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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Martha Califatitis and Michael Brunelli

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Speaker 1: celebrate their babies milestone with two epic sponsorship deals, Gracie

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Speaker 1: Episcopo deboots and new hairstyle as her boyfriend is denied

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Speaker 1: bail on murder charges, and the Love Island UK star

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Speaker 1: caught out for fangirling Tammy Hembro. Hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture

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Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and a very

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Speaker 1: happy Valentine's Day to everyone listening. I'm just hanging out

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Speaker 1: tonight to come home and to check out all of

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Speaker 1: the Instagram and TikTok posts about Valentine's Day and all

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Speaker 1: the painful things people do. See. I feel like that

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Speaker 1: was very eight years ago. I don't think people, you know,

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Speaker 1: brag about it as much. Any oh they do that

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Speaker 1: is our age range. I don't know. With TikTok now

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Speaker 1: there's literally everything about Valentine's Day on there. I have

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Speaker 1: been searching Valentine's Day recipes because I wanted to make

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Speaker 1: a cute dessert. I saw there was like a Valentine's

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Speaker 1: Rocky Road I just had this flashback. I remember driving

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Speaker 1: to work probably Valentine's Day, maybe six or seven years ago,

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Speaker 1: and hearing an ad for a Valentine's dinner and just

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Speaker 1: having this pain in my heart, like, Oh, everyone's out

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Speaker 1: there celebrating. I think Gallentine's Day has become bigger though,

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Speaker 1: so that celebrated the day before Valentine's Day And you

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Speaker 1: might be wondering what is it all about? Well, basically,

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Speaker 1: you do all the cute shit that you wish someone

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Speaker 1: did for you, but for your best friends, it's more

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Speaker 1: like all the cute shit that your boyfriend wouldn't give

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Speaker 1: a fuck about, but the girls would love. Oh. I've

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Speaker 1: seen people baking heart shaped pizzas and cookies and everything,

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Speaker 1: and they fill the room with these beautiful red heart balloons.

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Speaker 1: It's an actual vibe and it almost looks better than

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Speaker 1: spending Valentine's Day with a genuine partner. What is everyone

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Speaker 1: doing tonight? Because it was quite funny. I had suggested

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Speaker 1: Teresa that we go to this like romantic dinner at Bridgewater.

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Speaker 1: It was all set up with beautiful decorations, and Reese

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Speaker 1: was like, had loll get the menu? And I don't

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Speaker 1: think you really like anything on there, even though you've

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Speaker 1: suggested it. Yeah, And then it was so funny. We

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Speaker 1: were on a walk on the weekend and he goes, now,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not very romantic, but would you like

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Speaker 1: to go to Chapparti House for dinner? Which is an

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Speaker 1: Indian restaurant which I love? And it was so but

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Speaker 1: he goes, oh, but they're actually doing some Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: themed menu. There's some rose lassies. He's like, you like

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Speaker 1: mango lasses, don't you. I feel like that's very much

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. After you get married, you go from the

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Speaker 1: romantic dinners to an Indian takeaway. To be honest, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a very cute idea, and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to go to Chipardi House. You're just saving it now

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Speaker 1: because Reese listens to the podcast exactly. I feel like, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: you always have something big planned for Valentine's Day or anniversary. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm quite demanding when it comes to these things. Your

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Speaker 1: love language is gifts, Well, not so much mine. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Brandon's. But I mean, okay, I kicked up

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Speaker 1: a bit of a stink because I got a text

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Speaker 1: message from Brandon on Friday, saying, oh, are you free

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Speaker 1: seven point thirty on Saturday for a dinner? And I

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Speaker 1: was like why. He's like, oh, I thought Saturday is

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Speaker 1: a better time to celebrate Valentine's Day. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: does that mean we're not doing anything on Tuesday's grateful?

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Speaker 1: This old sounds like when I was single, I would

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Speaker 1: have loved to be taken to an Indian restaurant or

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Speaker 1: to celebrate it a couple of days. First, to preface,

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Speaker 1: because I said this, he ended up booking this three

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Speaker 1: course meal on Valentine's Day instead where going. It's a surprise,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm going. What I love about

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Speaker 1: this is Sophie's there talking about this, and she's got

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Speaker 1: these new nails on which have love hearts of them,

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Speaker 1: so she's clearly am to Valentine. Kate and I were

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Speaker 1: the most basic bitches. We went into a new nail store,

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Speaker 1: which was highly recommended by our best friend. I have

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Speaker 1: to say, they're the best nails I've ever had done,

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Speaker 1: and I saw everyone was getting the little love hearts

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, so I had to do it, except my

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Speaker 1: love hearts are upside down and Kate ended up getting

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Speaker 1: the Hailey Baber chrome nails. I'm kicking myself because I

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Speaker 1: kind of missed the mark. You got a little bit

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Speaker 1: of fifty year old woman vibe. You said they were cool.

