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Speaker 1: It is the desire of the Commissioner that this mediation

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Chief Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, what is the current situation with the

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, before I answer that question, I would just

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Speaker 3: It's in employment matter.

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Speaker 4: But the Chalker is presently on leave and we're negotiating

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Speaker 1: So was it determined by the cabinet though that your

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Speaker 4: What I can say is I'm never afraid to have

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Speaker 1: So do you have confidence in the Police Commissioner Jamie.

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Speaker 4: I won't be providing commentary, but I want to reassure

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Speaker 2: There by an eminent retired judge.

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, there is a process that is being undertaken

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Speaker 2: All Right.

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Speaker 1: The Commissioner has been appointed to this role until November

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, supporting our hard working police force is my

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, I've said what I will say on this matter,

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Speaker 1: Let's take a step back a little bit then and

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Speaker 4: So Michael Murphy is acting commissioner, He's acted in that

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Speaker 1: Can you see though, how this uncertainty is not only

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Speaker 1: All Right, people are really quite angered on the text line,

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Speaker 4: I want to assure Territorians that I am never afraid

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Speaker 4: And Katie, I can understand that anger and frustration, and

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Speaker 1: And what do you say to those Northern Territory Police

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Speaker 4: So the Northern Territory Police Association we take those survey

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you say as well to those rank

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Speaker 4: So Katie, I need to separate in my response, but

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Speaker 4: It's not we want we train these police officers. We

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Speaker 1: Do you feel as though we've got some police officers

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Speaker 4: I mean that would be a question for police and

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Speaker 1: Yes, we can't really put that though to the commissioner

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that the Police Association would respond to that, Katie.

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Speaker 4: But from my perspective, it's around giving police the resources,

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Speaker 3: You know, to do their job.

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: On the weekend crime once again blowing up, cars, stolen,

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, with those incidents over the weekend are subject

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Speaker 4: I don't want to prejudice anyone, but we're a part

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Speaker 1: So are you going to extend the alcohol restrictions that

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Speaker 4: So Katie, I spent time in Central Australia and Alice

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Speaker 2: People aren't reporting that.

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Speaker 2: Be keep wit? Does that end?

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Speaker 4: So they were bought in under legislation Section eighty eight,

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Speaker 1: Former Prime Minister John Howard has been out this morning.

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Speaker 2: Look at the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, when I was the Prime Minister, we

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Speaker 1: In the last few weeks months, we've seen the same

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Speaker 2: Are we there again?

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I think Territorians feel like we could be, so, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I want to answer that question in two parts. I

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Speaker 1: Like at the moment, two hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 4: And this, Katie, is the complexity. We've got remote communities.

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Speaker 1: But when now, well, look, you guys have been in

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, in terms of resolving these issues and tackling

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Speaker 1: That's one community and that is the example that the

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Speaker 4: What I'm highlighting, Katie, is that it takes dollars, intensive

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Speaker 2: And so six years in, how have we not made

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Speaker 3: We have made in roads, but we are seeing.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the crime and what's going on

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Speaker 2: And we've reached the point where this has just become the.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is we've got more young people

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Speaker 4: dysfunctional families when you're talking about young people, and we

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Speaker 4: through the Christmas period removed huge numbers of young people

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Speaker 4: from their families because it wasn't safe in Central Australia.

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Speaker 4: And so what we are doing is we are making

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Speaker 4: sure that we're investing in those services to stop the

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Speaker 4: these behaviors from continuing.

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Speaker 1: FAZD is ideological views at the moment, stopping you from

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Speaker 1: actually doing what territorians expect of you, and that is

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Speaker 1: keeping them safe.

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 4: I don't have some kind of ideological view that as

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Speaker 4: Chief Minister, I have to implement My view is that

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Speaker 4: we have to have a safe community and it takes

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Speaker 4: a range of measures. It takes strong measures supporting and

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Speaker 4: we are seeing those longer term statistics are starting to change.

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Speaker 4: But absolutely we've got to deal with the behaviors now.

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Speaker 4: So it's short, medium and long term and they're the

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Speaker 4: decisions and the investments we're making.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one last question, are you still going to be

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Speaker 1: raising the age of criminal responsibility? I know that Naja

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Speaker 1: was on the ABC this morning on their news questioning

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Speaker 1: why it hasn't happened yet. On Thursday last week though,

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Speaker 1: we had a situation where two males aged ten and

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Speaker 1: eleven entered a business on Essinton Avenue in Gray. The

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Speaker 1: youths allegedly threatened an employee with scissors before stealing a

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Speaker 1: quantity of cash and fleeing the scene.

