Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They're right. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: welcome back to TV Reload. I want to thank you
Speaker 1: for clicking and downloading on today's episode with Max Drag Queen,
Speaker 1: who was the fifth eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race
Speaker 1: down Under season four. This week we saw a queen
Speaker 1: go home that obviously had a lot of emotions bubbling
Speaker 1: below the surface. I really enjoyed Max on this series,
Speaker 1: and I think while they were eliminated, we've only been
Speaker 1: given a glimpse of what she will be able to
Speaker 1: achieve in the space of entertainment moving forward. Max will
Speaker 1: share her thoughts on Michelle's decision to send her home
Speaker 1: and if a queen that has hit the bottom two
Speaker 1: three times is the most deserved to be eliminated. We
Speaker 1: will unpack bringing raw emotions into a competition like this
Speaker 1: and if they help or hinder your time on RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race. I ask about the hookup and we will
Speaker 1: find out what happened next and where Freyer sits in
Speaker 1: her life right now. You will get everything from what
Speaker 1: an acting challenge is really like. If Hannah Conder was
Speaker 1: wasted as a guest, and what she thinks of maddow
Speaker 1: kind critiques, which were.
Speaker 2: A little bit out of the box.
Speaker 1: There's actually so much to talk about, with so many
Speaker 1: inside revelations. So guys sit back and relax as we
Speaker 1: unpack the wonderful world of RuPaul's drag Race down Under
Speaker 1: season four. Oh my god, Max, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing better now that I've seen your face. How
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 1: So? I'm well, I'm well. But you know what, you
Speaker 1: were the only queen this year that I actually knew
Speaker 1: of going into this season, So when I saw your
Speaker 1: name come up, I was like, I've seen Max perform
Speaker 1: a lot of times and I just can't wait to
Speaker 1: see how you go on this season. So I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's very, very kind of you to say hello,
Speaker 2: thank you. That's I'm glad I already have blush on
Speaker 2: our lives. I'd be like, I'm blushing. You know.
Speaker 1: It's so weird though, I keep thinking about this throughout
Speaker 1: this season. I feel so patriotic about Victorian queens on
Speaker 1: this series. Do you feel like you are representing your state? Like,
Speaker 1: what does it feel like when you're in the competition?
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily feel like we were representing our states.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Brisbane girls were really like vocal about
Speaker 2: being from Brisbane. I feel like it's because they haven't
Speaker 2: had as much like representation on the show thus far,
Speaker 2: so they were quite proud. The New Zealand girls, Olivia
Speaker 2: was very proud to be doing it for Wellington, but
Speaker 2: I think the Sydney and Melbourne girls were like, it's
Speaker 2: just another gig. Not to say that we didn't appreciate
Speaker 2: it and the opportunity, but like we were really just
Speaker 2: like ah, I mean across Lazy, Brenda and I we
Speaker 2: were like the triangle of like Melbourne Drag.
Speaker 1: I want to know what your thoughts are though on
Speaker 1: Melbourne's signature drag, because I feel because I've traveled around
Speaker 1: Australia a lot. I've even seen the Drag shows over
Speaker 1: in New Zealand, so like for me, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a bit of an esthetic or there's there's a
Speaker 1: flavor that comes to being from a particular town. Do
Speaker 1: you Melbourne has like a signature of feel and look
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: I've always said, and this kind of changes every now
Speaker 2: and then, but I kind of feel like Sydney is
Speaker 2: so show girl based because of like Priscilla and things
Speaker 2: like that. This sounds like after just saying that, but
Speaker 2: like Sydney is a good face like they're quite like
Speaker 2: face value, they're really good when it comes to community
Speaker 2: and heart, I genuinely, with my full chest think that
Speaker 2: Melbourne takes the cake for that. I think I'm just
Speaker 2: speaking to my own personal experience when I say that,
Speaker 2: though Melbourne drag and Melbourne like queer community feels so
Speaker 2: like gay communities can be, we know how it is,
Speaker 2: but like it feels like there's more of a heart
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, and I think that shows through our drag
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I think about Melbourne is that
Speaker 1: I think the queens get off the stage and interact
Speaker 1: with audiences a little bit more, and there's a little
Speaker 1: bit more personality or approachability.