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Speaker 1: They are cool, but I could see how if you

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Speaker 1: didn't know him. Yeah, Griest did have a laugh when

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day? It's a little bit harder for Dale and

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Speaker 1: I because our anniversary is February tenth, so it's so

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Speaker 1: close to Valentine. I think that's excuse. No, it's not

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Speaker 1: an excuse. We haven't got any plans at the moment,

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Speaker 1: your parttihouse possibly well. Some influencers have been handing out

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Speaker 1: their advice for Valentine's Day, So Sammy Robinson and Bella

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Speaker 1: Vlares they're getting very close at the moment. They're sort

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Speaker 1: of verging on best friends status and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: the moment for Sammy. She did drop on a TikTok

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Speaker 1: recently that she was going out for Galentine's Day celebrations

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Speaker 1: basically because she's single. She also said she's been watching

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Speaker 1: Love Island UK and then also maths to keep her

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Speaker 1: me so sad. Well, I'm not that sad, because I'm

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Speaker 1: glad she's finally kicked that idiot to the curb. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see, he's probably be back soon. Q. He's like

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand red roses sent to Sammy's office. Who's he

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Speaker 1: going to have a box fight with now to get

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Speaker 1: a bead? Well, Bella did share her pearls of wisdom

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Speaker 1: about Valentine's Day, saying to all the men out there

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Speaker 1: that are in a relationship and think that means you

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Speaker 1: don't have to ask if your girl is romantic like me,

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Speaker 1: we still want you to ask.

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Speaker 1: What she's referring to here is she saying that your

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Speaker 1: partner actually has to ask you to be their Valentine,

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Speaker 1: and not just as shume it. She then proceeded to

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Speaker 1: share a screenshot where she asked Sammy to be her

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Speaker 1: Valentine and Sammy wrote back yes ha ha ha one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent now Jade tunk. She also shared a similar sentiment,

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Speaker 1: telling her husband Lockie that she expected him to ask

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Speaker 1: her to be his Valentine. What do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this needs to be thrown out

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Speaker 1: they should lower their expectations. I mean, particularly Sammy Robinson,

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Speaker 1: she needs to heighten her expectations. She is an absolute goddess. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I think in a long term relationship, Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: is not so important. I would prefer to get acts

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Speaker 1: of kindness and romance. It's not the question. The question

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Speaker 1: is do you need to be asked to be their Valentine?

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Speaker 1: in a long term, loving relationship, Valentine's Day isn't ultra important.

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Speaker 1: You just assume that you're going to do something with

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Speaker 1: because if you're married, you're there Valentine. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like the gift is asking, So getting the flowers, getting

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Speaker 1: the cart, that's been asked to be Valentine. If you're

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Speaker 1: excluding the asking, I think that's when the gift gets it.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't Valentine's Day all about unrequired love and telling someone

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Speaker 1: you love them like when you're in a relationship. It's

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Speaker 1: not really the same thing. I disagree with you, kay.

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Speaker 1: I think it's lovely to have your partner still ask

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Speaker 1: been going out for, because it makes it a little

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Speaker 1: bit more special. I don't think just because you're married

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Speaker 1: these things are just go out the window. But you

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Speaker 1: can still celebrate, but posing the question will But that's

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Speaker 1: the fun of it. That's the fun of it for me.

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Speaker 1: Brandon and I we don't often go out to dinner,

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Speaker 1: the two of us, so Valentine's Day is actually a

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Speaker 1: actually spend some quality time. I'm with one another. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's pretend it's the good old days twenty fifteen. I

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Speaker 1: want to see what you're doing for Valentine's Day and

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Speaker 1: Galentine's Day will be putting a thread in our Facebook community.

