1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me Lolaberry, author, nutritionist, 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lollaberry. Hello, lols. Here, 5 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: just a quick check in. In the last week, so 6 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: much has been going on in the world, pretty confronting stuff, 7 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: but also very necessary things. We've had protests here in Australia. Obviously, 8 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of rioting and protesting going on 9 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: in America, and out of respect to that, we paused 10 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: last Monday's episode with the incredible Jenfontainne and I called 11 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: her about pausing the episode and she said, look, we 12 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: can have a discussion about what's really going on on 13 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 1: the ground now, and she was really brave and jumped 14 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: on and we had a quick chat which came out 15 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: last week. That's last week's episode. Now, this episode that 16 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: you're hearing now, we actually recorded this about three weeks 17 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: ago and it was the first time that we have 18 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: recorded an online episode. But we feel so lucky to 19 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: have this wonderful human being on here. Jenfontaine is a powerhouse. 20 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: She's been working in the music industry since she was 21 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: nineteen years old of both Sony and Warner. She now 22 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: has created her own management company called Private Idahome Management, 23 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: and she looks after some of the big guns iconic 24 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: music people in Australia like Guy Sebastian and Human Nature. 25 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: She's got a beautiful outlook and so much passion. I 26 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: love the way she talks about artists. I think anybody 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: will gain something from this chat. I really hope you 28 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: enjoy this episode with Jenfonteine. Hello, Jenny Fontaine. I'm so 29 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: excited to have you here. Haven't met him in person yet, 30 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: but you're in La and we're in a coastal town 31 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: out of Melbourne. We're kind of on zoom skype, bit 32 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: of everything going on here. 33 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: We're via lots of we're on on the other side 34 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: of the world. I'm so excited to speak to you, Lola. 35 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so pumped to have you here. At Jen Fontaine. 36 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: You have created your own company, Private Idaho Management, and 37 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: you manage some of the most iconic Australian musicians. To me, though, 38 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: this is one part of all these other amazing things 39 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: that you've done, and I'm sure you continue to do today, 40 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: So I guess I wanted to kick start with where 41 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: it all begun for you. 42 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, we can take it right back. 43 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: I've read as a teenager used to watch all those 44 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: entertainment TV shows. So I'm guessing you always had this 45 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of like passion for music. 46 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: I did. I mean, I just loved it. I was 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: just so drawn to performers and music and just I 48 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: guess the excitement of artists and what they did and song. 49 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: And I remember my brother, you know, we were it 50 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: was just my sibling and I am and a single 51 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: parent mom, and we used to spend a lot of 52 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: time at home in school holidays on our own because 53 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: my mum was a physiotherapist and had a thriving practice 54 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: and used to know scribble down to do list which 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: we could never read and decipher. And all I would 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: do is play my Prince Purple Rain record, you know, 57 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: like at ad nauseum to the point where it was 58 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: back in the day. It was like vinyl and lots 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: of different things. And my brother chased me around the 60 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: house and said, if you play that thing one more time, 61 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to break it over your head, you know. 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: And I just loved it. I played the piano. I 63 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: wasn't very good at it. I sold that to backpack 64 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: around the world with my best friend after school. You know, 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: but I just always wanted to be somewhere in entertainment. 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: I just didn't know how why at that point. You know. 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: So is it true that you were nineteen when you 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: went for the job at Sony. That's pretty young I did. 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I started, I jumped after I graduated, and 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: I deferred going to UNI for a while. I went 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: with my best friend. We lived overseas and I had 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: these crazy ass jobs, you know, like just randomly weird things. 73 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: Sold makeup at Malton Brown, you know, and sold makeup 74 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: to Fergie and Princess Die and this really amazing Mayfair thing. 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: It was just ridiculous what I did. I don't know 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: how I ever managed to get a job. I've never 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: done makeup in my life. But so I came back 78 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: home to Australia and I, you know, went back to 79 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: school and I really just had a great friend of 80 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: mine that ran me one day and said, there's a 81 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: temp job, Jen that's going at Sony Music. You know, 82 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: you should come and work there and try you, you know, 83 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: try it. Out and so I did, and I worked 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: in promotions and just sort of I unpacked primo boxes 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: and stuff of all the latest CDs and just did 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: anything I could to learn in this environment. And it 87 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: was my biggest opportunity. I stayed there for nearly a 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: decade and worked for the chairman and worked my way 89 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: into publicity. Loved it. 90 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Can I ask about the chairman my boyfriend Bosso. It's 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: Dennis Handlin, right, Yes, yes, my boyfriend Bosso says he's 92 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a lord. He has so much respect 93 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: in the music industry and he said that he's responsible 94 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of Australia's music history. 95 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, he taught me this expression is called attention to 96 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: detail at d how did it on his number plate 97 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: of his car. And it was a really great grounding 98 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: for me. I called Sony, you know, my chance to 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: learn everything, and that's what I did. And yeah, he's 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: one of my mentors today. Great sense of humor, a 101 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: relationships person, knew the basics, the nuts and bolts, you know. 102 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: And it really is about follow through in life. No 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: matter what you do, whatever your project is, you know, 104 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: have a plan, know how to execute it, be responsible 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: to yourself. And the people that you promise things to, 106 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: because you know, again, in this industry, if you don't 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: have it together, you're never going to succeed, and that 108 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: project will never have light. And so it was a 109 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: great It was a great stomping ground for me. I 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: learned so much and a lot a lot of people 111 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: from those record company days are still my friends and 112 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: people I work with today and have to relate to. 113 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: You know, it was amazing, and you were so young 114 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: as well. I heard an interview where you described your 115 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: time at Sony as your military training, and I mean 116 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: that in the best possible way, like kind of taught you. 117 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: It did I'm a discipline, Oh. 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: I did it obviously taught me work ethic. And you know, 119 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: it was back in the day, and you know Matt 120 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: would tell you about this, but you know, when the 121 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: music industry had budgets, real budgets, it was pretty glorious. 