WEBVTT - The Shani Grimmond Effect

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<v Speaker 1>We want to jump in before the episode starts to

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<v Speaker 1>point out that this isn't part of our regular Friday programming.

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<v Speaker 1>We are having a couple of Fridays off to spend

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<v Speaker 1>with our new nephew Jack, So in the meantime we

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<v Speaker 1>have put together a deep dive series on Shany Grimman.

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<v Speaker 1>This is episode two. Shannie Grimmond was living out her dream.

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<v Speaker 1>The eighteen year old was working full time as a

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<v Speaker 1>YouTuber and signing lucrative deals with the world's biggest makeup brands.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much only been using this threat right here. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the Morphy Arshadow Pale. In three five zero.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd fallen head over hills with twenty three year old

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<v Speaker 1>accountant Jonathan Sower and things were moving fast. A new

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<v Speaker 1>friendship with fellow beauty blogger Michael Finch was blossoming and

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<v Speaker 1>she was just about to head up one of Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer clicks. But it wasn't long before the downfalls

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<v Speaker 1>of fame struck, with Shanny facing her first online controversy

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<v Speaker 1>and personal dramas after her home was targeted by thieves.

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<v Speaker 1>In this series, we explore the phenomenon of Shanni Grimmond,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Outspoken. I'm so excited to get

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<v Speaker 1>into part two of our Shany Grimmin deep dive. We

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<v Speaker 1>had such a great reaction to the first episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a lot of messages from people saying they

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<v Speaker 1>felt so nostalgic listening and that they really miss SHARNI. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed to be an overwhelming response, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>testament to the fact that Shanny really felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>friend to so many people growing up watching her YouTube videos. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when we left you, Sharny had just gotten into a

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<v Speaker 1>very new relationship with Jonathan Sour and after four months

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<v Speaker 1>of dating, Shanny and Jonathan officially moved in together. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that things moved that quickly. So Sharny had

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<v Speaker 1>just moved out of her family's house and into a

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<v Speaker 1>townhouse when Jonathan thought, well, I'm sick of traveling forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes to see you, let's just move in. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>how Shany broke the news to her YouTube audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Have something very serious to talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>This little bug full fact little lunchkins moved into my

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<v Speaker 4>house about when I moved in pretty much because you

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<v Speaker 4>haven't been living in your own place. Now that he

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<v Speaker 4>like officially moved in like last week for me. Bought

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<v Speaker 4>all his stuff there except his golf clubs because they're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to fit in my house.

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<v Speaker 3>They can set his old house.

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<v Speaker 1>With the young couple now living together, Jonathan became a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent fixture on Shanni's channel, and viewers loved seeing them

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<v Speaker 1>navigating living together for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so scared to fight in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would literally get cramps in my stomach because

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<v Speaker 2>I was holding your fart in for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>Shani also admitted to occasionally needing space from Jonathan and

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<v Speaker 1>getting fed up from being together too often. She said

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<v Speaker 1>that she values having me time and likes to chill

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<v Speaker 1>by herself or with her friends. And this made me

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<v Speaker 1>remember that she was only eighteen at the time. She

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<v Speaker 1>just moved out of home for the first time, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was in this serious relationship that went from one

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred in the space of just four months.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time, Jonathan was working full time as

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<v Speaker 1>an account and in a video, he admitted to being

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<v Speaker 1>jealous of Shanes's YouTube channel. Here's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm jealous. I'm kind of jealous about the whole YouTube thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because I can work from home. Yeah, I like you.

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<v Speaker 3>I never knew anything about YouTube until I met Shani,

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<v Speaker 3>and I still don't know a lot of things. That's literally,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a whole other world. Hey it is, It

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<v Speaker 3>really is, and you can meet so many people.

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<v Speaker 5>I think everyone should starty YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Ironically, after this admission, it wasn't long until Jonathan left

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<v Speaker 1>his full time job to become Shanese manager and also

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<v Speaker 1>launch his own social media career. And it did make

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<v Speaker 1>sense because he did attract a large following just from

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<v Speaker 1>appearing in a couple of Shanese vlogs. At the height

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<v Speaker 1>of his fame, he had close to two hundred thousand followers,

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<v Speaker 1>and as Shannes's manager, one would assume that he took

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<v Speaker 1>a lucrative cut from her deals. Do you think they

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<v Speaker 1>would have been together as long as they were if

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<v Speaker 1>he hadn't made the move to a career in social media, Well, potentially,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think the opposite. Maybe they could have been

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<v Speaker 1>together for longer because you know, early on, Shany was

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<v Speaker 1>already talking about feeling that she needed time to herself,

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<v Speaker 1>So with him quitting his job, presumably they saw even

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<v Speaker 1>more of each other and potentially got on each other's nerves. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think back to this time, one of Shanny's

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<v Speaker 1>most famous catchphrases, and I think Michael Finch also had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with his catchphrase becoming so popular,

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<v Speaker 1>was Bindy.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah fucker dark Bindi.