Speaker 2: Maybe I agree, I I wholeheartedly agree. I feel like
Speaker 2: Sydney girls get off the stage and go back to
Speaker 2: the dressing room and then don't come out for the
Speaker 2: rest of the night. I am someone that's like, well,
Speaker 2: why not interact with the people that you're basically can
Speaker 2: I swear on.
Speaker 1: This, yeah, go for it? Fucking sweat?
Speaker 2: Why don't interact with the people. I've been I fucking
Speaker 2: all night, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've seen you perform, and I've watched you get off
Speaker 1: the stage and be incredibly approachable, and it's one of
Speaker 1: the things about you that I've always appreciated is your
Speaker 1: ability to sort of bring yourself down to a level
Speaker 1: when you look like the way that you look like,
Speaker 1: you look like a fierce queen that would scare the
Speaker 1: shit out of someone. But then you'll be like, hey,
Speaker 1: how I.
Speaker 2: That's really sweet of you to say. I feel like,
Speaker 2: I'm not mean, I'm just painted that way, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I'm like I want to I feel like that's
Speaker 2: people come out to watch you, and they're in the
Speaker 2: bar supporting you, and I can tell who's there to
Speaker 2: have a party and who's there to watch drag, and
Speaker 2: I feel like to make sure that I still have
Speaker 2: people in the audience that want to see drag, I'm like,
Speaker 2: the least I can do is have a conversation and
Speaker 2: be personable. I feel like it makes my night just
Speaker 2: as much as it makes like somebody else's. So thank
Speaker 2: you for saying that.
Speaker 1: It's funny because like back in the day, there was
Speaker 1: a place called the Exchange. This is before your time,
Speaker 1: but it was.
Speaker 2: Aware of her. Though I've heard many stories.
Speaker 1: And the Queen's backstage because I used to know a
Speaker 1: lot of them and would go backstage. Actually I didn't
Speaker 1: know that my partner would. He would drag me backstage
Speaker 1: and it was hilarious to listen to the banter that
Speaker 1: was bet all of them, because the banter backstage was
Speaker 1: always more savage than it was on stage, like they
Speaker 1: had sort of a stage persona. Where then in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: I feel like the evolution of drag has been to
Speaker 1: bring that to the stage and so that old banter
Speaker 1: that used to be sort of so exciting to listen
Speaker 1: to and so entertaining has been brought to the stage
Speaker 1: and I love that.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite thing about Yeah, Melbourne drag is
Speaker 2: the fact that we are able to We're able to
Speaker 2: be caddy and like, you know, shady with each other,
Speaker 2: but we know in our heart that we wouldn't say
Speaker 2: it unless we loved each other. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of places can say that they do this, but in
Speaker 2: Melbourne you actually feel it. So I'm glad you like
Speaker 2: I'm glad you see that, and I'm glad that you
Speaker 2: like appreciate it and understand it and makes it feel like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're not just doing this and be like a failed bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's it's actually quite amazing
Speaker 1: and I feel very proud of it. It's interesting getting
Speaker 1: into the Rouphoul series four, getting onto this show for
Speaker 1: someone like you, who is quite recognizable amongst communities, we'll
Speaker 1: use scared about what that would do for your ability
Speaker 1: to be booked. Yes, it's going to level you up
Speaker 1: in the sense that you know, globally, people are probably
Speaker 1: going to know you more and now you've got that
Speaker 1: on your resume. But is there a chance that you
Speaker 1: think to yourself, oh God, if I go on this show,
Speaker 1: I might be seeing a certain way and then I
Speaker 1: might not be booked anymore.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a thought that crossed my mind. The only
Speaker 2: reason I guess, under all my circumstances of actually doing
Speaker 2: the show, of why I did in fact go and
Speaker 2: do the show was because it was an opportunity to
Speaker 2: further my career, so I didn't want to waste it.
Speaker 2: And I feel like at my heart, like in my heart,
Speaker 2: I've worked on being like this sounds so wanky, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I've really worked on trying
Speaker 2: to be like a good person, and I'm like, as
Speaker 2: much as there is, like you know, a bit of
Speaker 2: shade or whatever towards girls in my season, or the
Speaker 2: tighter I fabric that they pick, I feel like in
Speaker 2: my heart, I'm like, there was no way that this
Speaker 2: would be an opportunity didn't serve me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as well, there's something very warm about you.
