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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was. It is an

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Speaker 1: all female lineup this morning. We've got Maury Claire Birthby

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Speaker 1: from the COLP. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Warning Katy and to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: We've got Kathleen Gazola from nine years Darwin.

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Speaker 4: Morning, I made it.

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Speaker 1: We've got Keyesier Puich from out there in the rural area,

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Speaker 1: the member for Goider.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And we have got Kate Warden from Labor who is

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Speaker 1: indeed the Minister for Police and Territory Families.

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Speaker 5: Lots of portfolios, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you all in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Now, look we might kick things off with the decision

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Speaker 1: that was made overnight. We learned the on again, off

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Speaker 1: again Lee Point Defense Housing project. Well it's off again

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Speaker 1: Defense Housing Australia announcing that it had voluntarily stopped work

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Speaker 1: until the end of March. In a terse website statement,

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Speaker 1: the DHA said it would work on cultural issues around

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Speaker 1: the project and DHA has made the decision to voluntarily

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Speaker 1: stop work at Lee Point until March thirty one, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 3: The statement read.

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Speaker 1: It continues by saying we will be using this time

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Speaker 1: to work with relevant relevant government agencies and respond to

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Speaker 1: the application regarding Aboriginal cultural heritage at the site. Now,

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Speaker 1: no doubt the announcement is going to be well welcomed

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Speaker 1: by those who've been opposed to the project, but others

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Speaker 1: is going to be questioning, well, where do we expect

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Speaker 1: people to live if we don't have housing developments get

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Speaker 1: up and moving? And what kind of certainty does this

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Speaker 1: give two people that do want.

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Speaker 3: To get developments underway.

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Speaker 6: Well, the one thing it does lots of things. It

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Speaker 6: upsets the certainty regime for business people and developers clearly

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Speaker 6: because you know, they work within the framework. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this has been going on, what we decided for about

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Speaker 6: five years, the planning, I should say even longer, longer longer,

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Speaker 6: you know, actually, and there would have been pink signs

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Speaker 6: for you know, development applications. There's probably even been yellow

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Speaker 6: signs for rezoning applications. You know, it's not my area,

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Speaker 6: but I know the area well from being a kid.

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Speaker 6: So my question has always been where were these people

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Speaker 6: five years ago when this thing was proposed? You know,

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Speaker 6: you know, and this hasn't just happened willy nilly. There's

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Speaker 5: Sacred side tale a sale.

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Speaker 6: The land has gone from anty government to defense et cetera.

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Speaker 6: So you know, it's a little bit like a little

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Speaker 6: bit late to the party kind of thing, you know.

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Speaker 6: And why defense housing has suddenly stopped for another eight months,

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Speaker 6: I just think they've just said this is all too hard,

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Speaker 6: this is too hard.

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Speaker 3: And we've seen them before happen up here, you know.

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Speaker 6: When they suddenly find these you know, cultural significant areas

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Speaker 6: or these sacred sites or whatever, the proponents go, this

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Speaker 6: is too hard, this is too hard to do work

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Speaker 6: in the Northern Territory. We're going to take our money

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Speaker 6: somewhere else. And that's going to be a tricky issue

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Speaker 6: for government because, as you said, the kind of people

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Speaker 6: who live in these areas are usually young couples or

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Speaker 3: Well, you try to enter the housing markets hired.

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Speaker 6: People who just want to downsize from a bigger property

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Speaker 1: And look, I've got friends who are opposed to this project,

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Speaker 1: so I'm sure that I'm probably going to upset some

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Speaker 3: But you know, like everybody's got there with the land and.

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Speaker 1: They've got their houses with their save the Goldy and

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Speaker 3: You know, how did you enter that market and you're living.

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Speaker 1: In you know, out in that area that land had

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Speaker 6: Where were these people when we were fighting a really

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Speaker 6: Now that was a huge fight that the residents fought,

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Speaker 6: And there are special birds and bugs out there too.

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Speaker 6: Where were these people trying to help us in that fight?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 6: They only go for the sexy things in the city

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Speaker 3: So where have they been for the last years? This

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Speaker 1: And I think that we are suffering from a housing

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Speaker 1: crisis in Australia right now. And if we think that

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Speaker 1: we're immune from that here in the Northern Territory, well

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Speaker 1: you're dead wrong. We've got a situation where how bloody

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Speaker 1: Now nobody wants their blocks of lands divided into triplex blocks.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants a duplex, nobody wants a new suburb that's

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Speaker 3: Their So where are we proposing.

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Speaker 5: And didn't we fight that battle?

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Speaker 1: That's the thing it's written like, I get, we get

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Speaker 1: that people, you know, I get I get it that

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Speaker 1: there would be different reasons why people are opposed to projects.

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Speaker 1: I one hundred percent to understand that. But if you

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Speaker 5: I think, Katie, this does prove to you that you'll

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Speaker 5: never please everybody, and it's a difficult situation. And obviously

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Speaker 5: it's it is a defense housing project and they've made

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Speaker 5: this decision, so it's sort of out of everybody else's hands.

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Speaker 5: And to see how tricky that is for them now

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Speaker 5: they're going through that cultural I think there assessing culturally.

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Speaker 5: I think the thing is this does give you a

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Speaker 5: really good sense that government just needs to get on

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Speaker 5: I'm talking here normal territory government, of course, and that's

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Speaker 5: what we're doing in release and more land release and

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Speaker 5: looking at those areas out by Palmerston, which is where

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Speaker 5: traditionally a lot of younger people have gone and over

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Speaker 5: more not so much first home owners. But you're right,

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Speaker 5: You know that smaller footprint and getting people into homes

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Speaker 5: is just so down important and you know, a bigger

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Speaker 5: every level, whether it's upgrading all your first home, and

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Speaker 5: that's that's really important. And so that's sort of that

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Speaker 5: whole development and that planning for Holts and Kowandi into

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Speaker 5: the future is what we've done.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Woods messaged and said Wedell.

