WEBVTT - Your Oscars cheat sheet

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the Daily This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily os. Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday, the third of March.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Lucy, I'm Zara.

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<v Speaker 1>Another year in movies has come and gone, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seventh Oscars are upon us. Today's ceremony will show

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<v Speaker 1>us what Hollywood considers to be the best films and

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<v Speaker 1>the best performances of the year twenty twenty four. From

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Brody to Zoe Saldana. Today we will be taking

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<v Speaker 1>you through everything you need to know about the Academy Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy, it was tough pickings to pick in the office

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<v Speaker 2>do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast today, but look, I settled on you because you

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<v Speaker 3>are a genuine movie expert. I've actually never met anyone

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<v Speaker 3>who is as well versed in movies, let alone Oscars

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<v Speaker 3>movies as you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So for someone perhaps.

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<v Speaker 3>Not as well established in the Oscar movie scene as you,

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<v Speaker 3>why did the Oscars matter? Why do we need to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it on today's podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what I always say when people ask me why

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<v Speaker 1>things like the movies matter is that this is an industry,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a major economy, particularly in the US. But

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<v Speaker 1>certainly in Australia as well. When the writers and actors

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<v Speaker 1>went on strike eighteen months ago, I told people, this

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<v Speaker 1>is an industrial issue, that's why we should care. So

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the fact that I care about movies, I

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<v Speaker 1>love watching movies, I love seeing all the things that

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<v Speaker 1>are nominated for Oscars as many as I can get to.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, this is an industry awards show, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see what the people in that industry think

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<v Speaker 1>was the best, beyond what I think is the best

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<v Speaker 1>as just a fan. So the Oscars are Hollywood's biggest night.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they're described as, and they're an industry award,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Grammys are for music, or in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>the Arias or Logis for Australian TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the first and last time the Oscars

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<v Speaker 3>and the Logis will be compared to one another, but

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<v Speaker 3>we'll go with it just for the sake of contextualizing.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they're an industry would. We actually don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why they're called the Oscars, which is a really fun fact.

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<v Speaker 1>No one does, and given that they've been around for

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven years, anyone who could have told us is

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<v Speaker 1>long gone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a few different suggestions of why they're called that,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't know. Officially, they're called the Academy Awards

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<v Speaker 1>because they're given out by the members of the Academy

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<v Speaker 1>of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, which I love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so old Hollywood that name talking about motion picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it really is. It stands a test of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Though. I'm curious how the voting works when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to the Oscars because often people will watch.

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<v Speaker 2>This and be like, how did that possibly win?

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<v Speaker 3>And there is good reason and an entire process behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk me through the voting process.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as I said, before they're voted on by the

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Academy, I think it's probably best to

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<v Speaker 1>explain through the process of voting for an actor. So,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are an actor and you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>nominated for an Acting OSCAR, you need to appear in

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<v Speaker 1>a film that is released within January first December thirty

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<v Speaker 1>first of the year before the ceremony, and that also

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be a film that is released for at

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<v Speaker 1>least a week in one of a few major US cities. Oh. Interesting, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's very specific requirements around, even to the degree of

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<v Speaker 1>at least one of the screenings in the week that

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<v Speaker 1>it plays needs to be in the evening.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all very granular, and will movies be released accordingly? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>is this thought about in the production and the release

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<v Speaker 3>plan for a movie?

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<v Speaker 1>I presume, sir, Yes, definitely. It's why you will see

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<v Speaker 1>a huge group of very serious dramas or be released

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<v Speaker 1>around December, right before the proper voting process begins. Okay, interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>But then it can also be kind of done an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting way where something my premier at a film festival

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't meet that requirement in say late twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>then do its week of required screenings in July twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and then be nominated for an oscar at

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five Oscars. The film I'm thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>is Sing Sing, which stars Coleman Domingo, who's nominated for

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<v Speaker 1>Best Actor. That's that movie's exact process. If first was

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<v Speaker 1>shown to audiences in September twenty twenty three, it's now

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty five, which kind of shows you the journey.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and so there are these very strict requirements of

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<v Speaker 3>a film to even be eligible to be nominated. Who

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<v Speaker 3>then though gets to vote. How do members of the

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<v Speaker 3>Academy become members of the Academy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's about ten thousand of them. Oh yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 1>used to be many fewer, But.