Speaker 1: There's something very vulnerable about you. There's something very fragile
Speaker 1: about you in some ways. And I don't know whether
Speaker 1: or not watching you on Drag Race this season it
Speaker 1: might have had to do with the grief that you
Speaker 1: were going through with a loss in your life and
Speaker 1: the fact that you'd had a breakup. But did you
Speaker 1: think that vulnerability being on the show helped you or
Speaker 1: do you think it hindered you.
Speaker 2: I feel like in terms of people connecting with me
Speaker 2: as a human being and maybe as a drug artist
Speaker 2: as well, I feel like it has definitely served me well.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's been quite helpful. Is that I'm
Speaker 2: not just this like face value, like pretty girl that
Speaker 2: can do the splits, which is like I guess a
Speaker 2: stereotype or like an archetype that is on the show.
Speaker 2: I guess quite regularly, I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 2: am a human being and I do have things gone
Speaker 2: out of my life, and I'm not going to mask
Speaker 2: my emotions and I'm not going to pretend that everything
Speaker 2: is fine, and because famously right now it's raining, it's pouring,
Speaker 2: actually like I'm experiencing a still experiencing grief in such
Speaker 2: a like a heavy sort of way. But yeah, do
Speaker 2: I think that these challenges and these I guess the
Speaker 2: actual layout of Drag Race was helpful for me at
Speaker 2: that time. No, I do not think it was very
Speaker 2: serving to my soul as a human being for this
Speaker 2: period of time.
Speaker 1: It is interesting that we talk about there whether or
Speaker 1: not the actual experience can help us with a process.
Speaker 1: I tell people because people contact me a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've done five hundred episodes of talking about reality television,
Speaker 1: so people contact me a lot about going on these
Speaker 1: shows and what they should do. And I tell people,
Speaker 1: just grab your bag of crap and unpack it in
Speaker 1: front of the in front of the television, because it
Speaker 1: will help people connect to you. And whilst it will
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable and I absolutely understand the uncomfortability of being
Speaker 1: so vulnerable in front of the camera. I think that
Speaker 1: the connection that you've had this e in with being
Speaker 1: truly yourself and being so raw made you more accessible
Speaker 1: than anyone else.
Speaker 2: I feel like, as much as we want to see
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure as much as people would have
Speaker 2: loved to have seen me win a challenge or even
Speaker 2: win the entire season, I'm like, oh no, I like
Speaker 2: I jokingly say, and I feel like I say jokingly,
Speaker 2: but I think I kind of mean it as I'm like,
Speaker 2: I think I've won the hearts of the hearts of many.
Speaker 2: I like I act like I'm the people's princess, and
Speaker 2: that is funny considering like isis is like the reigning queen.
Speaker 2: I'm like, technically I am a princess if you want
Speaker 2: to like get into it. But yeah, I think that honestly,
Speaker 2: after like after my experiences, the like people that have
Speaker 2: reached out in terms of like other people that have
Speaker 2: lost their parents and whatever like that's been, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh cool, I've actually like had an impact somewhere, Like
Speaker 2: it hasn't just been like oh I did this show
Speaker 2: and nothing really like I didn't win. I didn't win
Speaker 2: a challenge I didn't like. I don't even like I
Speaker 2: won the lip SYNX you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: it like it's it's just cool to have made an
Speaker 2: impact in some capacity, and as an emotional person, it's
Speaker 2: comforting to know that those impacts were like emotion based.
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe this is not the right vox
Speaker 1: pop but maybe it's just my own impression. But over
Speaker 1: the history of reality television in the world, it's the
Speaker 1: people that are the most vulnerable on television, not the
Speaker 1: people that win, that have the longest career. And that's because, yes,
Speaker 1: there's an accolade and there's a response from the audience
Speaker 1: if you're a winner. But I think that what people
Speaker 1: want more than to watch people win is to relate
Speaker 1: and to have some currency with what they're watching on television.
Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. It's quite reassuring. I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to go into this today, like this
Speaker 2: whole day of like press being like great, I get
Speaker 2: to talk about how I lost. But like you, you're
Speaker 2: so insightful, and I feel like you, like really well,
Speaker 2: obviously you understand it, but I feel like you really
Speaker 2: understand it. It's very very comforting.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a celebration, you know what. And
Speaker 1: I say this to Stan Australia as well, Like, when
Speaker 1: I get a chance to talk to people, I always
Speaker 1: think it's your chance. It's your time to share your
Speaker 1: story and show us a little bit of behind the
Speaker 1: scenes and be kind of unfiltered in a way, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, so much of what
Speaker 1: gets put on the television in the end, regardless of
Speaker 1: what series you're on or what format you're on, it
Speaker 1: can be sort of changed a little bit. But when
Speaker 1: I get to sit down and talk to these people,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to elevate you and I want
Speaker 1: to find out how you feel.
