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Speaker 1: Oh? I can hear you? And I'm you. You've gone

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Speaker 1: away and I was so enjoying seeing Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 3: Hi God, Hello, have we disappeared off your screen? That's

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Speaker 2: Well you you're back, now we're back.

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Speaker 1: Can I Can I firstly say, I know you're recording,

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Speaker 4: Hello, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy the Millennial. He's walked out, he's.

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Speaker 5: Joking, he's joking, he's doing our technical things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Can I just say and I please record away,

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Speaker 1: record away, because I am so thrilled to be talking

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Speaker 1: to Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 3: Oh you lovely?

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Speaker 5: Actually, can I begin by saying I was at your

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Speaker 5: wedding of sorts. I was working on a television program

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Speaker 3: It was the most thrilling day.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I do think it's really cool that

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think it is cool because we've

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just know that it's extraordinary what you've achieved. And

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Speaker 1: I've always wanted my own radio show, by the way,

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Speaker 1: So if you just want to put it out there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised you haven't been off at one.

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Speaker 5: You've really you know, you were such a great chatter,

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Speaker 3: You expressed yourself beautifully.

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Speaker 5: I'm really surprised you haven't been offered one.

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Speaker 1: But maybe I can be a contributor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it could be a thing. I'd be happy for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe a Jonesy and Amanda could could sort

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Speaker 1: of beam in to Fergie here in England for the

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.

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Speaker 4: Can you back announce? John Cougar Mellencamp. If you could

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Speaker 2: Then we're ready or rock set or any of.

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Speaker 1: A bit seriously. So, in fact, I was just checking

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Speaker 1: does anyone call you Brendan?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Amanda does what I'm in trouble.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: And your mother, I think.

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Speaker 2: My mother she says, oh, Brendan, please, do you have to.

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Speaker 4: She calls me, mister Jonesy, you're sexy.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I'm so, you know what, Sarah,

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Speaker 3: It's a great breed, it really is.

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Speaker 5: It's there were many parallels to you. I remember she's

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Speaker 5: There's a great scene in the book where she has

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Speaker 5: Obviously you're wonderful and I'll hold you to that when

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