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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday morning, time for the Big issues, and

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Speaker 1: the big issue is brought to you by Kolano Community Association.

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Speaker 2: Dug an hair, Dave already talking.

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Speaker 1: Brought to you by Kolano Community Association, an aboriginalaned operated

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Speaker 1: and community lead organization from the top end to Tenant Creek. Right,

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Speaker 1: Mike's on now, good morning to you, Dave Tolner and

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Speaker 1: David to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I was just saying today of blacks today.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, Here we go. It's unbelievable. He's even

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Speaker 4: got notes. He had notes for a decade and it's

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Speaker 4: been excited two years, ten years. I want to take

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Speaker 4: a photo of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled that Dave's coming with notes.

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Speaker 5: And the rules.

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Speaker 4: Though about notes, we don't have notes.

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Speaker 2: There was too much good stuff I take note being

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Speaker 2: handed down. You've got to have notes.

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Speaker 4: I've taken photos of Dave Tolner has brought notes into

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Speaker 4: the studio first time. Even when he was treasurer, he

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Speaker 4: never bought notes in.

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Speaker 5: I did bring into discs hydrogen.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, that's right. You have bought notes.

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Speaker 4: Really would use notes, and that's what used to upset

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Speaker 4: Adam Gyles so much because he wouldn't stick to the

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Speaker 4: speaking points. He's got notes today. So I'm looking forward

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Speaker 4: to this. Hold down the desk, Hold down the desk.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the budget. And this is the whole

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Speaker 1: reason why I've got you guys into a Wednesday Wednesday

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Speaker 1: rather than our Tuesday, because the budget was handed down yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Michael Gonna delivered that budget and.

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Speaker 1: It does look as though we have got well, we've

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Speaker 1: got a GST wind full seven hundred and thirty eight

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Speaker 1: million flowing into the Territory's coffers over the current and

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Speaker 1: upcoming financial years as the national GST.

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Speaker 2: Pool has grown.

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Speaker 1: There is some good news, you'd have to say, significant

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Speaker 1: improvements in debt and deficit levels, but we still have

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Speaker 1: a one point four billion dollar deficit for the upcoming

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Speaker 1: financial year. The territory's net debt is expected to reach

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Speaker 1: nine billion dollars in twenty twenty one to twenty two.

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Speaker 1: That's one billion dollars better than previously forecast. It's going

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Speaker 1: to expand though, to eleven point four billion dollars by

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Speaker 1: the end of the Ford Estimates period. Now, I've got

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, some of these numbers, I think

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Speaker 1: that most everyday Territorian is like myself. You hear them

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Speaker 1: and you grapple to understand exactly what it all means,

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Speaker 1: which is why I thought, well, I'll ask the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister straight off the bat this morning, how much does

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Speaker 1: that mean that we're actually borrowing a day? And how

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Speaker 1: much is that in interest a day? He said it

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Speaker 1: is just over a million dollars in interest. He didn't

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Speaker 1: have the figure of how much it is per day

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Speaker 1: because he said that we borrow in a lump sum

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Speaker 1: rather than it being a daily figure.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I suppose for me, I try.

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Speaker 1: To make it as understandable as possible for people, and

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Speaker 1: the way that I try to do that is by

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Speaker 1: looking at how you manage a household budget. I suppose

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Speaker 1: because most of us have one of those.

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Speaker 5: That's true, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: What's take boys on the budget?

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Speaker 4: I've found it interesting, like the budget's a great time

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Speaker 4: for all the CEOs and industry leaders to have their

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Speaker 4: say basically and what do you get out of it?

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Speaker 4: And I've listened to the different ones from Quinton Killing's

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Speaker 4: Dave Malone and what Dave Malone was saying was really true.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that just need to start

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Speaker 4: to happen, and we've heard about, you know, projects, we've

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Speaker 4: We need to start to have this stuff happening. So

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Speaker 4: you'll always get the industry heads. There's winners and losers

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Speaker 4: in the budget, but the reality in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 4: budget is probably eighty percent of the money's already allocated

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Speaker 4: year on year, whether it's education, health, infrastructure, housing, roads,

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Speaker 4: corrections and police. So there's very little left when you

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Speaker 4: come to trimming up the smallest sort of stakeholders anyway,

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Speaker 4: as Dave will be able to allude to better than

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Speaker 4: me as a former treasurer. Will get excited over the debt,

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Speaker 4: and I think any sort of debt people worry about it.

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Speaker 4: But the big numbers will be out next Wednesday when

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Speaker 4: we look at the national debt as a whole, and

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Speaker 4: all states, all territories are currently running deficit budgets and

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Speaker 4: racking up debt, and it's happening right.

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Speaker 5: Across the world.

