1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: We've been joined by Jonathan Curzley Channel. I'm's the US 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: correspondent in Washington. 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: Good morning, Jonathan, Good morning to you, Clarsy and Lesion, 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: and good morning to all your listeners in Earth. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan. Obviously a lots more updates overnight, more developments, I 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: should say, But one of the big ones is that 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: it is reported Garza's only power station has stopped working. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Is that the case of what does that mean for 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the situation? 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, essentially this is now an even more precarious situation. 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: Israel had spoken a couple of days ago about wanting 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: a complete siege, that is what they described it of Garza. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: That would mean cutting off power, cutting off food supplies. 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: So now that process you are starting to see take place. 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Garza essentially went dark in the even before the nightfall 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: actually fell. The lights went out, power station gone, food 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: supply is being cut off. The concern now he's obviously 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: in the days ahead, what is a ground assaults going 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: to look like? Because that really would be the next 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: move from Israel. The United States President Joe Biden has 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: been talking with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Ettanyahu, and he 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: has then kept fully abreast of what Israel is planning 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: on doing obviously not revealing the plans the likes of 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: Hamas on exactly how Israel would go into Gaza, but 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: there is real concern because the hostage is being held 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: inside there, including American citizens. Now. Joe Biden said a 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: while ago, in the last couple of hours that he 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: does have a plan to get them out, but that 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: if he was to say what that plan was, then 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: those people could very well wind up not making it 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: at home. We've also heard horrible atrocities, horrible detail coming 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: out of the Israeli government about the murder carried out 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: by Hamas on children, on babies and toddlers. That has 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: been confirmed this afternoon by US President Joe Biden. The 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: detail is simply, utterly, utterly horrific. I won't go into 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: the detail now, but yeah, Jesus, he is. He is 37 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: very clearly shaken by what he is seeing and what 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: he says. He has been able to confirm over the 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: last twenty four hours. 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: Well, I did. 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: So. The Americans are positioning in the area now and 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: they're really guys trying to work out what data next to. 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: I watched you know, some of the sort of the 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: you know video that had come out of the music 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: festival yesterday, and it was just so disturbing when just 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: going back to you know what talking about foreigners being 47 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: killed there and one Australian has been confirmed killed. Does 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: that when that starts to happen, does it put those 49 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: other leaders, you know, like Maiden, like alban Ezi in 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: a position where they almost have to get involved. 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: Well, the numbers of foreigners who have been considered killed 52 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: are writing. We've seen bring citizens killed, the Americans. We 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: are told that toll is going to climb. Obviously, all 54 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: of those allies are in talks with each other. Now 55 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: from a Western response to America would take the lead 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,559 Speaker 2: on this. They have the strongest relationship with Israel historically 57 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: and the strongest alliance. But needless to say, there have 58 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: been discussions between France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom of 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: the United States about how to deal with this situation 60 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: in Israel. The US is Saivia Carrier Strike Group that 61 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: is an aircraft carrier. They've sent in two Navy destroyers. 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: They've sent in a Navy cruiser as well. There's another 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: aircraft carrier that is on the way to the region 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: as well. The fighter jet numbers in the region that 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: America has is being bolstered. Now, the US insists this 66 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: is all about the tourists. They are trying to prevent 67 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: groups like Hezbuller and Lebanon, trying to prevent states like 68 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: Iran from capitalizing on the assault of Israel and carrying 69 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: out their own attacks. That's the huge concern now that 70 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: this could actually blow up into an all out Middle 71 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: East war. America is trying to avoid that, and it's 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: trying to avoid that by showing it from a position 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: of strength. But yeah, this is an incredibly concerning time. 74 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: It might be days now since the assault on Israel 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: was carried out. That make no mistake. This is going 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: to get a lot worse before it gets any better. 77 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: Jonathan. We're seeing the footage now of families walking pretty 78 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 3: much whaling through rubble. One or two plastic bags were 79 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: the only possessions they have left. And we know that 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: incredible population in Gaza along the strip there. Well, do 81 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: we have ideas of numbers of those people who are 82 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: now homeless and just walking the street almost aimlessly. 83 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: Well, this is the situation, is that you are looking 84 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: at the numbers of dead are well and truly over 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: one thousand eddy towards two thousand now, and that is 86 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: when you take in a percentage of the population that's 87 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: been described as essentially forty times what the nine to 88 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: eleven tracks he was here in the United States of America. 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: So that gives you a size of the scale of 90 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: the dead. Now the homeless, that's obviously going to be 91 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: a problem too, because you've seen building is completely obliterated. 92 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: What you are going to see next from Israel if 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: they carry through on this claim of a complete siege 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: is essentially in all that ground assault, they will move 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: troops into Israel, into the Gaza area to try and 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: rid Hamas out of the area. Now, the risk then, 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: and this is clearly a concern to officials, including US 98 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: President Joe Biden, is that Hamas will take civilians as 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: human body shifts. That was spoken about it the White 100 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: House wrong US today that that now is the great, 101 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: big risk. So not only are people being homeless, but 102 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: this assault, this war, this conflict, this latest outbreak is 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: not over yet. I said, it's going to get worse 104 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: before before it gets any better. That is because Israel's 105 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: ground assault is still to come, and Joe Biden is 106 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: essentially reminded Benjamin met and Yahoo. He needs to stick 107 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: to the rules of war. Essentially, he can't go into 108 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: Gaza and needlessly kill civilians. He's going to go in 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: and look for Hamas. But this is a very, very 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: delicate situation. This is a region that has been tense 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 2: for decades, and we could sit here all day and 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: talk about the complexities of the Middle East. But right 113 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: now this is a very grave new front for Israel. 