122 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: It's still glorious now. And you know, now I think 123 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: about what we used to spend on and how you 124 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: can and wisely choose where you actually put investment is 125 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: a much better place to be in right now. But 126 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: you know, I went to Sony and I learned these grassroots, 127 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: and I had a really great, great experience, I mean 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: nearly ten years and then I went to Warners and 129 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: at the time that was like, you know, the good 130 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: ship Lollipop. I was like, what do you mean, you 131 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: don't have a schedule. Let me get the basics going here. 132 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: But what I also learned was that there were other 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: ways to approach tasks, and I think that's the good 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: thing in our industry, and particularly in music. You know, 135 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: it's had so many phases, and even now because of coronavirus, 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: you know, the industry is hading so much and you 137 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: have to be adept to be able to change because 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: if you think you've only got one way to do something, 139 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: you'll never get through this industry through all the changing cycles. 140 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know about yourself all, but I really 141 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: don't like to be classified in genres or what's cool 142 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: or not cool, you know, I think that's just that's 143 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: just bullshit. It's something that's great and either commercial or 144 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: a unique sound that's for a specific moment, that's sort 145 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: of that's art, and that's how products are launched. And 146 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: so I think that, you know, you have to be 147 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: really really open and the one of the hardest questions 148 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: you could have asked me is who's your favorite artist? 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: So there's no way, no way in the world I'll 150 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: ever you'll ever get that out of me. 151 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have that as a question. But 152 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: what I did read about you is that you've worked 153 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: with so many incredible artists over the years, from your 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: time at Sony and Warner and obviously right now you 155 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: represent massive Australian artists like Guy Sebastian and Human Nature 156 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: and we're talking like Aria Award winning artists here as well. 157 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: But I've also seen a list of artists that you've 158 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: worked with through your history of working with musicians, whether 159 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: it be Red Hot, Chili Peppers, Jeff Buckley, I saw 160 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: you at with Delta Goudrom And this is just you know, 161 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm just giving a taste of this. Is there any 162 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: story where you've been completely blown away or you've met 163 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: an artist and they've had that kind of like magic 164 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: or they've got a quirk or is there a story. 165 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what I'm looking for here, but 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: I guess is it true that they kind of have 167 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: that magic thing about them? 168 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 2: Artists a special breed? You know, I think it's it's 169 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: it's probably I just admire their resilience and the courage 170 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: that they have because for you don't open up as 171 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 2: a performer and a singer or to be judged around 172 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: a lyric and a song. You know, that's just that 173 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: is such an exposing time, and they're vulnerable. And yes, 174 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: of course they come with personality and sometimes bravado, but 175 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: make no mistake, they are really incredibly diverse individuals and 176 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: sometimes fragile actually, And so I think my job as 177 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: a manager, and no matter what role, whether it was 178 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: back in the day, PubL felicity or any of that, 179 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 2: my job was a facilitator, you know. I help provide 180 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: a platform and guide them to feel safe so that 181 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: they can shine. And I know that sounds a little 182 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: kind of clinical or maybe, but for me, they're just people, 183 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: you know. And yeah, they're superstars behind that mic or 184 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: when someone's being interviewed, it's their moment and I respect 185 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: them and I know that it's my job to protect 186 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: and allow them to be great. But they're just people. 187 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 2: And when you really get to know them and you 188 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: see them into this world, I'm still blown away at 189 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: how lucky I am today, Like it's you know, it's 190 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: a gift that I don't take for granted. I really don't. 191 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: And so I like to protect people. Maybe I'm too 192 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: protective at times, you know what I mean. But I 193 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: know what it's like because I've seen the fragility around 194 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: the acts as well. You know. Obviously Jeff Buckley is 195 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, someone that's no longer here today. He was 196 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: always fradgile. But when that voice and that moment when 197 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: some of those songs kicked him in him live and 198 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: we're at the Phoenician Club in Sydney, and you know, 199 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: we had to fill that room, but like it was 200 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: a glorious moment. And Katie Lang singing Hallelujah for six minutes, 201 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, with Andrew Denton, and it was a moment 202 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: when we booked that song and no one did six 203 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: minute songs on television. And he's like, I will not 204 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: tell Katie Lang to shorten this song. You know, it 205 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: wasn't her song, granted, but you know, for her to 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: sing that, it was a moment, you know. And yeah, 207 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: sure the Chili Peppers and yeah, I'm just I'm lucky. 208 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: It's a blessed life that I've had. But please don't 209 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: don't misunderstand that it's not. You know, when you work 210 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: in music and you work in any form of media, 211 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: as you know, and you expose yourself to people, it's 212 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: a rollercoaster and you have to for all the highs, 213 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: they're tremendous lows, which I know it's just while we're talking, 214 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: you know, but for them as well, you know, for 215 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: those moments of glory, there was hours, months, years of 216 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: work that goes into something like that, millions of no's, 217 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: you know, criticism and all these things, and I don't 218 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: want to dwell on that, but that is a moment 219 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: that you have to relish, especially for an artist when 220 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: you see them fly. For all those number ones, there's 221 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: probably twenty singles that were hovering and maybe not performing 222 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: and being analyzed, you know. So it's just but when 223 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: you're looking at art, I'm really really protective of what 224 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: music represents, you know, and it's had some really hard 225 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: knocks around music, you know. I'd always say to people 226 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: it is one of the of all the art forms, 227 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: one that's devalued, and it's and you know, would you 228 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 2: walk into the louver and take the Mona Lisa off 229 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: the hook? No? You wouldn't you know. So music is 230 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: growing and as Australian artists that are killing it at 231 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: the moment, and so they should and stands up to 232 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. And that's the other thing 233 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: I have to say is I shine light on the 234 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: Australians because I just think there's just so much talent 235 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: in our country. 236 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: I've absolutely heard you say that you are fiercely loyal 237 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: to Ossie talent and it's so refreshing. And another thing 238 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: I have read about you is about your passionate about 239 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: nurturing the talent, and it's there is a stigma around 240 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: managers and even as talent now it takes a few 241 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: goals to kind of find the right manager and you're like, 242 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: do they win me for me? Or is it do 243 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: I have a dollar sign on my head? And I 244 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: think it takes time to find that right manager. It's 245 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: like a long term life partner or relationship. 