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Speaker 1: I suppose the differences we were before, we were doing

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Speaker 1: that before COVID Day, weren't we Well, if.

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Speaker 4: You look at we were, well.

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Speaker 2: If you look at quite high.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if you look at what's going to occur

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Speaker 4: in our federal budget will be no different to what

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Speaker 4: we've got here, except on a much larger scale.

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Speaker 2: We're stretching.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're not talking about that.

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Speaker 4: We're just wanting to maintain the rage until next Wednesday

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Speaker 3: Well, we're not talking about the federal budget at this

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Speaker 3: point in time. Next Wednesday we'll be doing that. And

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Speaker 3: you know, the federal budget obviously has a big impact

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Speaker 3: on the Northern Territory, probably greater than any other jurisdiction

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Speaker 3: in the country. But let's not kidd ourselves. Territory government

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Speaker 3: is responsible for its budget and how it cuts its cloth.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately that's what we're looking at with Michael Gunner's budget,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say it was just eye watering.

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Speaker 3: I think in the extremes the one point four billion

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Speaker 3: dollar deficit. You know, you say our debt position is

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Speaker 3: better than what better than what it was budget? I mean,

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Speaker 3: we've still got one point four billion dollar deficit, which means,

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Speaker 3: you know, we've got one point four billion dollars we

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Speaker 3: shortfall in our current budget nine billion dollars worth of debt.

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Speaker 3: Debt to revenue ratio of one hundred and twenty two percent. Now,

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Speaker 3: when we left government just five years ago, it was

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Speaker 3: twenty five percent. We left them in a situation of

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Speaker 3: less than one point seven billion, under two billion in debt.

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Speaker 3: It's now nine billion yesterday. This is the extreme way

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Speaker 3: that Gunner treats us as mugs in the territory. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he came out and he talked about he's putting in

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Speaker 3: place a debt ceiling, not just a debt ceiling, but

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Speaker 3: a hard ceiling, a hard debt ceiling. We're not going

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Speaker 3: to go over fifteen billion. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 3: mean that is seriously, that is that is astronomical, and

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Speaker 3: it treats us all like fools. It treats us like

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Speaker 3: absolute idiots. This idea that he also comes out and says, oh,

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Speaker 3: we're going to sack CEOs who exceed their budget. Well,

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Speaker 3: hang on, what about sacking ministers? What about ministers taking

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Speaker 3: a little bit of responsibility for their portfolio.

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Speaker 5: So trouble is you.

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Speaker 3: See in this budget, what he announced yesterday is that

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Speaker 3: there's no spending cuts.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: He says it's not a time for austerity, right, says

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Speaker 3: that there's actually no cuts to spending. But at the

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Speaker 3: same time he's going to say he's going to sack

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Speaker 3: CEOs he go a cent over their budget. Meanwhile, ministers

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Speaker 3: who roll in with the most hair brain schemes, nothing

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Speaker 3: happens to them. Well, you know, it's a complete and arta.

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Speaker 3: Joe could treat us like complete and art of mugs.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that obviously the government is

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Speaker 1: around four hundred million dollars across a number of years

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Speaker 1: with that pay freeze to the public service.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to call it early. I don't reckon that's

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, none of this is going to gets

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Speaker 5: thousand thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Still, they're still getting one thousand dollars bonus is what

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Speaker 2: it's been called.

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Speaker 1: But you telling me that, you know in three years

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Speaker 1: when we're going back to an election, that the government's

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Speaker 1: going to keep that here, Well here we go, we go.

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Speaker 3: You're going to try and keep a pay freeze in place.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be sacking CEO's who go and spend

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Speaker 3: a cent more and yet they announced yesterday they're going

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Speaker 3: to employ another one. This one will be the investment

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Speaker 3: attraction commissioner. Get that they're going to employ an investment

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Speaker 3: attraction commissioner. You know, you wonder what this fellow is

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Speaker 3: be saying to people when they're trying to interract investment.

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Speaker 5: Oh, come and check out being so well laid with.

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Speaker 3: Go and ask our on shore gas industry about the moratorium.

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Speaker 5: You know, see if that helps your industry.

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Speaker 3: Asked, Oh, mate, who's trying to do the development on

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Speaker 3: Gardens Hill? You know where the Darwin's a good place

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Speaker 3: for investment. I mean, these people, it's complete and out

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Speaker 3: of madness. The way Michael Garner is treating Territorious, it's

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Speaker 3: an absolute disgrace. Listen, he mentioned he mentioned three major

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Speaker 3: projects in his speech. Three major projects. The first one

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Speaker 3: there's a Tindall project. Right, all three of them now

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Speaker 3: you talk about the federal budget like, all three of

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Speaker 3: them are totally dependent on the federal government. Barrossa is

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Speaker 3: an offshore oil and gas resource totally controlled by the

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Speaker 3: Commonwealth government. All the taxes go to the Commonwealth, the

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Speaker 3: royalties go to the Commonwealth, all of the benefits go

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Speaker 3: to the Comwealth. The infrastructure for that Barossa is already

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Speaker 3: in place on shore. It's going into d LNG. The

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Speaker 3: ship lift one hundred percent government money funded by mostly

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Speaker 3: the Commonwealth, Tyndall funded by the commonwalth. All of these

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Speaker 3: things appear is they are the three projects that he mentioned.

