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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to furiously fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the pod. Today we have Shane

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Speaker 1: deleah On. He's a chef, author, TV host. He owns

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Speaker 1: a plethora of restaurants. He set up Provodore during COVID,

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Speaker 1: which brings meals restaurant favorite meals two people in the

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Speaker 1: comfort of their own home. And he just is a

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Speaker 1: really awesome human being, not to mention has impeccable sneaker

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Speaker 1: style as well. You will hear his honest passion and

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Speaker 1: guts and just his amazing work ethic in this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Can I also preface to record this podcast. I was

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Speaker 1: in Melbourne for a very short amount of time and

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Speaker 1: he met me at my dad's that clinic at eight

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Speaker 1: am on a Sunday morning. This guy has got so

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Speaker 1: much gumption. He's the real deal. He is what you

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Speaker 1: see is what you get. Kind of persons. So I

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Speaker 1: hope you love this, Epp. I walked away so inspired,

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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 2: Hope you do too.

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Speaker 1: Shanelier, I've been looking forward to this moment for quite

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Speaker 1: some time because we have known each other for a while.

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Speaker 3: I feel, yeah, we've kind of grown up around the

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Speaker 3: same hood.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, I feel like, okay, so amazing

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Speaker 1: chef author. I googled how many restaurants do we have

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Speaker 1: going on at the moment. There's a lot. There's Maha

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Speaker 1: Maha East, Maha.

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Speaker 2: Baba, and there's middle Ground. At the airport, Melbourne Airport,

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Speaker 2: I saw.

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Speaker 1: Your beautiful big It's like, oh, you've got a whole

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Speaker 1: wall plastered in Melbourne Airport.

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Speaker 2: It's a good billboard, isn't it. It's like, welcome to Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Have a look at this wog. We're opening aig and

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Speaker 2: other viggie smalls. We used to have a couple of

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Speaker 2: them and I shut them down for a bit because

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Speaker 2: it wasn't I wasn't really feeling it anymore. But there's

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Speaker 2: been an opportunity to open another one, and I think

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Speaker 2: we're going to go pretty hard.

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Speaker 1: So good and okay, there's so many other things that

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Speaker 1: have been born out of COVID for you as well,

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Speaker 1: that's really exciting. So I cannot wait to deep dive

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Speaker 1: and get into this. But I loved learning about your

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Speaker 1: kind of like your so I said this rightful out

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Speaker 1: your work ethic, but that it is born from your parents.

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Speaker 1: So your dad came to Australia. Did you turn eighteen

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Speaker 1: on the boat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, you've done some research.

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Speaker 1: And then worked at Dunlop right, but is this true?

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Speaker 1: So your dad would work during the day tag team,

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Speaker 1: and then your mum would go work in the evening.

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Speaker 2: Is that Yeah, So mum would work at Medibank Private

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Speaker 2: a tag team. Mum would come hand over with my

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Speaker 2: was you know, you had to work like you know

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Speaker 2: that dad came here for the chance to work that hard.

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Speaker 1: And I heard you say in interviews like he came here.

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Speaker 1: He was like I'm going to be Aussie. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: He really wanted, like Dad wasn't one of those people

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Speaker 1: How cool was that?

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Speaker 2: It was cool? Like it was really cool. So we

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Speaker 2: never like we've always felt like Dad experienced a lot

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Speaker 2: as equals as with everyone else. So it was good.

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Speaker 1: Is it true? As a kid, you were like, didn't

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Speaker 2: Because he grew up in an area, you know, in

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Speaker 2: So I just thought we were the majority, not the minority.

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Speaker 1: So you've learned this amazing work ethic and I think

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Speaker 1: I listened to you, but your dad was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So mum's got some family in the States and

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Speaker 2: really wanted to show us that there's a bigger world

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Speaker 2: out there apart from little Dee Park that we grew

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Speaker 2: up in. And before you made any sort of real,

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Speaker 2: be or what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: That you actually see that there's a world around you.

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Speaker 1: What a gift?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the best. And we only went on one holiday, right,

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Speaker 2: Like we went on to Queensland and like once or twice,

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Speaker 3: Was in back of the Statesman and ultim Madura.

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Speaker 1: But it's not uncommon to me. OSSI's like we're similar

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Speaker 1: so what a gift for your parents to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be gye opener for us.

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Speaker 1: So sixteen, you drop out of school. Yeah, right, And

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Speaker 1: I say I have a theory about why you became

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Speaker 3: Car, It's Sunday, It's my Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Car, very beautiful. You also have an incredible sneaker collection,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we've I feel like we've bonded over

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Speaker 1: I love automobiles, I love I think you're in like

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Speaker 1: fashion and textures and textiles, and then I love like food.

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Speaker 1: But I've heard you say, I think what the magic

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Speaker 2: That well, you've done so much research on me.