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Speaker 5: And sorry, Jerry.

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Speaker 7: The thing is, though, like we're so far behind now.

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Speaker 7: You've got to release that land and you've got to

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Speaker 7: do the civil work. So that's still several years away.

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Speaker 7: The people that we're probably going to be there would

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Speaker 4: The defense spend. They're going to be taking up.

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Speaker 7: Other areas because they also get subsidies, so that's going

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Speaker 7: to make it even tighter. We've got the international students

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Speaker 7: meant to be coming in the world. We're still development

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Speaker 5: So we also have to remember there's North Crest, and

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Speaker 5: an opportunity for people to buy land, but I guess

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Speaker 8: So I think what concerns me, I think Keysyer might

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Speaker 8: it sends to other investors and developers who do want

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Speaker 2: And you know, we can't.

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Speaker 8: Keep putting up the sign to say we're closed and

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Speaker 8: national scale. I mean, if it's Canberra that of making

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Speaker 8: at on cost. All of those things are very concerning.

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Speaker 8: And you know, in a time where we need to

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Speaker 1: And it is the same week of course that the

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Speaker 1: and trolls campaigning against her government's gas and petrochemical projects.

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Speaker 1: So we did hear the Chief Minister take aim at

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Speaker 1: interstate opponents. Opponents, I should say to fracking and the

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Speaker 1: Body and the Beaterloo traditional owners say that objection to

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Speaker 1: projects is being led by territorians. Now, I think that

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Speaker 1: you can sort of while they're very different projects, we

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Speaker 1: you've got the Chief Minister on one hand saying we

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Speaker 1: it's the land of opportunity. But then we've got on

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Speaker 1: the other hand the federal government halting you know, this

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Speaker 1: I know that they're very different, but it does really

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Speaker 1: send that message of are we open for business? Well,

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Speaker 1: we want to be, but if there is too much opposition,

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Speaker 1: hang on, stop what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: Well, we are open for business, Katie, And I think

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was in the Press Club this week

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Speaker 5: and I heard her speech, and I think not only that,

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Speaker 5: but I was there for the questions after, which was

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Speaker 5: the important part. It was really clear and very interesting

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Speaker 5: that even the journals that were asking questions about fracking

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Speaker 5: had not read the Pepper Inquiry and hadn't even bothered

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Speaker 5: to do their homework, which really rammed down the point

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Speaker 5: that she was making. Stop making commentary until you've been here,

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Speaker 5: Stop making commentary about the territory. You don't live here,

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Speaker 5: about all everything, And that's the point that she was making,

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Speaker 5: and it was really clear. It just happened that one

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Speaker 5: if he'd actually read the Pepper Inquiry, he stood there

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Speaker 5: I'll have a discussion with you when you have, because

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Speaker 5: we have done everything we committed to in that Pepper Inquiry,

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Speaker 7: we're how long from the Pepper inquiry? Why is she

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 7: But you have to admit, you have to admit that

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Speaker 5: Are not going to change their views. Cat So what

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Speaker 5: I think we did talk about it.

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Speaker 7: I mean in this same one occasionally makes the headlines

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I've got to read that study or oh

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Speaker 5: I certainly have talked about it, even in my own electorate.

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Speaker 5: We those words around the pepperin choir. We've in those

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Speaker 5: Teals have started to be a bit you know, the

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Speaker 3: Months ago and that certainly.

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Speaker 8: Also the Teals are just a minority group, but they're

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Speaker 8: and actually going to labor like the like all the

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Speaker 1: That's exactly in Victoria they're saying, now no gas.

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Speaker 5: Basically, yeah, they don't want it. Victoria don't want you know,

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Speaker 1: And Cat's making is a really good one in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've all known here in the territory that

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Speaker 5: Wells has happened, but also only it is happening, and

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Speaker 1: More importantly, when are we going to see the jobs

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Speaker 5: Well, there's already some jobs, and we're not just doing gas.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's nice to have third party endorsement

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Speaker 1: You confident that we are going to reach that forty

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Speaker 5: It's literally absolutely seven years ago. Oh absolutely, I am.

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Speaker 5: I can see where things are going. We can see

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Speaker 5: as things move along, it's you know what I hear,

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Speaker 5: We'll get us there, and I am very confident that we.

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Speaker 1: Will understand though how some people are a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yep, we'll keep going. The power is still spreading, the

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Speaker 7: It has put those hurdles in place, that handbrake on

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Speaker 4: Have we missed that opportunity that we could have seen

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Speaker 6: The world may have moved on a little bit from gas,

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Speaker 6: and we're not going to get nuclear power, which would

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Speaker 6: these projects can move you move forward. I mean, you're commented,

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Speaker 6: Katie about what's happening. I think what we've got to

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 6: So these things just take time. They're hugely complex, and

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Speaker 6: Gas is very, very different. So it's a massive project

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Speaker 6: and you've got to have your contracts in place before

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Speaker 5: Ex Minerals Council Katie.

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Speaker 8: You mentioned the forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty,

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Speaker 5: Of course, you've got to have aspirations and you've got

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Speaker 8: And territorianes know when now I speak to them on

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Speaker 3: Other day.

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Speaker 1: The proof is absolutely going to need to be in

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Speaker 1: When we keep hearing about jobs and when we keep

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Speaker 1: Mary Claire boothby Kathleen Gazola, Keziopurican, Kate Warden. Now, throughout

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Speaker 3: Now, Kathleen, you ran a story on this last night.

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Speaker 1: We've all spoken to the Northern Territory Police Association, but

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 7: So we went and spoke to Nathan Finn, who you'd

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Speaker 4: A couple away he'll be able to shed her.