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<v Speaker 1>Bindi is the name of the puppy that Shanny got

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, and she is still a regular fixture

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<v Speaker 1>on Shiny Grimman's social media accounts. But ironically, the catchphrase

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<v Speaker 1>almost didn't happen because when I was scrolling through the archives,

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<v Speaker 1>I was shocked to discover the Bindi's first name was

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<v Speaker 1>actually Audrey.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are gonna love her. Look how little she is.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Audrey. She's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a toy poodle across Shipsy, across maltees, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>just so little.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so confused at first, thinking is this a

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<v Speaker 1>different dog? But I can and confirm this is in

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<v Speaker 1>fact Bindi. Underneath the YouTube video, one follower wrote, your

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<v Speaker 1>puppy is adorable, and I personally think Bindy would suit

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<v Speaker 1>her more. It's not clear if this comment inspired the

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<v Speaker 1>name change, but I like to think that it did.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Shani purchased Bindy right as she moved into her new

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<v Speaker 1>home with Jonathan, so they were immediately this cute little family.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, guys, I'm going to be logging today, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Bindy says, good warning, Binny. Hey, Oh, she's so cute.

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<v Speaker 3>I let her sleep with me every night and she

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<v Speaker 3>like cuddles up into my chest. It's so cute. Look

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<v Speaker 3>at her.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Louie, baby, when is your one over there?

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple of months of Jonathan and Shanny living together,

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<v Speaker 1>without warning, Shanny disappeared from YouTube over too, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge shock to her followers. This absence led

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of confusion and speculation from her followers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Shanny did eventually make an anticipated return to YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>with a dramatic tell or video revealing that she had

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<v Speaker 1>been robbed. Here's what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>So my house was broken into one month ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was in New Zealand with my boyfriend on

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<v Speaker 2>a holiday. I honestly, never, ever, ever would have thought

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<v Speaker 2>something like this would have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>This incident really rocked Shanny. She no longer felt safe

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<v Speaker 1>being on her own or being in this house. The

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<v Speaker 1>robbers had actually stolen her house keys and car keys.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily they didn't end up taking the car, but it

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<v Speaker 1>did lead to a lot of anxiety that the robbers

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<v Speaker 1>could be back at any moment, so Shany and Jonathan

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<v Speaker 1>only lasted a few days in the rental before moving

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<v Speaker 1>back in with Shanni's family. Positive to come out of

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<v Speaker 1>the ordeal was that it brought Shanni and her family

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<v Speaker 1>a lot closer together. The downside for her followers was

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<v Speaker 1>that at her mom's house she could film, so her

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<v Speaker 1>camera and makeup had been stolen and her mom had

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<v Speaker 1>no backdrops to film in front of. Shannie did preface

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<v Speaker 1>that she also wasn't emotionally stable during that time to film.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember asking mom how much did they take? And

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<v Speaker 2>she said everything? And at this point I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>know how it happened. I didn't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>All I knew is that they took absolutely everything I had,

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<v Speaker 2>like no idea who it could have been, because no one,

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<v Speaker 2>or not many people at all, knew where I lived.

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<v Speaker 2>I never told anyone where I lived after the break in.

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<v Speaker 2>I have trust issues. I can't trust anyone. I honestly

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<v Speaker 2>question the littlest things, like if someone wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>my friend, and I'm like, do they really want to

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<v Speaker 2>be my friend or are they using me like for

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<v Speaker 2>followers or something like. I honestly just I can't trust

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<v Speaker 2>anyone and I have trust issues now, which really sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>This ordeal really shaped Shanny as a person going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and it made her question a lot of her interactions

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<v Speaker 1>with people. She has spoken a lot about suffering from anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>and this incident really exacerbated that. What also led to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of debates about influencer privacy. So months earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>Sharni had shared an extensive house tour, showing her followers

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<v Speaker 1>through every room of the house, even the garage where

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<v Speaker 1>her car was parked, and the different entry points into

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<v Speaker 1>her house.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's start with my landroom.