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Speaker 1: I'm virgo indeed, would you say if you look back now,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's a real creative expression, like and

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Speaker 2: get instant gratifications when you cook for somebody and you

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Speaker 2: give it to them, they eat it like you can.

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Speaker 2: You can sense straight away if they're enjoying or they're not.

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Speaker 2: that because I mean I grew up amongst uncles and

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Speaker 2: was nothing more warm than when your grandparents would cook

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Speaker 2: straight away, right Yeah. So I think that's what kind

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Speaker 1: Food, and that's what food is to me. I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a nutritionist, but like I always say to people,

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Speaker 1: as nutritionis, I was like, you need to remember, yeah,

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Speaker 1: food is here to nourish you, but it's also here

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Speaker 1: to celebrate love and connect. And there's this other bit that,

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Speaker 2: I said, right now, my wife's down at the Moonei

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Speaker 2: a bodybuilding competition and he's such an inspiration. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the sacrifice and all that that they go through, but

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Speaker 2: he longs for his the opportunity to sit with friends

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Speaker 2: said him text last night, I say, hey, mate, I

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Speaker 2: luck tonight. You know, good luck. I hope you win.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, great. I said, well, as soon

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Speaker 2: as you're done, I said, let's have a dinner at

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Speaker 2: my house and not cooked for you. And he's like,

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Speaker 2: oh that tonight. As I was leaving the cover here,

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Speaker 2: I said to my daughter, I bought some beef this week.

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, when the sun's out, we have barbecue

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Speaker 2: I said, hey, tonight I'm going to put some steak

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Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: So good. It's that connection that like, and I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember my grandmother you live here and Impresston,

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Speaker 1: It takes a bad Her house is so good, that's what.

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Speaker 1: can remember the exact ants like biscuit that my grandma

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Speaker 1: I'm probably if I'm telling me, if I'm saying that

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Speaker 2: Well, we didn't even have a I think we had

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Speaker 2: a shitty old computer. I mean it wasn't even old

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Speaker 2: letter to every five star in the in the Victoria. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just pleading for a job, like I was happy just

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Speaker 2: My dad wasn't gona let me leave school without an apprenticeship,

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Speaker 3: So I had to find the apprenticeship.

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Speaker 2: So I got knocked back from every single, every single

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Speaker 2: five stars, and you know, you don't have experience. They's

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Speaker 2: supposed to get experience. I'm sixteen years old. But eventually

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Speaker 2: I found one, and I wasn't in a five stars,

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Speaker 2: in a four star. And it's just the strength of relationship.

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Speaker 2: I think my mum was working with the exec chef's

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Speaker 2: wife and they had an opportunity and I took it.

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Speaker 1: And then okay, so I know I'm jumping around ps

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Speaker 1: that's what I love. And now that so you've got

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Speaker 1: these incredible restaurants. By the way, I've I have enjoyed

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Speaker 1: some of your creations on quite a few occasions. When

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Speaker 1: got a think about when I've been in Chaine's food

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Speaker 1: we go here, and you got to like g up

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00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: a bit. And I definitely have that. I agree with you,

435
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: Like it's beautiful to convey a short story. And I

436
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,160
Speaker 1: always say a book's a beautiful way to like create

437
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 1: something tactile to connect with people. But you've got to

438
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,679
Speaker 1: be it's a different mindset, like you've got to click

439
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: into this, like and yes, it's beautiful and creative because

440
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: it's got your recipes and whatnot in and it's talking

441
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 1: about your journey, but there's a there's an element of

442
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 1: it that almost feels like scientific because you're editing or

443
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 1: you're changing a word or punctuation or like changing something

444
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 1: by a certain amount of mill leats. Did you get

445
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: your recipes all sent away into a standing Yeah, but it.

446
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: Does drain yet drains a shity.

447
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: You're writing a book full on right, you finish at

448
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: the end of it going in the lie down.

449
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: One hundred thank god.

450
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: Look as the mental stress of focusing for that long.

451
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 2: You want to get all this stuff out and your

452
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,479
Speaker 2: mind's racing it a million miles now, But to actually

453
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 2: focus and put it on the paper for a normal person,

454
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: it's hard, especially if.

455
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: Your brains are messed up like mine.

456
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's you have to really focus that

457
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: it's straining, and to be a lot of times I

458
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 2: start and I'm just like I can't do it, and

459
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,959
Speaker 2: just walk away and do something else and come back

460
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: to a life.

461
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'd have to do that too, or I

462
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: have to figure out Like I was always better in

463
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: mornings and then like by two three pm, I'd be

464
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 1: like I have to do something more either physical or

465
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: creative to kind of like get the mindset back. It's

466
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: so weird. Our brains are incredible, I have to ask

467
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: Western Bulldog's ambassador.