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Speaker 7: Opinion on it that check in a moment. August one,

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Speaker 7: due to apparently a leak from a briefing with a

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Speaker 7: service provider. So that means that there were members in

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Speaker 7: the police force who haven't received their mandatory training in

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Speaker 7: relation to this new legislation, which to us was very

445
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Speaker 7: concerning because also they're stuck behind a computer desk, he said,

446
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Speaker 7: doing that training and then putting extra strain on an

447
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Speaker 7: already stretched front line.

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Speaker 5: So we have on I'm happy to talk about it

449
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Speaker 5: because one of the things that we did, I think

450
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Speaker 5: through the whole Raising the Age is once the legislation

451
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Speaker 5: was passed, we got in and worked with stakeholders because

452
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Speaker 5: what we've determined to do is we need to put

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Speaker 5: money to it, So we put five million dollars in

454
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Speaker 5: the budget to it, and we need to have programs,

455
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Speaker 5: which we decided not to put out to a service provider,

456
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Speaker 5: but that territory families would run the program so we

457
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Speaker 5: could keep an eye on them and see make sure

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Speaker 5: that we're meeting our KPIs, and see the number of

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Speaker 5: kids that were coming through if there were any. We

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Speaker 5: do know it's a very small proportion of kids. So

461
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Speaker 5: it's only about one percent of the kids that we

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Speaker 5: see of those ten and eleven year olds reporting.

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Speaker 1: Though in the week, a NT Court spokesperson said fifty

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Speaker 1: three cases were discontinued on Tuesday as a result of

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Speaker 1: the reforms.

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Speaker 5: That's that's cases that were before. That's not kids that

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Speaker 5: were in detention. So I was talking about it's one

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Speaker 5: percent of kids that come through in detention. No, No,

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Speaker 5: I've always been clear it's about one percent of kids.

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Speaker 5: But we had to talk to our stakeholders about it.

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Speaker 5: You can't talk to the stakeholders about stuff if it's

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Speaker 5: in secret. One they haven't so in police have always

473
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Speaker 5: been at the table every single meeting I've been to,

474
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Speaker 5: police have been at the table all the way through, and.

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Speaker 7: That was telling from your statement that police have been involved.

476
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Speaker 7: Correct the time frame on the executive not setting up

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Speaker 7: that training long before the last ten months.

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Speaker 4: The thing is we're talking space.

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Speaker 5: The point is is at the moment, if you before

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Speaker 5: the first of August, we're now treating ten and eleven

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Speaker 5: year olds. It's a different referral, but it's exactly the

482
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Speaker 5: same as it was for eight nine year olds. So

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Speaker 5: police aren't changing essentially what they.

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Speaker 4: Do, but they're still have to undergo training.

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Speaker 7: Correct to understand the legislation only done a couple weeks beforehand.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's an awful lot of police officers and it's

487
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Speaker 5: slowly been going out, but we had to tell our

488
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Speaker 5: service providers the sort of date we were going to

489
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Speaker 5: stand it up on, and one of those went out

490
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Speaker 5: and didn't leak it. They actually thought it was public

491
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Speaker 5: and have apologized. Proposely we're talking about anti costs. They

492
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Speaker 5: put out a statement and said the age was the raising.

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Speaker 5: The age was from the first of August, and so

494
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Speaker 5: we were like, oh, hang on a minute. That was

495
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Speaker 5: in confidential briefings. We were taking you along with you,

496
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Speaker 5: and it's all fine, there's no secrets about it, and

497
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Speaker 5: everybody's been making out with this big seat.

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Speaker 3: Actually ready, I mean, have we progress is on the

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Speaker 3: first of July.

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Speaker 5: So we what we did is before the first of July,

501
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Speaker 5: we knew we were going to get five million dollars

502
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Speaker 5: on the first of July, so we filled our staff

503
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Speaker 5: in positions and trained our staff so that they were

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Speaker 5: ready to go on the first of July. And they

505
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Speaker 5: were and they are. The main work is being done

506
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Speaker 5: not by police. The main work of referral is to

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Speaker 5: territory families.

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Speaker 7: But they are still people who transpond if the alleged

509
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Speaker 7: crime that has taken place, so they can still they

510
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Speaker 7: have to understand that legislation that has been put in place,

511
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Speaker 7: so then they have to under this training which has

512
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Speaker 7: only happened. As you said, you've got a lot of

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Speaker 7: members out in that police force that has only happened

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Speaker 7: two weeks beforehand or whatever time frame Nathan gave. So

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Speaker 7: why was that such a short amount of tiation was

516
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Speaker 7: very well aware of what was happening, as were police

517
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Speaker 7: and police. It's up to police operationally around provision of training.

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Speaker 4: But so then the executive has delivered that properly.

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Speaker 5: What's essentially happening now is exactly the same as was

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Speaker 5: happening for eight and nine year olds prior to the

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Speaker 5: first of all, is now applies to ten and eleven

522
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Speaker 5: year olds that the police then refer them on as

523
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Speaker 5: they do already to territory families. But the difference being

524
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Speaker 5: is we now deal with them and we're providing those

525
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Speaker 5: intensive programs, not just with the kids. And this is

526
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Speaker 5: where the kicker is here. This is with families. This

527
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Speaker 5: is around understanding the family dynamic that sees a young

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Speaker 5: person in trouble with the law.

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Speaker 3: So how are they different to the family responsibility agreements?

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Speaker 5: So family responsibility agreement is one that you put you

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Speaker 5: actually can put on. It's a process that you go

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Speaker 5: through and the family agrees to undertaking certain steps. This

533
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Speaker 5: Territory families case officers stepping in and working directly with

534
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Speaker 5: the family that the family are they forced to day in,

535
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Speaker 5: day out to get a better outcome while we deal

536
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Speaker 5: with some circumstances. There's a lot of case management that

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Speaker 5: goes on, but we've now got specialists that we've trained

538
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Speaker 5: in order to get a better outcome. For these particular

539
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Speaker 5: kids in this cohort of kids getting in early is

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Speaker 5: absolutely the game changer. Please can still arrest them though,

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Speaker 5: that's the other thing people think that it can't happen.

