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Speaker 3: Why I can't understand men are not transparent around the

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Speaker 1: And then I started to ask myself, am I really

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Speaker 2: Mom always always they careful.

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Speaker 4: Hi, I'm a Panda and I'm Romby. Welcome to Slayered Podcast.

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Speaker 3: We're under the Black Hoss Network powered by iHeart recording

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Speaker 3: in studio today in Malbezy.

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Speaker 2: You trying to get them out disy, but yeah, we're

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, You've been laughing even before we press record because

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Speaker 4: Someone is very very excited about who do we have

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Speaker 5: Be Okay, we've got Simba in the building.

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Speaker 3: But wait before we before we welcome, Welcome, we want

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: So we're trying to do over here, all right, So

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna read out your bio. No pressure, but the

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Speaker 3: of them. Lawyer turned rapper Simba Mac traded his suit

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Speaker 5: He's looking so good if you're not watching online. Good.

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Speaker 3: He overstood the assignment his STUDENTAI career for a career

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Speaker 3: as a lawyer. Simber Mac is an artist who has

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Speaker 3: His music articulates his life's journey from Zimbabwe to Australia

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Speaker 2: Is not even touching half the things that you have done,

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Speaker 2: like so inspirational. We love like I've known you obviously

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Speaker 4: And ever since I saw you perform Anyway two thousand and.

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Speaker 2: You it's literally it's insane that the power you have

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you touched on so many things. We can

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, that's such a brilliant question, and it's such

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Speaker 1: master and learn certain things so I can come back

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00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 1: home and you know, help my people. Right, So I

431
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: was like, nah, So I wrote a letter to tendor

432
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: the wealthies businessmen I knew back home, to see someone

433
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: responds to me. Yeah, went to see them all. The

434
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: tenth guy saw everyone knocked me back. The tenth guy

435
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: I saw said, okay, leave in your dream and pay

436
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: for my first semester so I could get a visa

437
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: to just come in to Australia. Then my mom's sold

438
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: a card to pay for my plane ticket, gave me

439
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks to start up. That's how I

440
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: ended up in Australia, right, And then I had to

441
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: work four jobs pretty much concurrently, just so I could

442
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: pay my school fees and all that, just to get

443
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: by and stuff like that. So what when when you

444
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: facing that kind of adversity, right, for a lot of

445
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: people that don't have anything to counter it with. We

446
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: grew up around black lawyers, black doctors, black garbage collectors

447
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, So whatever adversity I was going to

448
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: go through here, I had something to counter it with

449
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: because of what I saw in my what I was,

450
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: what I was immersed in back home. Yeah, you know,

451
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: which is so so I didn't have to permanently code switch. Yes,

452
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: compared to a kid who's born here, it doesn't have

453
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: anything to challenge when they told a black kid that

454
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 1: your race, you're you know, you're black, or you're not,

455
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: you're only worth this much or whatever. And then you're

456
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: the society or the institutions condition you to that you

457
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: need to code switch to white, to free, not just

458
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: to fit in, but just to have a chance to

459
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 1: make it right. And and we we were told you

460
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: can be all of these things because we've seen that.

461
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: And that's actually something we don't talk enough about, I think,

462
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: is how we have that privilege of having seen, you know,

463
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: black people succeed in their own country.

464
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about race, Okay, So it's

465
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: it's normalized. So when someone tells you you can't do

466
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: it here, you're like, what are you talking about? My dad?

467
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: Is this? My mom? And my AUNTI is this? It's

468
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: not even that far removed, you know what I mean.

469
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm juggling full time, juggling full time UNI,

470
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: and I'm thriving at both. So what's what's the right?

471
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: What's all of these things? So you learn how to

472
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: be duality or being a trifecta of skills, like you

473
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: have to be like what about is all things to

474
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: all men? You know? And even when you're in this space,

475
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: it's not it's not good enough as a black person

476
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: to just be good at one thing, right. You don't

477
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: get to get into corporate just being good on one thing, right.