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<v Speaker 2>I use for him in my brain.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's because you have to think about how big

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood is as an industry. And part of what makes

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<v Speaker 1>up that ten thousand is that it's not just actors.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just directors. It's makeup artists, hair stylists, costume designers,

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<v Speaker 1>sound technicians. When you think about in a movie, when

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<v Speaker 1>they show you we're filming a movie, there's a million

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<v Speaker 1>people on set. Chances are most of those people are

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<v Speaker 1>voting members of the Academy. So you get invited, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be sponsored by other existing members, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be in the industry. So as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I might like to be in the Academy, if I

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<v Speaker 1>somehow got Kate Blanchard and Nicole Kidman to say Lucy

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<v Speaker 1>Tassel should be in the Academy, I'm still not actually

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<v Speaker 1>in Hollywood, so I wouldn't get accepted.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could be a fact checker in Hollywood. They

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<v Speaker 2>might meet some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a research branch I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>There are nineteen branches of the Academy, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>early rounds of voting, they all vote in their specific category.

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<v Speaker 1>So makeup artists vote for Best Makeup. But once the

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<v Speaker 1>official nominations are finalized, everyone votes for everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And a vote's waited in any different way, or is

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<v Speaker 3>everyone's vote equal?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's vote is equal in all all the categories except

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<v Speaker 1>for Best Picture, which when we get to the final nominations,

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<v Speaker 1>best Picture is ranked by preference. Okay, we never know

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<v Speaker 1>the exact voting breakdowns, as much as I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to know them. If a film gets fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>first preference votes for Best Picture, it automatically wins.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm obsessed with somehow feeling like we're talking about an election.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the Oscars.

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<v Speaker 1>And people treat it as seriously as a political election

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<v Speaker 1>and spend as much money on it as a political election,

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<v Speaker 1>and it lasts as long as the US election does.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes wow. I mean, just as an example, the movie

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<v Speaker 1>Everything Everywhere, All at Once, which won Best Picture a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. It premiered at the south By

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest Festival in April, and then all of the actors

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<v Speaker 1>in it were effectively on the campaign trail until the

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<v Speaker 1>Oscars the subsequent March. Wow, it's a long process.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a long process.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you spoke about Best Picture there before, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the big gong of the night, and I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 3>you can just run us through who the nomineesa, or

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<v Speaker 3>at least who people need to know when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to the nominees for this award.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's ten nominees. Used to be only five, then

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<v Speaker 1>they expanded it probably ten years ago. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>the big ones that people probably have seen would be Wicked,

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<v Speaker 1>which is technically Wicked Part one, but it's just called Wicked, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Dune Part two. There's Conclave, which is about popes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Anora, which is about an exotic dancer who gets

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<v Speaker 1>involved with a Russian oligarch's son. And then there's Amelia Perez,

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<v Speaker 1>which you have probably heard of, probably not because you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. It has come out in Australia but not

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<v Speaker 1>very widely, but because a it's a fascinating film and

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<v Speaker 1>b because it's generated a fair bit of controversy, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's safe to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you take me through some of that controversy?

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<v Speaker 1>So Amelia Perez is a film that is a musical.

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<v Speaker 1>It is about a trans female gangster who asks the

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer to help arrange for her to have gender affirming

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<v Speaker 1>surgery so that she can effectively become the woman she's

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<v Speaker 1>always meant to be, change her identity and leave the

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<v Speaker 1>criminal life and all of the repercussions of that. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very specifically a film set in Mexico about the

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<v Speaker 1>role of drug cartels in Mexico. The initial controversy around

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<v Speaker 1>this film was that this film about Mexico was shot

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris, was written and directed by a Frenchman, the

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<v Speaker 1>songs were written by French people in Spanish but written

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<v Speaker 1>by French artists, and it stars three main actresses, a

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish actress named Carlo Sophia Gascon. She plays Amelia Selena Gomez,

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<v Speaker 1>who is from the US, and Zoe Saldana, who is Dominican.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was already kind of a bit of questioning

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<v Speaker 1>around can you really tell a story about an issue

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<v Speaker 1>that really affects Mexico without necessarily having it be very

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<v Speaker 1>grounded in Mexico. Originally, this movie premiere at the Cannes

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<v Speaker 1>Film Festival in France in May. It happens every May.