468
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like I love the club. I mean

469
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 2: the sense of inclusion, camaraderie, you know, and you have

470
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: to have a tribe, right, I mean that's my tribe.

471
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: And you grew up. Yes, that makes sense.

472
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: And it's badge of honor. You know. All the hard

473
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: times make it more real.

474
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: So the day I was born, my dad missed a

475
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: prelim final for the Bombers, so we're a Bomber's family

476
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: and to this day he's like, I missed the prelim

477
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 1: final for your birth, but two weeks later we won

478
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: the grand final, so I was like, Dad, that makes

479
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: up for it, mate, you got to go to it.

480
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, my mum famously says, like, you guys were indoctrinated,

481
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: like there was no option. You had to be the

482
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: Mighty Dons all the way. So I've seen you be

483
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: so proud about being an ambassador for one of the

484
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: best things.

485
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: Like I've got a couple of bass of the roles

486
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: and I love them all. But I mean, the Bulldogs

487
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: are such a special connection that you know, I'd never

488
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: ask anything from the club, and I'd give everything for them.

489
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: So I think this is also your personality. I think

490
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: you work super hard and then you value other people

491
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: that have that same same value system, and it's a

492
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: testament to your success. So I do want to ask

493
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: about how Provatore came about and Maha go as well.

494
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: Was that all? Was that all basically as a result

495
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: of all the crazy lockdowns in Melbourne?

496
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the restaurants were closed, right, And I

497
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,239
Speaker 2: remember sitting with Maha, my wife Maha at home, just

498
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: on the couch, Goan, and we were about to start building.

499
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: We've bought another block Commander and he were about to

500
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: start building, and I said, we can't build this house.

501
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't even know if we're going

502
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: to be able to keep this house all the businesses.

503
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,239
Speaker 3: I reckon we're done. She's like, what do you mean?

504
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 2: I said, fucking we're closed, and I don't know how

505
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: long we're going to be closed for. And we were

506
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: really really scared, Like I thought, Okay, we're gonna have

507
00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: to sell everything, and not just being you know, you know, unsensible,

508
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: but I thought that we were really done. I thought

509
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: were already done, so I said, look, let's I had

510
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: a couple of my staff members and I said him, look,

511
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: let's let's sap a little shopify website. We'll call it

512
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Maha at Home or mahart Goo or whatever, and we'll

513
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: sort of see how it goes. And if we can

514
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: do sort of twenty grand thirty grand a week, it's

515
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: probably enough to pay some of the stuff. Something.

516
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: This is not before because you shut before job keeper.

517
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah for all that you were ahead of everyone.

518
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, exactly, And I was that was a

519
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: huge responsibility for me. I thought, Okay, if I'm going

520
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: to close down, I need to provide some revenue for

521
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: these people because they're not going to have any money.

522
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 2: So I really wanted to find a way to do something.

523
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: And it just went really well, like when game buses

524
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: from doing twenty, I think we did fifty to first week,

525
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: and then eighty the second week, and then it was

526
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: in the hundreds, and I going, wow, this is actually

527
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: doing more money than what we did in the restaurant.

528
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: And then I reached out to my community and like

529
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: I got a friend of mine, two friends of mine,

530
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 2: Jason Whitett and Sam Salter, who owned a business called

531
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: Marketplace West and some it was boys and they do

532
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: marketplaces and they said, mate, you've got a business. It's

533
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: bigger than just the shopify. So you could have a

534
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: legitimate marketplace here and it's big.

535
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Provador was born and which I got to taste the

536
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: deliciousness of and it was so good. And also with Providor,

537
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: this is what's really cool about it. You've allowed so

538
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: many other businesses to thrive.

539
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: As a result, it's been not been able to say

540
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: yes to everyone. Yeah, because you want you want to

541
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: help everyone, and but you also need to have curate.

542
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: It's about a community of like minded brands. You know,

543
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: like a customer, a customer now comes to Providor because

544
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: they trust Provador must be trust in every relationship that

545
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: should be trust, right, Yeah, if they come to provad Or,

546
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: they trust that we have curated this group of brands

547
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: and they all stand for something. So if you if

548
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 2: your brand doesn't stand for that, well then you can't

549
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: be a part of it because the customers buying from us.

550
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you've said that your

551
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: businesses are kind of like old school business, but not old

552
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: school business business in that like you know, you had

553
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: a huge email database before any of COVID happened, and

554
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: you would know, like you'd know your clients, like you'd

555
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: know their jobs, you'd know where they were, all their names,

556
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: like which is proper old like og business? I think

557
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: in hospital?