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Speaker 2: Are you still raising the age?

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, we were very clear with that legislative change

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Speaker 4: that what we have now is young people that type

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Speaker 4: of and I have to step away from that incident

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Speaker 4: because it'll be imagined before police and the courts. But

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Speaker 4: you have incidents that take place, Police spend an enormous

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Speaker 4: amount of time and then it gets to the court system,

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Speaker 4: and it's dolly incapac it's not a cognitive ability to

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Speaker 4: understand what was taking place. The programs have to be

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Speaker 4: there so that the young people face a consequence for

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Speaker 4: their behavior and the community is safer.

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Speaker 1: Are you any clothes that are having those programs in place?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that work has been continuing, but right now we

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Speaker 4: have not raised raised the age of criminal responsibility because

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Speaker 4: those programs are not fully in place.

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Speaker 2: When do you expect that they're going to be.

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Speaker 4: I anticipate that over the coming months, but I absolutely

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Speaker 4: assure territories what we're trying to solve, we have to

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Speaker 4: have the program in place so that there is that

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Speaker 4: strong consequence.

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Speaker 1: And will what evidence or what are you going to

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Speaker 1: use to sort of back those programs actually being in

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Speaker 1: place and reducing incidents like the one that I spoke

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Speaker 1: about last week.

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Speaker 4: So there is strong evidence that when because at the moment, Katie,

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Speaker 4: what happens is those young people are caught by police,

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Speaker 4: but police can't follow through, so there is no prece.

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Speaker 3: So they get away with the behavior.

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Speaker 4: Was if you've got that strong program in place, there

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Speaker 4: is a consequence for the behavior, so the young person

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Speaker 4: understands that and learns from that and you're not tying

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Speaker 4: up those police resources unnecessarily.

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Speaker 1: A question from gin in Zicoli, Katie, can you please

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Speaker 1: ask the Chief Minister about the cost of damage to

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Speaker 1: the Center for National Resilience.

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Speaker 4: So, Katie, this is something that we keep having raised.

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Speaker 4: The Center for National Resilience is housing people that have

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Speaker 4: been through a natural disaster, a traumatic experience. It's a

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Speaker 4: roof over their head. We've repatriated a couple of hundred

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Speaker 4: people back to Calcaringian dagar Ragu and we're continuing to

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Speaker 4: get the rest of those people back. One community, Pigeonhole,

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Speaker 4: is completely wiped out. But I have not been told,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sick of the rumors and people spreading this

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Speaker 4: that there's suddenly buildings have been burnt down out there.

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Speaker 3: That's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: So there's not damage out there.

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Speaker 4: They'll be wear and tear, Katie from having people in

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Speaker 4: a vacility, But we're caring for people that are homeless

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Speaker 4: because of a natural disaster.

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Speaker 1: And so there's not extensive damage as had been raised

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Speaker 1: by the opposition. No, all right, So from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: any damage that's out there is literally just wear and.

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Speaker 4: Tea yeah, there'll be certainly, you know, we've stood that up.

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Speaker 4: It had six seven hundred people house there in an

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Speaker 4: emergency situation, and there's certainly be work, you know, to

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Speaker 4: get that ready again for whatever it's next endeavor is,

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Speaker 4: and we're working our hardest to get those people home.

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Speaker 4: Calcoring you dug a ragu is a little easier, but

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Speaker 4: pigeonholes being completely wiped out, and also the road there

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Speaker 4: has had significant damage. It's not a territory government road,

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Speaker 4: but where out there will be repairing that and we've

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Speaker 4: also got some temporary accommodation. So the people want to

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Speaker 4: be home on their community, that's where we want them.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's a little bit unfair that these

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Speaker 4: people have come in from community and it's suddenly painting

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Speaker 4: them that they're not entitled to have a roof over.

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Speaker 1: People are more concerned if there has been extensive damage done.

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Speaker 2: I think that's more the question that's being asked.

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Speaker 4: It's not the advice I've got, and we've seen for

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Speaker 4: weeks now the opposition making these claims. Yes, there's hundreds

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Speaker 4: of people there, there's kids, there's wear and tear, but

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Speaker 4: we're not seeing a situation where there's been a huge

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Speaker 4: damage Bill.

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Speaker 1: Chief Finiston, Natasha Fhiles. We better leave it there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 1: It is just on nine point thirty coming your way.

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Speaker 1: Next we're going to be speaking