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<v Speaker 2>So my front door is right here, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that you see when you walk into

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<v Speaker 2>my house.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all black and plain. I need to add some

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<v Speaker 3>color and staff the laundroom.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a staircase that goes all the way up

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<v Speaker 2>to my three rooms and my bathrooms and staff by I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Show that later.

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<v Speaker 1>The public began questioning whether influencers were putting themselves in

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<v Speaker 1>danger by oversharing. Now. Following the incident, Sharni released another

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<v Speaker 1>vlog urging her followers for privacy, and it came to

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<v Speaker 1>her new rental.

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<v Speaker 2>So on a serious note, a few people have been

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<v Speaker 2>commenting on my Instagram photos so for everyone to see

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<v Speaker 2>and saying I.

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<v Speaker 5>Know where you live.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw you drive into a new place there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's honestly so disrespectful and so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>How would you like if I went around telling people

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<v Speaker 3>where you lived?

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is probably how I got broken into people

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<v Speaker 2>seeing me drive into my house and telling their friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it gets around to other people, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>so annoying, Like you have to let.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone have their privacy once in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because I have followers on Instagram or YouTube, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me any difference for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Even eight years on, influencers are still facing the same

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<v Speaker 1>issues when it comes to their privacy. Johnnie's best friend

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<v Speaker 1>Chloe Zepp had the same issue when she and her

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<v Speaker 1>now fiance Mitch brought a property on the Gold Coast

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<v Speaker 1>because as soon as they posted a photo in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the Soul sign, which I want to preface did

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<v Speaker 1>actually have the address blurred out, it didn't take long

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<v Speaker 1>for followers to track down the address on real estate

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com, and Mitch said that he even had followers

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<v Speaker 1>messaging him the address saying we know where you live.

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<v Speaker 1>A year on and the couple were also dramatically robbed

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<v Speaker 1>in a home invasion. So we're still at a point

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<v Speaker 1>where influencers have to be so careful about their safety.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hard one because obviously Molly May as well

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK, she got robbed, and I know that

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<v Speaker 1>stopped her from posting a lot, but then suddenly she

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<v Speaker 1>was just sort of like, well, fuck it, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to share my home account. Like it sort of restricts

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of influencers from being able to do their

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<v Speaker 1>job when they do have to really consider, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>parts of their life that they're sharing online. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>five months on from the robbery, Shannie ended up posting

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube video revealing she knew who broke into her house.

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<v Speaker 1>So she explained that straight after the robbery, she received

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<v Speaker 1>a message from a random girl saying she does to

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<v Speaker 1>note the truth now. The girl was fearful that the

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<v Speaker 1>robbers would come after her if they found out she

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<v Speaker 1>told Shanny. Shanny ended up convincing her to confess, and

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<v Speaker 1>she revealed that a group of eighteenagers had committed the robbery. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the kids were aged sixteen to seventeen, with half of

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<v Speaker 1>them guys and half of them girls. Now, Shanny took

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<v Speaker 1>this message to the police, who said the message wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>enough proof to convict them. So Shanny started doing some

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<v Speaker 1>investigating of her own. So she and Jonathan jumped online

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<v Speaker 1>and at this stage they knew the names of the robbers,

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<v Speaker 1>so they trolled through their social media accounts and found

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<v Speaker 1>photos of the robbers wearing their clothes. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>robbers even brazenly captioned his post, I robbed you Now.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, Shanny started receiving an influx of messages from

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<v Speaker 1>followers saying the group had been bragging at underage house

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<v Speaker 1>parties that they stole Shany Grimmin's makeup. Now, Sharny chose

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<v Speaker 1>not to reveal the robbers' names in her videos. She

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<v Speaker 1>said it was clear they were after airtime and attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that she had photos of the robbers, though wearing

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<v Speaker 1>her clothes, she took that information to the police, who

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<v Speaker 1>again said they couldn't do anything about it. They said

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<v Speaker 1>they needed a confession. Isn't this just so ridiculous? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that this is how the justice system works,

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<v Speaker 1>but you almost got to catch people in the act

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<v Speaker 1>robbing your house or have CCTVD vision of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, shortly after the robbery, the gang ended up breaking

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<v Speaker 1>into her house for a second time. Luckily, Shanny and

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan had moved out of the townhouse and they were

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<v Speaker 1>staying at her mum's house. Sharnie arrived at the townhouse