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Speaker 1: Please be shameless with it. Yeah, feel free to brag

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Speaker 1: what your boyfriend has done. Maybe post the things that

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Speaker 1: our group. Also, okay, I want to see some hot

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Speaker 1: snaps from the Indian takeaway store, so can I can?

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Speaker 1: I just say, I'm actually very excited to go, Like

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Speaker 1: I got love Chapatti. Yeah, it's like my favorite restaurant,

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Speaker 1: so I'm very grateful to be taken there.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking's a boy I need nobody else.

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Speaker 1: With just weeks to go until their baby is born.

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Speaker 1: Married at First Sight at Royalty, Martha Califatitis and Michael

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Speaker 1: Brunelli have celebrated their baby shower and gender reveal with

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Speaker 1: two epic sponsorship deals. Before we get into it amy,

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Speaker 1: this pregnancy has been very tough on the couple, so

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Speaker 1: it is really nice to see them finally getting to celebrate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it really is because poor Martha, she was diagnosed with

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Speaker 1: finally find out the baby's gender. Now, generally every day

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Speaker 1: couples were either cut up a cake to reveal blue

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Speaker 1: gender reveal balloons. Well they just won't do anything, that's right.

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Speaker 1: But Michael and Martha have taken their gender reveal to

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Speaker 1: the next level, enlisting the help of their jeweler, Almends

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Speaker 1: to reveal the surprise. So this name might sound familiar

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Speaker 1: because they created Martha's engagement ring, and this time around

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Speaker 1: they have created a gender reveal ring now that is

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Speaker 1: actually now a thing. So the ring eight white pear

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Speaker 1: either nine apple marine stones for a boy or nine

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Speaker 1: pink sapphires for a girl. That is just so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone else think this is just a bit too extra? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I love how you say this is going to

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Speaker 1: be a thing. But what just for the rich? Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: person does deserve a ring for being pregnant, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it is Martha, who's gone through a horrendous pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: That's true, But I can't see people at home looking

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Speaker 1: at Martha's ring and going, oh, yep, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: organize that for myself. It also seems very out of

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Speaker 1: touch considering we're approaching a recession.

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Speaker 1: Well, getting into this gender reveal video, in the opening scenes,

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Speaker 1: we hear the couple early on in the pregnancy ask

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Speaker 1: the doctor not to tell them the gender of the baby.

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Speaker 1: The video then included recordings of friends and families voices

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Speaker 1: After some hesitation, we then see Martha open the box

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Speaker 1: and it's the same thing. These brands are jumping on board,

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Speaker 1: and as you said, there's this a bit of a

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Speaker 1: gray area, but when you actually read the rules, it's

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Speaker 1: clear people need to state this is a gifted event

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Speaker 1: or I'm being paid. If you're a guest, yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: almost being cohersed into it because you haven't agreed that

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Speaker 1: you're going to be promoting target. That doesn't matter, though,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to have a deal with the brand anymore.

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Speaker 1: If you're getting free stuff and it's promoting no, no, yes.

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Speaker 1: But if you're a guest. If I'm if I'm one

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Speaker 1: of the guests and I've got a blue tick to

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Speaker 1: my name and I ruck up, I've just been invited

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Speaker 1: to Martha's genuine baby shower, I actually don't think I

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Speaker 1: need to put hashtag give what about her much I've

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Speaker 1: been gifted anything? You're just attending the event where there's decoration. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would really like to see where the ad Standards

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Speaker 1: Board sits on all of this. And it's the atrible

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Speaker 1: seeds because again, as you said, it's a gray area.

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Speaker 1: It's very confusing for everyone involved, for consumers and also

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Speaker 1: the influencers themselves. Well, the fact that a publication like

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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail has obviously become confused about is this

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Speaker 1: a target event? Is this Martha's event? It shows that

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Speaker 1: it's actually quite misleading. So, as Kate said, we need

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Speaker 1: to have some maybe some new rules put in place,

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Speaker 1: because this is a new event style that we're seeing,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing it pop up more and more in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It is confusing to the consumers. I

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Speaker 1: think events in general are confusing because I think the

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Speaker 1: influencers get invited to your run of the mill brand

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Speaker 1: event and they're not sure whether to put gifted in. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're starting to put hashtag invited. Yeah, I've noticed that

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Speaker 1: one going around too. I think that's fair enough. I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's more confusing, as you say, when an

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Speaker 1: influencer is inviting somebody else to the event. It's not

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Speaker 1: like targets sending out the invite list. Hello, I'm Sam Thompson. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm zory I.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our home.

