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Speaker 1: point out that this isn't part of our regular Friday programming.

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Speaker 1: We are having a couple of Fridays off to spend

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Speaker 1: with our new nephew Jack, So in the meantime we

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Speaker 1: have put together a deep dive series on Shany Grimman.

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Speaker 1: This is episode two. Shannie Grimmond was living out her dream.

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Speaker 1: The eighteen year old was working full time as a

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Speaker 2: Pretty much only been using this threat right here. It

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Speaker 2: is the Morphy Arshadow Pale. In three five zero.

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Speaker 1: She'd fallen head over hills with twenty three year old

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Speaker 1: accountant Jonathan Sower and things were moving fast. A new

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Speaker 1: friendship with fellow beauty blogger Michael Finch was blossoming and

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Speaker 1: she was just about to head up one of Australia's

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Speaker 1: In this series, we explore the phenomenon of Shanni Grimmond,

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. I'm so excited to get

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Speaker 1: into part two of our Shany Grimmin deep dive. We

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Speaker 1: had such a great reaction to the first episode. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of messages from people saying they

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Speaker 1: felt so nostalgic listening and that they really miss SHARNI. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seemed to be an overwhelming response, and it is

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Speaker 1: testament to the fact that Shanny really felt like a

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Speaker 1: friend to so many people growing up watching her YouTube videos. Now,

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Speaker 1: when we left you, Sharny had just gotten into a

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Speaker 1: very new relationship with Jonathan Sour and after four months

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Speaker 1: didn't know that things moved that quickly. So Sharny had

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Speaker 1: how Shany broke the news to her YouTube audience.

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Speaker 3: Have something very serious to talk about.

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Speaker 4: This little bug full fact little lunchkins moved into my

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Speaker 4: house about when I moved in pretty much because you

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Speaker 3: They can set his old house.

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Speaker 1: With the young couple now living together, Jonathan became a

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Speaker 1: permanent fixture on Shanni's channel, and viewers loved seeing them

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Speaker 2: I was so scared to fight in front of you,

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Speaker 2: Like I would literally get cramps in my stomach because

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Speaker 1: Shani also admitted to occasionally needing space from Jonathan and

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Speaker 1: getting fed up from being together too often. She said

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Speaker 1: remember that she was only eighteen at the time. She

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Speaker 1: And at the time, Jonathan was working full time as

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Speaker 1: an account and in a video, he admitted to being

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Speaker 1: jealous of Shanes's YouTube channel. Here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: because I can work from home. Yeah, I like you.

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Speaker 3: I never knew anything about YouTube until I met Shani,

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Speaker 3: and I still don't know a lot of things. That's literally,

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Speaker 3: it's like a whole other world. Hey it is, It

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Speaker 5: I think everyone should starty YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Ironically, after this admission, it wasn't long until Jonathan left

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Speaker 1: and as Shannes's manager, one would assume that he took

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Speaker 1: was Bindy.

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Speaker 2: Ah fucker dark Bindi.

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Speaker 1: Bindi is the name of the puppy that Shanny got

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Speaker 3: You guys are gonna love her. Look how little she is.

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Speaker 3: This is Audrey. She's so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: She's a toy poodle across Shipsy, across maltees, and she's

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Speaker 1: I was so confused at first, thinking is this a

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Speaker 1: Shani purchased Bindy right as she moved into her new

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Speaker 2: Good morning, guys, I'm going to be logging today, and.

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Speaker 3: Bindy says, good warning, Binny. Hey, Oh, she's so cute.

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Speaker 3: I let her sleep with me every night and she

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Speaker 4: Oh, Louie, baby, when is your one over there?

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Speaker 1: After a couple of months of Jonathan and Shanny living together,

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Speaker 1: without warning, Shanny disappeared from YouTube over too, and this

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Speaker 1: with a dramatic tell or video revealing that she had

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Speaker 3: So my house was broken into one month ago.

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Speaker 2: So I was in New Zealand with my boyfriend on

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Speaker 2: a holiday. I honestly, never, ever, ever would have thought

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Speaker 1: This incident really rocked Shanny. She no longer felt safe

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Speaker 1: Luckily they didn't end up taking the car, but it

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Speaker 1: the ordeal was that it brought Shanni and her family

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Speaker 1: that at her mom's house she could film, so her

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Speaker 2: I remember asking mom how much did they take? And

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Speaker 2: All I knew is that they took absolutely everything I had,

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Speaker 2: I never told anyone where I lived after the break in.

