WEBVTT - MAX DRAG QUEEN - RUPAULS DRAG RACE - STAN AUSTRALIA 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.680 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.080 TV Reload the podcast last week. They're right. Hey guys, 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.040 welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.200 for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Max Drag Queen, 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.120 who was the fifth eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.800 down Under season four. This week we saw a queen 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.200 go home that obviously had a lot of emotions bubbling 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.439 below the surface. I really enjoyed Max on this series, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.600 and I think while they were eliminated, we've only been 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.360 given a glimpse of what she will be able to 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.800 achieve in the space of entertainment moving forward. Max will 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.160 share her thoughts on Michelle's decision to send her home 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.160 and if a queen that has hit the bottom two 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.800 three times is the most deserved to be eliminated. We 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.879 will unpack bringing raw emotions into a competition like this 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.640 and if they help or hinder your time on RuPaul's 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.280 Drag Race. I ask about the hookup and we will 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.239 find out what happened next and where Freyer sits in 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.040 her life right now. You will get everything from what 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.120 an acting challenge is really like. If Hannah Conder was 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.720 wasted as a guest, and what she thinks of maddow 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.480 kind critiques, which were. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.360 A little bit out of the box. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.920 There's actually so much to talk about, with so many 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.080 inside revelations. So guys sit back and relax as we 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:11.240 unpack the wonderful world of RuPaul's drag Race down Under 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.160 season four. Oh my god, Max, how are you? 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.600 I'm doing better now that I've seen your face. How 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:16.920 are you? 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.480 So? I'm well, I'm well. But you know what, you 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.480 were the only queen this year that I actually knew 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.120 of going into this season, So when I saw your 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.839 name come up, I was like, I've seen Max perform 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.280 a lot of times and I just can't wait to 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.840 see how you go on this season. So I'm a fan. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:36.480 Thank you. That's very, very kind of you to say hello, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.800 thank you. That's I'm glad I already have blush on 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.080 our lives. I'd be like, I'm blushing. You know. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.839 It's so weird though, I keep thinking about this throughout 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.240 this season. I feel so patriotic about Victorian queens on 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.680 this series. Do you feel like you are representing your state? Like, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.480 what does it feel like when you're in the competition? 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.800 It didn't necessarily feel like we were representing our states. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.960 I mean, the Brisbane girls were really like vocal about 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.240 being from Brisbane. I feel like it's because they haven't 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.680 had as much like representation on the show thus far, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.880 so they were quite proud. The New Zealand girls, Olivia 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.120 was very proud to be doing it for Wellington, but 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.480 I think the Sydney and Melbourne girls were like, it's 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.919 just another gig. Not to say that we didn't appreciate 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.160 it and the opportunity, but like we were really just 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.520 like ah, I mean across Lazy, Brenda and I we 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.280 were like the triangle of like Melbourne Drag. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.480 I want to know what your thoughts are though on 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.920 Melbourne's signature drag, because I feel because I've traveled around 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.640 Australia a lot. I've even seen the Drag shows over 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.840 in New Zealand, so like for me, I feel like 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.280 there's a bit of an esthetic or there's there's a 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.440 flavor that comes to being from a particular town. Do 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.320 you Melbourne has like a signature of feel and look 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:46.560 to it. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.960 I've always said, and this kind of changes every now 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.280 and then, but I kind of feel like Sydney is 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:58.480 so show girl based because of like Priscilla and things 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.280 like that. This sounds like after just saying that, but 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.360 like Sydney is a good face like they're quite like 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.600 face value, they're really good when it comes to community 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.560 and heart, I genuinely, with my full chest think that 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.200 Melbourne takes the cake for that. I think I'm just 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.240 speaking to my own personal experience when I say that, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.440 though Melbourne drag and Melbourne like queer community feels so 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.680 like gay communities can be, we know how it is, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.600 but like it feels like there's more of a heart 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.560 in Melbourne, and I think that shows through our drag 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:26.959 as well. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.000 Do you know what I think about Melbourne is that 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.559 I think the queens get off the stage and interact 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.440 with audiences a little bit more, and there's a little 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.360 bit more personality or approachability. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.640 Maybe I agree, I I wholeheartedly agree. I feel like 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.400 Sydney girls get off the stage and go back to 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:44.920 the dressing room and then don't come out for the 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.160 rest of the night. I am someone that's like, well, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.520 why not interact with the people that you're basically can 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:51.080 I swear on. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.480 This, yeah, go for it? Fucking sweat? 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.080 Why don't interact with the people. I've been I fucking 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:57.040 all night, you know what I mean. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:00.840 I've seen you perform, and I've watched you get off 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.960 the stage and be incredibly approachable, and it's one of 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.119 the things about you that I've always appreciated is your 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.800 ability to sort of bring yourself down to a level 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.840 when you look like the way that you look like, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:13.560 you look like a fierce queen that would scare the 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.720 shit out of someone. But then you'll be like, hey, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:16.560 how I. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.320 That's really sweet of you to say. I feel like, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.520 I'm not mean, I'm just painted that way, you know, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.400 Like I'm like I want to I feel like that's 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.760 people come out to watch you, and they're in the 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.320 bar supporting you, and I can tell who's there to 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.160 have a party and who's there to watch drag, and 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.720 I feel like to make sure that I still have 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.800 people in the audience that want to see drag, I'm like, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.360 the least I can do is have a conversation and 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.080 be personable. I feel like it makes my night just 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.240 as much as it makes like somebody else's. So thank 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.000 you for saying that. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:44.880 It's funny because like back in the day, there was 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.559 a place called the Exchange. This is before your time, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.040 but it was. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.280 Aware of her. Though I've heard many stories. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.680 And the Queen's backstage because I used to know a 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.159 lot of them and would go backstage. Actually I didn't 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.479 know that my partner would. He would drag me backstage 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.560 and it was hilarious to listen to the banter that 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.200 was bet all of them, because the banter backstage was 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.400 always more savage than it was on stage, like they 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.440 had sort of a stage persona. Where then in Melbourne, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.800 I feel like the evolution of drag has been to 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.640 bring that to the stage and so that old banter 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 that used to be sort of so exciting to listen 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.760 to and so entertaining has been brought to the stage 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:20.640 and I love that. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.760 I think my favorite thing about Yeah, Melbourne drag is 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.120 the fact that we are able to We're able to 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.680 be caddy and like, you know, shady with each other, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.479 but we know in our heart that we wouldn't say 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.440 it unless we loved each other. I think a lot 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.400 of places can say that they do this, but in 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.719 Melbourne you actually feel it. So I'm glad you like 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.839 I'm glad you see that, and I'm glad that you 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.680 like appreciate it and understand it and makes it feel like, Okay, 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.080 we're not just doing this and be like a failed bit. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.920 I don't know. I think it's it's actually quite amazing 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.200 and I feel very proud of it. It's interesting getting 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.560 into the Rouphoul series four, getting onto this show for 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.680 someone like you, who is quite recognizable amongst communities, we'll 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.880 use scared about what that would do for your ability 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.040 to be booked. Yes, it's going to level you up 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.719 in the sense that you know, globally, people are probably 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.520 going to know you more and now you've got that 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.880 on your resume. But is there a chance that you 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.000 think to yourself, oh God, if I go on this show, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.480 I might be seeing a certain way and then I 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:17.679 might not be booked anymore. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.400 It's definitely a thought that crossed my mind. The only 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.680 reason I guess, under all my circumstances of actually doing 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.440 the show, of why I did in fact go and 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.560 do the show was because it was an opportunity to 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:37.640 further my career, so I didn't want to waste it. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.800 And I feel like at my heart, like in my heart, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.800 I've worked on being like this sounds so wanky, but 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.000 I'm like, I feel like I've really worked on trying 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.160 to be like a good person, and I'm like, as 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.760 much as there is, like you know, a bit of 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.919 shade or whatever towards girls in my season, or the 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.880 tighter I fabric that they pick, I feel like in 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.280 my heart, I'm like, there was no way that this 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.560 would be an opportunity didn't serve me. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.960 Yeah, I think as well, there's something very warm about you. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.640 There's something very vulnerable about you. There's something very fragile 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.080 about you in some ways. And I don't know whether 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.880 or not watching you on Drag Race this season it 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.200 might have had to do with the grief that you 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.280 were going through with a loss in your life and 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.280 the fact that you'd had a breakup. But did you 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.320 think that vulnerability being on the show helped you or 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.320 do you think it hindered you. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.720 I feel like in terms of people connecting with me 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.560 as a human being and maybe as a drug artist 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.640 as well, I feel like it has definitely served me well. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.640 I feel like it's been quite helpful. Is that I'm 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.160 not just this like face value, like pretty girl that 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.920 can do the splits, which is like I guess a 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.920 stereotype or like an archetype that is on the show. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.920 I guess quite regularly, I feel like, you know, I 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.360 am a human being and I do have things gone 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.040 out of my life, and I'm not going to mask 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.640 my emotions and I'm not going to pretend that everything 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.080 is fine, and because famously right now it's raining, it's pouring, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.040 actually like I'm experiencing a still experiencing grief in such 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.440 a like a heavy sort of way. But yeah, do 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:15.000 I think that these challenges and these I guess the 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.920 actual layout of Drag Race was helpful for me at 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.040 that time. No, I do not think it was very 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.800 serving to my soul as a human being for this 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:26.720 period of time. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.040 It is interesting that we talk about there whether or 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.000 not the actual experience can help us with a process. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.280 I tell people because people contact me a lot. I mean, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.280 I've done five hundred episodes of talking about reality television, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.320 so people contact me a lot about going on these 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.640 shows and what they should do. And I tell people, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.760 just grab your bag of crap and unpack it in 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.640 front of the in front of the television, because it 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.800 will help people connect to you. And whilst it will 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:55.240 be uncomfortable and I absolutely understand the uncomfortability of being 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.959 so vulnerable in front of the camera. I think that 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.640 the connection that you've had this e in with being 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.600 truly yourself and being so raw made you more accessible 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:06.440 than anyone else. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.199 I feel like, as much as we want to see 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.760 you know, I'm sure as much as people would have 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.720 loved to have seen me win a challenge or even 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.240 win the entire season, I'm like, oh no, I like 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.760 I jokingly say, and I feel like I say jokingly, 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.800 but I think I kind of mean it as I'm like, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.280 I think I've won the hearts of the hearts of many. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.520 I like I act like I'm the people's princess, and 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.840 that is funny considering like isis is like the reigning queen. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.760 I'm like, technically I am a princess if you want 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.000 to like get into it. But yeah, I think that honestly, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.280 after like after my experiences, the like people that have 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.560 reached out in terms of like other people that have 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.440 lost their parents and whatever like that's been, I'm like, 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.000 oh cool, I've actually like had an impact somewhere, Like 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:49.800 it hasn't just been like oh I did this show 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.400 and nothing really like I didn't win. I didn't win 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.439 a challenge I didn't like. I don't even like I 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.400 won the lip SYNX you know what I mean. Like 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.520 it like it's it's just cool to have made an 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.560 impact in some capacity, and as an emotional person, it's 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:06.479 comforting to know that those impacts were like emotion based. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.319 I think, and maybe this is not the right vox 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.080 pop but maybe it's just my own impression. But over 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.480 the history of reality television in the world, it's the 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.560 people that are the most vulnerable on television, not the 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.600 people that win, that have the longest career. And that's because, yes, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.319 there's an accolade and there's a response from the audience 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.200 if you're a winner. But I think that what people 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.000 want more than to watch people win is to relate 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.160 and to have some currency with what they're watching on television. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.560 Thank you for saying that. It's quite reassuring. I thought 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.520 I was going to go into this today, like this 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.040 whole day of like press being like great, I get 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.120 to talk about how I lost. But like you, you're 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.760 so insightful, and I feel like you, like really well, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.400 obviously you understand it, but I feel like you really 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.360 understand it. It's very very comforting. