1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: It's the end of the week. Everybody, Happy Friday. It's 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: the twenty first of January. My name is Sam Kauzloski. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Joining me for our last podcast of this week and 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: to see in the weekend is co host Zara Sidler. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Zara. 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about the relocation of 7 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: a capital city in Asia. It's a pretty interesting story 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: and it has a lot to do with water. But 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: before we get there, Zara Whata is making headlines this morning. 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: We got the latest unemployment figures yesterday and the Australian 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 3: unemployment rate fell to four point two percent in December, 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: which is its lowest in more than thirteen years. Bjorn Jarvis, 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: who is the head of Labor Stats at the Australian 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: Bureau of Statistics, said that recovery in New South Wales 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: and Victoria continued to have a large influence on the 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: national figures, with employment in these two states increasing by 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 3: thirty twoenty and twenty five thousand people between November and December. 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 3: And just a heads up when you're reading these stats, 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: there is always a bit of a lag in the 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: data versus where we're at now, so we are expecting 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: to see the result of the latest outbreak next month's figures. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: The Therapeutic Goods Administration has provisionally approved the Novovak's COVID 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: nineteen vaccine no Djokovic jokes allowed, which will now require 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: final approval from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunization 25 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: and we know them as a TARGI. The TGA recommends 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: the vaccine is to be given in two doses and 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: administered three weeks apart. 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: During a press conference on Wednesday, US President Joe Biden 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 3: predicted Russia will invade Ukraine. Biden said, and I quote 30 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: his guess is that Russian President Vladimir Pudin will move 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: in on Ukraine, adding that Russia will be held accountable 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: if it invades. The Russian embassy in the US says 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 3: Russia is not going to attack anyone and has called 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: for an end to the hysteria and. 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: Today's good news. I am pretty obsessed with the Australian 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Open at the moment and it was amazing to see 37 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Australian wild cards Christopher O'Connell and Madison English both win 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: their respective matches in the second round of the Australian Open. 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: O'Connell won against thirteen, ced Diego Schwartzman and English Beat 40 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: American Hailey b teast to give you an idea by 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: making it to the second round. Even if they get 42 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: out in the third round. Now they still pocket about 43 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars each. 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: For today's deep dive, we are chatting about a topic 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 3: that I found really, really interesting, and honestly, it's something 46 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: I knew very little about. Indonesia announced a couple of 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: days ago that it had a new capital city. This 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: new capital city is called New Santara and it's going 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: to replace Jakarta. The city is located on the island 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: of Borneo, and the decision was made as the city 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: of Jakarta continues to sink. To give you a bit 52 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: of background into just how bad this sinking is and 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: why the move was made. According to the World Economic Forum, 54 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: Jakata is actually one of the fastest sinking cities on Earth. 55 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: It sits on swampy ground near the sea, and a 56 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: recent study by the National Research and Innovation Agency stated 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: that without aggressive effort, around twenty five five percent of 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: the capital's area would be submerged by twenty fifty So 59 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: just stop and think about that. Nearly a quarter of 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: the capital city of Jakata is expected to be underwater 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: if there isn't some major human intervention here, and that's 62 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: pretty remarkable. It's already happening too. North Jakarta has sunk 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: two point five meters in just ten years and is 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: continuing to sink by as much as twenty five centimeters 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: a year in some parts. 66 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: And do we know what's caused the submersion. 67 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: There are two parts to this. Jakarta, like many cities 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: in Pacific nations, is dealing with rising sea levels, and 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: that is something that climate change has exacerbated and sped up. 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: And strong surges, cyclones, and tides due to the changing 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: climate have added to the problems of these rising sea levels. 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: But that's not the only issue that is facing Jakarta. 73 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: Another issue in Jakarta is that there's restricted water access 74 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: in the city, so the majority of its some ten 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: million residents have to extract groundwater to survive and that's 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: causing the city to sink. 77 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: The idea of moving a capital city for more practical 78 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: locations and with changing conditions is not totally unprecedented. In 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, Egypt announced that they wouldn't be using Cairo 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: in the future as the capital. They established a new 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: administrative capital fifty kilometers outside the city. Its cost about 82 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: forty five billion dollars to set up and that is 83 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: an ongoing project. Palow in two thousand and six moved 84 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: their capital, Nigeria in nineteen ninety one moved their capital. 85 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: Even Belize in nineteen seventy moved their capital. So when 86 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: the Indonesian government tabled this idea in twenty nineteen, it 87 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: wasn't totally without precedent on the world stage. There were 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: a wide variety of reasons that these nations wanted to 89 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: move their capitals over the last fifty or sixty years. 90 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: It's clearly environmental in this case. So the bill was 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: approved by the House of Representatives on Tuesday local time, 92 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: only a couple of days ago, and it provides legal 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: framework for the relocation in Indonesia to go ahead. The 94 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: mover set to costs and estimated thirty two billion dollars 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: compared to the Egyptians. It's relatively cheap, still a lot 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: of money, and we're expecting the initial phase of relocation 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: to begin either sometime this year, but could be up 98 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four. 99 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: As we said at the top of this, the capital 100 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: city is being relocated to the island of Borneo, and 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: that for some is raising even more concerns. I spoke 102 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: to Alex Lehner, who's an associate professor of urban design 103 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: at Munas University's Indonesian campus. He had a fair bit 104 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: to say about what the implications of the move would 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: be on the biodiversity that exists currently on the island 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: of Borneo. Here's a short clip of Alex talking to 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: me yesterday. 108 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: I think a huge concern for relocating the capital in 109 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Borneo is firstly that Borneo is one of the most 110 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: important places globally for biodiversity. It rivals the Amazon in 111 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: terms of its importance for conservation. It's very underdeveloped the 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: island itself. Orneo has around fifty percent forest covered tropical forests, 113 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: relatively intact. They include some really critical charismatic megafauna such 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: as elephants such as orangutang, which people probably know about. 115 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: So it's a fantastic knower's arc of the types of 116 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: intact landscapes that existed on the Earth, you know, maybe 117 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: fifty maybe one hundred years ago. And there are not 118 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: many locations like this in the world left. 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: It's clear that there are some strong criticisms that are 120 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: being leveled at this move, and it's definitely not something 121 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: that will happen overnight. And it's certainly not something that 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: will happen overnight. As Sam said, the initial relocation is 123 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: expected to be in the next couple of years, but 124 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: no official time frame has been set and there are 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: a couple of phases still to go. 126 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: A bit of a different deep dive today. That is 127 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: an interesting concept. I've never really thought about the idea 128 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: of moving a capital city. If you'd like to move 129 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: it from Canberra, we can perhaps do a poll on 130 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: the page. I'm not sure how happy the Camberans will 131 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: be about that. Whilst you ponder that thought over the weekend, 132 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: make sure to relax and have a fantastic weekend. Keep 133 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: in touch with the news on the Daily oz over 134 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: on Instagram, and we'll speak to you on Monday morning.