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Speaker 2: I have trust issues. I can't trust anyone. I honestly

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Speaker 2: question the littlest things, like if someone wants to be

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Speaker 1: This ordeal really shaped Shanny as a person going forward,

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Speaker 1: a lot of debates about influencer privacy. So months earlier,

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Speaker 1: Sharni had shared an extensive house tour, showing her followers

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Speaker 3: Let's start with my landroom.

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Speaker 2: So my front door is right here, and this is

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Speaker 3: It's all black and plain. I need to add some

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Speaker 2: We have a staircase that goes all the way up

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Speaker 3: Show that later.

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Speaker 1: The public began questioning whether influencers were putting themselves in

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Speaker 2: So on a serious note, a few people have been

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Speaker 5: Know where you live.

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Speaker 3: I saw you drive into a new place there.

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Speaker 3: How would you like if I went around telling people

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Speaker 2: Like this is probably how I got broken into people

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Speaker 2: Just because I have followers on Instagram or YouTube, it

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Speaker 1: Even eight years on, influencers are still facing the same

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Speaker 1: now fiance Mitch brought a property on the Gold Coast

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Speaker 1: It's a hard one because obviously Molly May as well

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Speaker 1: So she explained that straight after the robbery, she received

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Speaker 3: Yes, I got my lips done. They are extremely, extremely

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Speaker 2: I just do what makes me happy. I know that's

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Speaker 1: a Nazi flag hanging on the wall. Now, the backlash

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Speaker 1: was swift, with followers accusing Shanny of being racist and

437
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Speaker 1: calling for her to be canceled. Now, I don't think

438
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: the word canceled was actually used at the time, but

439
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: this post did deeply affect a section of Shanny's followers

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00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of anger and feeling like

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Speaker 1: she shouldn't be able to continue sharing YouTube videos. She

442
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: was on the front foot, though. She released a YouTube

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Speaker 1: video entitled The Truth Behind the Rumors so she could

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Speaker 1: explain her side of the story. So she started the

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Speaker 1: video saying this.

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Speaker 2: So firstly, I just want to say I would never

447
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Speaker 2: support or have any sort of association with any group

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Speaker 2: like the Nazi. I am not racist in any way,

449
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Speaker 2: shape or form. I do not discriminate against any nationality

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Speaker 2: or race.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of person.

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Speaker 1: She went on to explain that she was at a

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Speaker 1: friend of a friend's apartment and they went there to

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Speaker 1: hang out before the festival. She confirmed that she was

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Speaker 1: only there for ten minutes and in that time snapchated

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Speaker 1: her brother and friend playing with the nerf guns. She

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00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: explained that when she uses Snapchat, she doesn't look back

458
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: at the videos, she just posts in real time anyway.

459
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Shanny says that they then ended up leaving the apartment

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Speaker 1: to go to the festival, and two hours later, her

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00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: brother text her saying, there's a Nazi flag in your background.

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Speaker 1: Shani immediately removed the posts and explained that she never

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Speaker 1: intentionally posted the flag. In fact, she had no idea

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Speaker 1: it was even in the background, and it was quite

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Speaker 1: clear listening to the video that Shanny didn't have much

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Speaker 1: knowledge of the flag's meaning at the point.

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Speaker 2: I didn't one hundred percent know the meaning of this flag.

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Speaker 2: I did know that it was not a good flag, obviously, but.

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Speaker 3: I do know the meaning now.

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Speaker 2: But I still feel like that the fact that I

471
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Speaker 2: didn't know the true one hundred percent meaning behind this

472
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: flag isn't really necessary to the reason why it was up.

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Speaker 3: I just generally did not see the flag.

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Speaker 1: She confirmed that she had since educated herself on its

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Speaker 1: meaning and was very apologetic to the followers she had upset.

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Speaker 1: She also reiterated that she had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the person who hung the flag and had no idea

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Speaker 1: why it was up in the person's house, and that

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Speaker 1: she's not friends with this particular person. Shanni got really

480
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: teary in this video, and it was clear that she

481
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Speaker 1: was very apologetic. She sounded very genuine, and to me,

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Speaker 1: this is a teenage girl who made a mistake. I

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Speaker 1: believe what she said in this video. I think that

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Speaker 1: she had no idea that the flag was there and

485
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Speaker 1: clearly wasn't aware of the flag's history. It is interesting

486
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Speaker 1: to take a look at this video from a PR

487
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Speaker 1: perspective because in twenty twenty four we're so used to

488
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Speaker 1: seeing influencer apology videos, but this was one of the

489
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Speaker 1: first of its kind in twenty fifteen. I think she

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00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: handled herself really well because she didn't try and shy

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Speaker 1: away from the controversy. She tackled her head on, and

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00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: she acknowledged where she went wrong and that she'd educated

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Speaker 1: herself and apologized. And this is why this incident really

494
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: didn't affect her sponsorship deals going forward, because it was

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Speaker 1: clearly a case of her being in the wrong place

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Speaker 1: at the wrong time. Now, Shanni's newfound fame led to

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Speaker 1: a lot of jealousy within her school friendship group and

498
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: bubbled over on a trip to Splendor when she discovered

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Speaker 1: she was being mocked on snapchat.