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Speaker 1: Former Love Island UK contestant Zara McDermott has been caught

467
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Speaker 1: out fangirling Tammy Hemro. Now the worst part is it

468
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Speaker 1: was her boyfriend that did the dirty leaking embarrassing WhatsApp messages. Kay,

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Speaker 1: for those who don't know, can you give us a

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Speaker 1: bit of background on Zara? Yeah, So she first found

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Speaker 1: fame on Love Island UK in twenty nineteen. She's now

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Speaker 1: got one point seven million followers, so was a very

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Speaker 1: popular contestant. Now to spark your memory, she was coupled

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Speaker 1: up with Adam Collard, who recently appeared on the epic

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Speaker 1: series with Ekin Sue and David Ay. But after eight

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Speaker 1: months they broke up and Zara later came out and

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Speaker 1: said that their relationship was very toxic. Now she has

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Speaker 1: started dating maide In Chelsea star Sam Thompson and the

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Speaker 1: pair began appearing on the show together. Now, Zara and

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Speaker 1: Sam were involved in a cheating scandal on the show,

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Speaker 1: with Zara called out for her infidelity. The pair later

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Speaker 1: rekindled their romance though, and they're going pretty strong. Everyone

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Speaker 1: seems to really love them together. I want to jump

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Speaker 1: on the Maiden Chelsea badwagon because I've been listening to

485
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Speaker 1: a podcast called Playtime, which features one of the guys

486
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Speaker 1: from Maiden Chelsea and actually sounds that's really cool the show.

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Speaker 1: How do you get it? I don't know where to

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Speaker 1: stream it, It's like on Binge or something. Okay, because

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Speaker 1: Sam Thompson, who as I said, is on the show,

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Speaker 1: He's also got a podcast too, but it's a different

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Speaker 1: podcast to the one you listened to. Now. It was

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Speaker 1: actually Sam who shared the message exchange between him and

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Speaker 1: Zara where she was fangeling over Tammy Hembro. So Zara

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Speaker 1: shared a screenshot of a DM from Tammy Hembro which

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Speaker 1: said let me know if you can come with a

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Speaker 1: photo of an invite to a brand event now. Zara

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Speaker 1: followed with a ton of broken messages, saying Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 1: messaged me on Insta, no I may combust, I followed her,

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Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen, you have no idea what this means

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Speaker 1: to me. I can't type. I'm shaking. She invited me

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Speaker 1: to an event. Do you think I'll talk to her?

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Speaker 1: Do I reply, like, Hey, I'd love to. I followed

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Speaker 1: you for years and think you're amazing. No, that's too much,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Okay? What about?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Thank you, can't wait to meet you? No?

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Speaker 1: Still quite full on? Okay, I've gone for something simple.

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Speaker 1: Hey girl?

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Speaker 2: Love it?

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00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: Three exclamation marks?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Is that a bit keen? Do I understand? I'm panicking now?

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00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: Her boyfriend captioned the screenshot. I've never seen her like

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00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: this with four crying eyes. That is so mean to

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00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: share that, But I feel like it is so relatable.

516
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, imagine if you did get a

517
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Speaker 1: message from an influencer you've been following for years, me

518
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: if Sammy Robinson messaged me. I don't think it matters

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00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: if you're if you've got a million followers. I feel

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00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's this parasocial relationship where you legitimately feel like

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Speaker 1: you know this person and it's such a thrill to

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Speaker 1: get a message from that. It's also weirder for her

523
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Speaker 1: because Tammy's from Australia. Like, if you're in the UK,

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00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: you kind of blow these people up, thist you this

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Speaker 1: from maybe. Yeah, imagine if you got a message from

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Speaker 1: Molly Mate, I would die. I think my reaction be worse.

527
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Speaker 1: She'd probably be like, stop talking about me on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mollywood wasteed time. That's the thing that

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Speaker 1: all the messages we now get from influencers is just mean,

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Speaker 1: angry ones. But can you imagine if it was like

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift message, It'll be the same thing. And it's

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Speaker 1: what's fun. It's not the same thing really, because these

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Speaker 1: two influencers are very part I mean, Tammy has got

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Speaker 1: fifteen million, she's got one million. Do we reckon that

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Speaker 1: Tammy's seen this message? Oh, she would have seen it.

