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Speaker 1: It has been a busy weekend when it comes to crime.

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Speaker 1: By the look of things, A woman allegedly murdered at

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Speaker 1: the hands of a man who police say breached a

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Speaker 1: domestic violence order. The Chief Minister, Evil Laula joins me

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Speaker 1: in the studio. Good morning to your Chief Minister. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning. Now, as I

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned that someone who is allegedly on a

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Speaker 1: domestic violence order has committed such a terrible crime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, horrific, shocking. Should not be happening. It should

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Speaker 2: not be happening in Northern Territory, should not be happening

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Speaker 2: in Australia. A terrible, terrible crime.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, my heart.

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Speaker 2: Goes out to the family. I think I read that

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Speaker 2: she'd come in from Maningrida to do some study or

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Speaker 2: something like that. So and I was in man Ingreda

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Speaker 2: for Monday and Tuesday last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: You just can't fathom it, just how that somebody could

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Speaker 2: be so cruel, nasty, disgusting behavior.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely shocking stuff. Now I know that in November

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the NTI Parliament did pass the Sentencing

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Speaker 1: and Other Legislation Amendment Bill. It removed compulsory jail time

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Speaker 1: minimums for assault, drug offenses and breaches of domestic violence

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Speaker 1: orders that sentencing. The sentencing reforms had promised the delivery

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Speaker 1: of on in community rehabilitation programs, with Chancey Paike's office

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Speaker 1: assuring that drug and alcohol, domestic violence and other enforced

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Speaker 1: in the community. Now, I don't profess to know the

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Speaker 1: ins and outs of the case on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what the situation is. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But what I do want to know is do you

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Speaker 1: believe that this move towards you know, or away from

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Speaker 1: I should say some of that mandatory minimum sentencing is

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Speaker 1: the right path. When then we've got a situation like

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Speaker 3: So a couple of things here.

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Speaker 2: First of all, removal of the mandatory is actually a

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Speaker 2: had to set sentence. What we need to do is

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Speaker 2: make sure that these people go before the courts and

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Speaker 2: then they look at the incidents or the incidences in

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Speaker 2: of it just going you've got five days because you've

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Speaker 2: done DV, they actually need to be before the courts

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Speaker 2: done worse than that or more or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: or recurrent and you get why, or you have had

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Speaker 2: a continuous record of this, you'll get that. So that

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Speaker 2: provides that domestic violence it is a scourge in the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. And I've said this on the radio before.

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Speaker 2: Sixty five percent of our people in our prisons in

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Speaker 2: But when I was in Maningrida, as I said, for

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Speaker 2: are looking at what they can do. So they've already

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Speaker 2: got some funding around it, not the serious crimes, but

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Speaker 2: community or less intense. I'm not sure what the word is,

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Speaker 2: so if it's a young person that's broken into the

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Speaker 1: But I don't disagree it has to be there has

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Speaker 1: to be some serious change. And look, I don't disagree

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Speaker 3: Needs to be that in country people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've now got a situation over the weekend

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there absolutely know whether there would have been alcohol involved,

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Speaker 2: which is, as I said, the most difficult thing we

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Speaker 2: It's abhorrent behavior and it's one and this is why

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Speaker 2: I has gained my common sense approach to crime. This

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Speaker 2: is why we've invested five hundred and seventy million dollars

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Speaker 2: about sixty eight police who are going to be graduating

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Speaker 1: So about ten youths we're captured on CCTV stealing items

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Speaker 3: I mean, is what you're doing right now working?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's continuous, Katie. As I said, that's we've put

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Speaker 2: why we've bought in the curfew legislation. We can need

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Speaker 2: to continue to tighten the screws around how these.

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Speaker 3: Young people like last night, well.

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Speaker 2: In relation to the Northern suburbs. If we continue to

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Speaker 2: the call of the Commissioner of Police. I'm meeting with

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Speaker 2: if you need to have a curfew in the northern suburbs,

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Speaker 2: because why are ten kids out on a Sunday night

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Speaker 2: And we've got nari Ar kit works really well with

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Speaker 2: and she'll be asking those questions as well.

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Speaker 3: Commissioner this morning, you're going to have.

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Speaker 2: A general conversation with the commission around along a lot

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Speaker 2: But that's what you asked me about a curfew. That's

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Speaker 2: one of the things that can be done. Why are

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Speaker 3: That's Christian I wanted.

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Speaker 1: To Honestly, it's at the point where it's where it's

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Speaker 2: I was thinking that, Katie, when you're talking like we

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Speaker 2: So that one around those young people, I want answers

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Speaker 2: getting ready for school rather than breaking and entering into

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous stuff.

