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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Molly May's not so unique

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Speaker 1: baby name, Sophia Casha's podcast tops the charts, Lee document spark,

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Speaker 1: bankruptcy rumors for Christie Swaddling, and the new vanilla girl trend. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate

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Speaker 1: Torbert and I have been absolutely glued to Instagram waiting

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Speaker 1: for Mollie May's announcement about her baby. And we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit later, but I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about her latest vlog. It was her

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Speaker 1: vlog where she was packing a hospital bag and she

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Speaker 1: said this, I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To tell you something really really ridiculous and hormendously weird

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Speaker 2: and disgusting. I actually, I don't know if this is

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Speaker 2: too like actually to the Internet and a bit weird.

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Speaker 2: I actually no, I don't know. Okay, screw up gonna

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Speaker 2: say it. I tried to put my own nip in

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Speaker 2: my mouth. I actually, I actually my boobs are that

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Speaker 2: big now that it is actually possible. I actually tried

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Speaker 2: to breastfeed off myself the other day night. Am I

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Speaker 2: going to leave this in I'm gonna yeah, I am

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Speaker 2: excuw it. I don't even care.

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Speaker 1: I love that she was debating whether to keep this

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Speaker 1: in or not. This is why Molly May is so

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Speaker 1: successful on YouTube because of admissions like this. This admission

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Speaker 1: comes at a perfect time because we've been holding onto

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Speaker 1: a cracker's story. Now. A friend of mine told me

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Speaker 1: this story and I am interested to hear if any

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Speaker 1: of our Melbourne listeners have heard it, because it is

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Speaker 1: circulating at the moment, because it is that interesting. So basically,

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Speaker 1: my friend was invited to this wedding and the wedding

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Speaker 1: got called off because the bride caught the groom doing

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Speaker 1: something unimaginable with his mother. With his mother, yes, it's

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Speaker 1: not exactly what you think. So this bride on her

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Speaker 1: wedding day has walked in on the groom breastfeeding from

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Speaker 1: my mother. I see. My thoughts initially went to incest,

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Speaker 1: but for some reason, I'm even more rocked by the

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Speaker 1: fact that this thirty five year old man was breastfeeding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it poses a lot of questions because does the

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Speaker 1: dad know about it? Is the woman still producing milk? Like?

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Speaker 1: Is that even possible? Her age? She just sounds like

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Speaker 1: a Jerry Springer or Doctor Phield kind of story. Thing

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Speaker 1: is this guy obviously knows that it's weird because he's

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Speaker 1: gone to the lengths of hiding it from his fiance

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Speaker 1: do it on the day of the wedding as well?

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Speaker 1: Algie needed a bit of comfort. Yeah, it's bizarre. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine being a guest at this wedding? You know,

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Speaker 1: you're all dressed up, ready to go, and it's called

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Speaker 1: off and you're like why, and then the poor bride

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Speaker 1: having to explain to this poor couple. Apparently they are

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Speaker 1: in counseling at the moment, but can you imagine as

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Speaker 1: this bride having to go over to your in law's

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Speaker 1: And I wonder what this bride's relationship with her mother

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Speaker 1: in law was like, because there's all those mother in

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Speaker 1: law's out there. I think Amy Schumer explained it best,

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Speaker 1: but I want to fuck my son. Yeah, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the relationship was like. Is it bad

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Speaker 1: that my first thought was that Mummy Boys show? Remember

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Speaker 1: umbilical cord, and this is the next step from that.

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Speaker 1: So is this actually a dumpable offense? Of course I

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Speaker 1: the mum is no longer producing milk, because essentially it's

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Speaker 1: back with the block. A document claiming controversial fitness influencer

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Speaker 1: Christy Swadling is bankrupt has gone viral on social media. Amy,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us more? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: The document was first uploaded to forum tattle Life after

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Speaker 1: weeks of speculation online that Christy was bankrupt. So a

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Speaker 1: they pay for it. Well, it's on the public record.

