1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: It's it is clear that crime was the number one 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: issue for Territorians who voted over the weekend, electing the 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: cop who led a campaign on law and order. Now, 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: many would argue though, cost of living was the second 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: biggest issue for voters, whether it's power bills, the cost 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: of groceries, fuel, and the list certainly goes on and 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: joining me now is the Northern Territory Council of Social 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Services CEO Sally Severs. Good morning to you, Sally, Yeah. 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Katie, and good morning to your listeners. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Lovely to have you on the show. Now, Sally, what 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: was your reaction to the change of government over the weekend? 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: I haught so like me personally and also NT costs 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: have a really long tradition of working with who's ever 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: in government to make sure that we've got a strong 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: and valued social and community. Think that. So we'll work 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: with whoever and where. Yeah, we're setting all those things 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: in place. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Now, how is demand going at the moment when it 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: comes to support and assistance, particularly as we've seen the 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: cost of living go up. 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: So the sector and you know, our members like do 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: provide a lot of support for people when the cost 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: of living by ITTs and so you know, there is 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: a real demand for you know, emergency relief, you know, 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: whether it's food or whether it's housing. Even down to 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: when we put out our fact sheet on the cost 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: of housing, we heard stories of people who were in 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: that private rental market having to take out you know, 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: low interest loans to pay their rents or side whether 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: they pay their rents or put food on the table 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: or buy their medications. And so there's a big role 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: for the sector in helping people manage those things. And 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, as you've said, cost of living, you know, 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: is a massive issue. And we put out fact sheets 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: on each of the sort of main sort of cost pressure, 36 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: so transport, housing and utilities, and we're about to put 37 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: one out on food. And so what people are feeling 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: is really what the facts show as well when you 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: look at the data took us through. 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to food and the cost 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: seine of food, I mean, you know, even for a 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: family that's got you know, two working adults, it's so high. 43 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: But then when you when you look at families that 44 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: maybe the dynamics a bit different, or when you look 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: at seniors that are maybe reliant on a pension or 46 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: then when your head further out into a community, the 47 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: cost of food can be astronomical. 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we haven't actually put out that one yet, 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: but really the issue, Katie, I think is, you know, 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: obviously everyone is impacted by the cost of living, but 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: those on the lowest income or fixed income, so people 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, like seniors or people who are on income support, 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 2: they feel the effects way more and they're really struggling 54 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: to afford basics. And so the Northern Territory does a 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: survey on a market basket each year, and they did 56 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: the one for twenty twenty three. We haven't done our 57 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: food one yet, but what they showed was the average 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: cost of a healthy basket of food in a remote 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: community was forty percent higher than what it would be 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: in a supermarket in town. And so just that real 61 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: impact on the most disadvantage and those living in poverty. 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 2: Just yeah, that's the sort of focus of our advocacy. 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be interested to see when that latest one 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: does come out. The cost of a food basket. I 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: think it's it's really high, I would suggest, you know, 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, and like you said, they're yeah, 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: heading out the further out you go, the more expensive, 68 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: I would imagine it becomes salie. What kind of cost 69 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: of living relief would you like to see? And I mean, 70 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: what would you like the incoming government to really sort 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: of have a look at when it comes to cost 72 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: of living is. 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: So when we've done we've looked at transport really high, 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: correstal across the NT rental utilities being really high. The 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: sort of overarching policy that we're asking for is targeted concessions, 76 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: and so we'll get the response that you know, we're 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: really tied on money, but really trying to do things 78 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: which have the biggest impact for those who are most disadvantaged, 79 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: and that means targeted concession scheme. So there's just a 80 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: really simple tweak that could happen. For the Motor Vehicle Registry. 