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Speaker 1: But I know from the Left faction that Chancey Paike

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Speaker 1: That is the question I think on everybody's lips. So

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Speaker 1: as well, where you can certainly let us know who

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Speaker 1: you think would be the best person for the top job.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 1: the Independent member for Ara lun Good morning, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. What a shamuzzle, oh Robin, gee whiz?

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Speaker 1: Did you think that this year was going to end

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Speaker 1: in this way? Because you and I sent each other

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Speaker 1: Chrisstmas messages last week and we thought it was pretty

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Speaker 1: well done and dust it.

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Speaker 2: We thought we were on the home run. But there's

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Speaker 2: another race to be run apparently that come out of

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Speaker 2: less field for most people, I think, and it's extraordinary

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Speaker 2: that on Christmas Eve, literally we're having to talk about

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. We are talking about things that don't

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Speaker 1: matter as much to territorians as like the issues of crime,

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Speaker 1: and we continue to grapple with. But Robin, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Look, I listened to you say that before, Katie, and

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Speaker 2: Natasha Philes created this problem one percent herself unnecessarily. She

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Speaker 2: has thrown herself under the bus. The opposition, the likes

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Speaker 2: to play in any of it. She's crucified herself and

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Speaker 2: she's gone. Now. It's just the most extraordinary story I

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Speaker 2: think I've heard of for a very long time. And

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Speaker 2: now we have this competition between a group of very

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Speaker 1: But it truly is right like we're in an extraordinary

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Speaker 1: situation where just days out from Christmas we're now trying

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty ordinary horse race as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Manison is obviously the default position. She's been

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have any interest in any of them.

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Speaker 2: Someone asked me yesterday who would I like to lead

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Speaker 2: any of them. So from a Central Australian perspective, it

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Speaker 2: does not matter which one they choose. From my perspective,

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Speaker 2: I mean laying it out all on.

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Speaker 1: The table, though, Robin, like, if you look at at

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Speaker 1: you know the three names that I'm being told are

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is the best option?

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Speaker 2: Well, Chancey Peig is radical and quite frankly dangerous. He

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Speaker 2: All I see of Eva is when I go up

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Speaker 1: There's been there has been more than one occasion where

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I've witnessed all that and I can't quite

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Speaker 2: Scratch the surface and there's not much there. She certainly

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Speaker 2: an obvious default position, Nicole Manison is the one that

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Speaker 2: what about an outsider? What about putting someone totally different

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Speaker 2: it's a poison Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and also Robin, don't forget. He is still wearing

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Speaker 2: I'd be giving it to him because I think the

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Speaker 2: others have made mistakes. You do inevitably make mistakes when

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Speaker 1: Well, Robin, insiders are telling me at the moment that

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Speaker 2: Disaster, an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 1: And Robin, look, I think it's worth pointing out and look,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, if there's any any radical decision to be made,

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Speaker 2: huge mistake for Labor. But look, if that's how stupid

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Speaker 2: going into the election year next year. It's dumb, I think,

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Speaker 2: But now I think what we've seen play out over

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Speaker 2: it's just not the same probably, Robin.

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Speaker 1: I know that you and I and so many of

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Speaker 1: want to take us back a step and to ask you,

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Speaker 1: you know you've been in politics for a long time,

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Speaker 1: what do you think that this disruption means for the

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it breaks confidence. This Labor government has

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Speaker 2: when you see something like that happen, you know that

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Speaker 2: more than just getting on with the job. I've seen

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Speaker 2: it all before, of course, we saw it happen through

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Speaker 2: falling apart. They are not holding it together and it

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Speaker 2: It's all over Sky News, It's all over the ABC News.

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Speaker 2: What's going on. It's just another indication that the Northern

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Speaker 2: but now you've got a government that's lost its wheels.

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Speaker 1: Robin, we are going to have to wrap up. But

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Speaker 1: I've got a message here that says, after your interview

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Speaker 1: with Lanley, I'm changing my vote to her. What Robin

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Speaker 1: Lamley for Chief Minister? Now that's an outsider. That text

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Speaker 2: That's very flattering. But yeah, anyway, I'm speakless, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: have a lovely Christmas and I can't wait to see

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Speaker 2: what happens with this whole debark. Let's let's hold on

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Speaker 2: to them the race over the finish line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Robin Lamley, we always appreciate your time. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: all the time that you give up for us each

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Speaker 1: and every year. Thank you so much, have a lovely

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Speaker 1: Christmas and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you my pleasure. Thanks