1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily This is the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Daily os. Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday, the third of March. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm Lucy, I'm Zara. 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Another year in movies has come and gone, and the 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: ninety seventh Oscars are upon us. Today's ceremony will show 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: us what Hollywood considers to be the best films and 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: the best performances of the year twenty twenty four. From 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Adrian Brody to Zoe Saldana. Today we will be taking 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: you through everything you need to know about the Academy Awards. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Lucy, it was tough pickings to pick in the office 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: do this. 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: Podcast today, but look, I settled on you because you 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: are a genuine movie expert. I've actually never met anyone 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: who is as well versed in movies, let alone Oscars 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: movies as you are. 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: So for someone perhaps. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: Not as well established in the Oscar movie scene as you, 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 3: why did the Oscars matter? Why do we need to 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: talk about it on today's podcast? 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: Well, what I always say when people ask me why 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: things like the movies matter is that this is an industry, 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: This is a major economy, particularly in the US. But 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: certainly in Australia as well. When the writers and actors 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: went on strike eighteen months ago, I told people, this 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: is an industrial issue, that's why we should care. So 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: aside from the fact that I care about movies, I 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: love watching movies, I love seeing all the things that 29 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: are nominated for Oscars as many as I can get to. 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: But also, this is an industry awards show, and it's 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: interesting to see what the people in that industry think 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: was the best, beyond what I think is the best 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: as just a fan. So the Oscars are Hollywood's biggest night. 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: That's what they're described as, and they're an industry award, 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: just like the Grammys are for music, or in Australia 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: the Arias or Logis for Australian TV. 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: I think that's the first and last time the Oscars 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: and the Logis will be compared to one another, but 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: we'll go with it just for the sake of contextualizing. 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're an industry would. We actually don't know 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: why they're called the Oscars, which is a really fun fact. 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: No one does, and given that they've been around for 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: ninety seven years, anyone who could have told us is 44 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: long gone. 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few different suggestions of why they're called that, 47 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: but we don't know. Officially, they're called the Academy Awards 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: because they're given out by the members of the Academy 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: Excellent, which I love. 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: It's so old Hollywood that name talking about motion picture. 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it really is. It stands a test of time. 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 3: Though. I'm curious how the voting works when it comes 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: to the Oscars because often people will watch. 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: This and be like, how did that possibly win? 56 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: And there is good reason and an entire process behind it. 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: Talk me through the voting process. 58 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: So, as I said, before they're voted on by the 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: members of the Academy, I think it's probably best to 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: explain through the process of voting for an actor. So, 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: if you are an actor and you want to be 62 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: nominated for an Acting OSCAR, you need to appear in 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a film that is released within January first December thirty 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: first of the year before the ceremony, and that also 65 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: needs to be a film that is released for at 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: least a week in one of a few major US cities. Oh. Interesting, Yeah, 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: there's very specific requirements around, even to the degree of 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: at least one of the screenings in the week that 69 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: it plays needs to be in the evening. 70 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: It's all very granular, and will movies be released accordingly? Like, 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: is this thought about in the production and the release 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: plan for a movie? 73 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: I presume, sir, Yes, definitely. It's why you will see 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: a huge group of very serious dramas or be released 75 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: around December, right before the proper voting process begins. Okay, interesting, 76 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: But then it can also be kind of done an 77 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: interesting way where something my premier at a film festival 78 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: which doesn't meet that requirement in say late twenty twenty three, 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: then do its week of required screenings in July twenty 80 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: twenty four, and then be nominated for an oscar at 81 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Oscars. The film I'm thinking of 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: is Sing Sing, which stars Coleman Domingo, who's nominated for 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: Best Actor. That's that movie's exact process. If first was 84 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: shown to audiences in September twenty twenty three, it's now 85 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: March twenty twenty five, which kind of shows you the journey. 