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Speaker 1: on the line is the Opposition leader Selena Rubo. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Kenny, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Selena, at this stage we don't know what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we will certainly keep our listeners up

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Speaker 1: As I said, we really don't know anything more at

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Speaker 1: Do you acknowledge, though Opposition leader, that you guys didn't

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Speaker 2: This space, Katie. Corrections and justice is an ongoing issue

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Speaker 1: All right, Oppositionly the last time you and I se

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Speaker 1: It is an issue which keeps being raised by listeners

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Speaker 1: What are territorians saying to you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, this was brought to my attention straight after

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Speaker 2: clearly broken a promise to Territorians. We know some people

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Speaker 2: and then they completely lied to territoriums in providing a

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Speaker 1: So where too from now with this? Because when we

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Speaker 1: I guess as an opposition, what will you guys be

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Speaker 2: Well, Katie, it goes to the point that you know,

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Speaker 2: When you're in government. People have voted, people have put

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Speaker 1: Katie Selena a quick one. We got a message yesterday

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Speaker 1: from Steve he was wondering where is Chancey Paik have

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Chancey paiks front and center. We've got our

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Speaker 2: watch parliament, Katie. It's I call it a bit of

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Speaker 2: a bubble. You know, you might see a five or

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Speaker 1: So he hasn't been sidelined.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, Katie. I mean if you watch parlom,

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Speaker 1: Selena, Before I let you go, how are things going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're get to get their bit of rain almost

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Speaker 2: sort of afternoon and evenings, Katie, which is lovely bit

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's where infrastructure investment so important, not

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Speaker 2: what may look like a very late wet Yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Are certainly all keeping a close eye on things. Selena Rubo.

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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with you. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie, Thanks for your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you