478
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: You gotta be good at the thing that everyone else

479
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: is good at it. Then you want to show them

480
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: why you're special because because for a lot of people,

481
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: you're the first version of your complexion they ever seen

482
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: in that space. Definitely take like you gotta you got

483
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: a Nelson Mandel, Do you know what I'm saying? And

484
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: that's not because so that you can thry, so you

485
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: can keep the door open.

486
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: For the next Yeah, the amount of times I go

487
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: to meetings on my PA and they greet my pa,

488
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: I am you are the paps. And also she's an

489
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: older white lady and she now gets the point where

490
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: she kind of loves it. She knows it's gonna happen,

491
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: Like she's like, no, that's Amanda. Yeah, I don't even

492
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: like one guy, I literally like muscle this way past

493
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: me to come and greet her.

494
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Like no, it's like, you know, they've just

495
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: never seen that. And also with that, right, then comes

496
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: the thing of like you have to also condition yourself

497
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: to understand you can't as offensive as certain things. Maybe

498
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: you cannot operate from a place of emotion no, right,

499
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: because you got to understand nuance right, because there's there's

500
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: a difference, and we all learned this. Right. You don't

501
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: get a playbook of how to thrive in this situation, right.

502
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Our parents didn't know how to do it. We're the

503
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: first ones to try it out, right, But the wise

504
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: ones of us figured out that we have to make

505
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: a decision whether we want to be right or whether

506
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: we want to win pick one, because when you start winning,

507
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: you can afford to be right. Sometimes when you choose

508
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: to be right, you seldom can afford to wait if

509
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: you don't control the system in place. Right, So we're

510
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: trying to be in there and to normalize our presence

511
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of these spaces where us being there's

512
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: a foreign concept or unlikely and things like this still

513
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: happen to this, you know, but.

514
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: It's exhausting, But we do open avenues for other people.

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: I remember the first time, I mean at my workplace,

516
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: I was the first black woman. And then we did

517
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: another round of interviews for like it was just not

518
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: a like an entry level job, and this Nigerian lady

519
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: applied and she said, look, I've raised my three girls.

520
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 2: Now I'm an empty nest, so all I want is

521
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: just a job until I retire. So this is perfect

522
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: for me. And I was like, on paper, a perfect candidate.

523
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: She walks in obviously shows a Nigerian accent.

524
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: They're like no.

525
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: I was like, no, why why because there's a Columbian downstairs.

526
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 4: Why can't understand?

527
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: But like, y'all think she's cute, so that's why, you know,

528
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: And I had to challenge them. I thought, you know what,

529
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: this is probably the reason why you do open the doors,

530
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: you said, for others to come through.

531
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: And she's apisolutely brilliant type of kills it because she

532
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: has that purpose because she's.

533
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm at home, I'm all alone. My

534
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: job is my social network. And now they all love her.

535
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: But it took that like jumping into that known for

536
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: them because they were like, oh, we can't get past

537
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: the accent. And in fact, she's speaking English again you

538
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: can all hear what she's saying.

539
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, that's interesting, that's that's such

540
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: a valid point. So firstly to your point about being tied, right,

541
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: there is a degree of exhaustion, right. And and the

542
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: thing is like, even amongst ourselves, right, sometimes you can

543
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: be so embarrassed even to discuss amongst ourselves what we're

544
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: struggling with, because we always want to appear strong, because

545
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: that's what you know, keep up appearances, right.

546
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 5: Because that's what our parents did to be fair.

547
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: To be fair, that's a form of codes because you're

548
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: not being real, but she's being what's necessary for the moment.

549
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: But some of us don't uncode switch back to reality,

550
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: and that's where the stress comes, that's where the frustration comes,

551
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: that's where the unrealistic expectations come, and that's where the

552
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: very realistic disappointment comes. Right. And if we have more

553
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: of these discussions amongst ourselves and also acknowledge and also

554
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: make it, make people aware of it. And because we've

555
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: done well all right, we're probably the best candidates to

556
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: actually broke discussions like racism that way. We're not coming

557
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: from an emotional stand true, because we have a right

558
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: to you, but we want to win this discussion and

559
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: we don't want to win the argument and lose the person.

560
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: So we will never come from a place of emotion,

561
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: will come from a place.

562
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 4: Of intellect, said like a true lawyer.

563
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, very very diplomatic.