86 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: Okay, and so there are these very strict requirements of 87 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: a film to even be eligible to be nominated. Who 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: then though gets to vote. How do members of the 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: Academy become members of the Academy. 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: There's about ten thousand of them. Oh yeah, so it 91 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: used to be many fewer, But. 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: I use for him in my brain. 93 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: No, it's because you have to think about how big 94 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: Hollywood is as an industry. And part of what makes 95 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: up that ten thousand is that it's not just actors. 96 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: It's not just directors. It's makeup artists, hair stylists, costume designers, 97 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: sound technicians. When you think about in a movie, when 98 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: they show you we're filming a movie, there's a million 99 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: people on set. Chances are most of those people are 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: voting members of the Academy. So you get invited, you 101 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: have to be sponsored by other existing members, and you 102 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: have to be in the industry. So as much as 103 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I might like to be in the Academy, if I 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: somehow got Kate Blanchard and Nicole Kidman to say Lucy 105 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Tassel should be in the Academy, I'm still not actually 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, so I wouldn't get accepted. 107 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: But you could be a fact checker in Hollywood. They 108 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: might meet some of them. 109 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: I don't think there's a research branch I'll tell you. 110 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: There are nineteen branches of the Academy, and in the 111 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: early rounds of voting, they all vote in their specific category. 112 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: So makeup artists vote for Best Makeup. But once the 113 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: official nominations are finalized, everyone votes for everything. 114 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: And a vote's waited in any different way, or is 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: everyone's vote equal? 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Everyone's vote is equal in all all the categories except 117 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: for Best Picture, which when we get to the final nominations, 118 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: best Picture is ranked by preference. Okay, we never know 119 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: the exact voting breakdowns, as much as I would love 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: to know them. If a film gets fifty percent of 121 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: first preference votes for Best Picture, it automatically wins. 122 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with somehow feeling like we're talking about an election. 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: We're talking about the Oscars. 124 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: And people treat it as seriously as a political election 125 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: and spend as much money on it as a political election, 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: and it lasts as long as the US election does. 127 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: Sometimes wow. I mean, just as an example, the movie 128 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Everything Everywhere, All at Once, which won Best Picture a 129 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. It premiered at the south By 130 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Southwest Festival in April, and then all of the actors 131 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: in it were effectively on the campaign trail until the 132 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: Oscars the subsequent March. Wow, it's a long process. 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: That is a long process. 134 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you spoke about Best Picture there before, which is 135 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: the big gong of the night, and I'm wondering if 136 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: you can just run us through who the nomineesa, or 137 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: at least who people need to know when it comes 138 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: to the nominees for this award. 139 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: So there's ten nominees. Used to be only five, then 140 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: they expanded it probably ten years ago. I would say 141 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the big ones that people probably have seen would be Wicked, 142 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: which is technically Wicked Part one, but it's just called Wicked, Okay, 143 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: Dune Part two. There's Conclave, which is about popes. Yeah, 144 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: there's Anora, which is about an exotic dancer who gets 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: involved with a Russian oligarch's son. And then there's Amelia Perez, 146 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: which you have probably heard of, probably not because you've 147 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: seen it. It has come out in Australia but not 148 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: very widely, but because a it's a fascinating film and 149 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: b because it's generated a fair bit of controversy, I 150 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: think it's safe to say. 151 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: Can you take me through some of that controversy? 152 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: So Amelia Perez is a film that is a musical. 153 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: It is about a trans female gangster who asks the 154 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: lawyer to help arrange for her to have gender affirming 155 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: surgery so that she can effectively become the woman she's 156 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: always meant to be, change her identity and leave the 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: criminal life and all of the repercussions of that. It 158 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: is very specifically a film set in Mexico about the 159 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: role of drug cartels in Mexico. The initial controversy around 160 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: this film was that this film about Mexico was shot 161 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: in Paris, was written and directed by a Frenchman, the 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: songs were written by French people in Spanish but written 163 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: by French artists, and it stars three main actresses, a 164 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: Spanish actress named Carlo Sophia Gascon. She plays Amelia Selena Gomez, 165 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: who is from the US, and Zoe Saldana, who is Dominican. 