246 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: It's a marriage, and you know, I think obviously long 247 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 2: term partnership is wonderful and all of that, but sometimes 248 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: it's also you've got to know when to call it, 249 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: you know. And I haven't necessarily been in that position, 250 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: but I've had some rosters that you know that have 251 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: come and gone. But look, as grace as your entry is, 252 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: you have to have a graceful exit, and it's possible. 253 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't always have to be barely up. 254 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, yeah, managers can have a 255 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: pretty rotten name for themselves. But I think you have 256 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 2: to base your things on having integrity. I like to 257 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: lead with honesty, and sometimes that's a hard to be 258 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: on the receiving end of honesty and it's hard to 259 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: deliver it. But at the same time, the truth will 260 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: set you free, So you have to stay with that 261 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: and stay really loyal and integral. And I'm really lucky 262 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: because I have clients that the way they conduct themselves, 263 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: what you see is what they get. There's no on 264 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: off button. They really are like that twenty four to seven. 265 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: They're kind, they're gracious, and they're respectful. So I guess 266 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm lucky I've got to that place in my career 267 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: where I can have that because they're not always like that. 268 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: I think, how good that what you see is what 269 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: you get. I think that's also very rare, and the 270 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: truth will see you're free. My mantra is just be real, 271 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: And I think with you talking to you, I really 272 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: feel like the like attracts like thing is totally valid. 273 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: And I think something that I really love and can 274 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: feel from what you're saying is you really care about 275 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: your talent. And it seems like your underlying kind of 276 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: like set point of value is to care, be honest, 277 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: and to like no bullshit. And I think only good 278 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: can come from that. Of course, with a lot of 279 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: resilience and pounding the pavement. But if that's your ultimate dama, 280 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: which is all passion we call that in yoga, If 281 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: it's to serve, to care, to nurture, you can't really 282 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: go wrong. 283 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: I like to do that for the talent. I also 284 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: like to do it for my team. You know, I 285 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: didn't I had great I was lucky. I had people 286 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: that liked me enough to spend time and teach me things. 287 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: But you know, I work through the nineties and the 288 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: two thousands, and you know it wasn't always an easy environment. 289 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: I don't have any negative stories. I don't have any 290 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: crisis stories. But you know, I think right now, there's 291 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: just so much more noise, you know, I guess we've 292 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: all we're reachable twenty four to seven, We're running our 293 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: own socials, then you've got the company's socials, then you've 294 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: got emails. And I just want to empower people because 295 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: if you empower your clients or you empower your team 296 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: to be better, great, And that's why I'll hand over 297 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: one of my contacts and a mobile number and an 298 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: email and say here, reach this person' this is what 299 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: they like, you know, say this and see how you go. 300 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: And people are like, why would you hand over your contacts. 301 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it's not me, it's someone else. It's okay. 302 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: That's also a testament to you, though it's also about 303 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: what you said before about being honest, being the real deal. 304 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: I believe also that there's really nothing that you lose 305 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: from giving no, there's nothing to lose. 306 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: And look, I mean sometimes people don't know in the beginning. 307 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: People wouldn't know how. I know because I'm a tact 308 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: old bear. This whole isolation COVID. You can't cuddle people. 309 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: That's a real problem for me. And I'm obviously you know, 310 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: you know, rising the occasion and not doing that. But 311 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm a really tact old person and I think that's 312 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: just because again, you have to like people to do 313 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: what we do. You know, you interface with a lot 314 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: of people and I do as well, and I just 315 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: you want to be in it for the right reason. 316 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: But trust me, when I need to sleep, I'll go 317 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: to bed. You know, I can't always be in a 318 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: high esteemed position. I try and keep myself and be 319 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: really aware of my energy levels now, you know, because 320 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: especially when you're working two time zones and other things, 321 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: you have to learn to let your clients and your 322 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 2: team and even my self rest. And it's not often, 323 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: but when you do it, you got to do it. 324 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: And I think that's been something I've really learned over 325 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: these years as well, because it's a very demanding industry. 326 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think as well, when you're burnt out, 327 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: it's really hard to give the best version of you. 328 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: Now this bit, I'm so excited to ask you about 329 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: what made you want to go from this incredible time 330 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: working within the music industry from Sony then you went 331 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: to Warner and what made you go, No, I'm going 332 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: to create my own baby, I'm going to create private 333 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: idahome management. I read a quote where Dennis you looked 334 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: to Dennis for advice and he just said go for it. 335 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: Well, I mean look, it was nearly two decades by 336 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: the time that came about, and you know, I had 337 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: a young son at the time, and I wasn't really 338 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: seeing him. I was in running artist development and pr 339 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: at Warners at the time, and I was doing what 340 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: we call junkets, where you take Australian media over to 341 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: the States or to Europe and we interview people. And 342 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: I'd seen the world, and my gosh, have I seen 343 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 2: the world. It's just phenomenal. What the great things that 344 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: I got to do. And when I was asked to 345 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: do one more junk at one morning, I actually felt sick. 346 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: I was like, I looked at the CEO and inside me, 347 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: I just knew I didn't that my time was up. 348 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: And I sort of put it to him that I 349 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: thought it was you know, I said, look, it's not you, 350 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: it's me. And you know how we talk about long term, 351 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: you know, and I just said, I really genuinely believe 352 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: I have to give this a go and I want 353 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 2: to stay in the industry, but I need to look 354 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 2: at it from a different side. So yeah, I mean, 355 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: I love labels, I love what they represented, but it 356 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: was just time for me to fly separately. And it 357 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: was a really really scary time to do that, you know. 358 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: And and I you know, I people needed me to 359 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: get to an artist or needed me to get there 360 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: was always an outcome by associating themselves with me. And 361 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: so then it's really the gears kind of changed because 362 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 2: you know people, some people didn't ring me, and you know, 363 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: you kind and you can get yourself all in a 364 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: tangle about that and emotional and and you lose a 365 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: bit of idea when you leave a major corporation, you know. 366 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: But in the end, I'm so glad I had the 367 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: guts to do it. But trust me, you know, when 368 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: you have a team of people, you pay them first. 