558
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, Well, it used to be a big fat

559
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: book on the front really where you'd have everybody's name

560
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 2: and number before you had like you know, email and

561
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: all that stuff, just to be right down the name,

562
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: write down the number, you know, birthday, anniversary, and you'd

563
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 2: have to remember everybody because you didn't have a database

564
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: on them. You just had that name and number, so

565
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: you had to build a relationship with them. I love that,

566
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: understand h How's how's Mary going? Great? You know, you know,

567
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: how's John and catve? They you know, how's school going?

568
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: I said? Birthday soon? Isn't it that we're about to

569
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: employ a girl, Grace Her parents have been friends and

570
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: customers at the restaurant for thirteen years. I remember coming

571
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: in which was like, you know, fourteen, she had a

572
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: sixteenth they're her eighteenth at the restaurant.

573
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: She's now nineteen. She's about to start working with us.

574
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing, and that's the best right, and again

575
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: you've said this, but that's the trust that you've built

576
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: and the loyalty as well.

577
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: I mean, and they invited us to their home for

578
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: dinner a couple of days ago, which was so nice. Yeah,

579
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: And like you know, for her father and she's a

580
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: beautiful young lady. Yeah, but for him to entrust her

581
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: well being in safety with us, that she's going to

582
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: come work with us and work in our venue, like

583
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: that's that means a lot.

584
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: That means a lot.

585
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: It's such a good You've got such good value system.

586
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: I think I want to ask about the Moleskin diaries

587
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: because I'm a bit of a Moleskin fan, like I

588
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: literally and I'm the same. I call them manifestos, so

589
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: like I've just got it, and I've got piles of it.

590
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: Now I've got one up with all your details on

591
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: it today. But I love the way you've talked about them.

592
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: But can you share what you use yours for? And

593
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: how many do you think you've got?

594
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: I've got heaps. I don't know.

595
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: I mean they probably punched with a couple of two

596
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: or three years.

597
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just used.

598
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: Them as a chance to get my brain dump. Yeah,

599
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: also to get my expression out. Sometimes if there's pissing

600
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: me off, I can just and it's on a journal.

601
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm not like writing on today Mary pissed me off.

602
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: I just just get it all down. And it also

603
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: keeps me, holds me to account because I'm moving a

604
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: million miles an hour. I'm not very structured, so I

605
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: need something where I can just refer back to, gosh it,

606
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: I didn't do that. I didn't do that, but that

607
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: they become sort of my my trusted advisor.

608
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: Right do you ever put if you get an inspiration

609
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: for an idea or.

610
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: I skriggle down menus in there, I sketch dishes because

611
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: sometimes you can visualize a dish and you can write down.

612
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: You can write down how you want it to taste

613
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: and the garnishes, but sometimes you have to draw it.

614
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: And I'm sketching is terrible. So I don't expect this

615
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: like I'm not having paso, like they're really stick figure sketches.

616
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: But for me, that makes sense. I've got it out.

617
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: At least if I've got it out, then I haven't

618
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: forgotten that it's there, and I can refer back and

619
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: that that little sketch will trigger the memory again. Oh yeah, shit,

620
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that. That's why I wanted that

621
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: source because it was going to end up being like that.

622
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Okay, I get it now because I've had another mate

623
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: on this pod. His name's Guy Turland, and he set

624
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: up Bondo Harvest in Sydney and he always I've done

625
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: we've filmed YouTube stuff together as well, and he's like,

626
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: everyone eats with their eyes first.

627
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, and in everything.

628
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: You didn't see someone down the street if they're attractive, Yeah,

629
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: I can smell them or see them. You know, it's

630
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: not because you could, you know, it's because they can

631
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: hear him or maybe I mean your voice is pretty unique.

632
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's so it's

633
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: so fascinating because I think as a consumer it has

634
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: taken that bit for granted. And I actually remember you

635
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: and I were sitting next to each other when we

636
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: were doing this like to a thing, and they put

637
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: this breakfast They didn't look that phenomenal in front of us,

638
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: and you leaned over and you turned it round to

639
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: how it should have been placed, like where the eggs

640
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: should have been faced or something, and I was like,

641
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I I don't know if that

642
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: looks very good and you're like, I'm not eating it,

643
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: and we both just sat there and you made me.

644
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: Usually like, because I'm a bit of a people pleaser,

645
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: I would have been like, oh no, I can't be rude,

646
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: and you were like, no, no, no. If I'm gonna eat something,

647
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: I gonna eat something delicious, you know, you know.

648
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: And it doesn't like I would say, if we're going

649
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: to eat something, I want to eat something good, like

650
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: oh it is it healthier? But no, it doesn't have

651
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: to be healthy. I'm I can eat a cheeseburger like

652
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me, but I wanted to actually taste good. Yeah,

653
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: otherwise what is the point wasting my time?