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Speaker 5: So basically what happened is something really bad made me

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Speaker 5: feel like shit, So I ended up going home really early.

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Speaker 5: So someone that I was really really really close friends

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Speaker 5: with put up snapchats of her friend mocking me, so like, hey, guys,

504
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: welcome back to my channel, like I'm YouTube famous. Here's

505
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 5: my coupon code for the bus because I'm getting a

506
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 5: bus to Slender and just being.

507
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Speaker 3: The biggest asshole.

508
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Speaker 2: And this person that I was really close friends with

509
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: was like laughing at her and everything, like condoning her,

510
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: like putting it on her own snapchat. It made me

511
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: so angry because I don't think you should be friends

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Speaker 2: with people that make you feel like shit about yourself

513
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Speaker 2: or about what you do. I was just like so shocked,

514
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Speaker 2: and like, I know, I just couldn't get my mood

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Speaker 2: back up again.

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Speaker 3: But that's done.

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Speaker 5: I don't have time for that in my life anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that this reaction stemmed from jealousy. Shanny was

519
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: being offered so many amazing opportunities and allso being gifted

520
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: free products, and this whole influencing thing was a completely

521
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: new phenomenon. So I can kind of see both sides.

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Speaker 1: I can see why her friends probably had their noses

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00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: out of joint, and I can see also why it

524
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: would have been incredibly difficult for Sharni to navigate this

525
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: new found fame on her own.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: At that stage as well, it was probably seen as

528
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: being a bit embarrassing talking to a camera in public.

529
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Speaker 1: I mean, I still think that there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of judgment. It depends where you are in the world.

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Speaker 1: Like if you're in the US filming, I think, or

532
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: even in Sydney, no one really cares what you're doing.

533
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: But if you were to walk down the street in Adelaide,

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00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you'd get a similar reaction. Yeah, it

535
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: is no surprise that at nineteen Shanne started befriending fellow

536
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: YouTubers who were going through the same experiences as her,

537
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: because clearly her friends weren't able to relate to what

538
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: was going on. This is where Michael Finch entered the scene.

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: So Shanni and Michael, they were such an unbeatable jew way.

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00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: They instantly had this chemistry when they'd film together. They

541
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: sparked up a friendship online and it's pretty cute because

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00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: they both used to watch each other's YouTube videos and

543
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: they started messaging each other from there. And at the time,

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Speaker 1: Michael was living in Regional Victoria and Shanny was in

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Speaker 1: Brisbane and they met in person for the first time

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Speaker 1: when Sharney was visiting Melbourne. So Michael ended up doing

547
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: her makeup and they ended up going out clubbing together

548
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: and really hit it off. Funnily enough, this is also

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00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: the night that Shannie and Michael met Lily Brown, so

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00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: shortly after, Michael visited Sharnie in Brisbane for a sleepover.

551
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Speaker 1: And a bit of a fun fact, the first video

552
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: of Sharnee on Michael's channel is from this sleepover, and

553
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: it was only the second time they had met, and

554
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell because they had this instant chemistry on

555
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: camera and it was like they'd known each other their

556
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: whole lives. They razzed each other up and they were

557
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: playfully rude to one another, and Michael literally at one

558
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: stage burped in Charny's face, and he also dropped that

559
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Sharny had been farting around him for their entire stay,

560
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: So it's clear that they were comfortable around each other

561
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: from day dot and it wasn't long before Michael moved

562
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Speaker 1: to Brisbane to be closer to Shanni and his other

563
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: YouTube friends, and by this stage they had formed a

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00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: formidable influencer click Teenagers were absolutely obsessed with this friendship group,

565
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: which consisted of Lily Brown, Rannie Brands, Beat Sky, Wheatley,

566
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: and of course Michael and Shanni. And at the time,

567
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: Shanni and Michael's growth was enormous, so people saw it

568
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: as almost opportunistic for Lily Sky and Rannie to be

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Speaker 1: in their videos. It kind of grew their following instantaneously,

570
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: and it was at a time when beauty influencers could

571
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: really make or break brands, and brands were paying out

572
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: enormous paychecks for their endorsements. It's crazy to think that

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: the biggest brands at the time were Anastagia, Beverly Hills,

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00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: and Morphy. It was the days when everyone was using

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: tart shaped tape and Becker highlighter, and because there was

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00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: so much money to be made, some followers did speculate

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00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: on the genuineness of this friendship and whether these three

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00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: girls were in fact using Michael and Shanny to grow

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Speaker 1: their careers.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Earlier in this episode, we touched on Shari's catchphrase bindy,

582
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Speaker 1: and it really was Michael who made the catchphrase what

583
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Speaker 1: it was. He was obsessed with Shannie's little dog. Let's

584
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: throw to some of their most iconic catchphrases, Get in.