369 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: And there were hard times. There were hard times, you know. 370 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually love that you mentioned there were 371 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: hard times because I think we often see the highlight 372 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: reel and people don't see that kind of like blood, sweat, 373 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: tears that goes on behind the scenes. I love that 374 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: you said that it was quite scary. Now I geeked 375 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: out a bit and I dive deep into how you 376 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: name the company and it being named after an incredible 377 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: River of Phoenix movie, my own private Idaho. 378 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is the Gus Fans Bank movies. 379 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: And about it kind of like symbolizing taking risks for you. 380 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: We take risks in everything that we do. And I 381 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: just well, first I didn't I really did not want 382 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: to have to answer the phone and say, Jennifer Fontaine, 383 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: that was just traumatic for me. I felt I could 384 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: come up with something better than that. But I just 385 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: yeah to be able to say that you're taking risks 386 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: but your nurturing talent and you know, you're coming up 387 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: with some really interesting plans and helping people execute their dreams. Again, 388 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: I go back to the fact I'm just a facilitator. 389 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: But you know, I just I love planning, I love strategy, 390 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: and if I can find a pathway to help people 391 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: achieve their dreams, then that's pretty exciting. 392 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: I think you are so much more than a facilitator. 393 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I know I'm not the music well, but being on 394 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: the other side of it as talent technically, you sometimes 395 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: feel like such a commodity and you really feel like 396 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: a bit alone even with people that you're working with sometimes. 397 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: And you know, just before this podcast, we talked about 398 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: our mutual love for Jade Naglein and we work together professionally, 399 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: oh like six years ago, and she always told it 400 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: to me straight. She was my number one cheerleader and 401 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: she still is that today and as a result, we 402 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: have a really strong friendship. And I think when you 403 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: describe yourself as a facilitator, yes, absolutely, but you're also 404 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: the strength. You're providing strength, care and nurturing to this talent, 405 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: these talent, and you know, as talent, we can all 406 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: be a little bit sensitive and fragile and feel very 407 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable at times, and I think having someone like you 408 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: in our corners means that we can have a sense 409 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: of self worth and a sense of somebody having our 410 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: back as well as being a facilitator. So I think 411 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: you're almost like a bit of a spiritual guide or 412 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: something else as well. Well. 413 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: Some people I say to me, you know, when I 414 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: was studying, They're like, you know, what was the best 415 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: thing that you learned, And it's like psychology. And I 416 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: don't say that because I wish to you know, find 417 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: people and any dark secrets or anything like that. It's 418 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: just I think over time and some of this just 419 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: comes with maturity. You know, I've made mistakes. I haven't 420 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: necessarily always necessarily been super kind at times. You youth bite, 421 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, bites you in your ass sometimes. But what 422 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: I have learned is that it goes back to the 423 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: fact that you have to treat people the way you'd 424 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: like to be treated yourself. You have to be rational, 425 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: you need to be calm, you know. For me, particularly 426 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: when you're in personal management, you have to try and 427 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: find a solution for people. So if something doesn't happen, 428 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: go you know, well, I always take a moment and go, okay, 429 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: well what's plan B Let me explain why something's not 430 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: working and offer some solutions, because that's the big one. 431 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 2: If you can find solutions as well as staying calm, 432 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: then you have a that's when you get the pathway. 433 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 2: So I don't know, I get you know, I can't. 434 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: I can't really talk myself up other than the fact 435 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: that I really like what I do and I look 436 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: at things quite rationally. And you know, there's a few 437 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: things that people have taught me along the way, and 438 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: that is you know, I remember, you know, when it's 439 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: particularly in media, I used to ring up and say, hey, 440 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: would you like to do a phone with X and 441 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: the journalists? But like I'm really busy, I don't want 442 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: to shit. I've lost my window it's because I didn't 443 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: pitch it right. I didn't work that one through. It's like, 444 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: don't just say, hey, I've got time with X, say listen, 445 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: we can be on the phone. We can talk about this. 446 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: Would you like to? You know, this is why I 447 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: think it would be a really great story for your readers, 448 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: and really start to really develop what that pitch will be. 449 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: And that's how I kind of learned to be better 450 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: at what I did. And that's because great journalist friends, 451 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 2: you know, like Kathy McCabe and Cameron Adams music writers 452 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: of course, taught me to be better at my pitch 453 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: if I wanted an outcome. And so I just got 454 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: to learn that the story and all of that, it's 455 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: got to have stickiness on everyone's side. You know, you 456 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: can't just expect page one on the paper. It's got 457 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: to resonate with people, you know. And so that's kind 458 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: of how I learned along the way, just to be 459 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 2: better at what I did, because if you don't sell 460 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 2: the story or sell that moment, it's going to go 461 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: the momental pass. 462 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: And you've mentioned that you've got to surround yourself with 463 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: the right people, and just then you mentioned some of 464 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: your favorite journalists that you've worked with and they've taught 465 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: you how to pitch properly. To me, it's again that 466 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: like attracts like you're working with these people, but you've 467 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: also got a lot of mutual respect and together you're 468 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: more working as a team as opposed to just like 469 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: this is an idea, I want to get this out here. 470 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: It's like, how can we make this work for you 471 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: and your project or publication? So to me it feels 472 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: like bigger picture and like you're a big team. 473 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 2: Oh definitely. And the thing is too, is that you 474 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: have to understand the pressures out there in media or 475 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: you know, in any type of business. And frankly, you know, 476 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: for you to get the best outcome from people, you 477 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: do have to have a relationship. I mean, it's all 478 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: down to relationships, you know. And I guess that if 479 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: you can bring that into your personal life for anything 480 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: else that's going on as well, that helps, you know. 481 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 2: I mean, I've learned from some big obstacles that have 482 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: come my way as well, you know. 483 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: And I've heard you say there's no success without failure, 484 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: so no shortcuts. And like you mentioned, you see that 485 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: artist win that aria or give that perfect performance or 486 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: have that number one record, but there's been twenty other, 487 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, moments that have been missed out or hundreds 488 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: of nose before there is this moment in the limelight. 