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Speaker 5: Please can still need.

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Speaker 3: To be but they have to go to territory families.

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Speaker 5: But they need to go to territory family.

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Speaker 1: I just want to look in because you had said

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Speaker 1: it's only one percent of you know, there's literally less

547
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Speaker 1: than one percent you know that were in don Dale.

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Speaker 5: But then no, they weren't in don Dale. They were

549
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Speaker 5: the first of August, there were none and you.

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Speaker 3: Thought that all these kids were walking out.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think anyone did, because you've already told

552
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Speaker 1: us previously were a lot of kids in there. But

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Speaker 1: so the NT Court spokesperson saying fifty three cases were

554
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Speaker 1: discontinued on Tuesday as a result of the reforms.

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Speaker 5: Not necessarily so it discontinued as a legal process. But

556
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Speaker 5: all of those kids would now be picked up by

557
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Speaker 5: territory family.

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Speaker 3: But it's fifty three kids who've broken the law.

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Speaker 5: I think it's fifty three matters, not necessarily fifty four

560
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Speaker 5: three kids. So fifty three cases kid could have like

561
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Speaker 5: ten minutes against them. So that's I think that's a

562
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Speaker 5: misconception as well, because chargers, you can have ten charges

563
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Speaker 5: for doing one. I don't know Katie's got that. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: well I don't have any further inform that information, but

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Speaker 5: you know you might have a disappoint that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so is that to the community. They're going, we'll

567
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Speaker 1: hang on a sect. Fifty three cases are discontinued. So

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Speaker 1: fifty three cases where the law has been broken.

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Speaker 2: No longer applies to you.

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Speaker 3: And that's what people are going to be thinking.

571
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Speaker 5: So they're not necessarily see that this is the perpetual

572
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Speaker 5: thing that the CLP keep saying. They're back out on

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Speaker 5: the street. This is not the way that this happens.

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Speaker 5: So I think that everyone of us needs to go

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Speaker 5: home and work at ten and eleven year old and

576
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Speaker 5: go do we want them straight away in detention or

577
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Speaker 5: do we want to make sure they get detention.

578
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Speaker 3: I think they're not.

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Speaker 1: That's something that labor then perpetuates that at the minute

580
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Speaker 1: that they do something wrong, they're going straight into.

581
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Speaker 5: Detem They're not.

582
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Speaker 3: They're not, are they They're going through several cases.

583
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Speaker 5: Those kids are generally out and they're generally in programs.

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Speaker 5: We have hundreds of kids in programs, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We've their matters have now been discontinued.

586
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Speaker 5: Yes, but it's highly likely that after the program that

587
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Speaker 5: they were being discontinued anyway to achieve the program just

588
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Speaker 5: does because I'm real, seventy percent of those kids we

589
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Speaker 5: never see again.

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Speaker 8: So do that how many of those kids will complete

591
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Speaker 8: the program or is there no requirement to complete the program?

592
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Speaker 2: Now?

593
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Speaker 5: No, that yours. These are legal matters. You're confusing the two.

594
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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean these.

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Speaker 4: Fifty three cases.

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Speaker 7: However many kids that is would then be referred to

597
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Speaker 7: this program if you know absolutely, or.

598
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Speaker 5: We would know exactly who those kids are, and we

599
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Speaker 5: would have intensive management with those kids. This program that

600
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Speaker 5: we've stood up time mandatory?

601
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Speaker 2: Do they need to complete it? Or does it just

602
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Speaker 2: get let go?

603
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Speaker 5: Nothing just gets let go? To say no, these kids,

604
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Speaker 5: we stand up to take court orders immediately.

605
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Speaker 2: So is it mandatory or voluntary? Even if you court.

606
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Speaker 5: Order, this is your problem. If you court ordered, it's

607
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Speaker 5: highly likely you'll get an awful lot less compliance because

608
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Speaker 5: people do not comply with court orders, and we know

609
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Speaker 5: that that's why you fill up your jails. What we're

610
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Speaker 5: doing is we are inter absolutely. We are intervening early

611
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Speaker 5: as we can. We know that most of these kids

612
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Speaker 5: have got a situation at home that is not conducive

613
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Speaker 5: to them being safe. We are working intense with those families,

614
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Speaker 5: so it's not it sounds like it's not mandatory. But

615
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Speaker 5: I have a question and maybe Kate can answer it.

616
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Speaker 5: When they go to territory families, what does that actually mean?

617
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Speaker 5: Does that mean they go into a foster home or

618
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Speaker 5: does it mean they're going.

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Speaker 3: Into out of home foster home.

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Speaker 6: It's a really good question.

621
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Speaker 3: Or do they go to their own home?

622
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Speaker 6: It clear their own homes are done.

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Speaker 5: There's an assessment that's just paperwork, So there's a no,

624
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Speaker 5: there's a So we've got newly trained officers that will

625
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Speaker 5: go with that child and they will go to that

626
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Speaker 5: house and make a full assessment of that house. If

627
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Speaker 5: the child is neglected, a child protection response immediately stands

628
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: up for all of these kids. Anyway, So when we

629
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Speaker 5: say territory families are taking those young people, what they

630
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Speaker 5: do is they become their case managers and they walk

631
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Speaker 5: with them to get them a better outcome. If the

632
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Speaker 5: home is contributing to them, it may result in a

633
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: family responsibility agreement, Katie. But that's one tool. So these

634
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Speaker 5: are highly trained officers that work with kids every day

635
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Speaker 5: to know what's going on in their lives. That's actually

636
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Speaker 5: enabling them to behave like they are.