564
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: We see, we see why you do what you do,

565
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: like you do want it for TV?

566
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: Okay, but you feel me right like, no, I get

567
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: it at the end of the day, right, because people

568
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: always they rush to racism, and yes, but that's a

569
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: very simplistic way of putting it. And you know what,

570
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: to somebody where to whom it's happening to, it makes sense. Yeah, right,

571
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: But then there is this thing about racism right where

572
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: it's like colonization back in the day, you know, Britain

573
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 1: could go in and invade a country and do what

574
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: they wanted. Right now they get to do it to

575
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: multinational companies. In fact, it's an evolutionary version of colonization, right,

576
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: all right, And there's that's it's a long story, but

577
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: there's the reason why we're all here and not at all, right,

578
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: but that's a different discussion together. They're calling us out nice,

579
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: But what I will say, though, what I will say

580
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: is that racism's version of that is classes and when

581
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: it evolves, right, So then it becomes this thing where

582
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: racism shouts classes and whispers. Right, So racism shouts offense,

583
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: classes and whispers offense, and it's designed specifically to be

584
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: targeted at the person it's supposed to undermine and keep down.

585
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: And then because it's whispered, only that person hears it.

586
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: And then when they say it out loud, because no

587
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: one else hears it, no one else, it might not happen.

588
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: And that it didn't happen, it couldn't have happened. So

589
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: sometimes racism is a preferred thing because it can actually

590
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: it puts things on the table that can be dealt.

591
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: Have you watched Origin, a movie by Ava currently on Netflix.

592
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: I'm telling everybody to watch.

593
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: This Australian Netflix.

594
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: That's yeah, on European European Netflix.

595
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: But if we got it on the European Netflix, I'm

596
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: sure it's come to it or it will come. But basically,

597
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: she's challenging this notion of we always quick to say

598
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: everything's racism, but then her as you talk classism, I

599
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: think it's very true. We had an episode on classism

600
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: if you haven't really listened to it, but also cost system.

601
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: But it's all about you know, putting someone else down

602
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: to you know, put yourself. And I think we need

603
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: to realize that the conversations around discrimination are very nuanced

604
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: and we can't always just leave it to race, and

605
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: with things like classism and cost systems. It also challenges

606
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: you because it happens between people who look the same

607
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: of the same nationality, same race. And we don't like

608
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: that because it makes us feel like, oh so you know,

609
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: and if you think about it in that perspective, it's uncomfortable, right,

610
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: So you you Bridge, you speak a very good point.

611
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: But the thing is, the thing about race isn't them

612
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: which is And I love your points, they're so on

613
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: point racism. Think about it. It actually gives you a

614
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: cheat cut. If you're successful and rich, you get to

615
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: enter into this is. You get us set at the

616
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: table classes in no matter how successful you are, exactly

617
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: like you will remind you of who you are.

618
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 7: Fact, you're not part of the origin families, this situation,

619
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, through the cracks and the

620
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 7: system whatever.

621
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: So to me, the exhaustion in having to more often

622
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: than not be the only person in these rooms where

623
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: there's high pressure expectations to perform or whatever and bite

624
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: your tongue right for the sake of whoever might come

625
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: after you, for your survival, for your ability to thrive,

626
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: takes a massive toll that nobody that doesn't look a

627
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: certain way hasn't gone through. What we want to think

628
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: about it. We're like, what, seven thousand miles eleven thousand

629
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: kilometers away from the place who were born, and we've

630
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: been that way for the last two decades with no supervision.

631
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: How do you end up like this? There has to

632
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: be something in the water where there's cultural discipline, whatever

633
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: it is, back home, because there's just way too many

634
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: of us that have come from that situation of abject

635
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: poverty or something or whatever, and we're just thrust into

636
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: this situation, put on planes to come here. Have made it. Yeah,

637
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: if we were to flip the script with kids born here,

638
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: the resilience.

639
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 4: We're not there.

640
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: We're cut from a different apologetic about that, and there's

641
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: something to be celebrated about us even surviving here. But

642
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: we've thrived.

