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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of October.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: Over the last few months, you've likely seen headlines that

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Speaker 2: referred to a high profile man who had been charged

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Speaker 2: with rape in the Queensland city of Towoomba. We are

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Speaker 2: limited with what we can tell you now. Well, we

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Speaker 2: can tell you what he is accused of. I can't

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Speaker 2: tell you who he is.

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Speaker 3: Our high profile man accused of two counts of rape

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Speaker 2: Before we jump into it, though, Sam, let's get into

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Speaker 3: Rental vacancy in Australia has hit a historic low. That's

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Speaker 2: And the good news this one feels like you need

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Speaker 3: And so those arguments were all presented in court. Then

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, So the magistrate agreed with the media routlets

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Speaker 3: And so that's how these appeals work, is that the

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Speaker 3: What happened when the appeal was heard in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: So that was when this news broke. So in a

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Speaker 3: It's always really interesting when these kind of legal processes

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Speaker 3: But now the name is out there, but the case

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Speaker 2: So the legal proceedings will continue. There's still quite a

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Speaker 2: That's up to the magistrate to decide, as we explained.

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Speaker 2: So he hasn't in court had to enter a plea yet, right. Okay,

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