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Speaker 1: It is ridiculous stuff, and it is and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's creating this feeling amongst the community where there are

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Speaker 1: not like it's not fair to everybody within the community,

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Speaker 1: but particularly to the kids that are doing the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely one hundred percent agree with you as I said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: the news this morning should be should be talking about

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Speaker 2: all the good things that happened over the weekend in Darwen,

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Speaker 2: instead of talking about these specifically.

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunately not the only thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a woman was apparently rushed to hospital after

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Speaker 1: being attacked with a machete in Gray as well. That's woeful.

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Speaker 1: It's just woeful stuff. We've all had a gutfull of

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Speaker 1: it is what your government's doing enough though.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's as I said, Katie, that's why we've investing

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Speaker 2: solidly into police, so we'll see more police on the beat. June.

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Speaker 2: I think, as I just said, sixty eight more cops

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Speaker 2: out there. So that's what you need to do. Keep

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Speaker 2: investing in police, but also the long term things, and

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Speaker 2: that is the long term around education. A million, sorry,

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars more invested in education. We need to

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Speaker 2: we can't have generations of families that aren't getting up

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Speaker 2: We need to have that. That is a fact.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, then I want to move along slightly. The

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy was last week forced

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Speaker 1: to admit that he had unintentionally misled the public when

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Speaker 1: he denied knowing about racist towards given out by the

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister, do you continue to support the police commissioner?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, one hundred percent. I support the police commissioner. He's

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Speaker 2: issue of racism is one that he's been very open about.

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Speaker 2: He wants to stamp out racism. But now every organization

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Speaker 2: it is tough to deal with racism in the Northern

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Speaker 2: out racism. He's talked about making sure that the police

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Speaker 2: the commissioner. He's doing a damn good job in tough,

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Speaker 1: Interestingly, on Friday, the Anti Discrimination Commissioner issued a statement

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Speaker 1: saying that he has been approached by the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: to undertake a racism review. However, for the past few

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Speaker 1: months that he's been in negotiations with Chancey Pake's department

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Speaker 1: as well as the Minister for Police concerning the necessary

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Speaker 1: resources to conduct such a review. Now, the Commissioner says

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Speaker 1: that to date the funding put to the Anti Discrimination

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Speaker 1: Commission doesn't stretch to enable the setup of a designated

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Speaker 1: full cycle. Has any funding been provided.

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Speaker 2: So there has been conversations since May, so the Attorney

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Speaker 2: General has had conversations with the Anti Discrimination Commission and

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Speaker 2: Attorney Generals and Justice have allocated one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, so one hundred and seventy thousand dollars to

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Speaker 2: Antidiscrimination Commission to do the review of the Anti Police

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Speaker 2: So there is money there, There is money on the

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Speaker 2: table to do that. You know, if there is and

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Speaker 2: I mean whether the Anti Discrimination Commissioner thinks that's not enough.

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Speaker 2: They're the things between the agency and anti discrimination. So

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Speaker 2: there is one hundred and seventy thousand that has been

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Speaker 2: put forward to do a review of police. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I did hear you saying about the five hundred centillion.

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Speaker 2: That five hundred and seventy million is for operational It's

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Speaker 2: it's a recommendation eighteen. You can have a look at that.

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Speaker 2: You can't continue to Yes, you absolutely have to address

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Speaker 2: a recommendation around that. We've seen the Commission of Police

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Speaker 2: There's one hundred and seventy million dollars'll get on and

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Speaker 1: There's any discrimination Commissioner does say. Considering the government's budget

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Speaker 1: racism review with the Anti Discrimination Commission. I mean, do

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Speaker 2: Know, as I said, there is one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: but there is one hundred and seventy thousand dollars there. No,

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Speaker 1: And so you wouldn't support any of that money going

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm a bit old fashioned. I think

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Speaker 2: But as I said, you will have to continue to

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Speaker 2: Of course, nobody wants racism. We want and the police

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Speaker 1: Chief Minster, I know that you have just come from

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Speaker 3: What exactly is going to happen here?

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Speaker 2: So we need to have student accommodation in the CBD.

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Speaker 2: We all know that, and we've been pushing as a

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Speaker 2: But that's been really tough for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 2: it's about eight hundred square meters. CDU are in negotiations

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Speaker 2: It'll be about three hundred and fifty places. It won't

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Speaker 2: site will stay there, the trees will stay there. It's

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Speaker 2: So as our old planning minister, you have to keep

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Speaker 1: Some issues though at the moment aren't there with the

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, for those international students and for

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Speaker 1: let's speak frank, this building, like getting this up and

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Speaker 3: To take years. That's exactly right, So what do we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm the vice chancellor. Scott Bowman was there

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Speaker 2: So this is the this is a big step to

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Speaker 3: Said, so they'll manage it themselves.

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Speaker 1: Charles Dalen Uni like, it'll be there, it'll be their

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Speaker 2: It'll be their accommodation, but they'll have a provider there,

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Speaker 2: so it'll be there. Are people whose main job it

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Speaker 2: we've seen that with age care as well, so some businesses,

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Speaker 1: Look, there is so much to come off. I just

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Speaker 3: What do you make of those figures?