637
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Speaker 3: The young childre don't have a home to go to.

638
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Speaker 5: What if they were coming to the care of territory family.

639
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Speaker 1: So is that then going into we have a home

640
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Speaker 1: residential cares.

641
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Speaker 5: There's a whole range of different care sectors.

642
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Speaker 1: All right, because that's where I've been contacted by a

643
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Speaker 1: few people about out of home residential care, and I

644
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Speaker 1: have been told by workers that there is nothing stopping

645
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Speaker 1: other older kids coming to pick them up. There is

646
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Speaker 1: nothing stopping those children from leaving.

647
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Speaker 5: So they need well so that we from time to

648
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Speaker 5: time have issues at intensive residential care houses. These are

649
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: young people that are often not behaving well, and sometimes

650
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: you do get issues. We address that when we've got

651
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 5: that information. And I know on a personal level, I've

652
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Speaker 5: taken up several cases where in local communities we've had

653
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Speaker 5: that service not meet the benchmarks. But we also have

654
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Speaker 5: a range of kids that I've met along the way

655
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Speaker 5: that are in those service says that are really really

656
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Speaker 5: kicking goals and going well, so the whole lide is no.

657
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Speaker 1: Doubt that some kids are good kids that get on

658
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Speaker 1: the wrong track and that there is absolutely, I would

659
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Speaker 1: hope a path for them to be able to get

660
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Speaker 1: back on to and there is for you, yeah.

661
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Speaker 5: Because when you're talking about eight, nine, ten, and eleven

662
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 5: year olds, most often they're out with older kids, and

663
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Speaker 5: so what you need to do is make sure that

664
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Speaker 5: you understand what's driving that, because an eight year old

665
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Speaker 5: themselves doesn't necessarily just walk out the you know, there's

666
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Speaker 5: got to be some driver around that. So that's what

667
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Speaker 5: those case officers do, and we make sure that the

668
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Speaker 5: kid is safe at home but getting supported at home.

669
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Speaker 5: The number one thing we need to do with those

670
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Speaker 5: kids is make sure they're going to school and every

671
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Speaker 5: bit of information that I come that is the number

672
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Speaker 5: one thing, because when those kids are engaged at school,

673
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: they're tired at the end of the day, and they're

674
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Speaker 5: not ourselves.

675
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Speaker 1: If we've got territory families or somebody going around to

676
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: the different shopping centers each day. Because even yesterday, we're

677
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: getting a lot of phone calls and a lot of

678
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: messages to the show people saying that at Casarina Square

679
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: yesterday there was a lot of kids there, not in

680
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Speaker 1: school uniforms or anything like that.

681
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Speaker 3: They were there and it was during school.

682
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Speaker 5: Hours, so there's a no score, no service. But also

683
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Speaker 5: there's the Truancy Group, I forget what the name of

684
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: them is a re engagement group out of education. So

685
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 5: that's the work that they do. But if people see that,

686
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 5: then we need to make sure that we're working. And

687
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: I've caught up with poly Square Manage CULTU Square Management

688
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: work very very closely with pol contact.

689
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Speaker 8: When they see that they're going to contact the police.

690
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 8: But the police are saying that they don't have enough resources.

691
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Speaker 3: And we'll get to train a minute.

692
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Speaker 8: But the minister's saying that that's not true. So I'm wondering,

693
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 8: like who is telling the truth? I think territories would

694
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Speaker 8: back the police over listening to the police minister at

695
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Speaker 8: this point, like what is what is actually going on here?

696
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 8: It just feels like it's going around around search them.

697
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Speaker 5: A number of young people in town that have stayed

698
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Speaker 5: after the show and we've seen that. So at the moment,

699
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: there's a real strong pushback on return to country that

700
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Speaker 5: is occurring at the moment, and police are.

701
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Speaker 2: We going on long before, just before the show, or

702
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Speaker 2: just after the show.

703
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Speaker 5: So once a child is sixteen, they actually don't have

704
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: to go to school. It's not a legal age for starters.

705
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Speaker 5: So some of those young people that people are talking

706
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 5: about are actually not there's no legal requirement for them

707
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: to go to school. But where there's young people that are,

708
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: we work with Polly and her group to casuin a

709
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Speaker 5: square to make sure that we can identify them.

710
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you before we move along, I just

711
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Speaker 1: want to ask I just want to get to the

712
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Speaker 1: bottom of Kate. As the Minister for Police, are you

713
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Speaker 1: confident that the Northern Territory Police have the training that

714
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Speaker 1: is now required to be able to do what is

715
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Speaker 1: required now with the changing of the age.

716
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Speaker 3: Of criminal responsibility?

717
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Speaker 1: And you're confident that Territory families also have all the

718
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Speaker 1: training and everything that's required to be able to ensure

719
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Speaker 1: that we do not see kids that are under the

720
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Speaker 1: age of twelve years old breaking the law.

721
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I think one of the things is Katie

722
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 5: that after the show that perhaps we need to get

723
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Speaker 5: someone in from Territory Families to have a chat with you.

724
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Speaker 5: You'll be keen and we can sort of sort that

725
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: out so you can be really assured of the specialists

726
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: we've got in this space, about the really highly trained

727
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 5: personnel we've got, the case management that we've got going

728
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: on with these families, because you know, you might we

729
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: might see one or two totally unacceptable circumstances, but behind

730
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: the scenes, we've got hundreds of people in territory families

731
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Speaker 5: working with families across the Northern Territory to get the

732
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Speaker 5: kids a better stuff.

733
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Speaker 1: I don't doubt it, but I know that, you know,

734
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Speaker 1: looking at just that number fifty three cases being discontinued,

735
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Speaker 1: I'm sure that there are going to be people listening

736
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Speaker 1: that are thinking, we want to.