489 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: Look the thing, look, the thing is for me is 490 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: if you see an athlete get a gold or silver 491 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: or break their personal best. If you see an artist 492 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: you know, have a standing ovation. Look I get goosebunts 493 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: of those moments, a ball like a baby. And the 494 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: reason behind it is you're right. I mean, the thing 495 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: is is for that one moment of success, the amount 496 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: of hurt, sweat, blood, tears, rejection, all of those moments 497 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: have happened and we just not have been privy to them. 498 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: So for me, if I see someone else doing well, 499 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: I applaud them because the other thing is is you 500 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: cannot stay at that high level consistently. It's you know, 501 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: those moments come and go, but you have to try 502 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: and keep your law of averages just the little lower 503 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: so that you can always be consistently ready to seize 504 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: that opportunity the next time it comes and jump forward, 505 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: because if you get slack, then it's you're constantly climbing 506 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: the hill and you can't do that either. So you know, 507 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: I do drive my client's crazy and ask them to 508 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: get you know, get ahead of things and and and 509 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: be prepared. And then you know, and sometimes I'll say, oh, 510 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: I cop that, I'll cop that, and you know I 511 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: cop it too. It's not all it's not a one 512 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: way straight I've got a cop feedback, and so you 513 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: have to be open to it. So you know, I 514 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 2: do applaud that moment, that golden moment, but you know 515 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: a lot of the other thing I'd say is that 516 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: one thing I've learned is there's no such thing as 517 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: perfect I have. Okay, you can have a per moment. 518 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: You know, your brand might be selling perfectly, your coffee 519 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: for example, the music, the next single, whatever that is. 520 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: But perfection is a really dangerous thing to live. 521 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: And I'm also a subjective right it is. 522 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: And if you put yourself in that place, you can 523 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: have a perfect performance. Three minutes could run perfectly. But 524 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: otherwise I call bullshit. There's many other things around perfect 525 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: that you can surround yourself with, but don't live expecting 526 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: a perfect You have a perfect day, things can run 527 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: perfectly the plan, But if you live constantly only seeking perfection, 528 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: you'll be disappointed, you know, And I think that's just 529 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: the one thing that I really feel you have to watch. 530 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: I feel like you would love my acting school teachers. 531 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: They're like, guys, this is the Olympics. Stay ready, be prepared, 532 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: do the work, and then do a truckload more work. 533 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: That's so true. That's so true. 534 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I love that I have learned so much about discipline 535 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: from acting school one because it petrifies me, and you 536 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: still have to get up and give it your best 537 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: every time you're there. But also the expectation workload is high, 538 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: and it's making me realize, hey, Lola, you can work 539 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: harder now. I didn't want to do this interview without 540 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: asking you this next question, and I want to ask 541 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: about when you're at the Arias and everything was amazing 542 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: career wise, but your beautiful son Max will turn to 543 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: you and said something. Can you share something about that? 544 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we were just with the Night Human Nature 545 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: being inducted into Hall of Fame. I've worked with the 546 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: guys for nearly twenty years. I've managed them for nearly ten. 547 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: It was a momentous occasion, you know. Obviously a huge 548 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: amount of teamwork went into that for that opportunity for 549 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: the boys. They completely nailed their performance. You know, a 550 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: guy of course, was hosting the arias his wife, Jules 551 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: was hosting the red carpet. He wings song of the 552 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: Year out of the Blue. Couldn't believe it performs video 553 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: of the Year, and it was just all this really 554 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: glorious moment. My son and I hadn't been together for 555 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: five months because late last year, you know, behind the scenes, 556 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: my mom was in treatment back in Australia and I 557 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: pretty much set up camp with my brother and I 558 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: helping her through that. And that's really hard when you 559 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: freshly separated from your husband and divorced. And anyway, Maxwell 560 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: turned around backstage and it was PANDEMONI. It was fabulous, 561 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: you know, in the dressing rooms and guys there and 562 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: the boys and Dennis and the Sony family and media 563 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 2: and I don't know how the blue. He just turned 564 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: around to me and grabbed me and said, Mom, you know, 565 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of you. I'm just so proud 566 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: of you and all the sacrifices you make for me 567 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: and for us to have a better life. And I 568 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: just it was the best thing as a mom you 569 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: could ever be told, because I'm not a very traditional parent. 570 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: You know, I'm absent a lot, and it can be 571 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 2: really really hard, and you know, and he's such a 572 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: goal setter himself. And I was honestly the best thing 573 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: that I've ever heard my son say to me. I 574 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: just tears me up now, you know. Yeah. 575 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: So, and I bet that was better than any kind 576 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 1: of career highlight, having your son turn to you and 577 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: say and say that. And I'm pretty sure I got 578 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: to meet Maxia. 579 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah you did. Well. He's my tech, my tech guru. 580 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: Thank god. I was like, you know, I'm reaky to 581 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: find the powerpoints as a real moment, but you know, 582 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: it was, Yeah, and he's been He's just been fantastic, 583 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: you know, because I guess when you talk about failure, 584 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: my you know, one of my hardest things for me 585 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: is I was in close to a twenty year marriage 586 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: with Maxwell's father, and for you know, I guess I 587 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: never thought I'd be a statistic I'm the product of 588 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: a divorced you know mum who was a go getter, 589 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: and my ex was also from a dvor's family, and 590 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: I just think we just didn't see signposts that we 591 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: should have done. And I spent so much time helping 592 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: clients have their careers and achieve these goals. And then 593 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: I just realized I was incredibly lonely in my own 594 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: marriage and twouldn't And then I just thought to myself 595 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: to actually have to admit that my marriage was failing? 