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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. Imagine traveling over fourteen thousand

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Speaker 1: kilometers on foot. Sounds like hell to most of us,

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Speaker 1: but to our next guest, it's what he does to

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Speaker 1: make a difference. Former Liberal politician and ultra marathon run

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Speaker 1: a Pat Farmer just finish the arduous journey starting in

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Speaker 1: April from Hobart running all the way to Ularu this week.

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Speaker 1: He did it to raise awareness for the Voice referendum.

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Speaker 1: An average of eighty k's a day.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And even though he should be putting his feet

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Speaker 1: up there he is with one day left before the

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Speaker 1: race to the end, which is the referendum. Pat Farmer, Hello, Okay.

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Speaker 3: How are you Amanda? Hell are you JAMESI? Pat?

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Speaker 2: We are great. Congratulations mate, what a great job you've

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Speaker 2: done well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It's so nice to be able to connect

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Speaker 3: with so many different people right around the country. And

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Speaker 3: when I say they mean that very politely different people,

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Speaker 3: but different locations, different people are just there's some incredible

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Speaker 3: Australians out there.

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Speaker 2: When you set out on this on the run the

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Speaker 2: Voice Yes support was it fifty six percent? It must

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Speaker 2: be disheartening for you running for the Voice for the

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Speaker 2: Yes campaign. It must be disheartening to find that according

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Speaker 2: to opinion Poles, it's not at fifty six percent anymore.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think you hit the nail on

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Speaker 3: the head when you said according to opinion Poles, because

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Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the area I've been through,

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Speaker 3: especially in West Australia and the top end of the country,

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Speaker 3: there's very little reception a lit alone access to the media,

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Speaker 3: and so I haven't had access to the poles like

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Speaker 3: everybody in the city has had. So people are absolutely

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Speaker 3: fixated with the polling in the cities and continuously talking

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Speaker 3: about it. But what's happened with me is I meaning

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Speaker 3: with people in the caravan parks. I mean with people

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Speaker 3: up to meet me. So many people have just stopped

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Speaker 3: country things like that, and to them, you know, that

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Speaker 3: doesn't match with what the poles are saying. To be

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Speaker 3: quite honest with you, they've been very very supportive courts

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Speaker 3: the voice and very supportive courts me and the journey.

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Speaker 1: What would you say to people who I'm still meeting

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Speaker 1: who were saying, oh, it's very confusing, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure the vote is tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: What would you say, Amanda, It's not confusing at all.

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Speaker 3: It's a very simple question. The question simply asked, should

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Speaker 3: we include original on Torres strate island of people in

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Speaker 3: our constitution? Back in sixty seven we decided that we

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Speaker 3: would actually count them as part of the population. Now

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Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous that we even speak like this,

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Speaker 3: because of course, of course they should be included in

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Speaker 3: the constitution. They're part of it. They should have been

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Speaker 3: included in it right from the day one. And this

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Speaker 3: is what the opposition and said. You know, they've spoken

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Speaker 3: about how this is divisive for the country. Well, it

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Speaker 3: was devisive the day that they were left out of

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Speaker 3: the constitution in the first place. They were always here,

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Speaker 3: they were always part of this nation, part of this place,

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Speaker 3: and you know, everybody has to simply acknowledge that knowledge

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Speaker 3: that they're here, then you acknowledge that they need to

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Speaker 3: be part of the process.

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Speaker 2: I had a good not argument, but someone some good reasoning.

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Speaker 2: Someone said it's not about sympathy, it's about empathy, and

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Speaker 2: I totally get that. When this verse was proposed, I

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Speaker 2: instantly thought yes, and then over the time I read

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Speaker 2: the thing, and I read all of the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: and then I still through there the word may, it's

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Speaker 2: not will. May doesn't mean you have to do it.

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Speaker 2: But I think this is at a starting point for

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Speaker 2: something that's it's not going to happen overnight, but in

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Speaker 2: the next hundred years. This is for one hundred years

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Speaker 2: from now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's for our it's for our children and our

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Speaker 3: children's children to walk this path through life together. It's

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Speaker 3: as simple as that. And it says that in the

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Speaker 3: Ilaruz statement. I would encourage all of your listeners to

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Speaker 3: have a look at the Ilaruz statement. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 3: piece of piece of writing that's there that talks about

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Speaker 3: the past and talks about walking on into the future together.