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Speaker 1: So this document claims that Christy was declared bankrupt on

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Speaker 1: for Christy and her family that this is all playing

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Speaker 1: name Christie but spoke about a copycat influencer in one

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Speaker 1: So what are the reasons for her going bankrupt? Because

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Speaker 1: many people are questioning why Christy hasn't commented publicly on it,

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Speaker 1: but speculating maybe it's had something to do with the

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Speaker 1: it's still unclear. Well, I mean you would guess that

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Speaker 1: if her business has closed down. But I don't understand

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Speaker 1: how bankruptcy works because I assume when you go bankrupt

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Speaker 1: you can either enter into voluntary bankruptcy or it's possible

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Speaker 1: through a court process. The ramifications of bankruptcy are pretty

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Speaker 1: you also can't have any property in your name, and

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Speaker 1: That's obviously going to cost a lot of money. Do

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Speaker 1: what though, if you kept getting these questions and you

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Speaker 1: and just say this is laughable. Yah, do I look

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Speaker 1: like someone that is bankrupt currently? Do you guys think

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Speaker 1: a lot of brands off. In the same breath, it's

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Speaker 1: It also indicates that perhaps she doesn't have the following

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Speaker 1: Let's not kick it when she's down. No, but she hasn't.

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Speaker 1: But that makes you think, well, was her following genuine

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Speaker 1: I mean, the document looks extremely legitimate. It did look legit.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a big message for any influencer

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Speaker 3: These people that have followed me, If you followed me

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Speaker 1: we'd all heard it before in her interview with Mia

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Speaker 1: over where it's like it was too stunned to speak.

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Speaker 1: And then Indy wrote in the comments, I'm just shocked

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Speaker 1: that it's a coincidence because four months ago, when I

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Speaker 1: gave birth, I really thought I had hit the jackpot

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Speaker 1: in uniqueness. So I feel like she's almost referring that

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Speaker 1: Molly has stumbled across the name and copied it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. If I was Indie, i'd probably be glad.

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Speaker 1: I was just being pulled into this narrative because it

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Speaker 1: gives her presence online a bit of a push. She know.

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Speaker 1: What I also took from her comment is that it's

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Speaker 1: almost like people are trying to out unique one another

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Speaker 1: and it's a badge of honor if no one else

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Speaker 1: has that name, which I just find a bit stranged.

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Speaker 1: She should have gone with Mayo. Then what about Halo?

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Speaker 1: Because a number of weeks ago we reported on the

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Speaker 1: fact that fans were convinced that Molly May's baby name

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Speaker 1: Halo had been leap Yeah. And this was because an

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Speaker 1: interior designer linked to Molly shared a three D image

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Speaker 1: of a design of a nursery that they just completed,

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Speaker 1: and in the photo was a cloud wall and a

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Speaker 1: neon sign that said Halo. And for months of Molly's

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Speaker 1: pregnancy she'd be putting cloud emojis and everyone thought that

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Speaker 1: the name had something to do with clouds. Now, I

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Speaker 1: must point out that Molly's nursery that she posted the

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Speaker 1: other day has a very similar aesthetic to this design,

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Speaker 1: and there are these adorable cloud lights and of course

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Speaker 1: the neon sign. So it's confusing what the designer's motives

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Speaker 1: were for putting out that original image and whether they

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Speaker 1: did in fact design this room. Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: was to throw people off the scent of the name.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they had a little bit of fun

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Speaker 1: with that. Now. Molly's nursery also copped a bit of

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Speaker 1: criticism online, with users questioning why the room has no

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Speaker 1: color and any stimulating things for the baby to look at.

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Speaker 1: And I am biased when it comes to Molly. I

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Speaker 1: felt like saying, fuck off. It's an insane rum. But

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Speaker 1: babies can't even seen color until what like twelve weeks

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Speaker 1: old or something. I mean, don't hold me on that.

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Speaker 1: Mums are pointing out the fact that it's basically all

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Speaker 1: white this room, and the baby's going to vomit and shit.