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00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: There, bindy, way back on the butler.

586
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying ells fucking serious.

587
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: That's a problem that like I kind of stop.

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00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: These catchphrases were so big the Beginning Boutique jumped on

589
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity and they offered Shanni and Michael a collaboration

590
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: which would see their catchphrases emblazoned on merchandise. So they

591
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: were that said thank you, not a problem and see you,

592
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: and Shani originally had her own label SG the label,

593
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: but she then rebranded when she and Mike started making

594
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: their joint merchandise. I actually have a pair of socks.

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00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't actually think they were from beginning boutique. I

596
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: think Michael also released his own merch just by himself

597
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: that say, c what if they'd be worth anything now?

598
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I doubt it. But one thing that I really loved

599
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: about Shanny and Michael was that they had such a

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: wholesome friendship. They traveled quite a lot together and it

601
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: wasn't just for brand trips. They actually genuinely enjoyed traveling

602
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: the world together. And one of my ultimate favorite YouTube

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00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: videos to this day is Shanni and Michael in Bali,

604
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: and it was the first time that Michael had ever

605
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: traveled overseas, and you can tell he is just so

606
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: young in this video because he knew nothing about Ballei

607
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: or the rest of the world, and Shani kept quizzing

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00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: him on what barley belly was, and he was very

609
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: confused about whether you could get barley belly from the

610
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: water from the tap or whether it was the water

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: in the pool or the water in the ocean. I

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: need to remember that Michael Finched was a boy from

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Speaker 1: Country Victorious, and he also dropped out of school very early.

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00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: Now Shiny really highlighted Michael's lack of understanding when it

615
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: came to geography.

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Speaker 4: In this clip, Michael literally just asked the best question,

617
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Speaker 4: you know how He's like really good with geography and

618
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: all of that good stuff. He's like, don't film this,

619
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: but can I ask your question?

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Speaker 3: He said, are we like still in the world like

621
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: that little blue ball? Are we like there?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, yeah, Bali is in Earth.

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Speaker 3: So he learned something you know every day, can't you.

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Speaker 2: I just thought, no, honest to god, I honestly thought

625
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Speaker 2: like it was just another island.

626
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Speaker 3: We are in another island.

627
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like did we leave the blue ball?

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00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: Obviously not no.

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Speaker 4: Because only humans live on Earth. They don't live in

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Speaker 4: any other planets maybe like Aliens.

631
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Speaker 5: This is why I don't fly anywhere, because it just

632
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: confuses me.

633
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: And I saw, literally this is how you learn you fly.

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Speaker 4: I still don't know where I am. We're in a

635
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: country near Australia that we're in an island.

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00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: Well, same thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, this is iconic. I love this so much,

638
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: like it never gets old. He comes across as someone

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00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: that you would just love to travel with. I mean

640
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: maybe someone that you would have to kind of help

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00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: along the way. Though Yeah, I feel like you want

642
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: him in a group situation, like you definitely want to

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00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: travel with him, Shani and maybe another person maybe not

644
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Sky Oh as in that US trip they went on

645
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: looked pretty horrendous because they were all competing to be heard.

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00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: Now.

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: While Shanny's friendships were flourishing, the same couldn't be said

648
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Jonathan, and while they look like

649
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: the definition of couple goals online, behind closed doors it

650
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: was a very different story. So Sharani broke the Internet

651
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen when she posted a YouTube video entitled

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Speaker 1: we Broke Up. This is where We'll leave you for

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Speaker 1: today's episode. In next week's final installment, we explored the

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Speaker 1: chaos that erupted when Shanni pulled the pin on her

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Speaker 1: three year relationship with Jonathan Soer. We also discussed the

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Speaker 1: demise of the Hottest Influencer Click, Shanny's moved to Melbourne

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Speaker 1: for footballer Tommy Bug, and her entrance into the business world.

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Speaker 1: If you did enjoy today's episode, we would love if

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Speaker 1: really does help the podcast out. Also, if you'd like

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Speaker 1: Underscore the Underscore podcast. You can also follow Kate, Sophie

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Speaker 1: and I on Instagram. This episode was recorded on the

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Speaker 1: traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present,