1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: This is gem Nation with Jonesy and so Johnny Depp 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Amber Heard. 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Okay, guys, this is just the wildest story. So everybody 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: I know is suddenly a qualified lawyer because they've been 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: watching a very high profile court case unfold on TikTok, 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: which is the best source for anything, as we all know. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: So the defamation case between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: is literally playing out like a movie with a villain 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: and a hero. And I'm here to tell you why 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: that is not what life is actually like. So Depp 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: and Heard were married from twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen, 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: and then they're divorced, and Herd claims that Depp was 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 2: abusive throughout their relationship. In twenty eighteen, Depp argued that 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: Herd had actually abused him, and he unsuccessfully sued The 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: Sun for defamation. Now he's suing Herd for defamation in 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: Virginia after she wrote an op ed saying she was 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: a survivor of domestic violence. 18 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: She didn't name him, but everyone knew who she was 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: talking about exactly. 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: And the most bizarre thing has happened over the last 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: few weeks. The Internet has agreed on something and they've gone. 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: Johnny Depp is the victim. Amberhard is the perpetrator. She 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: is a lying psychopath. We've had a psychologist on the 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: stand who has just said she was faking PTSD. She 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: has borderline personality disorder. She is lying about all of this. 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: And there are edits of Johnny Depp kind of being 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a smart ass in court and how 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: funny he is, and everyone's really playing this out like 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: a movie, but of course it is not a movie, 30 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: although there are some very movieesque things, such as the 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: Pooh on the bed. Now do we feel about that Pooh? 32 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: Who did the Pooh was a pistol and boom? 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: Allegedly it was Well, Johnny Depp maintains it was Amberhard 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: and that there was Pooh on his bed, but she 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: says it was a prank. But I'm like, I don't know, 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: how do we do a prank. 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: With So she's still saying it was her, but she 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: did it as a. 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: I think she she says it's not her, it was 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: just a prank, but it was human Pooh, and that's 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: what's excusing. 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: And that's not even the only extreme thing in this story. 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: There's a chopped off finger and writing in Blood on 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: the Wall. Did he chop it off? Did she chop 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: it off by throwing something at him? There's the story 46 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: of that. She's been classified as pretty much a lesbian 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: who was just going married to him for fame. 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and tricking him, which is a great narrative to 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: have about sexuality, that you trick people. But she apparently. 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: My favorite story is the alleged threesome between Amber Heard, 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: Elon Musk and Kara Delavan. 52 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Then she went on to go out with Elon Musk 53 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: after their marriage breakup. 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: She did, and it just I love that there's like 55 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: a supporting cast. There's the main characters, and then we've 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: got Paul Bettany and then we've got Krai Delavy. I 57 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: just it's so much drama. 58 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: And the thing is, though, that we're only seeing his 59 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: side of the story at the moment, because this is 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: what happens in a court. You hear one side, then 61 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: you hear the other. We've only heard his It's not over, and. 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of people are missing. 63 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: They're watching the Johnny Depp thing and taking what he 64 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: says at face value and thinking she doesn't have a defense. 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: But it's not that she doesn't have a defense. It's 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: that she's not allowed to give her defense. Yet she's 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: going to from this week onwards. And I hope that 68 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: people listen really closely because what we know from the 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: time that Depth sued the Sun for defamation. He lost, 70 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: and the High Court found that the allegations made by 71 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: Herd were substantially true. And so look, I think that 72 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: what's happened here is you've got two people who have 73 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: probably done some bloody awful things to each other. But 74 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm a bit worried about the narrative that this paints. 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: If everybody's thinking that Johnny Depp is some. 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: Well that text and he sent to Paul Bettany about 77 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: Amber heard and I thought, I was that after the divorce. 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: This was when they were courting. It sounds like a 79 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: toxic relationship from the beginning. But is this narrative unfortunate 80 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: because it makes it very easy that people won't believe 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: women in asive relationship. But not every case is true. 82 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: But if it is true, we still have to hear it. 83 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: I think that that's what's happening is that it's been 84 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: used as this example of how the Me too movement 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: went too far and how there are women like Amber 86 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: Heard who are just going to manipulate it for their 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: own gain. And the fact is that if Johnny Depp 88 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: was a victim of domestic violence, which is very possible, 89 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: he's the exception, not the rule. And when you look 90 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: at his behavior, he is not a clear, uncomplicated victim 91 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: in this sense, because we know that he like he 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: is believed to have slapped her across the face, kicked 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: her in the back, thrown objects at her. Again the 94 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: text messages to me, I couldn't I had them and 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: I was like, I can't read them out. They're just 96 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: so disgusting and violent and the language that he uses. 97 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: I just think it's really fascinating that the Internet has 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: decided on this binary narrative when that's not the case. 99 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: And I also think he's a cheeky kind of character. 100 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly. We get a bit confused about the 101 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: characters people play versus the people they are, And I 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: think people are looking at this thinking it's a movie 103 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: and he's a charismatic guy on the stand, who's who's 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: poking a bit of fun at the whole courtroom, And 105 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at it thinking, mate, you're wasting everyone's time. 106 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: If you're not, you're in court because we're discussing Pooh 107 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: in court. Let's be really serious. I need to know 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: if this thresome happened. That's important to me, I know. 109 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: And why wasn't Johnny invited to that? 110 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: I know. I think that's what it's about. He's devastated. 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: It's too much. That would be if I was in 112 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: some sort of sex thing with Elon Musk, I'd say, right, 113 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: what's happened? 114 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: What have I done to myself? This is always a treat. 116 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you next with Jesse dressed 117 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: in identical outfits. 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: We will just when we make that happen.