737
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Speaker 3: Know exactly how we can get going to be deal with.

738
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Speaker 1: So that they can be sure that they're not engaging

739
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: in Well, it's no longer going to be considered criminal

740
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: behavior for them, But what is considered criminal behavior I

741
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: guess by the rest of the territory or those that

742
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: they maybe offend against.

743
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Speaker 5: One of these things, Katie, that this proves to me today,

744
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 5: and you know, we're always learning in this job, is

745
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: that we need to communicate a little bit better, and

746
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 5: part of that communication is through media. And so I'm

747
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: very happy to find someone from Territory Families. I've actually

748
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 5: got a person in my head, but I won't name

749
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 5: them because they they would throw them completely in there.

750
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Speaker 5: But I think there's we've got some really good people

751
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Speaker 5: in Territory Family that could talk to you about all

752
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: of the details about the programs that we're running and

753
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 5: the hundreds of kids that we're putting on a better

754
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: path every day.

755
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Speaker 8: Okay, when you do speak to them, like how many

756
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 8: cases per case manager there are, Well, look, we're going

757
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 8: to take them to talk of the workload.

758
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we are going to take a really short break.

759
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty.

760
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: It is the week that was. There's still a lot

761
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Speaker 1: to cover off in the next eighteen minutes. Now. There

762
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: has been a lot on the agenda this week. I

763
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: guess there always is, but I do just want to

764
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Speaker 1: actually head to something that sort of kicked off I

765
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Speaker 1: guess last week and has continued on this week, but

766
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: we've not had the opportunity to speak about it on

767
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: the week that was.

768
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Speaker 2: Yet.

769
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Speaker 1: We know that nearly twenty six thousand people have now

770
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Speaker 1: signed the petition Justice for Decklan Lavity and after being

771
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Speaker 1: unable to sort of get a straight answer I guess

772
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Speaker 1: last Thursday by the Attorney General, Chancey Paig about whether

773
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Speaker 1: he thought that it should then go to debate or

774
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Speaker 1: not after going to the Public Accounts Committee or when

775
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Speaker 1: it went to the Public Accounts Committee. Well, the Public

776
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Accounts Committee did make a decision. I think that that

777
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: was the sensible and right thing to do, and they

778
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: decided that it is going to go to debate next

779
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: time Northern Territory Parliament sits. We don't know what day

780
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: or date or anything like that at this point in time.

781
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: The thing that people are quite upset about is that

782
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: it's only going to be for sixteen minutes. But Keyser,

783
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: you talked us through this during the week.

784
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: Yes, you keep going yep, and you had.

785
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: Said that you know that that is obviously part of

786
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: government standing orders. That's not something that the Northern Territory

787
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: government's decided on. But I think that probably you know,

788
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: the biggest point that I would try my best to

789
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: get across is that for twenty six thousand people to

790
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Speaker 1: sign a petition, I've never seen a petition get that

791
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: kind of traction in the Northern Territory before. I've not

792
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: seen us get to a point where that many people

793
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: have signed something. And ten thousand additional people signed that

794
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: petition after the Northern Territory government had made their announcement

795
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: around reforms to bail and the knife crime legislation changes.

796
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: So people want to they heard.

797
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 6: They do want to be heard, and that's what a

798
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 6: petition is all about. You are petitioning the King or

799
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 6: the Queen. You're petitioning the Parliament to have your voice

800
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 6: and your issue or your concern or your problem aired.

801
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 6: And clearly you're looking for a fixed You don't don't

802
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: petition for the heck of it. You're petitioning a parliament

803
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 6: because you want an answer for your petitioning reason. So

804
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 6: the reason and the details in the petition, that's what

805
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: you're taking to the Parliament. And as I said, if

806
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: people weren't listening previously, the sixteen minutes to debate it

807
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 6: is what is in our standing orders now. I can't

808
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: recall why we chose sixteen minutes as a parliament I

809
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 6: know that New South Wales is much long. It's about

810
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 6: an hour, and perhaps some of the other states could

811
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 6: be a different timeframe as well.

812
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: That can be changed.

813
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 6: Standing orders are reviewed all the time there's a Standing

814
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: Orders committee that's got COLP government independence on it. If

815
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 6: that needs to be changed, then perhaps the COELP needs

816
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 6: to bring that forward and say, look, this is what

817
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 6: we're looking to do.

818
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: Change at that time when it's about to debate. No.

819
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 7: No, So it's got to be beforehand, it's away from

820
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 7: the sitting.

821
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: Yes, the rule book has to be amended.

822
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: So we can't do change the sixteen minutes when it

823
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: is coming up for debate rules the parliament.

824
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 5: That's Senate.

825
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 7: But I know that obviously as politicians you can stand

826
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 7: up during cities and suspend.

827
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: Standing orders that could change things. Then can you do that?

828
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 8: You could put something on urgency, the government could change

829
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 8: their government business to put that forward and then the

830
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 8: debate could be forty minutes each.

831
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Speaker 2: Like a thirty plus ten rule. They could absolutely do that.

832
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Speaker 8: I mean we have been calling for Natasha files since

833
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 8: that petition was lodged to do that, to put aside

834
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 8: standing orders and actually allow for a full debate. But

835
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 8: not only that, allow exactly what time and what day

836
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 8: it's going to be debated, because there are a lot

837
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 8: of people not only in the territory but around the

838
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 8: country that are looking into this and they really want

839
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 8: to actually know one it's going to be on, so

840
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 8: they can tune in or they could come in and

841
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 8: sit in the gallery. And I think that that is

842
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 8: something that Territorians, they continue to say they're not being heard.

843
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 8: This is one chance for Natasha Files to show that maybe,

844
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 8: just maybe she is listening.

845
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean there's ways we we could address that more.