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Speaker 1: I mean I do see that. I mean, my partner

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Speaker 1: was silly enough to buy a white bedspread the other day,

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Speaker 1: and our dog has got his muddy footprints all over it.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine a baby vomiting and pulling on that. Now,

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Speaker 1: there is a bit of controversy surrounding this announcement because

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Speaker 1: YouTuber and boxer Jake Paul accidentally broke the baby news

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Speaker 1: firstidently or purposely, well yes, we're not quite sure. So

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Speaker 1: for some context. On January twenty eighth, it was announced

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Speaker 1: that Jake and Tommy will be fighting each other in

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Speaker 1: late February in Saudi Arabia. Now there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of hype around this fight because Tommy pulled out of

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Speaker 1: a fight against Jake back in December twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: due to a broken rib and a chest infection. Now,

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Speaker 1: that fight was rescheduled for August last year, but Tommy

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Speaker 1: had to pull out again because he had issues with

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Speaker 1: his US visa. So Jake jumped on Twitter to announce

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Speaker 1: details about this new fight, and he wrote, Tommy has

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Speaker 1: no excuse now baby's born, money's massive, immigration, no issue.

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Speaker 1: So when he made this announcement, there had been a

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Speaker 1: week of radio silence on Molly's end, and a week

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Speaker 1: earlier she had uploaded a post implying that she was

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Speaker 1: reaching the end of her pregnancy. So it's clear that

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Speaker 1: Jake tried to make Tommy and Molly's announcement before them

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Speaker 1: to get under his skin. And I thought it was

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Speaker 1: quite funny because under Molly's post when she finally revealed

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Speaker 1: that the baby had been born, Jake wrote, just in

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Speaker 1: time to watch your dad get knocked out. Perhaps Tommy

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Speaker 1: was in on this though, because it only benefits him

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Speaker 1: to pump up this fight a little bit more. It's

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Speaker 1: not like they had released this news to New Idea

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Speaker 1: magazine or anything. They were just promoting it on their

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Speaker 1: own instagrams. I think they would have been pissed. Oh,

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Speaker 1: they would have been so pissed. As we've spoken about before,

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Speaker 1: weddings and children being born are massive milestones for anyone,

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Speaker 1: but for influences is even bigger because there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention that goes to their page, a lot of

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Speaker 1: extra sponsorship deals.

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Speaker 3: Today I learned something very new.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there is a new TikTok asthetics called the Vanilla

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Speaker 2: Girl aesthetic.

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Speaker 1: TikTok has a new girl trend for twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: and this time is called the Vanilla Girl aesthetic. Twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two was dominated by the cleaning girl aesthetic. So

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Speaker 1: I can't keep up. What is this new trend all about? Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to start off by describing what the vanilla

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Speaker 1: girl looks like. So she is someone who wears minimal makeup.

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Speaker 1: She keeps it very natural, fresh and pretty. I'm already

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Speaker 1: off the list. She also likes a curtain fringe, and

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Speaker 1: she's known for sweeping up her hair in a claw

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Speaker 1: clip or a laid back ponytail, and she gets around

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Speaker 1: in very easy going outfits that look very cozy. They

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Speaker 1: come in neutral colors like white, beige, cream, and of

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Speaker 1: course vanilla. So basically, any girl that's on my TikTok

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Speaker 1: feed that's got a lot of followers at the moment,

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Speaker 1: that's right. And the key takeaways here are that she's

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Speaker 1: very effortlessly gorgeous. She's also a whiz in the kitchen,

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Speaker 1: so she always has the smell of bake goods in

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Speaker 1: the air. She's someone that people will probably aspire to

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Speaker 1: be like. So this facade is fake essentially, It's just

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Speaker 1: a TikTok facade. I feel like this is what you

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Speaker 1: want to be Kate. Look, I do bake a lot,

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Speaker 1: but my house is definitely not ultra clean and cozy

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Speaker 1: with two golden retrievers. Now this new aesthetic has taken

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Speaker 1: over the clean girl aesthetic of last year. Can I ask, though,

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Speaker 1: what is the difference? Because I feel like maybe the

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Speaker 1: vanilla girl has just built up on the clean girl

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Speaker 1: more things to her now. She's some similarities, but I

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Speaker 1: think the main difference with the vanilla girl is that

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Speaker 1: it's all about coziness. Is it a vibe that they create.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the vibe and the aesthetics of the house.