Speaker 2: No, it's great because famously I'm a girl that has
Speaker 2: a lot of feelings. So thank you for giving me
Speaker 2: a space to do that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just going to try not to
Speaker 1: be emotional talking to you about the grief in your life,
Speaker 1: because I did relate to that, and I know so
Speaker 1: many people that I spoke to also related to it
Speaker 1: as well. And there's no point in having a podcast
Speaker 1: where two people are being emotional, So I'll just try
Speaker 1: and hold it together.
Speaker 2: Look, if we wanted to sit here and cry it
Speaker 2: like I'd do it another time. I'm like, if you
Speaker 2: live in Melbourne, I'm like, we can just go get
Speaker 2: a y on Chapel Street or something like.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, babe. Was there a romance behind
Speaker 1: the scenes or was that for camera? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: was there any high I have a romantic involvement with
Speaker 1: one of the other queens. I mean, I know what
Speaker 1: I saw and I hear what I hear, but I
Speaker 1: want to know from you. Was there a romance?
Speaker 2: There was definitely a schomance. We For me personally, there
Speaker 2: was already so much kind of going on, and it
Speaker 2: felt very clear that there was a certain I don't
Speaker 2: want to use like TV terms, but it felt like
Speaker 2: there was definitely that was something that the show wanted
Speaker 2: more of, and I think it was I'm like, I
Speaker 2: was going through a breakup. I just lost my mom.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not going to just start fucking
Speaker 2: fraending on camera like that was it is crazy to me?
Speaker 2: I was like, was Freyer someone that I felt comfortable
Speaker 2: cuddling up to on the bus ride home? Yes? Did
Speaker 2: we sneak a kiss here and there? Yes? Am I
Speaker 2: a human being that was grieving and didn't have grinder. Yes,
Speaker 2: like just yeah, it was definitely a schromance. But we're like,
Speaker 2: we're really really good friends now.
Speaker 1: And it's none of my business, but it would remissive
Speaker 1: me not to ask you this question. Did you see
Speaker 1: all the deal with this?
Speaker 2: Did see the deal? Raya and I have had many
Speaker 2: visits post filming.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel gross and creepy because I'm like forty
Speaker 1: five and I'm like, now, talk to me. Did you
Speaker 1: hook up with them? You know?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she cares. She's pretty open book
Speaker 2: as well, like we have not sealed the deal.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's why.
Speaker 2: It was very aware of our time and place. But
Speaker 2: definitely sisters, but like sisters from like Tasmania or something.
Speaker 1: That sounds worse. Okay, we'll move on. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: The Acting Challenge to me, scares the shit out of
Speaker 1: me when I watch that every year, because I remember
Speaker 1: when I was younger, my dad wanted me to be
Speaker 1: an actor, and so I think I thought I wanted
Speaker 1: to be an actor, and so I had auditions and
Speaker 1: I could never remember my lines, and I just think
Speaker 1: that this particular challenge is difficult. How hard was it
Speaker 1: to be able to commit to this challenge. Was it
Speaker 1: as impossible as I feel it looks?
Speaker 2: Again, it's it was very rooted in. We filmed it
Speaker 2: on a day that I was not feeling fantastic. And
Speaker 2: I have a certificate in screen acting. I'm a theater kid,
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't worried about this challenge. I still don't
Speaker 2: think that I did a bad job. And I was
Speaker 2: the only queen in the entirety of my cast to
Speaker 2: have been completely off script. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2: That's even more impressive because they gave us an hour
Speaker 2: to learn it whilst also getting into drag and I
Speaker 2: was the first person to go up. I was also like,
Speaker 2: there was no notes from Reese so like after the
Speaker 2: first take. So basically I would just have to say
Speaker 2: that this challenge was stupid and it reminded me of
Speaker 2: something they would have done on season one of Down Under,
Speaker 2: Like it was a dumb challenge. It was really silly,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a good way, or like in a bad way,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean.
Speaker 2: In a bad way. I don't think that they knew
Speaker 2: what they were judging for with this challenge as well,
Speaker 2: Like like one of the guests. The guest judge literally
Speaker 2: said like if I was, you know, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the episode. I don't yet, I don't what makes it in.