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Speaker 3: You know, there are the three big major projects on

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Speaker 3: the boil and it's all someone else's money. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the fuller is an absolute disgrace. He talks about growing

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Speaker 3: the economy but never committing to cut any spending. There's

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Speaker 3: no recourse on themselves. They blatantly breached the Financial Integrity

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Speaker 3: and Transparency Act, Sorry, Fiscal Integrity and Transparency Act. There's

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Speaker 3: no recourse on the politicians. There's no recourse on Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 3: It's just a disgrace.

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Speaker 1: I guess the argument, you know, the argument will be

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Speaker 1: through the lists. I guess the argument, you know, from

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Speaker 1: the government at this point would be that if they

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Speaker 1: make those cuts, you know, during what has been a

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Speaker 1: difficult year for going on from COVID, that it's going

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Speaker 1: to have a hugely detrimental impact on the northern territory

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Speaker 1: and might see people leave, might see the population decline.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying.

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Speaker 3: To find some efficiencies within the public service. How about

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Speaker 3: trying to spur on some private investment. This is the problem.

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Speaker 3: You see no interest in private investment in the territory.

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Speaker 3: Everything's got to be about the government. It's all got

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Speaker 3: to be about the federal government, how much money they

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Speaker 3: plow internationally.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: I do think that there needs to be some efficiencies found.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't on one hand, last year or

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Speaker 1: the year before, say you know there's a freeze on

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Speaker 1: public servants, like on the number of public servants, or

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Speaker 1: there's a cap on the number of public servants. Yet

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Speaker 1: then you know in the same breadth sort of announce

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Speaker 1: different appointments and see advertised you know there's been no decrace.

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Speaker 4: I don't think even when he was treasurer how difficult

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Speaker 4: it is to shift public surfers numbers. And I think

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Speaker 4: you said you got rid of one hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 3: We phrase that the public service grew by one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty in our term, which is pretty well freasing

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Speaker 3: the number.

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Speaker 4: And the only people care about public service, wage increases,

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Speaker 4: the public service most of the other thing.

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Speaker 5: You don't remember.

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Speaker 3: This is the point there's no mention of Well, there's

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Speaker 4: Well, private investors in in the Beloo Basin, what reliance

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Speaker 4: And if people agree or disagree with the moratorium that

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't expect Santas, I wouldn't expect.

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Speaker 5: Speech.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about the distribution of public moneys.

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Speaker 5: So he's looking about the economy.

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Speaker 4: The private sector should just get him doing the job.

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Speaker 3: For us Santas, Why does he mentioned them? For us

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Speaker 3: has nothing to do in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 5: Well, well he mentions that he doesn't have mentioned.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's he going to go and just talk about

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Speaker 3: The Loo dwarfs barosso well, absolutely dwarfs.

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Speaker 4: Getting on with it in the Beatloo.

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Speaker 5: They're getting on. It isn't reckon in the speech.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, we didn't have to take a

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Speaker 4: I hope he maintains the rage because we'll see some

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Speaker 4: Wards a trillion. They're heading towards.

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Speaker 3: A talking about that next week, I'll have a bit

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Speaker 4: You better come in with two lots of notes.

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Speaker 3: It's bloody disgraceful the way that Gunner is treating the territory.

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Speaker 5: It is an absolute disgrace. He thinks we're leading.

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Speaker 4: About to Parmeston thinks, mate.

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Speaker 5: Is it's a ceiling of fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Just you always talk the territory downadays, you always talking

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Speaker 1: You always take the talking.

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Speaker 4: Them down, get out in the public, to get out

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the territory.

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Speaker 1: The territory listening to Parliament at the moment is that

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Speaker 3: Hello, how hollow they are, completely hollow and Higley's doing.

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Speaker 3: If you cannot you cannot.

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Speaker 4: Feel the change in the air in the Northern.

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Speaker 5: Territory with a great weight, you can't.

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Speaker 4: If you cannot feel that the territory is up and about,

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Speaker 1: I do think that there's plenty going on at the moment,

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Speaker 3: Want to know what's happening on the local political landscape.