166 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: So there was already kind of a bit of questioning 167 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: around can you really tell a story about an issue 168 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that really affects Mexico without necessarily having it be very 169 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: grounded in Mexico. Originally, this movie premiere at the Cannes 170 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: Film Festival in France in May. It happens every May. 171 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: It's extremely prestigious and it can often be a good 172 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: indicator of what the Oscar movies are going to be. 173 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: So Parasite, which won Best Picture in twenty twenty, premiered 174 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: at the can Film Festival in May twenty nineteen, and 175 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: from there it was basically everyone thinks this is the 176 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: best movie of the year. Amelia Perez didn't win the 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: top award at can, but it did win acting awards 178 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: and it was received very warmly by the mainly French audience, 179 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: although there was a lot of Hollywood people there too. 180 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: It also then picked up a lot of support from 181 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: the Academy. It has the second most Oscar nominations in 182 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: history with thirteen, tied with a number of other films, 183 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: but still nominations in almost every key category that it 184 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: was available to be nominated in, including Best Actress for 185 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: Carlo Sophia Gascon, which made her the first openly trans 186 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: person to be nominated for an acting Oscar. But then 187 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: things took a turn right around the time that those 188 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: nominations were announced. Once the nominations are in pronounced, everyone 189 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: in the Academy can start voting officially. There's a short 190 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: voting period, so that is kind of assumed that you 191 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: would be catching up on the things that you haven't 192 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: yet seen, yea, and making your final decisions about who 193 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: you think should win each award. And so what happened 194 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: around this time a Canadian journalist named Sarah Hagey, who 195 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: is a black and Muslim woman, noticed a couple of 196 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: social media posts by Gascon. 197 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: That Gascon being the lead actress in this film. 198 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly the lead actress, the titular role Amelia Perez. 199 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: Hage said these tweets were an islamophobic dog whistle. Her words, 200 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: dog whistle. That's a subtle message that might seem innocent 201 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: to some and very charged to others. When she started 202 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: keyword searching these posts from Krlo Sophia Gascon, she later 203 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: told Variety magazine she found quote many racist and many 204 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: anti Muslim posts. She said, quote. This wasn't some viral 205 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: controversy waiting to resurface. She had tweeted these things and 206 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: they had existed online unchatchallenged, from twenty sixteen to twenty 207 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: twenty three. There was no pushback, no visibility. This was 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: just how she was casually tweeting. It was all just there. 209 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: And she went on to say I'm flawed because we're 210 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: talking about a front runner from one of the most 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: nominated films in Academy history. It wasn't just about one comment. 212 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've listened to a lot of podcasts about this 213 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: and the role of those involved in you know, casting 214 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: and in the film, and perhaps some of the research 215 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: that did or didn't happen when it went into. 216 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: The casting of this film. 217 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm curious to understand what the reaction has been though, 218 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: since these tweets surfaced and you know, the nomination still stand. 219 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Certainly, just before we get into the blowback, I will 220 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: also just note these tweets are all in Spanish because 221 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: Gascon is from Spain. The film has been picked up 222 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: for US distribution by Netflix, which is a US company 223 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: That may go some way to suggest why these tweets 224 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: never came to any one's attention before. Yeah. 225 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: Interesting. 226 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: In terms of the blowback, it was idiot and widespread. Netflix, 227 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, kind of quite involved in this 228 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: film's OSCAR campaign, said that it would no longer pay 229 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: for her to be flown to different awards events that 230 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: the film was nominated for, or pay for any of 231 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: her styling, which. 232 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: You said, and that's important because you were saying before 233 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: it's like an election campaign, like being on we'll call 234 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: it the campaign trail. 