1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of this 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: land that we record this podcast on and pay respects 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: to the elders, past, present and emerging. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: We must always remember that under the concrete and asphalt 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: that this land is, was, and always will be Aboriginal land. Hi, 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm Ruby, Hi, I'm Amanda. 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to its layered in studio, recorded in Malablle. Can 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: you believe that? I don't know how many times I 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: have to say that to believe they're recording in studio. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: Believe it, receive it, achieve it. That's a manta right 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: there for your day. Okay, That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Man, 12 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: So we've been having a blast like doing recording the special, 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: and we wanted to talk about the beauty of our blackness. 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the time we talk about 15 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: the struggles or the difficult parts about being black and 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: so on and so forth, but we also wanted to 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: celebrate ourselves and what it means to be black. But 18 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: before we do that, to get into the top, okay, okay, 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you am what you got. The 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: question is you know you're a black when so finish 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: the same. 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm cracking up. Okay, share when 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: you think you can twerk, But what about Minie Cyrus? 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: She learned to talk, Yeah she learnt, but we think 25 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: we can already, but I can't. Yeah, but no, but 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: you have this notion that you could, don't you or 27 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: at least that you can die. Okay that, yes, for sure, 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: that's true. If someone said, hey, you got no rhthm 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: oh hell, no, I'm black. 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: But I also know black people who can't. 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah a whole lot, girl. Even some dancers start out 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: like this a dance l some craakiness. 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true for me. I think you know you're 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: black when you can't disrespect your parents publicly. You know 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: you'll get a whooping if you try and pretend to 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 2: be like too cool for school. You know that those 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: things are like, there's a me more joke about. I 38 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: went to my white friend's house and they were like, 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 2: they shouted their mom, no, Sarah. 40 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: I won't do that. First child. 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: Oh god, it's like never. And then you tried at home. 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: We've spoken about me slamming the door on my parents. 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: It's still a life. 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Loveing mom and dad, please don't pay back me. 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you you know you're black 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: when nothing is yours? Everything has to be shared, like 48 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: your bedroom when yous come. 49 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: Like, why am I on the floor in my own room? 50 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: I think I definitely you know your zimbol. But yeah, definitely, 51 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: I think you know you're black when you open the 52 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: fridge thinking there's ice cream inkid oh, it's like they 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: repurpose and stored like leftovers. Brou the heartache, the heart 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: ache so savage. 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: I think I still if I still see like a 56 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: vanilla or ice cream, but container just assumed there's like 57 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: beans or something inside exactly, not ice cream. 58 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I was saying, like we've been 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: recycling before. Recycling was a thing. 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Very purpose that I think you know you're black when yeah, 61 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: you can't speak back to elders, you can't say your 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: actual thoughts. Yep, we're muscled on another less just keep it. 63 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: To yourself in your own head. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: There's so many things. Do you guys feel free to 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: comment and let us know you know you're black when? 66 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Because I feel like there are so many But I 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: guess leading into the meat of this topic, what is 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: blackness to you? Like, what what the hell are we 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: talking about when you say the beating in our blackness? 70 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: What is blackness? 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: I guess obviously the actually being black, But more importantly, 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: I think it's just like realizing that due to a 73 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: lot of different things, we are in some ways a 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: marginalized part of society, especially in diaspora, but we're also 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: a revered part of society. Like a lot of people. 76 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people use us as reference points. Whether 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: they want to credit, they really do, but but it's 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: like a lot of I think for me anyway, that's 79 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: how I see it, that we're quite influential without meaning 80 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: to be like what's TikTok without all these training dancers 81 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: and yeah, I guess particularly in that space African American experience. 82 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: But still even right now music afrobeats is having a moment. Yeah, 83 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that's undeniable. So I suppose we've always had. If you 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: look at music, even history, like rock and roll, even 85 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: the blues, all that stuff is rootted in blackness for sure. 86 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: So I think we're so we are influential. Yeah, we 87 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: leave our mark, but we also allow space for others. 88 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: Yes, we're nurturing, welcoming, I feel because we know. 89 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: What it's like to be ostracized, so we're like, because 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: we know that, we can then hold space for you definitely. 91 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: And I think I was as you were speaking, I 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: was wondering, can we agree there's one universal term for blackness? 93 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: And I think it's we can generalize and say there is, 94 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: but really obviously there's different kinds of blackness, like a 95 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: black Britge is different to black Colombian, different to you know, 96 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: like there's so many. Yeah, but on a whole I 97 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: think for me, blackness I refer to as like what 98 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: we bring to the table on a global scale. 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: Also, yeah, they say black people create culture often torot 100 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: to as the culture on the INTERWEP. 101 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: Yes, do you agree on thousand percent? You already said it. 