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.920 I just think it's a celebration, you know what. And 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.679 I say this to Stan Australia as well, Like, when 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.520 I get a chance to talk to people, I always 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.000 think it's your chance. It's your time to share your 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.080 story and show us a little bit of behind the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.120 scenes and be kind of unfiltered in a way, do 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:06.400 you know what I mean? Like, so much of what 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.920 gets put on the television in the end, regardless of 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.440 what series you're on or what format you're on, it 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.880 can be sort of changed a little bit. But when 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:15.880 I get to sit down and talk to these people, 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.079 I'm like, I want to elevate you and I want 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.680 to find out how you feel. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.800 No, it's great because famously I'm a girl that has 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.800 a lot of feelings. So thank you for giving me 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:26.120 a space to do that. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:28.440 I was like, I'm just going to try not to 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.560 be emotional talking to you about the grief in your life, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.920 because I did relate to that, and I know so 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.040 many people that I spoke to also related to it 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.480 as well. And there's no point in having a podcast 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.720 where two people are being emotional, So I'll just try 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:41.720 and hold it together. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.640 Look, if we wanted to sit here and cry it 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.840 like I'd do it another time. I'm like, if you 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.200 live in Melbourne, I'm like, we can just go get 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.760 a y on Chapel Street or something like. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.520 I'm here for it, babe. Was there a romance behind 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.280 the scenes or was that for camera? Like, you know, 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.760 was there any high I have a romantic involvement with 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.480 one of the other queens. I mean, I know what 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.320 I saw and I hear what I hear, but I 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.840 want to know from you. Was there a romance? 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.679 There was definitely a schomance. We For me personally, there 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.800 was already so much kind of going on, and it 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.400 felt very clear that there was a certain I don't 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.319 want to use like TV terms, but it felt like 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.040 there was definitely that was something that the show wanted 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.240 more of, and I think it was I'm like, I 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.120 was going through a breakup. I just lost my mom. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:28.880 I was like, I'm not going to just start fucking 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.120 fraending on camera like that was it is crazy to me? 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:36.160 I was like, was Freyer someone that I felt comfortable 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.920 cuddling up to on the bus ride home? Yes? Did 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.760 we sneak a kiss here and there? Yes? Am I 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.680 a human being that was grieving and didn't have grinder. Yes, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:51.400 like just yeah, it was definitely a schromance. But we're like, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.280 we're really really good friends now. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.559 And it's none of my business, but it would remissive 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.600 me not to ask you this question. Did you see 0:12:58.640 --> 0:12:59.360 all the deal with this? 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.200 Did see the deal? Raya and I have had many 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.040 visits post filming. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.080 Okay, I feel gross and creepy because I'm like forty 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.000 five and I'm like, now, talk to me. Did you 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.200 hook up with them? You know? 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.160 No, I don't think she cares. She's pretty open book 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.160 as well, like we have not sealed the deal. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:18.480 Okay, that's why. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.640 It was very aware of our time and place. But 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.640 definitely sisters, but like sisters from like Tasmania or something. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.080 That sounds worse. Okay, we'll move on. Let's move on. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.760 The Acting Challenge to me, scares the shit out of 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.280 me when I watch that every year, because I remember 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:39.880 when I was younger, my dad wanted me to be 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.240 an actor, and so I think I thought I wanted 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.079 to be an actor, and so I had auditions and 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.920 I could never remember my lines, and I just think 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.720 that this particular challenge is difficult. How hard was it 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.720 to be able to commit to this challenge. Was it 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.600 as impossible as I feel it looks? 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.920 Again, it's it was very rooted in. We filmed it 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.680 on a day that I was not feeling fantastic. And 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.840 I have a certificate in screen acting. I'm a theater kid, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.720 Like I wasn't worried about this challenge. I still don't 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.840 think that I did a bad job. And I was 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.760 the only queen in the entirety of my cast to 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.600 have been completely off script. And I'll tell you why. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.960 That's even more impressive because they gave us an hour 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.960 to learn it whilst also getting into drag and I 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.320 was the first person to go up. I was also like, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.400 there was no notes from Reese so like after the 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.040 first take. So basically I would just have to say 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.720 that this challenge was stupid and it reminded me of 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.800 something they would have done on season one of Down Under, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.280 Like it was a dumb challenge. It was really silly, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:43.960 and I. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.800 Yeah, in a good way, or like in a bad way, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:47.720 Like what do you mean. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.280 In a bad way. I don't think that they knew 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.880 what they were judging for with this challenge as well, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.600 Like like one of the guests. The guest judge literally 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.520 said like if I was, you know, I haven't seen 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.720 the episode. I don't yet, I don't what makes it in. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.920 But the guest judge said to me like, I think 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.840 you got the role. My critiques were so like in 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.600 the guest judge and even Reese at some points were like, yeah, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.160 you did a great job, and you look great tonight, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.600 to the point where we go back to Untucked and 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.000 the first thing Freya and Nikita say are like, oh, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.640 you're in the top this week, Max, and I was like, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.480 oh wow. I was like, yeah, well, do you know what? 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.840 It's interesting that you talk about that, because Meadow kind 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.840 does come across really interesting in this lineup of judges, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.760 and I in a lot of ways think it's going 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.640 to rub people the wrong way, Like he looks like 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.840 some straight bloke that's just wandered out of the pub 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.080 and thinks he's on a footy commentation commentation because he's 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.040 sort of very I don't know, I don't know. To me, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.600 it came across as quite fresh and quite real, So 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.960 I was happy with it. But how did it feel 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.800 listening to his commentary? Was it a little rough at times? 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.880 Yeah? Not so not so much for me. I feel 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.200 like I had great critiques from him, and I don't again, 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.400 I don't know what has been shown just yet, but 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.400 like I got great critiques from him. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.200 I think he had a small crush on you. I'm 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:00.880 just gonna say. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.240 I think he did as well. I I just write 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.680 that down. He likes the dolls, I really do. But yeah, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.800 it's like, how do you take constructive criticism from a 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.040 person who doesn't know what they're talking about? M and 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.400 he was just a prime example of that. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.760 Like Max, I will say, though Madakin is a comedian 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.920 right and a radio announcer, and he has transcended into acting. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.359 I can one hundred percent understand the under the rationale 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.040 of getting medow kind to be there, But I also 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.280 can understand that I could also understand that a lot 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.240 of people might not know madow Kine. Do you know 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:36.640 what I mean? 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.440 Yeah, I mean I was thinking that. I just said 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.400 that was more to do with like a drag competition studding, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.640 not necessarily to do with his I don't know. Again, Yeah, 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:46.960 I'm one of those people who doesn't know who he 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.240 isn't I didn't know who he was. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.200 I love that you don't know that because whenever they 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.880 introduced these people that are a little bit niche like 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.440 and today we have special guests madow kind and everyone 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.600 goes yay, And I was like, none of these bitches 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.920 have any idea who this guy. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.840 We had no clue. I just remember, like I think 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.160 vibe specifically, it was like I could kill that man. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:11.879 Amazing, it was amazing. I actually think, you know. The 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.800 other takeaway from the episode in relation to the special 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.000 guest was Hannah Conda to me was completely wasted. Like 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:23.400 Hannah Coonda should have been more in this episode and like, oh, 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.840 like we should have been on the runway doing the critiques. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.679 I think being in the res Nicholson role of the 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.000 interaction with the queens through the acting challenge. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.560 I completely agree. I think that if we had Hannah 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.800 for more of it, I would have felt like I 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.520 was in safer hands. Yeah, I would have felt like 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.680 less tom foolery was about co signed that one. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.679 The other thing is I have a feeling that you 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.959 went home because you're in the bottom of the week before, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.399 and I felt after last week's episode that I was like, 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.359 if Max End's up in the bottom, I feel like 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.879 Michelle is going to send Max home, which I was 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.440 really scared about, but I turned out I was right. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.800 Do you think it's the right decision? Forms or rue 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.159