235 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's a huge part of it. 236 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually going to events like the Screen Actors 237 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Guild Awards, which Gascon did not attend, but Seldania and 238 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: Gomez did. There's a huge number of events that would 239 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: be in the leader, but Gascon has not been at. 240 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: She is expected to attend the actual ceremony today. Seldania 241 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: also distanced herself from her as did Gascon's pr agency. Again, 242 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: just another aspect of this kind of campaign. So I 243 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: think overall it's safe to say this is kind of 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: the major storyline of the lead up to the Oscars 245 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: this year, and it has certainly damaged the film's chances. Yeah, 246 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: remains to be seen what it will win today. 247 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, really fascinating. I want to turn out to talk 248 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: about the Ossies who are nominated. Firstly, are there Ozzies 249 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: who are nominated? 250 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: Exactly? Who are they? 251 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: It's a great showing for Australia this year, brilliant. First up, 252 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: we've got Guy Pierce with his first ever Oscar nomination 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: for his role in the film The Brutalist. Where he 254 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: plays a volatile millionaire who commissions an architect to build 255 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: a building on his property. Then we've got cinematographer Greg Fraser, 256 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: already an OSCAR winner for his work on Dune Part one, 257 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: nominated again for Dune Part two. I think he's in 258 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: with a strong chance. Then over in the Animated feature category, 259 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: we've got Adam Elliott and Liz Karney for their film 260 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: Memoir of a Snail. Elliot won in the two thousands 261 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: for an animated short, but Carney has never won. So 262 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: that's two Ossies in that category. And Ozzie's were on 263 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: the teams of three of the five movies nominated for 264 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: be Visual Effects, which I think is really cool to 265 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: see and like an affirmation of the quality of our 266 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: VFX industry. 267 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: So cool. 268 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: And then finally there's Maya Nipp who produced a nominated 269 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: documentary short about a man in Texas on death Row. 270 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: You mentioned just before that it's Guy Pearce's first nomination. 271 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: Oftentimes when we look at these award shows, something that 272 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: comes out is the number of firsts that may or 273 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: may not eventuate. What are some of the firsts that 274 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: you're keeping a keen eye out. 275 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: For this is an exciting year of firsts, because, as 276 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: you say, there's first every year, but this year there's 277 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: a couple of people who've had really long and rich 278 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: careers who are just now getting recognized. So just like 279 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: I said, Guy Pierce, there's also Demi Moore. Her first 280 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: screen appearance was in nineteen eighty one, and she has 281 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: just now been nominated for the first time for her 282 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: performance in The Substance. Then we've also got Isabella Rossellini, 283 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: who is Hollywood Royalty. Her mother, Ingrid Bergman, won three 284 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: acting Oscars. Her father, Roberto Rossellini, an incredibly influential Italian director. 285 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: She's been nominated for the first time for her role 286 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: in Conclave, playing a scheming nun. We've also got Kieran Culkin, 287 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: who obviously we know has been around forever. Everyone I'm 288 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: sure listening can picture him as a child eating pizza 289 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: in home alone, just now nominated for his role in 290 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: A Real Pain. There's a couple of other possible firsts 291 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: I'll just quickly touch on. Timothy Charlomagne has been nominated 292 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: quite a few times. If he wins Best Actor for 293 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: playing Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown, he'll be the 294 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: youngest man to ever win the category. He's just turned 295 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: twenty nine. 296 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: There are extremely the rest of us feel incredibly underachieving. 297 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I'd love to not think about how well Ty is. 298 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: There's very few Oscar's gone to men under thirty over 299 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: the years. The current holder of the record for the 300 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: youngest best Actor, Adrian Brody, also nominated in that category 301 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: the year mm HM for the Brutalist So and then, 302 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: of course the final first. If Carlo Sophia Gascon does win, 303 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: she will be the first openly trans person to win 304 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: an acting Oscar. There's so much to look forward to 305 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: finding out today. I'm so excited, Lucy. 306 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: You have made me care more about the Oscar than 307 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: I ever have in my whole life, and I will 308 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: be watching with great interest. So thank you for that, 309 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: and thank you for joining us for another episode of 310 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: The Daily os. We will be back again this afternoon 311 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: with the day's headlines. Until then, have a great day. 312 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 313 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcuttin woman from Gadigl Country. The Daily os acknowledges 314 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 315 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 316 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 317 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.