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<v Speaker 1>to discover a note on the door from police saying,

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<v Speaker 1>your door was left wide open. This street has been

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<v Speaker 1>broken into. So again, this group had targeted Shanny and

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<v Speaker 1>it was easy for them to do so because they

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<v Speaker 1>still had her house keys and car keys, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were coming and going as they pleased. Now, months after

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<v Speaker 1>the incident, when Sharni posted her video revealing that she'd

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<v Speaker 1>been robbed that night, she received a Facebook message from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the female robbers. Here's what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Love your new video without emoji. Hope you look after

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<v Speaker 2>your makeup a bit better next time. Splantyr face emoji

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to drag me into it deep the

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<v Speaker 2>person that the main person that did it is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be more than happy to continue the drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, is.

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<v Speaker 2>She literally threatening me that she's going to like break

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<v Speaker 2>into my house again? She literally just dobbed that person

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<v Speaker 2>in and said that he's the one that did it

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<v Speaker 2>and I've got it in writing.

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<v Speaker 1>It quickly became apparent that the girl was incredibly jealous

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<v Speaker 1>of Shanni's success and lifestyle, so she had been following

0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Shanni for some time and was training to become a

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<v Speaker 1>makeup artist herself, so in a follow up message, she

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<v Speaker 1>told Shanni to get a real job and stop bumming

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<v Speaker 1>around home making YouTube video like it's an actual job.

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<v Speaker 1>She then asked Shani why she doesn't do a makeup

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<v Speaker 1>course and said she wasn't smart enough and that it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder than it looks now. These robbers kept popping up

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<v Speaker 1>in random places, with Shany confronting one of the robbers

0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.920
<v Speaker 1>brothers at a music festival. The robber's friends also continued

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<v Speaker 1>to dob them into Shanny, confirming they used Shany's car

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<v Speaker 1>during the robbery to take car loads of her belongings

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<v Speaker 1>to a house and it had been planned for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. To me, this just confirms that they

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<v Speaker 1>were scouting out her house through her YouTube videos, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also knew that it was a good time to

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<v Speaker 1>strike because they could see on her Instagram that she

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<v Speaker 1>was away in New Zealand with Jonathan. It's just so

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<v Speaker 1>messed up that the police couldn't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just some random robbery. These people were clearly

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<v Speaker 1>targeting her, as we said, because they were jealous. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if it had escalated further.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because the role or the job of an

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<v Speaker 1>influencer was perceived so differently at the time, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that the police took her level of fame seriously enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and if anything, they probably blamed her for putting that

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<v Speaker 1>information readily out there.

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<v Speaker 2>The first question is did you do it to fit

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<v Speaker 2>into the Kylie Jeda trend?

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<v Speaker 1>In this series, we touched on the shiny grimm and effect,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about the Kylie Jenna effect that was simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>happening In twenty fifteen, at seventeen years old, Kylie started

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<v Speaker 1>setting the beauty standards when she went public with her

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<v Speaker 1>lip fillers. At the time, she denied getting the procedure done,

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<v Speaker 1>but after intense public scrutiny and backlash, she was forced

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<v Speaker 1>to reveal the truth on an episode of Keeping Up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Kardashians Now. The day she revealed the news

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<v Speaker 1>to the world, the number of Google searchers for the

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<v Speaker 1>procedure shot up by seventy percent. I remember at the

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<v Speaker 1>time she just kept saying, Oh, no, I've just been

0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:55.240
<v Speaker 1>overlining my lips and I was like, no, Well. It

0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.000
<v Speaker 1>really did spark an obsession with her lips, and she

0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.720
<v Speaker 1>used that to her advantage because she launched her Kylie

0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.640
<v Speaker 1>lip kits six months later. I remember those as at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, Snapchat was just massive, and Kylie would always

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<v Speaker 1>be posting about the lip kits like she was such

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<v Speaker 1>a genius. It's easy to see why she became a

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire so quickly, because she really utilized social media marketing. Yeah,

0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.200
<v Speaker 1>because she was younger, she really seemed to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>power of social media more so than her other sisters. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks before Kylie admitted to getting lip filler, a

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<v Speaker 1>trend called the Kylie Jenner lip Challenge went viral. Do

0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you remember this, Oh well, I feel like this was

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<v Speaker 1>the year of There was always some kind of challenge

0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.120
<v Speaker 1>style scenario, but I remember the name, but I can't