81 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: There's a concession there and it's seventy seven dollars for 82 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: a six months regio, but it's been seventy seven dollars 83 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: since two thousand and nine. So just having that index 84 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: so that it actually the impact of receiving that concession 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: actually holds its value because both you and I would 86 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: just pay my rego the other week, your regio's going 87 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: up and up and up and so you know, seventy 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: seven dollars, you know, might have been a lot in 89 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: the past when Regio was you know, two or three 90 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: hundred dollars, but now if you're read Joe's you're up 91 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: to six or seven hundred or eight hundred dollars. It's 92 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: the benefit of it that has diminished. The other really 93 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: strong one that we would like to see is the 94 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 2: NPT has a good concession scheme so that people get, 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, assistance with power and rates and water and 96 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: that sort of thing, but it only applies to a 97 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: restricted number of people who are on low incomes. We'd 98 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: like that to be across the board, so everyone who 99 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: has a healthcare card, so that the most disadvantage people 100 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: are receiving that that assistance in those in those areas. 101 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: And they're right now. And in terms of the you know, 102 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: the incoming CLP government, what are you hoping for overall, 103 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, from from your sector or from from NT 104 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: costs in terms of some of the different changes that 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: they have flagged. 106 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: So in relation to what we're our biggest requests from 107 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: the government is that they come and talk to the sector. 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: So my members they're out working with people in the 109 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: community day in, day out, and so the benefit of 110 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: a community and social sector is that it can innovate, 111 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: it's more agile and can understand the issues, and so 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: we want to be consulted on those big picture items. 113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: So you know, we know that there's a large amount 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 2: of federal money coming into housing and homelessness, and we 115 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: really want to make sure that everyone who provides those 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: services and know what's happening on the ground on a 117 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: day to day basis that they're consulted. It's also the 118 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: same in the criminal justice space. So we hear and 119 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: we see all the stories and we promote them about 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: the community led solutions to things which are going wrong 121 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: in our community. So that you know, the Brother to Another, 122 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: the young average ments, sitting and working with young men. 123 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: It's about listening to those programs and amplifying the solutions 124 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: that they offer to our community. 125 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've spoken to I have spoken to Brother to 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Another on the show before. They sound like they do 127 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job. Didn't seem like they sort of got 128 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of support from the from the former government. 129 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: I may be wrong in that space, but definitely I 130 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: think that they that Gai Cardwonner and his crew do 131 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: what sounds like a phenomenal job. 132 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are lots and lots of others. So 133 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: this is the whole thing in the space is there's 134 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: lots and lots of community based solutions and so it's 135 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: actually them receiving the funds they need to do their 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: job and the support and also being left to actually 137 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: do the job in the way that that works for 138 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: their community. And so we know, say, like add on 139 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: Grude Island that there's an amazing program working out there 140 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: that's reduced you know, use recidivism by a massive amount. 141 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: I think the figure I didn't research that before I 142 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: came on, but it was something like ninety two percent. 143 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: And so it's the community saying hey, the Aboriginal community 144 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: saying hey, we've had enough of this and we will 145 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: come up with the solution. So they've got an early 146 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: identifying of young people who are getting into trouble and 147 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: then the community sort of like spotters, and then the 148 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: community steps in and works with those young people. So 149 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: the analogy I use Katie is we're we're looking and 150 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: the community sector can work with the government about all 151 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: of the things that are upstream before families and young 152 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: people and other people who are who involved in the 153 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 2: criminal justice system actually fall off the cliff or who 154 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: are potentially going to be. So what we're trying to 155 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: do is we're trying to do all those upstream things 156 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 2: and bring those to everyone's attention because they're the things 157 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: that stop there being victims of crime. And also when 158 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: they're working with young people being killed. Accountable by your community. 159 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: That's way harder than sort of like like, you know, 160 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 2: being reminded for a short period of time and then 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: being back out into the community having elders on your 162 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: case to hold you accountable. That's that's the accountable for crime. 163 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: Are you due to catch up with the incoming Chief 164 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: Minister or the incoming government. I guess they're due to 165 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: find their feet as well as you're trying to find 166 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: their feet as well, aren't they at the moment? Sally, 167 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: they've got to, you know, determine who's going to be 168 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: ministers and all that kind of stuff. 