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Speaker 1: Peter Hook, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and you're absolutely right, it was choccing.

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Speaker 1: How busy was it out at Kackadoo over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Look, it was full, both the Crocodile Hotel, Kuinda, the campgrounds,

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Speaker 2: of course we don't even have international guests or not many,

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Speaker 2: have been more busy. I suppose, Yeah, Peter.

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Speaker 1: You hit the nail on the head there. I think

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Speaker 1: actually wonderful thing to hear that you've had a cracking

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Speaker 2: Look it is Look, I have to say one other thing, okay,

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Speaker 2: bit challenging. We welcome everybody coming along. It's just going

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Speaker 1: I bet it was Peter talk us through those staffing

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Speaker 2: But look, you know, we're doing things slowly because after

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Speaker 1: Peter talk us through the weekend. Was it mostly locals

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Speaker 1: And what feedback have you heard from the operators out there?

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Speaker 2: Look, people are understanding. I think anyone who watched all

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, obviously, we saw that Australia has scrapped

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Speaker 2: Look both ways. Absolutely, you spot on, Katie, because once

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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm saying it's a great time for

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Speaker 1: Well. Peter Hawk, lovely to speak to you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Peter Hook just having a bit of a chat to

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Speaker 1: let us know what you got up to over easter.

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Speaker 1: Love to hear from you. Zero for double nine seven,

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