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Speaker 2: So this has been an issue for a little while.

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Speaker 2: When you're in government, you can put in things like this.

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Speaker 2: So we've got the Housing Accord who have been working

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Speaker 2: on what possible incentives that can be, what levers can

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Speaker 2: So that's one side. The second one is we have

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Speaker 1: Interest rate or do you think that part of that

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Speaker 2: It's all part of it, KDI. It isn't just one thing.

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Speaker 2: But if you're a young person and or anybody and

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Speaker 2: we've seen that volatility. I mean, yes, we're all predicting

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Speaker 1: Ben Carter has said that the level of new private

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Speaker 2: So I will point out to Ben, and he was

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Speaker 2: there is substantial, huge amounts of social and affordable housing

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Speaker 2: So we will be substantial amounts of housing built in the.

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Speaker 1: Non interc So although those new homes first homes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: We know the CLPS obviously made their announcement. Is it

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Speaker 2: So I probably didn't finish that the thought that I

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Speaker 2: have that part of their work is to look at

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Speaker 2: looking at is around incentives, so incentives, land release. They

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Speaker 2: provide that information to government and then we'll go from there.

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Speaker 2: So when you're in government, Katie, As you know, you

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Speaker 2: can't just you just can't make things up. And we've

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Speaker 2: costings probably around two hundred and twenty million dollars, but

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Speaker 2: they actually over the probably the forward estimates. But any

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Speaker 1: If you have got the construction industry sort of screaming

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Speaker 2: You also have to listen to well, Katie, the economy

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, a lot of people listening may not

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Speaker 1: we're all hopeful, we're definitely all hopeful that some of

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Speaker 2: But there are a lots of other major projects like

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Speaker 2: the Bross so that has that is well and truly underway.

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Speaker 2: So projects have got off the ground Katie. And as

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Speaker 2: you said, the fact, you can have a look at

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Speaker 2: the budget paper. So I know some people want to

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Speaker 2: talk down the economy.

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Speaker 1: But the papers show that we're eleven billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: debt though as well, so there is work that needs

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Speaker 1: to be done, Okatie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Debt and a deficit two different things. We've put

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Speaker 2: a large amount of money into infrastructure, so there's about

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Speaker 2: a four point think four point four billion dollar program

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Speaker 2: around infrastructure. So there is a lot of money, government

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Speaker 2: money going into infrastructure. I think if you talked to

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in the construction industry, large construction industry,

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Speaker 2: they will tell you how busy they are. Plenty of

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Speaker 2: people are very very busy in the Northern Territory around

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Speaker 2: private housing. Absolutely, we know that there needs to be

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Speaker 2: more builds. But it is not just one thing, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It is a number of things. And one of those

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Speaker 2: is around banks loaning money young people or people being

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Speaker 2: feeling like they feel confident to actually invest and build

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Speaker 2: a home. So there are many, many factors. But I

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Speaker 2: can tell you the data shows GSP is two point

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Speaker 2: three percent in the territory.

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Speaker 1: Look really quick one because we do need to wrap

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Speaker 1: up I understand that the ICAC commissioner is currently on leave.

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Speaker 3: Do we know why?

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Speaker 2: So there are a number of allegations and I think

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Speaker 2: we saw that, and so the KAQ Commissioner sent some

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Speaker 2: information to me. That was Monday last week. There were

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Speaker 2: questions asks by a media outlet. I referred that to

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Speaker 2: the IKAQ inspector and the i CAAQ in inspector is investigating.

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Speaker 2: But the KAC Commissioner is on leave. But that's I

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Speaker 2: think he's on leave just and that's not related to

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Speaker 2: that specifically. But as I said, I have the KAC

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Speaker 2: Commissioner to investigate the allegations. But you know, no politician

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Speaker 2: of you know, any color can It's not our job.

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Speaker 2: I don't control the KAC Commissioner. I don't hire or

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Speaker 2: fire the IKAT Commissioner. I'm at absolute arm's length around that,

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Speaker 2: and that's the way it should be. You know, the

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Speaker 2: IKAT Commissioner can investigate me investigat gate government. I can't

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Speaker 2: have any say or anything over the work of the

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Speaker 2: KAC commissioner.

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Speaker 3: But so the inspector is now taking.

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Speaker 2: Inspectors a person that will investigate allegations. And as I said,

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Speaker 2: it was the KAC Commissioner that provided me with those allegations.

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Speaker 2: And then I wrote to the KAQ Inspector to do

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Speaker 2: to do any investigation from.

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Speaker 3: Your understanding on leave separately.

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Speaker 2: To that, Yes he's taken some leave.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chief Minister, will leave it there. Thank you as

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Speaker 1: always busy morning. Thank you, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Tom