654
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just yeah, I've nerded out and got some

655
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,239
Speaker 1: quotes that you've said that I frigging love that, Like

656
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: so this I love. You don't need to push me

657
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: through the door, just crack it open and I'll do

658
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: the rest. And I think that was in a reference

659
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: to like getting that first the fall Star Hotel, getting

660
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: that first bit of opportunity, but you could that's.

661
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: Through everything I've always said. I say that to everyone.

662
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, they're like you don't have to

663
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: do things for me, don't I mean, don't you have

664
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: to do stuff? You know what you can do to me.

665
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Just be truthful, be honest, you know, do what you do,

666
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: what you say you're gonna do. That's great. But just

667
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: if you say you're going to do something, just just

668
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: give me the opportunity, because then it's on me. I

669
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: don't need you because if you do it for me,

670
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: it was never mine.

671
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: No, totally, never mind, I totally agree with you. I

672
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: always say, give me the chance and then I'll run

673
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: with it.

674
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: I can be sucking up or if it doesn't work,

675
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: if you don't win, whatever, But I always I always

676
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: know that every night when I put my head on

677
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: my pillow, and I mean I'm not I'm a religious person,

678
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: but I'm not a religious guy, but I say I

679
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: pray every night. It's a chance for me to just

680
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: reflect and sort of just have a look what's happened

681
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: on the day, give thanks, and you know, hope for

682
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: better clarity tomorrow. But I know when I put my

683
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: head down that I have done the most I can

684
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: do in that day. Like and if I fuck up

685
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: and I don't get where I need to be, it's

686
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: not because I wasn't trying hard enough, because I wasn't

687
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: good enough. And if I wasn't good enough, that's fine.

688
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I can accept that and you can skill up and

689
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: you can work harder work on it.

690
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: But if it's because I didn't push hard enough, it's

691
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: fully on me and I'm not letting it go.

692
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I love that, but you'll work at it. Can we

693
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: just like full disclosure here, we're recording on a Sunday morning.

694
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: You have I'm in Melbourne for a limited time and

695
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: you're like, yep, I can do it on Sunday morning.

696
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my goodness. And I was visiting

697
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: my mum in Daylesford yesterday and she's like, oh, who

698
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: are you invioing this week? And I was like, I've

699
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: got Shane to my morning. She's like on a Sunday.

700
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: She's like, I love that. What a legend. She's also

701
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: into like chasing your dreams and working very hard, and

702
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: I just it's very It's very rare. And that's one

703
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: thing I really love about Americans because they'll work on

704
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: any day of the week and it doesn't there's clock

705
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: offers like once the work's done, you know, And I

706
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: feel like you've got that same mentality.

707
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, once it works, done or when I mean,

708
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: sometimes you need to set barriers. Yeah, but I don't

709
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: think it should be defined by a weekend or it's

710
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: five o'clock or Yeah, that's just bullshit. That's other people's standards, totally.

711
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: That's what other people want to live their life by.

712
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: And they're happy to live in their little bubble and

713
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: that's cool, and they're happy to achieve what they want

714
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: to achieve. That's fine, But that's not me, you know,

715
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: So that's I'll live to my rules.

716
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: My second quote of yours, I love. I don't get ready,

717
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I stay ready.

718
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: That's a boxing one. Yeah, that's true. You have to.

719
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: If you're getting ready for.

720
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: Something, you're already losing, right, you're already missing opportunities because

721
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: you're fighting every day. Right, You've got fights every day,

722
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: every minute. And I don't mean that in the aggressive time. Right,

723
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Like you've got challenges. Yeah, if you're not ready for

724
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: the challenge, you're probably going to fail. You know, you're

725
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: probably going to fail. So it's you have to stay ready,

726
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 2: and that's tiring. You know, you have to stay alert,

727
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 2: stay open. Mind has to be open. Your heart has

728
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: to be open. But all those things have to be open.

729
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: You have to be ready and sometimes they're not, but

730
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: at least have them have the goal that you're ready.

731
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm just going to be like I

732
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: feel like I need to get all these little life

733
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Shane little mantras and be like that one that. Okay,

734
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: so we've as I was landing in Melbourne, as you know,

735
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: I saw your beautiful face as I landed. What is next?

736
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: So you're opening when.

737
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: Smalls will probably be February will be open. That's going

738
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: to be really fun. And I've got great partners there

739
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: at the airport that helped me operate that. So I mean,

740
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: that's going to be really good. But look, what's next?

741
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: Focused on profit or yeah? Look look, I mean I'm

742
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: fully focused on the restaurant. But I've done the work,

743
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: built the relationships, and I've got an amazing team there,

744
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: so they're really empowered and it's their restaurants like so

745
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: just as much as their minds. So I just need

746
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: to play my role. Now, my role there isn't the dictator.

747
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: It's just to motivate and and to create opportunity and

748
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: then those guys do it. Those guys do it. So

749
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm very focused on that. But I think Providor is

750
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: it is infancy and it could be something that can

751
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: change the world, right, Like it can be something special.