643
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that, Because I think this rhetoric

644
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: around millennials of a matching our parents' success and all

645
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: this it's very loud, right, but I think The way

646
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: you've kind of put it is that think about where

647
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: we came from and the odds we faced that are

648
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: on a completely different playing field too. You know a

649
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: lot of our peers who don't.

650
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: Have that, and the opportunity is not given. A lot

651
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: of times they won't tell you about the ground. Yeah

652
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: university are you land? You know, yeah, I'm working for

653
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: jobs to make It's not the same, you know.

654
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing is because they gave your leg up.

655
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: And here's another thing. We we all majority of us

656
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: came here, right, So back home they'll think, oh, you know,

657
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: simple as in Australia. Yeah, right, okay, cool. But if

658
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: you think about it, the way things are supposed to

659
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: work from one generation to the next, right, You're supposed

660
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: to have compounding interests. You're supposed to be the benef

661
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: history of those that came before. Right. So for example,

662
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: like in my situation, fine, I found a way to

663
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: get myself here, right, But then I'm the first generation.

664
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: I'm what the first Italians were, the first grades were,

665
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: That's what I am, right, But then I'm not working

666
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: oft an inheritance from my parents. Big fact, I'm coming

667
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: here to something so I can pay a black time. Yes,

668
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: So I'm coming here to be a parent.

669
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

670
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: So I'm missing I don't when I look back at Younique,

671
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't enjoyable to me. I had to fake. I

672
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys even noticed that I was

673
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: working for jobs or whatever. Mind Roma got canceled five

674
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: times because I was behind on my school. You know

675
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like I supposed to be deported

676
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: five times over, like the Romance managers, like at least

677
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: is paying his rent on time whatever, and his grades

678
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: are decent. I'll try and keep it from the ball

679
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: from the bar, doesn't you know what I'm saying. But

680
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: then amongst your peers, you're also trying to hustle and

681
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: do these kind of thing. So when you think of

682
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, and then we're starting at a

683
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: point where we've got to send money back, so we're

684
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: not even making like that forward stride we're supposed to

685
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: if we had said or kept all the money we're sending. Yeah, definitely, right,

686
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: So I get to start my family way later because

687
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: I had to raise my brothers and all that stuff. Right,

688
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: So that's all my But at the same time that

689
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: also forced me to push myself beyond what I was

690
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: willing to do for myself. Right, there was a benefit,

691
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: there's a bigger goal, yes, for sure. Right, but we

692
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: all we all struggle like in that respect, like having

693
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: to do those kinds of things. Right, So you're here

694
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: and your savings are necessarily up to power or whatever,

695
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: and you're at X age whatever, but it's you've paid

696
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: a black tast black Your life may actually realistically speaking

697
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: properly start with you being enjoying the fruits of your

698
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: labor maybe age.

699
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: And then people are thinking about you been there for

700
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: thirty years, twenty years? What?

701
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: And then it's think about it's scary to post anything

702
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: on social because I can be interributed back home really

703
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: something nice whatever, eating you know, like and also the guilt.

704
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: Do notay even in a room be coming here and

705
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: we'll be just so frank even coming out with the podcast.

706
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: But so the.

707
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: Podcast making myself and it's like people don't understand the satrifice, sacrifice.

708
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: You're scared to let people know the work because listen,

709
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: we can go on and like there's so many things

710
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: touched on, so many.

711
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: So late, but I.

712
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: But I will say thank you, I know, we have

713
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: to wrap up now and time is running out, but

714
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: I think.

715
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: It was very.

716
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: It's been very important, I think hearing especially from a

717
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 3: male perspective. I think that's another thing, especially in our community,

718
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: men are not sparent around the experience the realities of

719
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: being in the diaspora and the journey of my grating.

720
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that you opened up about so

721
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 3: many aspects of that journey, as well as trying to

722
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: be a creative whilst also being a support system to

723
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: your family, especially back home and financially. Like, there's so

724
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: many layers to your life, to a lot of our

725
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: lives when we are trying to make it in this

726
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: new world we've been given.

727
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: So I just want to say thank you for that,

728
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 5: for sharing that.

729
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 4: Clearly we need to have.

730
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: Another conversation because clearly so much more.

731
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: I just had one question to ask you, and as

732
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: you were speaking about how you mastered the English language,

733
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: do you think that played the usual and you being.