0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.560
<v Speaker 1>remember what people were actually doing. So basically, people tried

0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to emulate her lips by inserting their lips into a

0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.760
<v Speaker 1>shot glass and then sucking the air to create a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>so it created so much pressure that people's lips would

0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:01.040
<v Speaker 1>temporarily swell. Now, Kylie's admission also led to normalization of

0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.239
<v Speaker 1>lip fillers, with young women heading into clinics in their

0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.760
<v Speaker 1>droves to have the procedure done. A bit of a

0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.359
<v Speaker 1>fun fact, I was working at Channel seven at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did this investigation into the rise in young

0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.480
<v Speaker 1>women getting lip fillers. Yeah, and we did use Kylie

0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Jennet in the story as as a key motivator, because

0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.399
<v Speaker 1>you've got to remember that in twenty seventeen, it was

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<v Speaker 1>really new. Like I remember it being quite shocking when

0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Kylie admitted she'd had lip fillers. Now no one cares well.

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<v Speaker 1>Shany Grimman was one of those teenagers who ended up

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<v Speaker 1>heading in to visit her local injector.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I got my lips done. They are extremely, extremely

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<v Speaker 3>swollen at the moment, so they're not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>this big in a few days. Don't worry people like

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<v Speaker 3>freaking out, Oh my god, what did you do to

0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.640
<v Speaker 3>your lips? Don't worry. The swelling will go down.

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<v Speaker 2>I would never make my lips look fake except right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's nothing I can do about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that Shany is prefacing in this grab that

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, my lips aren't going to look fake, They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look natural. Because this really, as you touched

0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:09.280
<v Speaker 1>on Amy, was the first time we were openly hearing

0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.240
<v Speaker 1>women speak about the cosmetic procedures they were choosing to

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<v Speaker 1>get done, because in the past, there was a lot

0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of shame and secrecy around it, and women in the

0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>public eye would often deflect and just have to pretend

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<v Speaker 1>that they hadn't had anything done. It's also the age

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<v Speaker 1>factor as well. I think we're surprising hearing someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager talking about cosmetic surgery. Yeah, that's very true,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was something that we just sort of thought

0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that older women did. Also because most teens probably didn't

0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.320
<v Speaker 1>have the money to actually do it. But because of

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of YouTubers and influencers, I think young women

0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 1>were getting more and more money and they were able

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<v Speaker 1>to make these decisions for themselves, and that was the

0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:52.680
<v Speaker 1>real issue because teenagers couldn't afford it. Unfortunately, they were

0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.679
<v Speaker 1>going to places where people weren't experienced in using lip fillers,

0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.960
<v Speaker 1>which ended in a lot of people having their lips

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<v Speaker 1>overfilled or botched. There was very fierce debate raging at

0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the time whether this openness was a good or bad thing,

0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.320
<v Speaker 1>because some people felt it was unethical for influences to

0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:16.640
<v Speaker 1>normalize the practice to impressionable teenagers because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>many influencers would vlog their procedure in the chair and

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<v Speaker 1>they do q and as about the experience, and there

0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>was this fear that by normalizing a procedure like lip injections,

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<v Speaker 1>it would create unrealistic beauty standards and cause people to

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<v Speaker 1>develop an obsession with perceived flaws. Well, on the other hand,

0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.400
<v Speaker 1>there were others who believed that the openness helped break

0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.680
<v Speaker 1>down stigma and also empowered women to make decisions about

0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.960
<v Speaker 1>their body without judgment. And unsurprisingly, Shani was incredibly open

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.240
<v Speaker 1>about her lip filler journey. She wasn't new to the

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.719
<v Speaker 1>world of cosmetic work because she previously had created a

0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 1>series of YouTube videos about getting veneers, and she was

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.840
<v Speaker 1>just so open about her life, so this wasn't something

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that she was going to try and conceal and hide.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that she was so open about it because,

0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.200
<v Speaker 1>as we say, at the time, because of Kylie Jennet,

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.840
<v Speaker 1>there was so much interest in the procedure, and I

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>think she probably knew it was a clever way to

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.159
<v Speaker 1>get extra views and engagement on her videos, so she

0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 1>did do a sit down Q and A answering followers questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and many were intrigued to find out if the procedure

0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was painful and how much it cost, and whether she

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 1>was happy with the results. She was also asked if

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 1>she was motivated by Kylie Jennet to get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>I would never.