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00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: It's been all over influencer updates. Are you? What I

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Speaker 1: find funny about these messages is the way that she's

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Speaker 1: responding is kind of like the way that you'd respond

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Speaker 1: to a friend about messaging a guy. It's like, oh,

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00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: this is okay. It is funny because when you are

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Speaker 1: talking to a new friend or whatever, you don't want

542
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Speaker 1: to come across as too keen or weird. Yeah, and

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00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: you also like question how you speak.

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: What I've noticed is now whenever I talk to friends

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Speaker 1: that are younger than us. They never use emojis, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, look out for it. I've noticed

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Speaker 1: that too, and I feel like this old like millennial

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Speaker 1: that's using all these laughing emojis. There's also a way

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Speaker 1: that cool people message. I notice that they'll be hi

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00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: gorge or high babe, and I just feel like I

552
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: can't get to that level. Do you know something that

553
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: instantly makes me feel old is when I see my

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00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: little cousin's birthdays pop up on Facebook and I go

555
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: to write happy birthday because that was the cool thing

556
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: to do back in the day, and they literally have

557
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Speaker 1: no birthday mess, which would be an absolute kick in

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Speaker 1: the dick if you were twenty one ten years But

559
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Speaker 1: then I feel like this old, tragic cousin that doesn't

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Speaker 1: know what's cool and he's writing happy birth See, I'm

561
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Speaker 1: just not doing it anymore. I was still like happy

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Speaker 1: birthdays on my birth What you're meant to do is

563
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Speaker 1: just post a series of soul destroying photos. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know's what you should do. I don't think they

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00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: do that anymore either, and I think it's not cool

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Speaker 1: to do the Instagram stories. It's very confusing because our

567
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: birthday is coming up in a month, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to do. See, I'd be quite upset if

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Speaker 1: I had no messages on my Facebook. Yeah to be Ho,

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00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: you're sad sovi that is so said, But that's a millennial.

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Speaker 1: I actually heard on Michael Brunelli and Josh Moss's podcast

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Speaker 1: The Handbags. They were talking about this because they're sort

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Speaker 1: of the same generation as us. Michael's like, remember when

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Speaker 1: you'd count it up and be like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's so embarrassing. This person got two hundred and I've

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Speaker 1: really got forty. Hello angels, how are you all doing?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our YouTube channel. Andre Rabello was denied bail

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00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court of Western Australia on Friday. The

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Speaker 1: Perth crypto entrepreneur is accused of murdering his mother and

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Speaker 1: falsifying information relating to her life insurance. Now the details

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00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: surrounding Andre's bail application were suppressed. Amy Firsley for a refresher.

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Speaker 1: Who is Andre Well, he's the boyfriend and former manager

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Speaker 1: of Australian influencer Gracie Piscopo. Now she has over one

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Speaker 1: million followers. So the couple dated for eight years and

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00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: they share a four year old child together. But it's

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Speaker 1: important to note that Gracie has not been charged herself.

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Speaker 1: So since the charges were laid against Andrea, Gracie deleted

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Speaker 1: all traces of him from her social media and she's

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Speaker 1: yet to turn up to any of his court hearings.

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Speaker 1: So Andre was arrested on the twenty second of November

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Speaker 1: last year, over two years after his mother, Colleen's sudden death,

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Speaker 1: and at the time, the death wasn't treated as suspicious

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Speaker 1: until homicide detectives began investigating fraud claims. There were also

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Speaker 1: claims that Colleen's body was cremated against her wishes. It's

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Speaker 1: horrifying it is now. Andre is yet to enter a

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00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: plea to the murder charges, but he has pleaded not

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Speaker 1: guilty in the five fraud related charges he's facing.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A transcript from an earlier magistrate's court hearing relating to

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Speaker 1: separate fraud claims that Andre forged his mother's will and testament,

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Speaker 1: medical information, and coronial records in the weeks and months

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Speaker 1: after her sudden death in May twenty twenty. The court

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Speaker 1: transcript also revealed Andre was accused of pretending to be

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Speaker 1: a medical professional in an automated voice message now. Earlier

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Speaker 1: this month, Gracie made a full return to Instagram. She

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00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: lay somewhat low during the holiday period, though releasing photos

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00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: of her and her son at Christmas time and New

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Speaker 1: Year's Now. Andre was a notable absentee from their annual