Speaker 2: But the guest judge said to me like, I think
Speaker 2: you got the role. My critiques were so like in
Speaker 2: the guest judge and even Reese at some points were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you did a great job, and you look great tonight,
Speaker 2: to the point where we go back to Untucked and
Speaker 2: the first thing Freya and Nikita say are like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're in the top this week, Max, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh wow. I was like, yeah, well, do you know what?
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you talk about that, because Meadow kind
Speaker 1: does come across really interesting in this lineup of judges,
Speaker 1: and I in a lot of ways think it's going
Speaker 1: to rub people the wrong way, Like he looks like
Speaker 1: some straight bloke that's just wandered out of the pub
Speaker 1: and thinks he's on a footy commentation commentation because he's
Speaker 1: sort of very I don't know, I don't know. To me,
Speaker 1: it came across as quite fresh and quite real, So
Speaker 1: I was happy with it. But how did it feel
Speaker 1: listening to his commentary? Was it a little rough at times?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not so not so much for me. I feel
Speaker 2: like I had great critiques from him, and I don't again,
Speaker 2: I don't know what has been shown just yet, but
Speaker 2: like I got great critiques from him.
Speaker 1: I think he had a small crush on you. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say.
Speaker 2: I think he did as well. I I just write
Speaker 2: that down. He likes the dolls, I really do. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, how do you take constructive criticism from a
Speaker 2: person who doesn't know what they're talking about? M and
Speaker 2: he was just a prime example of that.
Speaker 1: Like Max, I will say, though Madakin is a comedian
Speaker 1: right and a radio announcer, and he has transcended into acting.
Speaker 1: I can one hundred percent understand the under the rationale
Speaker 1: of getting medow kind to be there, But I also
Speaker 1: can understand that I could also understand that a lot
Speaker 1: of people might not know madow Kine. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was thinking that. I just said
Speaker 2: that was more to do with like a drag competition studding,
Speaker 2: not necessarily to do with his I don't know. Again, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people who doesn't know who he
Speaker 2: isn't I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: I love that you don't know that because whenever they
Speaker 1: introduced these people that are a little bit niche like
Speaker 1: and today we have special guests madow kind and everyone
Speaker 1: goes yay, And I was like, none of these bitches
Speaker 1: have any idea who this guy.
Speaker 2: We had no clue. I just remember, like I think
Speaker 2: vibe specifically, it was like I could kill that man.
Speaker 1: Amazing, it was amazing. I actually think, you know. The
Speaker 1: other takeaway from the episode in relation to the special
Speaker 1: guest was Hannah Conda to me was completely wasted. Like
Speaker 1: Hannah Coonda should have been more in this episode and like, oh,
Speaker 1: like we should have been on the runway doing the critiques.
Speaker 1: I think being in the res Nicholson role of the
Speaker 1: interaction with the queens through the acting challenge.
Speaker 2: I completely agree. I think that if we had Hannah
Speaker 2: for more of it, I would have felt like I
Speaker 2: was in safer hands. Yeah, I would have felt like
Speaker 2: less tom foolery was about co signed that one.
Speaker 1: The other thing is I have a feeling that you
Speaker 1: went home because you're in the bottom of the week before,
Speaker 1: and I felt after last week's episode that I was like,
Speaker 1: if Max End's up in the bottom, I feel like
Speaker 1: Michelle is going to send Max home, which I was
Speaker 1: really scared about, but I turned out I was right.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's the right decision? Forms or rue
Speaker 1: Paul in the history of this show that if they
Speaker 1: say a queen in the bottom again in the second
Speaker 1: for a second time, that there's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a reason to send that one home over someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 2: I think that the Makeover Challenge, I don't think I
Speaker 2: should have been in the bottom. To be quiet, Frank,
Speaker 2: I've been very like honest about that. I'm like, that
Speaker 2: is my opinion, and honestly, I know you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to read the comments, but I'm like it's a lot
Speaker 2: of other people's opinions as well. It's a really I
Speaker 2: didn't fight when we were doing our post elimination like
Speaker 2: interviews because I was like, they were like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: it's your third time in the bottom. Like I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how this goes on this show.