596 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: Was I felt like, was I'm a failure? And I 597 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: felt really compromised. And you know, then one day I 598 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 2: just thought, I'm so lonely in my own marriage. Why 599 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: am I fearing being on my own? You know, like 600 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: if you're that lonely, and we just erode it. And 601 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: so for me, I learned that I had to wake 602 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: up because I think the last years of my life 603 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: I was in a coma and yet all this professional 604 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: success and so I wasn't balanced and I have to 605 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: acknowledge that. And sometimes I still feel guilty today, But 606 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 2: you know, and there were times last year where I 607 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: was in fetal position in my bed, not being able 608 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 2: to get out of it. And that's the truth. You 609 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: can't sit here and say your life is perfect. It 610 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: was far from perfect. And the one reason I got 611 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: up every day was to teach my son that no 612 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: matter what you're going through, you've got to get out 613 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: of bed. You've got to make that bed, and you've 614 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 2: got to try and make things happen, to change the 615 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: groove or the bad groove, which was my groove, and 616 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: make it better. And I'm thankful because my clients. I 617 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: didn't tell them for a long time, but eventually I 618 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: had to and they put a world of love around me. 619 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: And I had to teach myself to laugh again and 620 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: have fun inside, you know, because you're obviously in the 621 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: health space. You know how important that is, because if 622 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: you're not laughing on the inside, there's a lot of 623 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: problems that are going on. And you see, my industry 624 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: is full of putting on you no matter what and 625 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: exterior and that's hard for an artist too. They're going 626 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: through sometimes in their days they have to sing and 627 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 2: they have to communicate on a day when they don't 628 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: really want to. But it's their job, you know, to 629 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 2: give pleasure to other people. And I it was my 630 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: job to make all these things happen. And I realized, 631 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: you know what, Jen, you didn't check yourself and I 632 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 2: didn't check myself. 633 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: I know you mentioned guilt in there, but when I 634 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: hear this story, I hear courage, and I hear resilience too, 635 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: things we kind of mentioned at the beginning of this interview. 636 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: And I think that it would have taken a huge 637 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: amount of courage to be like, hang on a minute, 638 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right for me. I need to value myself. 639 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: And then I think also with that would have come 640 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: the health and the working out as well. Do you 641 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: do you know when Jane sent through your bio, she 642 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: sent through these amazing photos of you, and she's like 643 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: so good and then and then I'm keixting going like, 644 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: oh my god, she's so hot. So it was a 645 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: mutual appreciation of all your hard work. 646 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. It's just well, I can't do yoga. I'm 647 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: telling you right now, I'd fail on a yoga matt 648 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: next to you, I'm a pumper on iron. 649 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: But I didn't. 650 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 2: I think it's just look, whatever's your fancy. I realized 651 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: that I wasn't living a well rounded life and I 652 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: and I had to really cop that myself, and I said, well, 653 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: you have to cop it on the chin. I had 654 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: to cop that on my chin and I'm still a 655 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: work in progress out of that. But I have to 656 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: tell you, I do laugh more. And it's not my 657 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: ex's fault. You know, he's already in another relationship, and 658 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: that's all fine, and you know, we've made this incredible 659 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: sum together. But I really realized that you just have 660 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 2: to stop and check yourself because if I want to 661 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: be better, and I still got a lot of life 662 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: left into me, I have to be better at check myself. 663 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: And so it came about also, you know, because our 664 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: the blue you know, my mom and her treatment was 665 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: you know, like this is the strongest, most resilient woman 666 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: and she still refuses to use the C word. It's 667 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 2: a very annoying disease that she's quite frankly squashing. And 668 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: I have to tell you, you know, there was a moment 669 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: where I was in my double denim and my slides 670 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 2: and looked pretty good and Mum sasheyed into the chemo 671 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: ward at the same time, and she was head to 672 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 2: toe dripping with her ears, you know, earrings in and 673 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 2: everything like that. And you know, it's not it's not 674 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: a happy place, a chemo world, and there were some 675 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 2: poor individuals, you know, under the blankets and income. This 676 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: mother and daughter team, let me tell you, we sash 677 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: down that ward a mom. Know, we sat in this 678 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: chair and we we just she owned and still does 679 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: own the treatment, you know, and I think she's a 680 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: lesson that she will not be defined. And I just 681 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: love that. 682 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think you've got some of you your strength, 683 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 1: your resilience, and your tenacity from your mum? 684 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, one hundred percent. And I also have it, 685 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 2: you know, in artists and the music industry, because this 686 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: is one of the most resilient industries that it's there 687 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: to help people no matter what. Music's there when you 688 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: get married, when you lose someone at a party, you know, 689 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 2: when you need a moment, particularly around this current circumstances. 690 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: Music's been so powerful for me and for everyone, And 691 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: so I learn resilience from a really unique terrain. And 692 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: let me tell you, if I have wanted to give 693 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: I could. There's been so many times where I thought 694 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: I could have given up, but I just decided I 695 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: love this too much that you can't give up. But 696 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, I've gone many routes where I thought what 697 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: else could I be doing, you know, And I always 698 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: just come back to this because it makes me happy. 699 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 2: It's so weird that it makes me happy. But trust me, 700 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 2: there's struggles. There's definitely struggles. 701 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: And you've got such a full plate as well, because 702 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: you split your time between Sydney and Los Angeles, and 703 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: then you've got different time zones on top of that. 704 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: But I did this thing where I listened to another 705 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: podcast with you on it, and that's my golden rule. 706 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: I'd never listened to other podcasts because I don't want 707 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: my questions to be the same. But I did this 708 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: with you because I was so nervous to have you on. 709 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: And I heard you say that you have eight minutes 710 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: in the morning to practice gratitude. Is that right? 711 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 2: I try to. Yeah, I do. I mean sometimes it's 712 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 2: I have to say in the last couple of weeks. 713 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a little less, but then other times it's 714 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 2: a lot more. The mindfulness is I live with two 715 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 2: mobile phones. Both of them are kept on. Ones went 716 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 2: to be American, ones meant to be strained. You clearly 717 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 2: should turn one of them off. I never do. Then 718 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 2: I have a laptop. Then I have my PC, and 719 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 2: so I'm constantly stimulated. And so now for me I 720 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: wake up. And especially last year when it had so 721 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: many challenges, I decided I had to speak to some 722 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 2: higher powers, firstly about help and then secondly about what 723 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: I was grateful for. And I know gratitude list can 724 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 2: be a little corny these days, but it's more just 725 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 2: again for me, I have to find my reason and 726 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: my purpose. And when you live two lives in two 727 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 2: different cities and it is a little relentless, I just 728 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: wanted to make sure I could set the tone of 729 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 2: my day, because your tone of your day can get 730 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 2: quite quickly shifted, you know, one bad phone, called, one email, 731 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 2: one crisis or whatever. And so yeah, I do. I 732 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 2: just I take that time apart from exercise, apart from 733 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: my son and the two dogs that we have here 734 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 2: in La. 735 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: I can see one of those big fluffy dogs behind 736 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: size of horses. 