734
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: A lyricist, No one's got no one's got painted like that,

735
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Excited finish that thought. So so

736
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: when I was reflecting on it, right, I was like,

737
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: the only reason I got the the springboard right to

738
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: even have the mindset of God, to even have the

739
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: ability to identify things by a nuance or whatever, because

740
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: I had an advantage and a head start from anyone

741
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: else up against So even in schools, killing the white

742
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: kids English even here killed the white kids even and

743
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: mastering English because of the way the languages constructed helped

744
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: me learn languages like Latin and French. You know, you

745
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Oh, I guess law.

746
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, even this is.

747
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: A Saint George's like they used to.

748
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: People like Latin people did I did not know that, Yeah,

749
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: you know, And then you got to do your you

750
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: know your sciences, you know, chemistry, biophysics or whatever, you know.

751
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: What I mean, like like you do it all right.

752
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: But then he gave me that, and I always and

753
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yes, I did carry shame because

754
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: of what my dad did, you know, going to prison

755
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: on le style, but I also carried pride because of

756
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: our last name and what he did, what he represents,

757
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: all the stories they do about your uncles and stuff. Right,

758
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: So credit to my dad. May rest in peace, but

759
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: he puts such an incredible thing. And I feel like

760
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: men a lot of times they get thankless jobs, you know,

761
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: and they don't get praised, They don't get acknowledged for

762
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: the roles they play in their family's lives in nine

763
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: times out of ten, like what tends to be highlighted

764
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: is what they do wrong, you know. And I'm literally

765
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: an example of that, right well, my dad, you know.

766
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate that you know, it took that long

767
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: to realize that, right, But I'm glad I did anyway,

768
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it also is helping

769
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: me deconstruct why I'm the way I am, why I'm

770
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: different from my brothers who only got raised with unconditional love.

771
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: My dad raised me with full on, intense discipline right

772
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: for the first half of my life when I was

773
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: in zim and then I had unconditional love for my

774
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: mom solely, right, but my brother's only got unconditional love.

775
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: We build different in was sometimes you need a man

776
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: because I don't think I don't listen to my mom

777
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: the way I would have. My dad put a sense

778
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: of reviewing. I'm not saying it's healthy extent to which

779
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: way where like, you know, you've got to get the

780
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: kid to get certain things done, and he put just

781
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: enough in me that when he was absent for the

782
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: rest of my life, those seven years were enough.

783
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: I mean, Ruby, I'm sure has seen it now even

784
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: with Jerome like I'll be like, I'm so comes through

785
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: and does what he needs to do it. So, I

786
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: mean this season, we were really trying to celebrate black women,

787
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: and but it was really important for us to have

788
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: you on because there is black men too, and I

789
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: think you don't have spaces that we always celebrate you,

790
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 2: so to have you on our podcast, but this episode

791
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: has been so special for us.

792
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: And shout out to our brothers.

793
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 6: Yes and.

794
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 5: So good.

795
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: I would this makes sense because I was, for the

796
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: most part of my life raised by a single woman, right.

797
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: I will tell you, as a man, I do have

798
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: a nuanced appreciation and perspective when it comes to women.

799
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: So because of what I saw my mom did right

800
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: as a single woman in that patriarchal society, when I

801
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: look at women, I know there's a lot of things

802
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: you do do way better than we could if it

803
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: were a civil parents a little louder for those. But

804
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: because I was there to see my mom, there's things

805
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: that I expect out of women that I'm like, nah,

806
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: you can do that I know what you're capable, I

807
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: know how strong you can be. Not for everyone, but

808
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: for a lot of you. There's that. So also want

809
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: to also send a message that there is that thing

810
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: that men do see, you know, and it is the

811
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: time for women to actually shine, you know what I mean.

812
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: And we are in a world now where it doesn't

813
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: always have to be on the man to do the

814
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: financials or whatever. You women have demonstrated, our mothers have

815
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: demonstrated right that you guys are just as intellectually confident,

816
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: if not more so than us men. But then the

817
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: ability when we are talking about duality, since we are

818
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: on that topic, you guys are literally the blueprints of that.