Speaker 2: Like if you are constantly, you know, deemed by the
Speaker 2: judges as the person that's in the bottom or the
Speaker 2: weaker link in their eyes, you go home. They want
Speaker 2: it to be the you know, the best that make
Speaker 2: it to the end of the competition. I will say
Speaker 2: it did feel like Michelle was kind of I felt
Speaker 2: like like a mercy kill is what it felt like.
Speaker 2: The interactions I had had with Michelle earlier that day
Speaker 2: after the walkthrough, she saw I was very visibly upset
Speaker 2: and she could tell I was quite done. She very
Speaker 2: much felt like it felt like a mercy kill, of like,
Speaker 2: I think it's your time to go, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to I'm going to help orchestrate that.
Speaker 1: I really hope that overall, what I hope for you
Speaker 1: out of this whole experience is for it to help
Speaker 1: with your confidence. And there is so much about you
Speaker 1: as a performer that is electrifying, and I think that
Speaker 1: you'll be able to harness a lot of your anxiety.
Speaker 1: And if you were to compete in a competition after
Speaker 1: learning from this experience, I think again, I think that
Speaker 1: we would see you really flourish. I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of entertainers, if we can work out where do
Speaker 1: we put our emotions and our raw energy and how
Speaker 1: we harness that elevates us. And I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Michelle thought it was a mercy kill because you
Speaker 1: needed to go, But I feel like if you came
Speaker 1: back back back again learning from this experience, I think
Speaker 1: you win something like this. I, with my full chest.
Speaker 2: Think that I could win this.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of youers thought you could.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't necessarily want to, but I think that
Speaker 2: given a second opportunity, if I was ever granted one
Speaker 2: trust and believe that I would be coming back on
Speaker 2: this track like mad as Hello, there would be there
Speaker 2: would be no mercy from my end, at least I
Speaker 2: think I would. I would come to Yeah, I'd come
Speaker 2: to properly play. I feel like, yeah, y'all saw me
Speaker 2: very vulnerable. The next time it will it will not
Speaker 2: be something of a similar vein. You can only lose
Speaker 2: your mum once, right, Yes.
Speaker 1: I know, I know that's what's so hard about it.
Speaker 1: But we learn, we all learn so hard and so
Speaker 1: fast from something like this, which is such a big
Speaker 1: and brutal experience. I just think that you'd be able
Speaker 1: to use it differently. Running out of time, and I
Speaker 1: honestly could talk to you about everything, like I want
Speaker 1: to know who your favorite drag queen of all time is.
Speaker 1: I would love to know who your favorite austraying down
Speaker 1: Under queen is like, there's so many questions I would
Speaker 1: love to ask. If you've got the quick answers for those,
Speaker 1: you can quickly throw them in.
Speaker 2: Look, i will combine the two. My favorite drag Queen
Speaker 2: of all time is Iso said as the ren. I
Speaker 2: think that she is just like simply the best.
Speaker 1: What is something from behind the scenes, something that that's
Speaker 1: something I finished this podcast with every time, what is
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something that we as an
Speaker 1: audience might not necessarily know? And I've just been asking everyone,
Speaker 1: because we have a lot of red tape around the series,
Speaker 1: how much money did you spend on your drag Can
Speaker 1: you tell me? Can you tell me what your bank
Speaker 1: balance looks like now?
Speaker 2: The bank balance looks a lot better now because the
Speaker 2: book needs are coming in. I've got yeah, I pulled
Speaker 2: a lot of favors for drag Race. I'll just say
Speaker 2: that I think I spent less than.
Speaker 1: Ten Okay, well that's good. That's probably less than other people.
Speaker 1: I have to let you go, but I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know that I have so many friends
Speaker 1: of mine have seen you perform in the last few months,
Speaker 1: and it was funny. I was at a lunch the
Speaker 1: other day and someone saw you in New South Wales
Speaker 1: in some regional they said how amazing you were. They
Speaker 1: thought you were so fantastic. I think that this group,
Speaker 1: Joll's Drag Race, could launch people in a particular way
Speaker 1: that is absolutely necessary. I feel like you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: need a show like this. I feel like you in
Speaker 1: your career would be on the similar trajectory because you
Speaker 1: have what it takes to entertain live audiences and you
Speaker 1: should be really proud of that.
Speaker 2: Thank you. You've genuinely been one of my favorite people
Speaker 2: to talk to you today. I really appreciate every single
Speaker 2: thing that you said.
Speaker 1: I have the Max T shirt.