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Speaker 3: And that's most important to this country. And as I

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Speaker 3: said in my speech when I finished the Dularu, we

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Speaker 3: we have the emu on our coat of arms. Because

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Speaker 3: they never take a backward step, nor should we, nor

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Speaker 3: should we. We should be moving forward all the time

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Speaker 3: and looking at some of the mistakes of the past

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Speaker 3: and how things have gone in the past. Look, there

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Speaker 3: hasn't been one person I found in this whole country,

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Speaker 3: even the ones that have come straight up to me

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Speaker 3: at first and said I own a novator that has

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Speaker 3: been able to admit that the system in place at

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Speaker 3: the moment is working. It simply doesn't work. And to

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Speaker 3: be able to get ideas from the ground up, especially

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Speaker 3: from some of these really diverse and remote areas where

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Speaker 3: they need support, but the people in camera are not

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Speaker 3: in touch with what they actually need, and so they

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Speaker 3: they say the one size fit's all okay. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to do this in SYDNEYA. We're going to do

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Speaker 3: this in Melbourne. So we'll do it out and we'll

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Speaker 3: do it in Hall's Creek of Fitzroy Crossing. And it

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Speaker 3: just simply things don't work that way.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that the No campaign has done

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Speaker 1: a very a good job in a terrible way of

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Speaker 1: making people fearful of the indigenous population. This group having

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Speaker 1: a seat at the table, which is ridiculous because when

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Speaker 1: you look at the dairy industry has access as a

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Speaker 1: seat at the table. There's thirty or forty groups that

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Speaker 1: already have this kind of actions.

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Speaker 2: The Motorcycle Council of Australia has the seat at the table.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting. I was thinking about this the other day.

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Speaker 2: Years ago motorcycle green slips were the price of them

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Speaker 2: had gone out of control. And Andrew Constance was the

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Speaker 2: Minister for Rides back then, and he contacted me. His

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Speaker 2: department contacted me because I'm a motorcyclist and he got

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Speaker 2: me to come in and explain motorcycles, different capacities, pillion passages,

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. I'm not saying that I

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Speaker 2: changed that, but he actually consulted a motorcyclist because the

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Speaker 2: guy that they had any of them didn't ride a motorcycle.

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Speaker 1: And that's all this will be is another is an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for our first nations to have a seat at

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Speaker 1: the table other people do. This won't be a divisive

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Speaker 1: This isn't a non veto or situation. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why people are so frightened of it.

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Speaker 3: There's absolutely no reason why they should be scared at all.

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Speaker 3: In fact, three percent of the population we're talking about here,

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Speaker 3: most people will wake up on a Sunday morning and

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Speaker 3: wonder what all the fuss was all about. It's really

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Speaker 3: this is really an opportunity, a positive opportunity for us all,

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Speaker 3: as I said earlier on, to move forward together and

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Speaker 3: to be able to put some of the wrongs of

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Speaker 3: the past in the past. And you think about it

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Speaker 3: like this, every single Australians should be included in our

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Speaker 3: constitution and at the moment they are not. At the moment,

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Speaker 3: they are not original tors Straight Islander people have been

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Speaker 3: left to the side and they need to be included

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Speaker 3: because whenever decisions are being made for the whole of

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Speaker 3: this country, they decisions need to be made for them

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Speaker 3: as well, and they need input for that.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to say yes to night, oh isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope we wake up on Sunday morning to some

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Speaker 1: good news.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and Pat, he's to a radox bath for you.

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Speaker 3: Those people absolutely made It's been a hell of a journey.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen pairs of shues, around fourteen thousand klumbers, every conceivable

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Speaker 3: weather condition you can imagine, dust storms, you know, or

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Speaker 3: wind driving rain, snow, even down in Tasmania when I

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Speaker 3: first started, and then of course regularly forty degree temperatures

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Speaker 3: and headwinds through the top end of the country and

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Speaker 3: that was winter.

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Speaker 2: Well how do you relax go for a job.

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Speaker 3: It's just a nice easy walk and just trying to

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Speaker 3: get back to normal eating patterns more than anything, I

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Speaker 3: bet well.

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Speaker 1: Our hats are off to your congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: So nice and thanks for your support.

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Speaker 2: No problem,