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<v Speaker 1>It's extremely prestigious and it can often be a good

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<v Speaker 1>indicator of what the Oscar movies are going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So Parasite, which won Best Picture in twenty twenty, premiered

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<v Speaker 1>at the can Film Festival in May twenty nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>from there it was basically everyone thinks this is the

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<v Speaker 1>best movie of the year. Amelia Perez didn't win the

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<v Speaker 1>top award at can, but it did win acting awards

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<v Speaker 1>and it was received very warmly by the mainly French audience,

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<v Speaker 1>although there was a lot of Hollywood people there too.

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<v Speaker 1>It also then picked up a lot of support from

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<v Speaker 1>the Academy. It has the second most Oscar nominations in

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<v Speaker 1>history with thirteen, tied with a number of other films,

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<v Speaker 1>but still nominations in almost every key category that it

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<v Speaker 1>was available to be nominated in, including Best Actress for

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<v Speaker 1>Carlo Sophia Gascon, which made her the first openly trans

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<v Speaker 1>person to be nominated for an acting Oscar. But then

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<v Speaker 1>things took a turn right around the time that those

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<v Speaker 1>nominations were announced. Once the nominations are in pronounced, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the Academy can start voting officially. There's a short

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<v Speaker 1>voting period, so that is kind of assumed that you

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<v Speaker 1>would be catching up on the things that you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>yet seen, yea, and making your final decisions about who

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<v Speaker 1>you think should win each award. And so what happened

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<v Speaker 1>around this time a Canadian journalist named Sarah Hagey, who

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<v Speaker 1>is a black and Muslim woman, noticed a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>social media posts by Gascon.

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<v Speaker 2>That Gascon being the lead actress in this film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly the lead actress, the titular role Amelia Perez.

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<v Speaker 1>Hage said these tweets were an islamophobic dog whistle. Her words,

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<v Speaker 1>dog whistle. That's a subtle message that might seem innocent

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<v Speaker 1>to some and very charged to others. When she started

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<v Speaker 1>keyword searching these posts from Krlo Sophia Gascon, she later

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<v Speaker 1>told Variety magazine she found quote many racist and many

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<v Speaker 1>anti Muslim posts. She said, quote. This wasn't some viral

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<v Speaker 1>controversy waiting to resurface. She had tweeted these things and

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<v Speaker 1>they had existed online unchatchallenged, from twenty sixteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. There was no pushback, no visibility. This was

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<v Speaker 1>just how she was casually tweeting. It was all just there.

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<v Speaker 1>And she went on to say I'm flawed because we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a front runner from one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>nominated films in Academy history. It wasn't just about one comment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've listened to a lot of podcasts about this

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<v Speaker 3>and the role of those involved in you know, casting

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<v Speaker 3>and in the film, and perhaps some of the research

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<v Speaker 3>that did or didn't happen when it went into.

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<v Speaker 2>The casting of this film.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious to understand what the reaction has been though,

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<v Speaker 3>since these tweets surfaced and you know, the nomination still stand.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, just before we get into the blowback, I will

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<v Speaker 1>also just note these tweets are all in Spanish because

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<v Speaker 1>Gascon is from Spain. The film has been picked up

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<v Speaker 1>for US distribution by Netflix, which is a US company

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<v Speaker 1>That may go some way to suggest why these tweets

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<v Speaker 1>never came to any one's attention before. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the blowback, it was idiot and widespread. Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned before, kind of quite involved in this

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<v Speaker 1>film's OSCAR campaign, said that it would no longer pay

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<v Speaker 1>for her to be flown to different awards events that

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<v Speaker 1>the film was nominated for, or pay for any of

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<v Speaker 1>her styling, which.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, and that's important because you were saying before

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<v Speaker 3>it's like an election campaign, like being on we'll call

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<v Speaker 3>it the campaign trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's a huge part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's actually going to events like the Screen Actors

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<v Speaker 1>Guild Awards, which Gascon did not attend, but Seldania and

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez did. There's a huge number of events that would

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<v Speaker 1>be in the leader, but Gascon has not been at.