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Speaker 1: Polaroid New Year's snaps. However, on the second of February,

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Speaker 1: she surprised her followers by sharing photos of her modeling

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Speaker 1: in what appears to be a brand deal with Princess Polly.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: While Gracie didn't disclose this partnership, it's quite clear that

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Speaker 1: there was one, because she was spreaking her own discount code.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this paid partnership? Were

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Speaker 1: you quite surprised that Princess Polly would want to align

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00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: themselves with her? I was surprised to see Princess Polly

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00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: jump on board. However, think how many eyeballs are on

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Speaker 1: Gracie Piscopo's page. Right, But not in a good way,

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Speaker 1: because all this did was generate more news articles about

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Speaker 1: the Murder Chargers and bring her name up against Andre's Now.

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Speaker 1: But are we all a bit vapid? I mean, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you know, even if it's something serious that you're watching

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00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: the news, like, what is that woman exactly in all

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00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: the newspapers. Oh, this is a bit scannles. This is

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00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: a nice piece for Prince. I don't know. I personally

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want my brand associated with this type of drama.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, do you think maybe she needs the money?

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Speaker 1: She is a single mum now navigating life without her partner. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's only so long that she can stay away from

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Speaker 1: social media influencing it. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: that is her full time job. Of course she needs

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Speaker 1: the money. This is her job. As Sophie said, try

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Speaker 1: she's going to continue to do brand deals. She's moving

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Speaker 1: on from all of this. Well, big brand names and

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Speaker 1: influencers aren't shying away from Gracie. A bubble of blue

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Speaker 1: Ticks have been supportive to her, liking her posts and

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Speaker 1: sharing encouraging words, including Lily Brown, Shanni grimmin Emily Hembrow,

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00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Matilda Murray, Tylia Skins, M Davies and Madison Woollie Skims

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00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: were also posting how great she looked on a recent post,

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Speaker 1: and that post was about Gracie's new hairstyle. Well, Skims

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Speaker 1: probably have no idea what's going on. Yeah, they probably wouldn't,

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Speaker 1: to be honest. I mean, it's really obviously a big

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Speaker 1: story in Australia, particularly in Wa. Now in terms of

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Speaker 1: this new look, Gracie has turned her very well known

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Speaker 1: blonde locks brunette and it did look amazing. But all

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Speaker 1: I could think was has she done it to change

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Speaker 1: her appearance so people don't recognize her? I definitely think

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Speaker 1: that could be the case. I also think there is

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Speaker 1: a rise in people going brunette. Is called the brunette

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Speaker 1: recession head because people, no, it's legitimate thing. People can't

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Speaker 1: afford to be blonde at the moment. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: never though I might be returning to my natural roots. Actually,

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Speaker 1: no way, I don't care. I will just spend the

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Speaker 1: money and we'll get a box star. I'd rather just

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Speaker 1: eat a can of baked beans. But yeah, well it

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Speaker 1: didn't seem like money was much of an issue when

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Speaker 1: Gracie was celebrating her son's birthday party. Because I was

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Speaker 1: very surprised to see a photo dump of this sort

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Speaker 1: of lavish birthday party for her son's fourth birthday. Can

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Speaker 1: I just say, I feel like there needs to be

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Speaker 1: another word for photo dump. It just sounds ridiculous. I

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Speaker 1: saw Steph Claire Smith put a camera and then a toilet,

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Speaker 1: and it took me a while to work out that

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Speaker 1: it meant a photo dump a bat to the hair.

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Speaker 1: I think this could be breakup hair. Though she's distancing herself,

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Speaker 1: she's trying to give the subtle thing. I'm not with

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Speaker 1: this douchebag anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: True, she did look beautiful with it. She's one of

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Speaker 1: those people that look good brunette and well, you really

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Speaker 1: do have to reinvent yourself when something like this happens.

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Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode.

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Speaker 1: We do hope you have a wonderful Valentine's Day. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see all the posts in the Facebook group.

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Speaker 1: If you do want to join in on the fun,

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Speaker 1: you can find us on Facebook at Outspoken the Podcast

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Speaker 1: and TikTok. Our handle is Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This podcast was also recorded on the traditional land of

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Speaker 1: the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect

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Speaker 1: to elders past and present, and I hope you have

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Speaker 1: a fun time at Chapatti House Kay, thank you very much,