846
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 6: Claire could I could write to the to the Chief

847
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 6: Minister and the Lead of Government Business, which is Chancey

848
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 6: Paign say the petitions being debated, can you please indicate

849
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 6: in the week of sittings in August what day for startups,

850
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 6: whether it be Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. It's likely to

851
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 6: be a Tuesday or Thursday, I'd say, because wednesday's GBD

852
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 6: General Business which is Opposition and Independence turn to say

853
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 6: whatever they want to talk about. And so same as

854
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: the CLP could write to the Chief Minister and the

855
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 6: Government Business saying, look, this is a matter of importance

856
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 6: to everyone. We want a respond to petition. Yes, we've

857
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 6: got only sixteen minutes, which is about three minutes per person, whatever,

858
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 6: and that we can do that. So we can we

859
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 6: can appeal to the government to give us indications so

860
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 6: that those who are genuinely interested in this matter want

861
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 6: to be physically they're there, have the opportunity to come

862
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 6: in or tune in on the on the internet.

863
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: What's the last time that you saw that, like, you know,

864
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: such a high number of people sign a petition.

865
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 6: Well from the territory perspective, specifically territory signatures because bearing

866
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 6: in mind this signatures are changed dot or which scoop

867
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 6: up people from.

868
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: Interstate and wherever.

869
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 6: But it was the too when the Henderson Labor government

870
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 6: wanted to sell too and there was a woman I

871
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 6: can't remember her name.

872
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: It wasn't no you guys, no, no, we did. I

873
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: got them in the background from that.

874
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 6: Yep Chile SAG but prior Henderson Labor GNENT wanted to

875
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 6: sell it and there was a massive backlash. And this

876
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 6: is before the days of change dot org and internet

877
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 6: and text messages and social media. So they were paper

878
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 6: copies and this woman was the key driver in getting

879
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 6: all the signatures and it was just over twenty thousand.

880
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 6: I recall that I can't recall who tabled the petition,

881
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 6: but it was it was tabled. We were I was

882
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 6: in opposition with the CLP at the time. So and

883
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Speaker 6: the government went ooh, this is this is heavy. You know,

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Speaker 6: twenty thousand territorians. I mean there might have been a few, yeah, different,

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Speaker 6: but that was a physical paper petition, and so the

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Speaker 6: government did listen because it was a very serious matter

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Speaker 6: at the time for territorians, very parochial about their territory

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Speaker 6: insurance of us. That's probably the only one that I've

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Speaker 6: seen on that level. There's been some petitions to do

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Speaker 6: with the fieries and their salaries to have been like

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Speaker 6: in the thousands. And I've always said to people, you know,

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Speaker 6: when I was a speaker talking to school groups, the

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Speaker 6: more signatures to a petition that you've really worked hard

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Speaker 6: to get, the government should take notice that. That's not

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Speaker 6: to say a petition with ten people is not important.

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Speaker 3: No, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 6: It ends on the issue.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the other side about this discussion that

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Speaker 1: i'd heard throughout the week is that there was also

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Speaker 1: a petition following the death of seafat the International Student

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Speaker 1: Now that petition has never reached the point of being

902
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Speaker 1: debated or discussed because.

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Speaker 5: When it was put and it wasn't referred to, it's

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Speaker 5: not refer. Anybody on the floor can refer it and

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Speaker 5: it didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: But which is sad. It's incredibly sad.

907
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Speaker 5: But what's happening with this one is it is going

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Speaker 5: to be debated and there are some there are elements

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Speaker 5: of it that have already been implemented, so it will

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Speaker 5: be a good opportunity to talk about the changes that

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Speaker 5: have occurred since that. But I do think we are

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Speaker 5: in a different world of petitions now with these online petitions,

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Speaker 5: because you can be sitting over in you know, Sydney

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Speaker 5: once again having a comment in the territory and I

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Speaker 5: think we've got to be very careful, but you do this.

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Speaker 1: But I think it foolish to ignore this. I think

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Speaker 1: it's incredibly foolish to ignore us because medicine people signed

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Speaker 1: it after you guys announced what you're going to do

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Speaker 1: this week with.

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Speaker 3: Crime, so is talking a thousand people.

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Speaker 1: I'm not happy with you, territories, But how do you

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Speaker 1: reckon that's going to reflect you.

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Speaker 3: Guys at the polls if you end up with a

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Speaker 3: surge like that.

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Speaker 5: It's really important, Katie, that we take notice of what

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Speaker 5: people are saying to our parliament, particularly Territorians and you

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Speaker 5: know that we've got smaller extrips. So when we're knocking

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Speaker 5: on the doors for people, which you know a lot

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Speaker 5: of us do a lot, we get that feedback straight,

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Speaker 5: you know, to us, and we can we're able to

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Speaker 5: talk through those issues. The thing about this petition is

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Speaker 5: there's a number of elements in there around things like

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Speaker 5: a crime a knife strategy that's coming forward. There are

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Speaker 5: other things around changes to bail which we did back

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Speaker 5: in March, and there's a number of things that we're

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Speaker 5: already done that we can talk about axes and adding

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Speaker 5: machetes into those controlled weapons lists. So I'm really looking

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Speaker 5: forward to the debate, and it will be an important debate.

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Speaker 8: Do you support extending it from sixteen minutes to a

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Speaker 8: full I have.

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Speaker 5: To wait and see that what happens and how it

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Speaker 5: comes through.

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Speaker 2: Division.

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Speaker 3: So are you going to put it up? So Mary

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Speaker 3: should put it up.

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Speaker 8: You've got in the government opportunity to twenty six thousand people.

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Speaker 5: You've got lots of opportunities to bring through lots of legislation.

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Speaker 5: Mary Claire and you guys stuff it up every bloody time.

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Speaker 5: So don't sit here and tell us about standing orders.