737 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 2: They're the dew likes dogs. So the big olding is 738 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: sheep dogs good. I love them. So I just I'm obsessed. 739 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with animals. But so I just I do 740 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: this time for myself, because it's so easy to rush 741 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: out of bed, be late for yoga, be late for 742 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 2: the gym, be late for business, you know, or be 743 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 2: late to put the kettle on. And it's just taught 744 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 2: me and slowed me down a little bit. I do 745 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 2: need to slow down. I try and check my nighttimes. 746 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: That's an interesting one because I do. I don't want 747 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 2: to let my team down in Australia, so I tend 748 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: to go to bed, you know, my midnight one o'clock 749 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: most times here in La so I can do predominantly 750 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 2: an Australian work day on top of mine. So it's 751 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 2: a little bit of a juggle. But you know, if 752 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: you're going to have an interesting life, there are some 753 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 2: consequences to that. So you just have to find the time. 754 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: And I think it's about your perspective too. I mean 755 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: you each day you have your time for gratitude and 756 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: mindfulness and then you've got your Australiana time, you've got 757 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: your Los Angeles time. And I think that and obviously 758 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: an incredibly high workload, but that's a testament to you 759 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: representing some of the biggest artists in our country. You know, 760 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: like you've got you guys Sebastian and then Human Nature. 761 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: And were you managing them when they started their residency 762 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: in Vegas? 763 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 2: No, so they started earlier in Vegas. I was part 764 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 2: of the I was on media side of things, so 765 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: they were already established there and now I've joined them 766 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: with you know, two different concept shows and obviously came 767 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 2: over here to really develop them. But you know, for 768 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 2: them too, we're in obviously this time with the coronavirus 769 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 2: has been really, really difficult for them. So we're behind 770 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 2: the scenes, you know, with a show that's reliant five 771 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 2: nights a week, they're you know, on average, forty weeks 772 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 2: a year plus touring back in Australia. You know, they're 773 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: one of the greats that have been severely affected. You know, 774 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,760 Speaker 2: because in this time where you can't congregate for anything, 775 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 2: you know, more than ten people, well that's clearly means 776 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: that the show is not on and you know, an 777 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 2: average audience you know, forty plus for them on a 778 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: live scale, much younger in certain other areas. You know, 779 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 2: it's it's a really difficult time to navigate. So behind 780 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 2: the scenes we're working hard. But you have never I 781 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 2: have to say, these four men, they have integrity by 782 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: the bucket load. The way they'd communicate with each other 783 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: as extraordinary. Yeah, they're strong, but you know, their contacts extraordinary. 784 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 2: We are We've got lots of different versions of what 785 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 2: we're trying to do with We're you know, trying to 786 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 2: reach the fans, you know, keep keep working and striving 787 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 2: for something new, and that takes time, and that takes teamwork. 788 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 2: So you know, for me, yeah, they're incredible. So we've 789 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 2: got the Vagas story as well. Obviously, you know, it's 790 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: really just down to navigating. And I have to say that, 791 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 2: you know, for so many people in our industry right now, Lola, 792 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: they're hurting. You know, we're talking our crew, you know, 793 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: lighting tech, our production team, glam squads, creative people. They're 794 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 2: just out of work and we have to find a way. 795 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 2: And so for me too, sure, it's difficult being isolated 796 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 2: in America. It's a law of numbers and it's really frightening. 797 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 2: And I'm so happy to see everyone at home doing 798 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 2: so well in the country having responded. Australia and New 799 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 2: Zealand were phenomenal in their response and control. But you know, 800 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 2: look at the airlines. These are all part of our 801 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 2: high and so for me, I'm just I want to 802 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 2: try and raise awareness. There's obviously Support Act, which is 803 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: you know, helping the mental health for the people in 804 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 2: the creative industries and services, because there are people really 805 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 2: struggling right now and for now, you know, but the 806 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 2: artists themselves, it's just it's really it's diabolical. So it's 807 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 2: so great, podcasts, streaming, you know, all these ways of 808 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 2: now interacting with everyone virtually. Zoom is obviously clearly going off, 809 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 2: but you know that's we have to come up with 810 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 2: a new way yet again of reaching our fans and 811 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,280 Speaker 2: having our business. 812 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: So I'm so glad you mentioned mental health. And I think, 813 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: especially as artists and creatives, there's a very sensitive side. 814 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: And I think even right now when there's so much 815 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: uncertainty for me, mental health is my non negotiable and 816 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: the way that you lift ways and it's part of 817 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: your daily routine. Like I call seeing my therapist once 818 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: a week as my gym for the brain, and it's 819 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 1: completely non negotiable, and it means that I can handle 820 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: rejection much clearer and less with less emotion, and I 821 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: let go of it much faster. And I just think 822 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: as a creative, I think looking after your mental health 823 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: is a hallmark, like so so important. Do you kind 824 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: of agree with that? 825 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 2: Oh? Completely? I mean again, it's just down to providing 826 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 2: an ability to communicate. You know, I think in our industry, 827 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 2: any form of it, whether you're in television, radio, print, 828 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 2: obviously music, for me. We're here to take people away 829 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 2: from there every day and give them hope. And what 830 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 2: you have to understand is whether you're a road or 831 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 2: a tech person, you get on with that job no 832 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 2: matter what the hell is going on. And these people 833 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 2: work so hard. So I feel that Australians that she'll 834 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 2: be right is always can be a devil and a 835 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 2: curse for our culture because it's not always right. It's 836 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 2: actually not always right. And so you know, another thing 837 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 2: I've learned is listen to your gut and know when 838 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 2: people are hurting, and you can you can feel it. 839 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 2: We check in. We're checking in. You know a lot 840 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 2: of guys team aren't working right now, and so we 841 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 2: try and check in with each other. The Human Nature 842 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 2: boys are doing zooms with their band and with their 843 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 2: crew in Vegas, so they can, you know, check in, 844 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 2: and guys done so much to reach out to his 845 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 2: own team, and we send each other silly memes and gifts. 846 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 2: And I know that sounds stupid, but like if we 847 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 2: don't have our humor, we got nothing Like I am 848 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 2: tragically twisted in my sense of humor. 849 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: I love that though I actually I have a fangirl. 