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: I think you know the corn rows people, you know, 103 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: the Kim Kardashians doing cornrows wouldn't have done It came 104 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: from blackness. And the crazy thing is when you actually 105 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: know the root of cornrows, how slaves used to do that, 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: to to put pathways, yeah, and seeds in their hair 107 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: for when they were being transported so that they could 108 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: continue their food, you know, when they were So when 109 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 2: you know the history just like Kim K, what do 110 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: you know about slavery? But anyway, have been. 111 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: Coming for I also want to do celebrate. 112 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: I do also like like it, but you know, I'm objective, okay, 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think definitely that's the culture. Music, dance, 114 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, art, food, There's so many elements of what 115 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: we contribute to culture. 116 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think also having said that, we have 117 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: to give a lot of credit to African Americans, yes, 118 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: because I think they've pushed the envelope in what is 119 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: deemed to be black, yes, and then worldwide obviously with 120 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the push of America and media, it's like this, you know, 121 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: this dance that we do, like they're influenced by Africa, 122 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: influenced by other black people over the world, but the 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: reference point always tends to be African American lens. And 124 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: I think if we'll say the culture, yes, they are 125 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: actually probably referring more to an African American experience. Definitely, 126 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: not to minimize what other but I think there's a 127 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: huge A lot of times it's Africans who complain like ah, 128 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: but or like, you know, you guys make fun of us. 129 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: But I think we also have to realize that they've 130 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: also pushed for. 131 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: Us the envelope. Yes, especially in a world coming from 132 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: a world where you know, America has a strong position 133 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: in media, and so they've represented us, I guess blackness 134 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: well in those spaces, or tried to represent black pass well. 135 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: So what are some of the things that black people 136 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: created or that we say black people pioneered, that you 137 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: love or would like to celebrate. 138 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: Oh, where do I start? 139 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 140 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean music is obviously something just touched on. I 141 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: think for me that's probably it, because I think for 142 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: we spoke about how music is something we can't live without. Yes, 143 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: and I think just from us singing even in choirs, 144 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: singing as in churches all the way to like you know, 145 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: huge productions and studios such as this one. Yes, it's 146 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: like we've had our finger on the pulse when it 147 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: comes to what people listen to, you know, Order Trey, Yes, 148 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: yeah's you know, I just find that I don't know, 149 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: it's it's everyone takes their piece of music and you know, 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: makes it their own, but it's all rooted somehow somewhere 151 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: along the line in blackness. 152 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: For sure. You feel as you mentioned Elvis Presley, you know, 153 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: the rock and roll Beach Boys, all these people the 154 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: influence of that. I agree with music. I also think 155 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: in fashion. Remember we watched Next in Fashion and we 156 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: watched this season with actually Zimbabwe and born Fara Samoy 157 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: and she was talking about her and her partner in 158 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: the competition. We're talking about the streetwear and you know 159 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: things like rock Away and Boo Hoo boo and all 160 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: that and how that really influenced, you know, culture and 161 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: how for example, breakdancing helped like really propel editors and 162 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: then so on and so forth. If you look at 163 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, what he did with Nike, Yeah, so many 164 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: elements that have influenced and still to this day influence 165 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: how we dress. And Aliyah giving us the nineties low 166 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: cut genes and whatnot that still lives on to this day. 167 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: So definitely, so many elements. And then now we're seeing 168 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: this pride, African pride and how we dress, and that's 169 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: I think we need to credit West Africa a lot 170 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: Nigerians Ganans for being proudly you know, preserving their culture 171 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: and their dress so that you know, we too a 172 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: Zimbabwe two we often speak about diluted a lot of 173 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: our culture can now still feel good and proud about that. 174 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: Because they're definitely proud like traditional where everything. Yes, so 175 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: it's very different from us, I think, and we've adopted that. 176 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: I remember even actual we all wore like traditional. But 177 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: then is that even traditional to zim No, not. 178 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: African and African exactly. But I think there's so much 179 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: you know, we have if you've watched Hidden Figures, about 180 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: the influence of I forget their names in NASA and 181 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: how mathematically they impacted that sport. I mean, if you 182 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: look at athletes, it's all based off the power and 183 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: strength of I guess the slaves that were traded the strongest, 184 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: the fastest, who traded off to the US. If you 185 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: look at food, so I. 186 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: Just feel about seasoning. You know, there's alway those jokes 187 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: on TikTok about not seasoning your food. 188 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: Probably no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So there's so 189 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: many elements of it. 190 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you probably already mentioned it. But what 191 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: do you think it is about black people that makes 192 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: us beautiful? 