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<v Speaker 2>Change the look of my face, or body or anything

0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.879
<v Speaker 2>just to fit into a trend. I don't necessarily follow trends.

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I just do what makes me happy. I know that's

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.879
<v Speaker 2>so cliche to say, but basically, one side of my

0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>lip was really big and the other side was really thin,

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.080
<v Speaker 2>so I just wanted to even out give them a

0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.120
<v Speaker 2>natural plump and make them look naturally juicy.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel for Shanny because after watching a lot of

0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.399
<v Speaker 1>her early vlogs back, it's clear that she received a

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.959
<v Speaker 1>lot of hate comments about the size of her lips,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be really hard not to be impacted

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<v Speaker 1>by those comments and feel like you had to change yourself,

0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 1>particularly when you're being built up as this it girl

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of YouTube and you have to live up to these

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.760
<v Speaker 1>very high beauty standards that are coming out because it

0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.600
<v Speaker 1>was the it thing to have full lips. And that's

0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the funny thing that there will be all these people

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 1>online that will hate on an influencer for the way

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that they look, and then when they go and change

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 1>something about themselves, it'll be like, oh my god, they

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 1>used to look so much better before. They really can't

0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 1>win sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of other burning questions that she received were

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 1>about whether it felt different for her to kiss and

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 1>what Jonathan thought of them, and she tactfully explained that

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan didn't really have an opinion because he didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect, but she did admit that when she

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<v Speaker 1>got home and she was all swollen from the procedure,

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>his first reaction was, holy shit, what have you done?

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But she prefaced that he really likes them. Now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting to watch the Q and A back with hindsight,

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 1>because at the time she was quite adamant that she

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted to keep her lips looking very natural, and she

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 1>talked glowingly about her injector. However, as the years went on,

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Sharni suffered quite badly with filler migration, and she ended

0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.200
<v Speaker 1>up having to get them dissolved and subsequently filled again

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.800
<v Speaker 1>by a new injector who she trusted. So she explained

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.119
<v Speaker 1>that in her teenage years she would visit random injectors,

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 1>which she regretted and advised others not to do now.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after going public with her lip filler, Shanny was

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>rocked by her first controversy. So before heading to a festival,

0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Sharni uploaded a snapchat story of her brother and an

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.679
<v Speaker 1>acquaintance playing with nerf guns, which sounds pretty innocent. The

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 1>only catch was in the background of the shot was

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a Nazi flag hanging on the wall. Now, the backlash

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was swift, with followers accusing Shanny of being racist and

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 1>calling for her to be canceled. Now, I don't think

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the word canceled was actually used at the time, but

0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this post did deeply affect a section of Shanny's followers

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and there was a lot of anger and feeling like

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>she shouldn't be able to continue sharing YouTube videos. She

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was on the front foot, though. She released a YouTube

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.040
<v Speaker 1>video entitled The Truth Behind the Rumors so she could

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 1>explain her side of the story. So she started the

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>video saying this.

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<v Speaker 2>So firstly, I just want to say I would never

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<v Speaker 2>support or have any sort of association with any group

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 2>like the Nazi. I am not racist in any way,

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.640
<v Speaker 2>shape or form. I do not discriminate against any nationality

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>or race.

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:39.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm not that kind of person.

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<v Speaker 1>She went on to explain that she was at a

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.480
<v Speaker 1>friend of a friend's apartment and they went there to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out before the festival. She confirmed that she was

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.400
<v Speaker 1>only there for ten minutes and in that time snapchated

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 1>her brother and friend playing with the nerf guns. She

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<v Speaker 1>explained that when she uses Snapchat, she doesn't look back

0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>at the videos, she just posts in real time anyway.

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Shanny says that they then ended up leaving the apartment

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to go to the festival, and two hours later, her

0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>brother text her saying, there's a Nazi flag in your background.

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<v Speaker 1>Shani immediately removed the posts and explained that she never

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 1>intentionally posted the flag. In fact, she had no idea

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it was even in the background, and it was quite

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>clear listening to the video that Shanny didn't have much

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of the flag's meaning at the point.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't one hundred percent know the meaning of this flag.

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I did know that it was not a good flag, obviously, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I do know the meaning now.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still feel like that the fact that I

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't know the true one hundred percent meaning behind this

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 2>flag isn't really necessary to the reason why it was up.

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<v Speaker 3>I just generally did not see the flag.

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<v Speaker 1>She confirmed that she had since educated herself on its

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>meaning and was very apologetic to the followers she had upset.