752
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: So building a team, building a culture, and then going

753
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: through the pain, because there's going to be some pain,

754
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some joy. But I'm not I'm not

755
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: stupid enough to think it's going to just be easy,

756
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: like I can roll in.

757
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Somebody said something about pain, and like, you don't get

758
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: that success without the pain, Like you would fully agree

759
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: with that.

760
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: Every day is sunny day. What's a sunny day? Right,

761
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: Like you have to go through this, you have to

762
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: go through the ship.

763
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: But I love people that say that because I think

764
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: social media the whole reasoness podcast exist because social media

765
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: is like whoa fun Like, yeah, here's my book is

766
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: this is like what about the rejections? What about the nose?

767
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: What about the for me? I've got like fifteen pilots,

768
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: none of them have been green lit, but like nobody

769
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: knows that. Everyone's like, you're killing it, and I'm like, yeah,

770
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: but I just failed at all these fifteen other things.

771
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: Well that it failed, They're not failed. They didn't achieve

772
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: what you probably wanted them to achieve at the time,

773
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: But when you look at them as a whole, they'll

774
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: get you where you want to be in the future.

775
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. When you look it's that Steve jobs quite

776
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: where you connect the dots when you look back and

777
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that happened because I needed to actually

778
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: skill up and learn that thing.

779
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, because otherwise you can't feel the joy later, right,

780
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: Like you have to. You have to. You have to

781
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: know the ship, Like you have to have your heart

782
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: broken before you can love someone, right, you have to,

783
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, like if if you're just in the cooking,

784
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: like if you're going to push yourself to the limit

785
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: where you you've never burned yourself.

786
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: When you burn yourself, you burn yourself hard.

787
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: So like you have to get those little burns, those

788
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: little cuts, you know, you have to make those mistakes.

789
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I could keep you order. One last thing I've

790
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: got to say, because I fully relate to Maha with this.

791
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: When you before you were just using the name for

792
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: the restaurant. Is it true that Maha was like, Hey,

793
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: MAHA's a really cool name. My boyfriend's and music producer.

794
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: And every time he's like doing a song or something.

795
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you thought about Lola or something to

796
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: do with Lola? Like it's a great name. It's like, okay,

797
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: haven't we just chill out Lola? But I love that

798
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: it landed with you, Like yeah, and.

799
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: I kind of like, I don't know, I've got I

800
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: tease people right like and I shouldn't, but I do

801
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: it because it creates a bit of vulnerability between both

802
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: you like they get a bit upset, yeah, which opens

803
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: them up. So then the next thing, if you say

804
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: it's nice and they're upset, they go, oh, hey, he's

805
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: not an arsehole. But like she was like, oh, Maha, Maha, maha,

806
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: and I'm like, nah, nah, you wish, you wish, no

807
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: no chance, and then I will.

808
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's actually probably not a bad name.

809
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful name, and it's so iconic. Like I

810
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: had a meeting earlier this morning and I told them

811
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: where that I was coming in for you. He was like,

812
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but MAHA's you know, like I blocks this

813
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: way and like just new straight away, like it's such.

814
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: A you know, and it sort of hit home. I

815
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: watched the news and it was a wrong context, but

816
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: there was a news a while ago with all the

817
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: protests have been going on in town, and the journalists

818
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: referred to as it's just three blocks from Maha and

819
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: I'm just.

820
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: A reference points for the s bloody protest.

821
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: This is amazing, Okay, my friend. Final couple of questions.

822
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: First of all, I think I've figured this out, but

823
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear it from you. What would you

824
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: say your like cornerstone values in people? Obviously vulnerability is

825
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: one of them.

826
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, trust, I think loyalty for me, they're really put

827
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: and people throw those away. Like trust and loyalty are

828
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: really important because loyalty is really hard. Yeah, Like, if

829
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: you've got a friend and you and they're loyal, you're

830
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: almost asking them sometimes to make decisions for your on

831
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: your behalf that are better for you than they are

832
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: for them. Not that I want that to happen. I

833
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: don't want, Like I don't want a staff member to

834
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: turn down a job because they've got a better job.

835
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: But you want the loyalty that they're actually going to

836
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: consider how you feel, yes, and consider the impact and

837
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: not just forget everything that you've done. Yeah, well that's loyalty. Yeah,

838
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: forget don't forget about all the shit that sacrifice the

839
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: pain just because something better has come up for you,

840
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: Like Lord is important, right, Like respects good. But I

841
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: think respect and loyalty and love all kind of tie

842
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: up together, yeah, if you can't have one without the other.