169 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: Ye, what that announcement was coming this morning, Katie, I 170 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: thought you might. 171 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: Have known it. So they're My understanding is that they're 172 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: swearing in the Chief Minister and the Deputy but I'm 173 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: not sure that they're announcing the portfolios then, but we're 174 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: keeping a close eye on things. 175 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will look to work with every you know, 176 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: we've had like really good conversations with you know, so 177 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: people who have been in before so around domestic and 178 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: family violence and youth and children's programs, and you know, 179 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: looking at making sure that we're open and that the 180 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: government knows that, you know, we're up for all of 181 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: those conversations. We all want the same things we want 182 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: are safer and a thriving community. You know, I don't 183 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: know about you, Katie, but you know I've lived here 184 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: for thirty six years. You know, my kids have been 185 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: brought up here. We really are committed to the solutions. 186 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: We just think that the solutions are earlier on in 187 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: the continuum of support we can provide to families than police. 188 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: How do you reckon we juggle that now, Sally, because 189 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: it seems like the community is so frustrated and so 190 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: sort of over the issue of crime. But there does 191 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: need to be that early intervention there most certainly does, 192 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: and you know that's something we've spoken about plenty of times. 193 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: But I guess juggling that with the expectation from the 194 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: community right now where they want to feel safe. 195 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing about that is it's sort of 196 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: like they're sure term safety measures, Like I said, so 197 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: it's sort of like, Yeah, the story that I tell is, 198 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: you know where I live. You know, we've got an 199 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 2: evening where the front windscreen of my youngest ones who's 200 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: just saved up to buy a car, getting mashed, and 201 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: so we're thinking, Okay, that's really terrible for my young one, 202 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: and I talk to them about, hey, you know, if 203 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: we can find the kids, let's have a conversation, tell 204 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: them about how hard you work for that car, what 205 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: it will mean that you can't get to your job. 206 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: And so we think about that. But then I from 207 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: my other perspective, I think, if that's not the case 208 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: and those kids going to don Dale, the next time, 209 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: those kids are back in my neighborhood, they're not out 210 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: on the street in my car, they're upstairs in my 211 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: kid's bedroom. And so, yep, it might be satisfying for 212 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: that short term relief, but in fact, what we're after 213 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: is long term safety, and we're after all of our 214 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: community being able to contribute. And so what we hope 215 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: from the government is, yep, do those quick fix things, 216 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: but in fact, actually they need to work with the 217 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: community sector on community led safety options so that in 218 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: the long term the Northern Territory community is safe. And 219 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: having just been new in this role, Katie, what's devastating 220 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: is all of the programs are not properly funded. They're 221 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: not the money that's being promised, you know, from the 222 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: Commonwealth source the NTY. No one has enough money to 223 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: do their job properly, and so that's what we're hoping. 224 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: We're hoping. Yep, they might do the policing and they 225 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: might do the prisons bit, but that in fact, actually 226 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: the alternatives which hold people to account but also assist 227 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: families to thrive, that they get funded properly to do 228 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: their job, because that's the whole thing. In all of 229 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: the different roles I've had as Children's Commissioner and in 230 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: Discrimination Commissioner, all of those things, they're just never funded 231 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: quite enough to actually be doing the job, you know, 232 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: in the way that they really need to. So there's 233 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: an example in our spring where the Alice Springs alternative 234 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: to custody down there, it's doing an amazing job keeping 235 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: women out of prison. But now they used to have 236 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: what two case managers for ten women because of there 237 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: being no indexation for their funding or their funding not 238 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: increasing over the last five years, they're now down to 239 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: one councilor and really they can't do their job properly. 240 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: So something that was working incredibly successfully to keep women 241 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: out of prison and have a really reduced recidivism rate 242 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: is now not gone. 243 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. It makes it bloody hard. Well, Sally looks so 244 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: much to discuss and they're always is no doubt we 245 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: are going to talk again very soon. I really appreciate 246 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thank you so very much for 247 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: having a chat with me. 248 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, Katie. Thanks you by now.