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 1>She also reiterated that she had nothing to do with

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the person who hung the flag and had no idea

0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>why it was up in the person's house, and that

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>she's not friends with this particular person. Shanni got really

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 1>teary in this video, and it was clear that she

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 1>was very apologetic. She sounded very genuine, and to me,

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>this is a teenage girl who made a mistake. I

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>believe what she said in this video. I think that

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>she had no idea that the flag was there and

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 1>clearly wasn't aware of the flag's history. It is interesting

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>to take a look at this video from a PR

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>perspective because in twenty twenty four we're so used to

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>seeing influencer apology videos, but this was one of the

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>first of its kind in twenty fifteen. I think she

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>handled herself really well because she didn't try and shy

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>away from the controversy. She tackled her head on, and

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>she acknowledged where she went wrong and that she'd educated

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>herself and apologized. And this is why this incident really

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:50.479
<v Speaker 1>didn't affect her sponsorship deals going forward, because it was

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>clearly a case of her being in the wrong place

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 1>at the wrong time. Now, Shanni's newfound fame led to

0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of jealousy within her school friendship group and

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>bubbled over on a trip to Splendor when she discovered

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>she was being mocked on snapchat.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 5>So basically what happened is something really bad made me

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 5>feel like shit, So I ended up going home really early.

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.920
<v Speaker 5>So someone that I was really really really close friends

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 5>with put up snapchats of her friend mocking me, so like, hey, guys,

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 5>welcome back to my channel, like I'm YouTube famous. Here's

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 5>my coupon code for the bus because I'm getting a

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 5>bus to Slender and just being.

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>The biggest asshole.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.159
<v Speaker 2>And this person that I was really close friends with

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was like laughing at her and everything, like condoning her,

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>like putting it on her own snapchat. It made me

0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>so angry because I don't think you should be friends

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<v Speaker 2>with people that make you feel like shit about yourself

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<v Speaker 2>or about what you do. I was just like so shocked,

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 2>and like, I know, I just couldn't get my mood

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>back up again.

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 3>But that's done.

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 5>I don't have time for that in my life anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's clear that this reaction stemmed from jealousy. Shanny was

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>being offered so many amazing opportunities and allso being gifted

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>free products, and this whole influencing thing was a completely

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>new phenomenon. So I can kind of see both sides.

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I can see why her friends probably had their noses

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>out of joint, and I can see also why it

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been incredibly difficult for Sharni to navigate this

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>new found fame on her own.

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>At that stage as well, it was probably seen as

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>being a bit embarrassing talking to a camera in public.

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I still think that there is a lot

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of judgment. It depends where you are in the world.

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Like if you're in the US filming, I think, or

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>even in Sydney, no one really cares what you're doing.

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But if you were to walk down the street in Adelaide,

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you'd get a similar reaction. Yeah, it

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>is no surprise that at nineteen Shanne started befriending fellow

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>YouTubers who were going through the same experiences as her,

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>because clearly her friends weren't able to relate to what

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was going on. This is where Michael Finch entered the scene.

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>So Shanni and Michael, they were such an unbeatable jew way.

0:27:55.800 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>They instantly had this chemistry when they'd film together. They

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>sparked up a friendship online and it's pretty cute because

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>they both used to watch each other's YouTube videos and

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>they started messaging each other from there. And at the time,

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>Michael was living in Regional Victoria and Shanny was in

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Brisbane and they met in person for the first time

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>when Sharney was visiting Melbourne. So Michael ended up doing

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>her makeup and they ended up going out clubbing together

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and really hit it off. Funnily enough, this is also

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 1>the night that Shannie and Michael met Lily Brown, so

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>shortly after, Michael visited Sharnie in Brisbane for a sleepover.

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>And a bit of a fun fact, the first video

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of Sharnee on Michael's channel is from this sleepover, and

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it was only the second time they had met, and

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you couldn't tell because they had this instant chemistry on

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>camera and it was like they'd known each other their

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>whole lives. They razzed each other up and they were

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>playfully rude to one another, and Michael literally at one

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>stage burped in Charny's face, and he also dropped that

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Sharny had been farting around him for their entire stay,

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's clear that they were comfortable around each other

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>from day dot and it wasn't long before Michael moved

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to Brisbane to be closer to Shanni and his other

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>YouTube friends, and by this stage they had formed a

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 1>formidable influencer click Teenagers were absolutely obsessed with this friendship group,

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>which consisted of Lily Brown, Rannie Brands, Beat Sky, Wheatley,