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: It is a grave new front for the Middle East 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: and a worrying sign for the Wall. 116 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about the situation with 117 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: the hostages. I guess it is safe to assume that 118 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: the reason so many hostages have been taken is with 119 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: a view to using them as human shields, as something 120 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: which is quite a popular method in this part of 121 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: the world. 122 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there's a number of reasons why Hamas might 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: do this. A it might give them some capital in 124 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: order to do some negotiations release Western hostages if there 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: is some sort of negotiation process. But right now the 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: US is also looking at an extraction. There's one hundred, 127 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty so people right now who are 128 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: being held hostage by Hamas. Inside Gaza. That is now 129 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: according to officials who have spoken of the United Nations 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: now that is not an insignificant number of people at all. 131 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: The concern obviously would be that if there is this 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: ground assult take place, I musk my very well just 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: decide not to have those hostages with them anymore and 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 2: use them as human body shields or take their lives. 135 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: But there is still an awful lot not known about 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: where these hostages are. This is the issue for the 137 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: governments countries. They have to try and find out where 138 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: they are before they can work out how on Earth 139 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: they can get them out. And one of the aspects 140 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: of the Israeli ground assault that could take place is 141 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: essentially capital how much human risk and human life are 142 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: they willing to look at here before they think about 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: trying to improve the situation. There is a significance concern 144 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: about what is going to take place potentially over the 145 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: next forty eight hours or so. We don't know when 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: it will take place, or really if it will take place. 147 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Israel has said hands down they will be carrying out 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: a complete siege of Guard and how complete spiege means 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: they're going to put troop in and. 150 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Any development in what the plan is for Ozzie's in Israel, 151 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: What the latest advice for is there. 152 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: There's been discussions about repatriation flight. It's getting five hundred 153 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: Australians out on tooth light. This is Australia's not the 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: only country trying to do this, obviously. I think there's 155 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: about a thousand Stralians the moment, two thousand Studi's actually 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: in Israel, but there are countless other foreigners who are 157 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: in the country as well. Now we've send Norway, France 158 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: they've already repatriated some of their citizens. Portugal has done 159 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: so as well. You get a sense now that what 160 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: is taking place is the chess pieces are being moved 161 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: on the board, if you can use that analogy, essentially 162 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: a pre attack kind of move. Governments know that something 163 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: is coming, that the situation in Gaza and Israel is 164 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: about to get a lot worse, so they're saying they're 165 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: people they need to get out. In fact, in the 166 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: last half an hour, the United States of America has 167 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: told its citizens to reconsider going to Israel at all, 168 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: saying that terrorists and terror groups are planning to carry 169 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: out attack inside Israel. So clearly there is information there 170 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: that foreigners are going to be at risk in the 171 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: days ahead. 172 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 173 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And of course the loss is suffering the most 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 3: important thing. And then as you say, this continues to 175 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: escalate that there are now concerns and the chat has 176 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: started talking about the raising rising price of oil as well, 177 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: which will be one of the ramifications globally. 178 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: Well, exactly, there's going to be a number of ramifications 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: out of this. I mean the oil aspect is going 180 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: to be one of it. The immediate concern is going 181 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: to be submimiate, and I think when you look around 182 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 2: the world right now, it is going to be what 183 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: is going to happen to security. We're saying security bolted 184 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: around synagogues in Australia and the United States. Jewish community 185 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: is trying to stand up. We've seen those scenes out 186 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: of Sydney where pro Palestinian supporters carried out demonstrations, with 187 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: the scenes in London where pro Palestinian and pro Israeli 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: groups have faced off together. You are going to see 189 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: these situations repeated in city after city after city up 190 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: the city around the world, because this Middle Eastern conflict 191 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: isn't just affecting the thousands of lives that have been 192 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: lost in the Middle East and the families who have 193 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: lost homes and lost loved ones. It is going to 194 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: cause a ripple effect intentions right around the world, and 195 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: that is a significant concern. That is why they are 196 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: trying to avoid an all that Middle Eastern war because 197 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: that would be catastrophic, not just for the region but globally. 198 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: So all right, well, Jonathan, thank you so much again 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: and we'll check in with you again later. 200 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks Jonathan, no worries at all, and tune into 201 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: nine News. Our colleague with Godfree on the ground in 202 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: Israel has been doing some extraordinary reporting from the ground there, 203 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: so tune into nine News nightly at six and we'll 204 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: keep you abreast of the ladder just developments over at Israel. 205 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: Over all. 206 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: Thank you, John, thank you too. I appreciate it. Wow.