819
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: You guys are the originated. You showed us how to

820
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: do it. I learned how to duality from my mom,

821
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: you know. But then when we do master your skills,

822
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: say thank you to us, encourage us, as we've got

823
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: make to.

824
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: Give you some flowers.

825
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: Flowers, flowers perfect.

826
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: So twenty twenty five you started with the bang with

827
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: obviously having you on the podcast what you have in

828
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: store for yourself for twenty twenty five. Obviously as you're

829
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: going to be a fan to your father, that's crazy.

830
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: It's exciting in your creative space.

831
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: What can we look.

832
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Forward to it? Yeah? Dropping music. So I'm I'm like

833
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: a serial like perfectionist. So I've done all these things

834
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: my music and stuff like performing and stuff, but I've

835
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: never released anything. I've always just wanted to have like

836
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: the perfect representation should be. So if I listened to

837
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: ten years from now, I'm not cringing, you know, and

838
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: I think I've got to that place now. They're probably

839
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: releasing some new music, so that's going to be crazy. Yeah,

840
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: And just focusing on being a dad and being present

841
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: man and like trying to to to you know, part

842
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: a lot of what I learned from my parents and

843
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: from my experience as well, and also just navigating I

844
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: guess that that that challenge now for like raising you know,

845
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: arguably a black kid. You know it should be half

846
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, Zimbabwe and a half Italian, right, like like

847
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: just raising her in this foreign sort of space, you know,

848
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: where also there's a very good chance she won't. Identity

849
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: is a big thing, right and then it look like

850
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: her dad looks like a mom exactly you know, my

851
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: girl dad girl.

852
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 4: For my intellect, so.

853
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: You can stick to you and you can get a

854
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: license to.

855
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 8: Get into morning so she can pay bills, that can

856
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 8: be a full time parent, you know, but things like

857
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 8: that forward looking forward to that.

858
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to doing a lot of things and

859
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: correct doing a lot of course correction, I think, and

860
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: actually taking a break from just the hustle and bustle

861
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: and just slowing down and just reflecting on life and

862
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Speaker 1: being present, which is something luxury we just haven't had,

863
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: right you know, when we're going to UNI, like other

864
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: kids had their families and had meals cook for them,

865
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Speaker 1: you know, grocery and all that.

866
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Whatever we remember through COVID, people will be like, I

867
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: can't see my mom.

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00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: She's gonna trouble as I'm like the board does a

869
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Speaker 4: close anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Please different, there's level service and it's you know, it's

871
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: it's it's actually good. We can laugh about a lot

872
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: of this because there's a lot of trauma, you know.

873
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: And the thing is like our parents nine times out

874
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: of ten and family back home are just concerned primarily

875
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: with just the result the goal. Did you do what

876
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: we sent you to do. We're not too concerned about

877
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: how you got there, unless you're going to embarrass us

878
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: and do something right, So we raised each other. That's

879
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make the peers that were

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00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: with us, because you are the ones that are part

881
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: of the journey. I have friends that like I remember

882
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: when I was like it was too hard to raise

883
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: school fee's money, right, I was like, I'm going to

884
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: focus on being an artist because that's what comes. And

885
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: actually like I'll be a rapper. I don't think I'm

886
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: going to be a lawyer. I'm probably go to get

887
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: to port before. So maybe if I pursue my music,

888
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I can potentially get a record deal,

889
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't think I'm going to graduate.

890
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to finish law ands like,

891
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a real thing for me. But

892
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: it was being around friends. I have a friend called

893
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: Rodney who was a union that's in visual right, so

894
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: he's like a cardiologist, like crazy surgeon in Adelaide now,

895
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: And I remember he was studying BioMed did BioMed too,

896
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: and that's a three year degree. And I remember like

897
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: he would go and study for that game said exam

898
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: by himself and like you tell us like he wants

899
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: to be a doctor, and mean just at their murder

900
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: at whatever. Yeah yeah, yea, yeah yeah yeah pipe dream

901
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: pipe Dane. He went, so people go and get private

902
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: lessons and stuff to do that he taught him. So

903
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: he's self taught. When set the game said, examin himself.