843
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: And I think just being just really truthful with people,

844
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, like it's okay to tell people stuff that

845
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: are only here, Yeah, it's okay. So it's actually all right,

846
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: especially if it's coming from a good place. And it's

847
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: okay to be a prick sometimes, Like you can be selfish,

848
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: that's fine, but then you consider the impact you're having

849
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: on the other person, and I think that you need

850
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 2: to be caring enough to then maybe address it later.

851
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: Like I can be a prick, and I know I

852
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: can be a prick, but then afterwards it doesn't sit

853
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: easy with me.

854
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: I like, funck, I shouldn't have done that.

855
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: You can own it too, but yeh own it, but

856
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: then actually resolve it, Yeah, totally resolve it, like hey, look,

857
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: even it's the next day. Look, I'm sorry about that.

858
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: And I know they probably can't, but you know what,

859
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: then they forget about the pain because you've actually been

860
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: vulnerable and you've said sorry.

861
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: And you move on the power of saying sorry, Like

862
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: if you're and it's a human, it's human to be like, hey,

863
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: I stuffed up, I've.

864
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: Take time to say sorry, A reactive sorry. Shit, it's

865
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: almost just as insulting.

866
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Totally agree. I feel like they tell to me when

867
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: you mean.

868
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: It, you know, like I don't want to hear it

869
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: just now. Yeah, tell me tomorrow and tell me the

870
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: day after.

871
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: So is it more like you belong on a TV screen?

872
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, serious, and I'm in this serious

873
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: the passion, the truth, the Lord, like all those all

874
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: those values. Is those values you just described to me,

875
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: like you're authentically yourself and that makes it easy for

876
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: me as a consumer to connect. I can connect to

877
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: you because I'm like, oh, he's being himself.

878
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't. Yeah, it's good for the consumer,

879
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: I think, for the average person, but it's not always

880
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: good for the organization because they want shit that sells,

881
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: and the truth doesn't always sell.

882
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I think in the long game it does, though. I

883
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: think in the short game, like if it's something little,

884
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: maybe not. But in the long game time.

885
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think so too, And

886
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: I suppose it's been the testament of our businesses and

887
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: my friendships that they send.

888
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: They stand the test of time.

889
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: Where you might shed some shit in the beginning, which

890
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: is fine, it probably actually helps, but at the time

891
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: it doesn't. You think, Oh, all these people don't like

892
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: me or I don't want to I like what I'm saying.

893
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: I've heard you even say, like at the start of

894
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: COVID you learned really quick, like real quick. Yeah, me too.

895
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, far right, like you. You're willing

896
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: to be a bit of addict to me because you've

897
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: got a different agenda. And I was like, whoa, I

898
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: thought we were buds.

899
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: And but also you see people like in their purest

900
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: I think, in those moments of stress and when things

901
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: are in turmoil, because you see how they react, and

902
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: you go, well, you're not as resilient as I thought

903
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: you were, and those kind of like not everybody in

904
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: my commune doesn't have to be like me. It's not

905
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 2: totally the opposite. I actually want people that aren't like me. Yeah,

906
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm happy to be me. Yeah, but when

907
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: you see people in their worst state, sometimes you question,

908
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: oh wow, maybe that's not the top of people. I

909
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: want to be.

910
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: Around one hundred and that's like a beautiful gift when

911
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: you learn that as well. That's like I interviewed this

912
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: amazing comedian just a few days ago called Urshela Carlson. Yeah, funny,

913
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: so funny. And we finished the podcast, but I hadn't

914
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: stopped recording because it was on Zoom, so to keep

915
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: the file, you let it just keep recording. And I

916
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, your management are great. I was like,

917
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: your team is incredible, and she's like yeah, She's like,

918
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: I just love min to everyone I work with is

919
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: a legend, you know. And I said, you got to

920
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: cut the dickheads and she was like, you got to

921
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: tell them to fuck off. And I was like so simple,

922
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: but like you do have to, like I think, and

923
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: that's what I for people listening to this. I think

924
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: to get to the level of success that you've got to, Yes,

925
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: you need me vulnerable, loyal, truthful and those things, but

926
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: you also need to be able to call bullshit as well.

927
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: But I mean not trying to. I'm not graad at

928
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: all the stuff that I believe in, Like, just because

929
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I believe in it and I'm aware of it, it doesn't

930
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 2: mean I'm great at it.

931
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: Like I know, I'm not great at everything.

932
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: But we're all learning, we're all evolving.

933
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: That's I find it hard to have some hard conversations,

934
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: like really really hard business ones. Personal ones easier. Yeah,

935
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: I find personal ones because it's just about you and

936
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: the other person and it's emotion. But when it's a

937
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: business related business conversation, sometimes hard to assert yourself. And

938
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: I've always been pretty confident, but it's hard to have

939
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: those hard conversations because there's a lot of shit that

940
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: can go wrong.