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Speaker 5: Katie Wolf has it covered on three sixty. Every one

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 1: just joined us, well you've been missing out, you'd have

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Speaker 5: Well, I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I justers know with everyone what I do get upset

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Speaker 1: though with whenever people get asked, you know, anything hard.

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Speaker 1: I the government currently they like to talk their opponents

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Speaker 2: I feel very passionately about that. If you didn't notice

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Speaker 4: Never been happening in the history of the Commonwealth. What happens.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you, I always fronted.

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Speaker 1: I don't even't care what what.

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Speaker 5: What how interviews were.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about these repatriation flights from India. The

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister Michael Gonna saying this morning that he'll obviously,

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Speaker 1: the advice from the Chief Health Officer. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: You'd have to say, with people falling in the Strait

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Speaker 5: Coviess, it's more pandemic pawn. Well, this is one those

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Speaker 5: who've got a fat, fretting fetish.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you could argue that it is

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Speaker 1: bloody bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's red.

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Speaker 5: It's bloody bad.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, how ridiculous we'd leave Australians in an

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Speaker 3: of course you've got to bring them home. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just ridiculous that that Australians can't get you know,

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Speaker 3: what's team well, I mean what sort of government I

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Speaker 5: It's just you know, to me, it's in Humaine. These

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Speaker 5: these are Australian citizens. Call day No seriously but it's nuts.

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Speaker 5: Why not bring them here?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess the consume war was last week is

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Speaker 1: that our numbers out of Howard Springs had jumped quite substantially.

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Speaker 1: We're at about fifty four. We're now down to thirty

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Speaker 1: five again. You know you could in I think people

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Speaker 1: who have got who are active cases out there, at

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Speaker 1: active cases of.

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Speaker 2: COVID out at Howard Springs, not total number there.

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Speaker 5: I've never had a.

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Speaker 3: Community transmission, There's never been one in the command.

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Speaker 1: It is because of the great management that we've had

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Speaker 1: look at Bladon Point and whether we could actually be

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Speaker 1: bringing more repatriated Australians back to.

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Speaker 2: The territory as well as workers to fill some of

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Speaker 3: I've been saying this from day dot. You know that

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Speaker 3: we should look at becoming a place where people can

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Speaker 4: And what do they say, nine thousand in nine thousand

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Speaker 3: Remember, yeah, I remember about twelve twelve months ago up

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Speaker 4: We want to come here and isolate open people to

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Speaker 5: This is labor. This is labor. I've been a.

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Speaker 4: Big supporter of bringing people back from overseas.

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Speaker 5: We've got don't want anyone come from in a state.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want people driving come from India.

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Speaker 5: But from me to state.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to see community transmission. Neither Hailey or

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Speaker 3: And that was always we got lucky Gee whiz the

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Speaker 3: day the two things Dave walked to the pandemic.

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Speaker 4: One he thinks that it's only the common flu.

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Speaker 5: I saw this.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, he thought Sweden did a good job.

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Speaker 5: I saw these, I saw this I saw this cartoon in.

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Speaker 4: The Sweden those they didn't do it good.

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Speaker 5: I saw this cartoon in the Australian.

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Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, and it had this follor

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Speaker 3: in the future, this old man in the future and

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Speaker 3: the green sun sitting there saying, Granddad, you were actually

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Speaker 3: one of the point zero zero zero zero one percent

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Speaker 3: of people who didn't die from COVID and you're also

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Speaker 3: percent who didn't die from the vaccine. You know what

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Speaker 3: do you put that down to? And Granddad goes, well,

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Speaker 3: I spose I just got lucky.

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Speaker 2: I do want to.

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Speaker 1: Point out advocates here on three sixties making sure that

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Speaker 1: you do get a vaccine.

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Speaker 5: This fitting fretish is can I say that again?

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Speaker 3: Fretting fetish spreading from the government.

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Speaker 5: We're over fifty.

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Speaker 4: I got out of bed the other morning. Then they said,

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Speaker 4: if you're over fifty, you can go and get the vaccine.

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Speaker 4: I thought, finally I get something from the government for free.

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Speaker 5: Needles.

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Speaker 4: There a tablet for.

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Speaker 1: There is.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of time. Dave Tulner and Damian Hale, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 5: To be with you.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday for the budget. Should we talk wednesday as well

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Speaker 2: next week for the federal budgets.

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Speaker 4: I've got a real job, Davener. I've actually got to

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Speaker 4: go and work next Wednesday, all right? Will you? I'll

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Speaker 4: get your people to talk to yours.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise we'll do it Tuesday. Good on you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: both so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 5: Great to be with you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: You're a listening to Mix one O four point nine's

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Speaker 1: three sixty and the Big Issues, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Kolano Community Association and Aboriginal owned operated and community lead

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Speaker 1: Organization from the Top End to Tenant Creek