904
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: Got into University of Queensland Medical School, hushold his way

905
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: through the moment he left Perth. Most people get to

906
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: have that experience at the end when everyone graduates and

907
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: then they're like, Okay, everyone gets a job, everyone moves on.

908
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough he finished his degree before me

909
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: and left. I felt that hollowness of like I don't

910
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: want to be that guy that was left, and all

911
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: my other guys amade to lunches or whatever, and guys

912
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: are like, now we got you, you know what I mean?

913
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, you know I don't want to I

914
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: never wanted to be. And that just woke me up

915
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, do you try. I've got my

916
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: mentor my symbol mushroom bob. We're coming from church. Once

917
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: I was still in that mindset of like life is

918
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: too hard, you know, like you know I'm not going

919
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: to make it. I was in that give up mode,

920
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: right and he just graduated. He'd done become you know,

921
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: accounting and all that, and he just got an internship

922
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: at an accounting firm. We're coming from church one day

923
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: in pert hour holidays, right, and then he'd forgotten some

924
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: paperwork at work so had to drive through the city

925
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: so you couldn't gave me in the car because it

926
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: was too hot. So he's like, I do just come

927
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: on me, right, So I was like, okay, whatever, some there,

928
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: I head backwards, you know, I was, you know, like

929
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: begging jeans, you know, it is skunking, yeah, all day,

930
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: so in oversized teas whatever. I'm thinking, I'm a thug

931
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: aut in these streets. Right. So we walk into this

932
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: corporate space, right, So I'm used to seeing him work

933
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: at at the Kioska Celtics, right, never seen him in

934
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Speaker 1: a corporate station. So now I'm thinking, like he told

935
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Speaker 1: me at the jobs like whatever. So we walk into

936
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Speaker 1: it into the building again to the lift go up forever.

937
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: He's got a pass and he's going through this stuff

938
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just like a black man works in this space.

939
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: It took me back to Zim and reminded me of

940
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: where I came from. Then, without him having to usher

941
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: a word, sorry utter a word, right, he ushered me

942
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: into my future. That's why mentor is important because they

943
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: can they can express things to you that you're willing

944
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: to receive. But that also caused the course correction for

945
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: to be like, you have no excuse not to do this,

946
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: to finish it. Yeah, and that's why I'm in the position.

947
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Speaker 1: I mean, so we always.

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Speaker 3: Bars bars okay, such, thank you so so much. Where

949
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: can people keep up with you so when you finally release, yeah,

950
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 3: we can be in the note.

951
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate that. We'll probably launch our website at the time,

952
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 1: but for now, Instagram is probably the place. And so

953
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: it's simbamac that's the handles at I T S S,

954
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: I N B A m ak yep. Hit me up there, man,

955
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: Let's stay connected, be empowered people. You know, thrive, thrive, thrive.

956
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: You know it's not always easy, but it's possible. It's possible.

957
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 1: Anything you practice and you're willing to learn, you can achieve, conquerrent, thrive.

958
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Speaker 1: So I encourage you to do that.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, beautiful, thank you so much.

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00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I've gone through like a life life coaching,

961
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 3: like you know, it's been.

962
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Speaker 4: Such a beautiful episode. Hey, someone needs to some money.

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00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: On that note, there are we better go, and thank

964
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Speaker 2: you so much for tuning in. It's been a beautiful episode.

965
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Speaker 2: And thank you Simba for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the opportunity for the platform, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for even just allowing us to come and share

968
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Speaker 1: our journeys and our stories, you know, unfiltered, you know,

969
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: and asking the right questions and actually caring enough to

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Speaker 1: go to those places because because sometimes you know, you're

971
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Speaker 1: you know, the people you're interviewing will take you certain places.

972
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Speaker 1: But like that's why Oprah is a genius, because it

973
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Speaker 1: takes a very special person able to sit across the

974
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Speaker 1: table from and bring out like how much stuff do

975
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Speaker 1: you guys need to know? How intelligent to pull that off? Intelligence?

976
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Speaker 4: Oprah?

977
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: You heard that right here right now, Oprah. Anyway, with that,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much, everybody, catch you guys on the

979
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 3: next guy.

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Speaker 1: Bye.