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<v Speaker 1>She is expected to attend the actual ceremony today. Seldania

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<v Speaker 1>also distanced herself from her as did Gascon's pr agency. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>just another aspect of this kind of campaign. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think overall it's safe to say this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the major storyline of the lead up to the Oscars

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<v Speaker 1>this year, and it has certainly damaged the film's chances. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>remains to be seen what it will win today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, really fascinating. I want to turn out to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the Ossies who are nominated. Firstly, are there Ozzies

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<v Speaker 3>who are nominated?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Who are they?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great showing for Australia this year, brilliant. First up,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got Guy Pierce with his first ever Oscar nomination

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<v Speaker 1>for his role in the film The Brutalist. Where he

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<v Speaker 1>plays a volatile millionaire who commissions an architect to build

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<v Speaker 1>a building on his property. Then we've got cinematographer Greg Fraser,

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<v Speaker 1>already an OSCAR winner for his work on Dune Part one,

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<v Speaker 1>nominated again for Dune Part two. I think he's in

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<v Speaker 1>with a strong chance. Then over in the Animated feature category,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got Adam Elliott and Liz Karney for their film

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<v Speaker 1>Memoir of a Snail. Elliot won in the two thousands

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<v Speaker 1>for an animated short, but Carney has never won. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's two Ossies in that category. And Ozzie's were on

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<v Speaker 1>the teams of three of the five movies nominated for

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<v Speaker 1>be Visual Effects, which I think is really cool to

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<v Speaker 1>see and like an affirmation of the quality of our

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<v Speaker 1>VFX industry.

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<v Speaker 2>So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally there's Maya Nipp who produced a nominated

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<v Speaker 1>documentary short about a man in Texas on death Row.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned just before that it's Guy Pearce's first nomination.

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<v Speaker 3>Oftentimes when we look at these award shows, something that

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<v Speaker 3>comes out is the number of firsts that may or

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<v Speaker 3>may not eventuate. What are some of the firsts that

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<v Speaker 3>you're keeping a keen eye out.

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<v Speaker 1>For this is an exciting year of firsts, because, as

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<v Speaker 1>you say, there's first every year, but this year there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of people who've had really long and rich

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<v Speaker 1>careers who are just now getting recognized. So just like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Guy Pierce, there's also Demi Moore. Her first

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<v Speaker 1>screen appearance was in nineteen eighty one, and she has

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<v Speaker 1>just now been nominated for the first time for her

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<v Speaker 1>performance in The Substance. Then we've also got Isabella Rossellini,

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<v Speaker 1>who is Hollywood Royalty. Her mother, Ingrid Bergman, won three

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<v Speaker 1>acting Oscars. Her father, Roberto Rossellini, an incredibly influential Italian director.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been nominated for the first time for her role

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<v Speaker 1>in Conclave, playing a scheming nun. We've also got Kieran Culkin,

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<v Speaker 1>who obviously we know has been around forever. Everyone I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure listening can picture him as a child eating pizza

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<v Speaker 1>in home alone, just now nominated for his role in

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<v Speaker 1>A Real Pain. There's a couple of other possible firsts

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just quickly touch on. Timothy Charlomagne has been nominated

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few times. If he wins Best Actor for

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<v Speaker 1>playing Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown, he'll be the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest man to ever win the category. He's just turned

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>There are extremely the rest of us feel incredibly underachieving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'd love to not think about how well Ty is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's very few Oscar's gone to men under thirty over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. The current holder of the record for the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest best Actor, Adrian Brody, also nominated in that category

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<v Speaker 1>the year mm HM for the Brutalist So and then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the final first. If Carlo Sophia Gascon does win,

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<v Speaker 1>she will be the first openly trans person to win

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<v Speaker 1>an acting Oscar. There's so much to look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>finding out today. I'm so excited, Lucy.

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<v Speaker 3>You have made me care more about the Oscar than

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<v Speaker 3>I ever have in my whole life, and I will

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<v Speaker 3>be watching with great interest. So thank you for that,

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<v Speaker 3>and thank you for joining us for another episode of

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<v Speaker 3>The Daily os. We will be back again this afternoon

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