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Speaker 5: I can't even bring a food full bill forward.

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Speaker 3: Where's a DV strategy.

952
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Speaker 2: For more than sixteen minutes, which is what territories want.

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Speaker 6: I try and bring forward private Members bill to have

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Speaker 6: high caliber shooting ranges allowed in the territorble.

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Speaker 3: The does shut away from the petition.

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Speaker 7: We've seen thousands of people go to rallies in front

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Speaker 7: of Parliament House, so that shows you just how important.

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Speaker 5: Series and we take it to and to be. We

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Speaker 5: speak for all my colleagues. We look forward to the debate.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a really short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Now we have only

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Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left if you've just joined us,

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Speaker 1: so you are listening to the week that was.

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Speaker 3: And in the studio Marie.

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Speaker 1: Claire boothby Kathleen Gazola, Kezy Apurican, Kate Warden. Now, one

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Speaker 1: of the stories that certainly made headlines throughout the week

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Speaker 1: was the report of a jockey being assaulted near her

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Speaker 1: home last weekend.

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Speaker 3: Now we spoke to her on the show.

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Speaker 1: She had raised concerns about the fact that she had

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Speaker 1: called triple zero and the police weren't there. We then

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Speaker 1: spoke to Travis Wurst from the Northern Territory Police, the

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner, and he did talk us through the volume

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Speaker 1: of callouts that the police are receiving at the moment

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the messages that we then started

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Speaker 1: to get on the text line were you know, goodness me, Katie,

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Speaker 1: we don't have enough police And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: you know, that is always the discussion that we that we.

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Speaker 3: End up Ash, I ask where is the review.

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Speaker 1: At what is it still at the point of terms

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Speaker 1: of reference being decided.

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Speaker 5: I've committed to publicly committed and I certainly put it

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Speaker 5: on the record during estimates that we'll be doing an

985
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Speaker 5: assessment of police resources. And it's not just about the number,

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Speaker 5: it's actually are they in the right place, doing the

987
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Speaker 5: right thing at the right time. So it's a bigger

988
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Speaker 5: border question, and that is we're progressing with that. We

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Speaker 5: are walking with the NTPAY, we are keeping them informed

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Speaker 5: around that process. You'll see a little bit of voice

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Speaker 5: from them, I think in the next few months, and

992
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Speaker 5: that's fine, but because you know, they obviously wanted to

993
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Speaker 5: pitch what they would like us to do. But we

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Speaker 5: are moving forward with that assessment. And Travis is right,

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Speaker 5: there's a you know, a huge call volume that comes through.

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Speaker 5: But if I can say one thing today, Katie is

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Speaker 5: I've stood in that Jess area where people have been

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Speaker 5: ringing in to get a taxi if you want, and

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Speaker 5: I've heard several of it. If you're ringing triple zero,

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Speaker 5: it needs to be kept for those most urgent calls

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Speaker 5: so that please can triage to the right places and

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Speaker 5: you know, make those decisions. These are operational decisions for

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Speaker 5: police where they send people and it's really important. So

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Speaker 5: I just really want to make that message really clear today.

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Speaker 5: Please only call triple zero. If it's a triple.

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Speaker 1: Zero for a taxi, you're an absolute dickhead like you

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Speaker 1: do not do that.

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Speaker 6: There should be a law against.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've definitely heard audio of people asking you how

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Speaker 7: to like roasted.

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Speaker 3: It's all sorts of terrible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, keep that mind free for the most.

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Speaker 3: Serious and.

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Speaker 6: That's the emergency services. That's what they they're therefore to

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Speaker 6: respond to the emergency situations, whether it be police, file

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Speaker 6: or ambulance or all three of them, as happens sometimes

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Speaker 6: with bad road accidents. And I think maybe that's something

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Speaker 6: we should look at cap Mary clear if people are

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Speaker 6: going to I know it's hard to prove that the

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Speaker 6: person's done and to track them, but with all dices,

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Speaker 6: if they are ringing triple zero for things in the

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Speaker 6: Northern Territory, there should be a crime committed if it's

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Speaker 6: something because one it's wasting courses and to its jeopardized

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Speaker 6: in the life of someone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, we are going to have to wrap up,

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Speaker 3: but just very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I do want to just mention

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Speaker 1: the fact that there was a record broken. Of course,

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Speaker 1: last weekend, hundreds of people headed to Mindle Beach to

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Speaker 1: see this world record attempt at driving underwater.

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Speaker 3: There were choose as the mud crab.

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Speaker 1: That orange nineteen seventy eight land cruiser emerged from pitch

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Speaker 1: black water at Darwin's Mindle Beach.

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Speaker 3: Surely, never ever it was land cruiss never dying.

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Speaker 6: Good on your fellows and everyone else involved in that's

1036
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Speaker 6: the territory spirit.

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Speaker 3: It was phenomenal.

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Speaker 5: It's so nice.

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Speaker 6: Saw a photo where they caught fish on the way.

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Speaker 6: Oh I don't know if that's.

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Speaker 3: True or not, but hunched a couple of barrow put

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Speaker 3: on them. Wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Murray Clare Boothy from the COLP, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Thank you, Katie, have a great weekend you too.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gizola from nine News Darwin and you thank you,

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Speaker 1: Kezier Puric the member for going to thank you.

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Speaker 6: You want my hot tip for the cup go on

1049
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Speaker 6: of course yes, rudn wir Rude favorite.

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Speaker 3: It first.

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Speaker 1: And Kate Warden from the ALP and the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Police Territory Families.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Katie for having us as always and get

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Speaker 5: out to the cup if you're in Darwin and have

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Speaker 5: her enjoy the last of our beautiful long weekends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's a bit disappointing, isn't it when

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Speaker 1: they're all over for the year that was, the week

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Speaker 1: that was.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 3: sixty