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and of course Michael and Shanni. And at the time,

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Shanni and Michael's growth was enormous, so people saw it

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 1>as almost opportunistic for Lily Sky and Rannie to be

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in their videos. It kind of grew their following instantaneously,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was at a time when beauty influencers could

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.959
<v Speaker 1>really make or break brands, and brands were paying out

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>enormous paychecks for their endorsements. It's crazy to think that

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the biggest brands at the time were Anastagia, Beverly Hills,

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and Morphy. It was the days when everyone was using

0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>tart shaped tape and Becker highlighter, and because there was

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>so much money to be made, some followers did speculate

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>on the genuineness of this friendship and whether these three

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>girls were in fact using Michael and Shanny to grow

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>their careers.

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier in this episode, we touched on Shari's catchphrase bindy,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and it really was Michael who made the catchphrase what

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>it was. He was obsessed with Shannie's little dog. Let's

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>throw to some of their most iconic catchphrases, Get in.

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 3>There, bindy, way back on the butler.

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying ells fucking serious.

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 3>That's a problem that like I kind of stop.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>These catchphrases were so big the Beginning Boutique jumped on

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity and they offered Shanni and Michael a collaboration

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>which would see their catchphrases emblazoned on merchandise. So they

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>were that said thank you, not a problem and see you,

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 1>and Shani originally had her own label SG the label,

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>but she then rebranded when she and Mike started making

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>their joint merchandise. I actually have a pair of socks.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't actually think they were from beginning boutique. I

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>think Michael also released his own merch just by himself

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that say, c what if they'd be worth anything now?

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I doubt it. But one thing that I really loved

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 1>about Shanny and Michael was that they had such a

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>wholesome friendship. They traveled quite a lot together and it

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just for brand trips. They actually genuinely enjoyed traveling

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the world together. And one of my ultimate favorite YouTube

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>videos to this day is Shanni and Michael in Bali,

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was the first time that Michael had ever

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>traveled overseas, and you can tell he is just so

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.959
<v Speaker 1>young in this video because he knew nothing about Ballei

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>or the rest of the world, and Shani kept quizzing

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>him on what barley belly was, and he was very

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>confused about whether you could get barley belly from the

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>water from the tap or whether it was the water

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>in the pool or the water in the ocean. I

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>need to remember that Michael Finched was a boy from

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Country Victorious, and he also dropped out of school very early.

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Now Shiny really highlighted Michael's lack of understanding when it

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 1>came to geography.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 4>In this clip, Michael literally just asked the best question,

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 4>you know how He's like really good with geography and

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 4>all of that good stuff. He's like, don't film this,

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 4>but can I ask your question?

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>He said, are we like still in the world like

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 3>that little blue ball? Are we like there?

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, well, yeah, Bali is in Earth.

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 3>So he learned something you know every day, can't you.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I just thought, no, honest to god, I honestly thought

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 2>like it was just another island.

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 3>We are in another island.

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but like did we leave the blue ball?

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Obviously not no.

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 4>Because only humans live on Earth. They don't live in

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 4>any other planets maybe like Aliens.

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 5>This is why I don't fly anywhere, because it just

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 5>confuses me.

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 3>And I saw, literally this is how you learn you fly.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 4>I still don't know where I am. We're in a

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 4>country near Australia that we're in an island.

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, same thing.

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, this is iconic. I love this so much,

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 1>like it never gets old. He comes across as someone

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that you would just love to travel with. I mean

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe someone that you would have to kind of help

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>along the way. Though Yeah, I feel like you want

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>him in a group situation, like you definitely want to

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>travel with him, Shani and maybe another person maybe not

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Sky Oh as in that US trip they went on

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>looked pretty horrendous because they were all competing to be heard.

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>While Shanny's friendships were flourishing, the same couldn't be said

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>about her relationship with Jonathan, and while they look like

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 1>the definition of couple goals online, behind closed doors it

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>was a very different story. So Sharani broke the Internet

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen when she posted a YouTube video entitled

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<v Speaker 1>we Broke Up. This is where We'll leave you for

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<v Speaker 1>today's episode. In next week's final installment, we explored the

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.239
<v Speaker 1>chaos that erupted when Shanni pulled the pin on her

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>three year relationship with Jonathan Soer. We also discussed the

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>demise of the Hottest Influencer Click, Shanny's moved to Melbourne

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>for footballer Tommy Bug, and her entrance into the business world.

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