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Speaker 1: I think it's moving into being really caring about your environment,

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Speaker 1: not just about your makeup. It's now about how perfect

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Speaker 1: your house. Also, I think it's because all of these

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Speaker 1: trends start in the US and it has been cold, so,

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Speaker 1: as Sophy said, it's just basically clean. Girl's gotten cozy

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Speaker 1: over christ Well maybe well. Creators are crediting this trend

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Speaker 1: to TikToker Alex Earl, so apparently she is the one

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Speaker 1: that started popularizing this vanilla girl look. This is despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that she doesn't actually use the hashtags on

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Speaker 1: her video. But I find that weird. Also because she

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Speaker 1: lives in a college dorm, so I don't understand the

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Speaker 1: aesthetic of her. I think it's more so that she

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Speaker 1: looks like the vanilla girl. And this new trend has

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Speaker 1: generated a bit of criticism because nearly all of the

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Speaker 1: popular vanilla girl videos feature white, blonde women, so Alex

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Speaker 1: definitely fits this mold with their blonde hair and big

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Speaker 1: blue eyes. It is it's really hard to find creators

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Speaker 1: who are into this trend that don't conform to this look.

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Speaker 1: One black creator who goes by the handle trouble Path wrote,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like wasp trad wife purity culture repackage

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Speaker 1: for jen z. Another prominent black TikToker called Olivia Lane

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Speaker 1: wrote the name Vanilla an examples being used to demonstrate

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Speaker 1: it in mainstream media trend articles make it seem like

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Speaker 1: the trend is only for pretty thin white women. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's bang on. It definitely is. And when

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Speaker 1: I heard the name Vanilla, I was like, Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: a bit awkward. But vanilla also means boring. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was going to say to me, it just sounds like

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Speaker 1: this is a boring girl trend. Vanilla's represents white No,

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Speaker 1: I get that too. But a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: they're doing sound pretty boring. I know, but it sounds

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Speaker 1: up my alley, having your house feeling really cozy. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a very thirty year old. It's what every woman

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Speaker 1: is meant to aspire to be, like, it's very Stepford white,

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Speaker 1: Stepford WI. That's what I don't like about it, And

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that jen zeed are looking up to it,

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Speaker 1: because for gen zas don't they want to go out

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Speaker 1: partying and stuff, not making their house cozy with care.

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Speaker 1: But I see trilat. I think it's the new thing

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Speaker 1: to look like you've got your life in order if

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Speaker 1: you're being very wholesome. And also since COVID, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are taking pride in their houses because they

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Speaker 1: were stuck in them for so long. Hi, I'm Jacinta

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Speaker 1: Franklin and welcome to my cover shoot for the House

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Speaker 1: of Wellness. Jacinta Franklin is the latest public figure to

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Speaker 1: launch her own Instagram subscription. The good news is that

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Speaker 1: she's decided to donate one hundred percent of the proceeds

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Speaker 1: to charity. Okay, what is behind Jacinta's reasoning? I found

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Speaker 1: it ultra refreshing because she basically said that influencers and

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Speaker 1: celebrities make enough money off Instagram that she will be

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Speaker 1: donating any money earned from her subscription to charity. She

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Speaker 1: also went on to talk about how she's very mindful

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Speaker 1: of keeping it cheap enough for people to subscribe because

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Speaker 1: she knows that the cost of living has gone up

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Speaker 1: with inflation, so she is making the subscriptions only ninety

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Speaker 1: nine cents per month. Now, this is compared to someone

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Speaker 1: like Beck Judd, who is charging around five to six

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Speaker 1: dollars a month, and then she's also taking the proceeds

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Speaker 1: of it for herself. Look, I don't know. I have

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Speaker 1: a problem with Beck Judge charging people for content. However,

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Speaker 1: it is refreshing to see that Jacinta is donating that

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Speaker 1: money to charity. Well, that's the thing. Beck has cultivated

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Speaker 1: her own audience and she is going to be creating

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Speaker 1: the content. It's her prerogative if she wants to charge. Now.

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Speaker 1: There's even been criticism held at Jacinta Franklin, with people

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Speaker 1: saying that she's only donating money to charity so she

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Speaker 1: can use it as a tax right off. And I

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Speaker 1: think that we always try and find the negative in

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Speaker 1: something that is so ridiculous. Even if that was her motive,

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Speaker 1: the charity is still receiving the money, so in my view,

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Speaker 1: that's a positive. Also, hopefully it will spark other influences

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Speaker 1: and celebrities to do the same thing. So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a bit nitpicky. Well, I think that is

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