941
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you'll find probably egos, especially in hospitality,

942
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: I imagine, and.

943
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not just hospital The hospitality conversations are

944
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: probably the easier ones because it's rare and it's emotion

945
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: and you know, like you've got mutual respect at the table. Yeah,

946
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: you're confident in your skin. That's that's my Superman outfit

947
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: right off, in my chef's jacket on.

948
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 1: You can't touch me that Do you literally feel a change?

949
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: Can I tell you something? This isn't a good thing

950
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: people think of.

951
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: You know, if you ever want to get an all

952
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: access pass, worry about all the people you have to

953
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: suck up to and bullshit and get a viop. Just

954
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: put a fucking chef jacket on. You walk straight through.

955
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: You can beat Grandfrix, walk straight through security. None will

956
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: say nothing. You can go. Just put a chef jacket on.

957
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: Like I look at all those terrorist videos and they're

958
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: trying to get onto the plane. Just put a chef

959
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: jacket on. Say you're one of the caterers, you're on

960
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: Like it's and like, you know, even when I was single,

961
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: you know, like you go to a bar, you go

962
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: like it's your hard work. I have to get over yourself,

963
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: try to connect with someone, talk to them. Oh you know,

964
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: I can be in the restaurant with the chef shacket

965
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: on and I can be fucking Brad Pitt. It's like

966
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: no problem.

967
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: It's so especially in Melbourne as well. I feel like

968
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: it's Australia, but like there is there's a real celebrity

969
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: and I know, you know, like being called celebrity chef.

970
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: So I've done my homework, but there's a celebrity that

971
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: is attached to chefs here, especially if you're on television

972
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: or you've got books out there is like I don't

973
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: respond to that word either, Like if anyone ever says

974
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: that when I'm an interview, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

975
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: just a normal person that has a dream that they're

976
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: going after. That's all I That's what I would say

977
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: I am as a person, I think, but I get

978
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: it in Melbourn, especially here as well, like it's so celebrated.

979
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: We're the food capital, right, yeah, I think.

980
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean when I got into cooking, there was no

981
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: celebrity chef stuff, right, and no sort of there was

982
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: no big draw to becoming a chef.

983
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: So it was kind of weird and it still is

984
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: weird for me, but.

985
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: I own it and it gives me a great opportunity

986
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: to connect with people, especially being in the restaurant. Like

987
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: we had a couple in last night from Sydney I'd

988
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: never met, and they just kept making eyes at me

989
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: every time I went past, and I'm like, okay, I

990
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: have to go se how that is, Like, hey, you guys,

991
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: are you going? I just wanted to know that we're

992
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: loving this is. My wife's never dying here, this is

993
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: this is She just said this is her favorite restaurant

994
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: she's ever been to. And they weren't on the best

995
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: seat now, let me tell you. They were on the

996
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: corner of the couch. It was a ship out spot,

997
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: but it was nice to connect, you know. And I

998
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: went and grabed one of my books and I signed

999
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: it for it. I gave it her. I said, hey,

1000
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: look take We're not in Sydney, but take this with

1001
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: you to Cydney. And he's like, this is what I

1002
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: love about Melbourne hospitality. It's so real and it's like, well.

1003
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: Your whole your superpower is honestly, and I know the

1004
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: chef tagger, but it's you're real and like I've only

1005
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: for so long, I knew I could DM you on

1006
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: instad and be like, you know, can we can we

1007
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: do this? And You're like, yeah, can you send me

1008
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: a calendar invite? And I was like, I have no idea.

1009
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I asked that because I know that I

1010
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: won't do it and if I don't get it in

1011
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: my diary, if it's not in there, yeah it ain't happening.

1012
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was quite quickly. I was like, this address

1013
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: this time, this is my nuther.

1014
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: So thanks lucky you did because I didn't actually put

1015
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: it in my diary and I would have forgotten about

1016
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: it this morning.

1017
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: You are a legend. You are Thank you so much

1018
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: for jumping on this pod. I I've learned so much

1019
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: from you, and it's it's an honor really keep going.

1020
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: And you've got big dreams. I mean, it's it's it's

1021
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: intiration to us.

1022
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: Or are you on your Instagram jumping on the plane

1023
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: leaving it all behind and chasing a dream? I mean,

1024
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: people that takes big fucking nuts, and people don't understand

1025
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: how how scary that is and how much you've got

1026
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: to lose and how much you got to win. You

1027
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: have to you have to be willing to lose it

1028
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: all to win it all, right, So.

1029
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: One hundred percent I fully agree, and it's it is petrifying,

1030
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: but the flip side of that is like so exciting

1031
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: as well. You know, thank you, You're wonderful. Big love

1032
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: my friend.

1033
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1034
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1035
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1036
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

1037
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word

1038
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

1039
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and of

1040
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