850 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: Sorry about guy I was probably eighteen years old and 851 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: I was working in this fashion store in Grevel Street, 852 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: Paran and we were dressing Guy. He'd just come off 853 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,479 Speaker 1: Idle and we were dressing Guy for the TV show 854 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 1: Rove and he got swamped to the point that like 855 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,439 Speaker 1: the shop was completely full of people. This super fan 856 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: had a picture of his head on the side of 857 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: a tote bag and they were like not maulinga all everybody. 858 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: He was the kindest guy to everyone, to me, to 859 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: everybody that wanted to speak to him. He had time 860 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: for everyone. And going back to what you said at 861 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: the start, it's like you're working with people and what 862 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: you see is what you get. And I felt like 863 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: that was also how Guy was. He was just very 864 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: genuine and. 865 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,280 Speaker 2: Kind and definitely I mean he and his wife, Jules 866 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,800 Speaker 2: Juels is the most extraordinary woman. I always say if 867 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 2: the world could have more Jewels Sebastian in it, it 868 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 2: would be a better place because she gives women a 869 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 2: great name. And Guy and Jules are just you know, 870 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 2: they always say that you know, they know their roots, 871 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 2: they know where they came from, their family based people. 872 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 2: You know, they love their families and they know they 873 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: have a great sense of who they are, so what 874 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 2: they've worked for, they worked hard for, but they always 875 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 2: give back and do so many things. If we can 876 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: come or come from a place of kindness and yeah, 877 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 2: yeah we can still have a love still take the mickey. 878 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 2: We're not perfect, but if you come with it again, 879 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 2: set that tone and be genteel. The world is a 880 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 2: lot more kindness in it right now, and I think, 881 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,720 Speaker 2: you know, expressing that and making feel people feel confident 882 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 2: is something amazing, you know, like it's just I think 883 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 2: when things come full circle, it's just it makes things 884 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 2: just more powerful. 885 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: It really does totally. Can you believe It's nearly the 886 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: end of this episode and I cannot let you leave 887 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: or disconnect since we're doing this online, until I ask 888 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: you about I think we share a similar obsession, and 889 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: that is with dogs and animals. I grew up literally 890 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,359 Speaker 1: on top of a vetiny clinics. My dad's a vet 891 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: and my bedroom was above the vet clinic, and so 892 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: I've got a big love of animals and I think 893 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 1: that especially dogs teach us unconditional love. And I know 894 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: you love your dogs. Do you think that they are 895 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,439 Speaker 1: teachers in like mindfulness? And they can kind of teach 896 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: us peace. 897 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. And also forgiveness, immediate forgiveness. That's the 898 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 2: other thing we have to do. You know, you're just 899 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 2: one of my great mentors who's a great friend of mine. 900 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,839 Speaker 2: He and she lives in la She was the head 901 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 2: of international for Warner Brothers. And when the ship used 902 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 2: to hit the fan, she'd say, Jen, snap out of it. 903 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 2: Put it in a box tied up with string, throw 904 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 2: it out the window. And it was so true, you know. 905 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I go back to my dogs. Obviously 906 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 2: they helped me count my steps, very important because my 907 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 2: personal trainer nails me on that one. But I just 908 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 2: love the peace and the stability they give you. I 909 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 2: would if I could be a vet and I be 910 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 2: that smart, that would sit heaven to me. In my 911 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: next life. I need to come back and be full 912 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 2: time with animals. I've even thought it, he says. You know, 913 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,880 Speaker 2: the dog walking vans you see now with everyone. Whenever 914 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 2: I have a really hard day and I'm going to 915 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 2: get a dog walking van, I'm off to going. That's 916 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 2: my next job. Maybe when I you know, maybe I 917 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 2: have to retire, I'll have a second win. I don't know, 918 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's a blessing having animals. I think it 919 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 2: really is. 920 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: My dad has the same has the same thing, and 921 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,839 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm going to sell the clinique and I'm 922 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: going to move to Talkie and I'll be a dog walker. 923 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 2: Can you believe it? 924 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,439 Speaker 1: We're at the end and you have shared so much 925 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 1: of yourself with There's so many nuggets of information, so 926 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: many gems. I've been taking notes as well, and I'm like, 927 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,200 Speaker 1: it's all relationships and I've highlighted it. So thank you 928 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: so much for everything you've shared. Is there one last 929 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: little tip bit of information or mantra you're working with 930 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: at the moment that you want to share with the listeners. 931 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 2: I was thinking about that the other day and I 932 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 2: just really feel like that, more than anything at the moment, 933 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 2: don't make too many comparisons, you know, be really, really 934 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 2: be mindful that there's really only one person that's you, 935 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 2: So be happy with you because you only get to 936 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 2: live that life. And if you can remember that, it's 937 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 2: just such a short time. So don't try and control 938 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 2: your life. And the only thing you probably can be 939 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 2: better at mastering is your response to what life leads 940 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 2: and gives you. Because I think if you can find 941 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 2: the positive out of that, find the laughter, and just 942 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 2: remember to love people. I know that sounds really tacky, 943 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,359 Speaker 2: but I've really learned to love myself a little bit 944 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 2: more and it makes me love what is around me 945 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 2: and what I do. 946 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: More perfectly, said Jen Fontein. 947 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, an honor kidding me. 948 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: It has been an absolute dream to have you on 949 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: this podcast, and I cannot wait to see you in 950 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: real life very soon. 951 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I please come to your place and you 952 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 2: make me some of those smoothies that you do. I'm trying. 953 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 2: I have flagged so many of your recipes it's a scene. 954 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 2: And look, I have one small thing I have to 955 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 2: admit to. I've stopped drinking coffee a while back. But 956 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 2: if you could just expand to a either a collagen 957 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,479 Speaker 2: type of thing that we can put in there into 958 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,400 Speaker 2: your extra smoothies. Please, I'm going to be there with 959 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 2: you like nobody's business. We're on at both friend we 960 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 2: need a lolaberry tea because that's also else. Thank you, 961 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,359 Speaker 2: You're amazing, and thank you so much for having me. 962 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so so much. I can see why 963 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,840 Speaker 1: I was so nervous at the start of this because 964 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,919 Speaker 1: you have achieved so much, you're so passionate, but you're 965 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 1: so giving and it's I think that's very very rare. 966 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: So thank you. You're wonderful and can't wait to cross 967 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: paths again. 968 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 2: So we'll catch up one I'm in Australia. 969 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 970 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,839 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation 971 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yumo Lolaberry. This potty my word 972 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love 973 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rate and comment and of 974 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 1: course spread the love. Boo