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Speaker 1: Joining us live on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Small Business, Fishing, plenty of other things, also

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Speaker 1: the Public Service.

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Speaker 2: Paul Kirby, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning to you, morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: How are you yeah, really well now, Minister, we were

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Speaker 1: literally just reading out, so I do just want to

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Speaker 1: mention it that the Northern Territory governments just issued a

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Speaker 1: statement saying that cost of living relief is here. Up

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Speaker 1: to fifty thousand Territorians and thirteen thousand small businesses is

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Speaker 1: set to benefit from the Energy Bill Relief Fund this quarter.

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Speaker 2: So what it's going to mean.

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Speaker 1: Is eligible territorians receive a power bill rebate of three

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars and small businesses are going to

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Speaker 1: during twenty twenty three, twenty four. I guess I'm just

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Speaker 1: to that are going to be able to benefit from it,

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Speaker 1: we are in a situation where the government has increased

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Speaker 1: our utility tariffs by two point seven percent.

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Speaker 2: For the majority of Territorians, I.

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Speaker 1: Know that that is a lot lower than what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing in other states and territories. But it sort of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess that's quite often the case, is

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Speaker 3: that unfortunately, and I have actually just recently, as recently

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory concessions that come through at different times,

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Speaker 3: but that clarifies that some of those federal concessions are

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Speaker 3: and obviously those reliefs mean that these people can now

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Speaker 3: the costs associated with that, because yeah, they were very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're talking about people like our senior

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Speaker 1: But you know, then you look at kind of at

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Speaker 1: while two point seven percent doesn't seem like a huge

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Speaker 3: And I think we've seen it right across the board

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Speaker 3: have gone up, Katie, and certainly continuing to keep those

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Speaker 3: It's really important. That's why we'll continue to fight to

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Speaker 1: So do you reckon that this is the best middle

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Speaker 3: I will obviously certainly continue to work with the federal

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Speaker 3: So their conversations that were always having, their conversations that

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Speaker 1: Well, that is what we did just catch up with

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Speaker 1: Were there any other I mean, has the government accepted

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Speaker 3: We've worked through to make sure that we can land

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Speaker 3: You can't have a nurse at RDH on the pay

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Speaker 3: So it is good news, and we know it's difficult

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, you were out yesterday awarding grant funding to

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Speaker 3: They're really interesting business innovation programs that we've done for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think it's great to see territory businesses

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Speaker 2: How much are they going to receive.

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Speaker 3: There's a few hundred thousand dollars, but it's up to

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Speaker 3: As fishing Minister, Kay. I have been out this week

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Speaker 1: Minister, you did just mention as well then that you've

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling about some of those issues that well,

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Speaker 1: those terrible incidents that have actually unfolded. I mean, we've

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Speaker 3: Well, well, unfortunately, Katie, it's it's not just the city.

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Speaker 3: he acknowledged that, yes, the territory government has put a

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make it better though, it doesn't like, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make it better thinking that, you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: I mean, that sort of makes you feel worse.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just an acknowledgment, and I guess we cop

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Speaker 3: To get out and talk to people and to talk

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Speaker 2: With because this is the thing I mean, to make.

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Speaker 3: Sure that behavior is appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is the thing I mean. In the past,

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Speaker 3: Katie, we're members of the society as well. We feel

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Speaker 3: It's a wide ranging problem that we've got a wide

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Speaker 3: it's hard work running businesses in the Northern Territory and

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Speaker 2: You really don't.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's safe for women to walk around

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I absolutely think it's safe for people

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Speaker 3: I would certainly be cautious of different times that I

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Speaker 3: people do need to be aware of their surroundings. We've

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Speaker 1: Minister, we have run out of time. I always appreciate

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Speaker 1: you chatting with us. Thank you very much for joining

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Speaker 1: us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to Tim Katie Chan, thank you