193 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: I think you actually touched on it, which is just 194 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: our grace and giving enough space for others. Even though 195 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: we go through a lot, we're still able to welcome 196 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: and I think that's part of what made us get 197 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,479 Speaker 2: colonized by the way, yeah, miss that nice guy exactly, 198 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: not me coming back to colonization and like turning. But yeah, 199 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: that being willing and willing to share ourselves and our 200 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: culture and being communal oriented. I think that's just yeah, 201 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: one of the beautiful things about us. Of course we 202 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: can go on a physical our skin, our beauty, how 203 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: youthful we can look even as we grow older. Just 204 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: our style and our pride in how we look. I 205 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: don't know our languages, our. 206 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: I think if you look, especially when you talked about 207 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: the nurturing aspect of us, I think I remember like 208 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: even during slavery, they had a lot of nurses. I mean, 209 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: like what do they call night nurses? Like for the 210 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: kids kids were raised by the help, you know, the 211 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: help tended to be black. And I think that that 212 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: notion still happens even if you look at Zimbabwe with 213 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: the same setup, yes, where it's like we could always 214 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: rely on our our mother's yes to hold us up, 215 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, no matter if they're suffering and going through 216 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: your lot. And I think that permeates and how we 217 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: are with other races and how we interact with other races. 218 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of prank videos. I see 219 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: it a lot of times, it's Black people who actually 220 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: step in and say something. You know, something means happenings. 221 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: I think we've felt so imaginalized that we're always looking 222 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: out for And there's not a bashing of other races 223 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: in any respect. It's just us taking time. 224 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: To acknowledge, acknowledge and take. 225 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: A pat on the back of our ancestors that have come, 226 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, and impact us and we stand on the 227 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: shoulders of today. 228 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: And also resilience. I think that's one of the beautiful 229 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: things about us that we stood the test of time 230 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: in spite of all these things and we and we 231 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: are not embittered. Well, obviously there's some people who are. 232 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 2: There's a generalization, but I think that is testament to 233 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: just who we are is in spite of we still 234 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: are giving and loving and not. Yeah, that's resilience and 235 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: it's really really amazing to even think about. But how 236 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: do we as black people maintain our beauty in spite 237 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: of our suffering? So we've talked about resilience and how 238 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: do we actually do that in spite of suffer bring, 239 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: alienation and oppression? What do you think it is. 240 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: I think we do have a spirit of don't care, okay, 241 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: the spirit of confidence, yeah, the spirit of being comfortable 242 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: with the space we're in. I find like there's nothing 243 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: worse than coming from a styling point of view then 244 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: walking into a shop and all the clothes are to 245 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: not your size because you've got ass and or hips. 246 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: So because you operate always as added, always as left out, 247 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: you then almost kind of build the stick skin, this 248 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: confidence where it's like, well, they really don't have space 249 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: for me, so I got to fit in or or 250 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: at least, you know, push myself in, otherwise I'm not there. 251 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm not considered at all. And I think when you 252 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: always operate like that, it builds this muscle where you're like, well, 253 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: I can face anything. And I guess that's the resilience 254 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: that you're talking of. But I think that does hold 255 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: us well, especially when you move away from our homes. 256 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: A lot of us are not living where we were 257 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: raised or where we were actually from because of economic reasons, 258 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times economic, so we just always look 259 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: back home as a reference. And this podcast is certainly 260 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: rooted in that. 261 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: Definitely, that aspect definitely, and I think it's telling our 262 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: stories too. I remember growing up my grandma would tell 263 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: us Gulo's stories and you know, yeah, and things like that. 264 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: Like that also verbally right, we're very much like we 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: orators passed it on, you know, things like that. And 266 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: I think we also maintained religion as much as we 267 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: spoke about religion and some of the limitations of it. Forgiveness, 268 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: I think is a big part of blackness, and that's 269 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: what enables us to keep going and not be bitter 270 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: and like we we really hold on too religion sometimes 271 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: our detriment, but I think sometimes it also helps us 272 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: to forgive so we can keep on, you know, not 273 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: hold on to the baggage so much, so we can 274 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: actually keep going because imagine if we're just like all 275 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: the hate just festering, you know. 276 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, even think of South Africa where you lived 277 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: for a while. Yes, it's like, how do you move 278 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: past aparthid? Do you know? And ninety four is not 279 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: when you think of historically, ninety four is not that 280 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: long ago at all, and those people are still living 281 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: today in some sort of society together. Yeah, you know, 282 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: so it does take a lot of forgiveness to move 283 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: past those atrocities. So yeah, it's a commendable thing, but 284 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: it does have its drawbacks, like are we too forgiving? 285 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: I think so are we too just like. 286 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: Ah well, I mean life, Yeah, it happens. Or make 287 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: it work becau Zimbabweans does make it work. Mentality, A 288 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, why didn't you protest when 289 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: you're under dictatorship? Yes, you know why. You can't stand 290 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: for that. You might have to take arms, you might 291 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: have to bleed on the streets to free yourselves under 292 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: that oppression, but we chose to just be. 293 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: Like, get that work, get out. I think also to 294 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: dance and music. As we've said, we sing and dance 295 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: when we're happy, we sing and dance when we're sad 296 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: at funerals and things like that. I think that's also 297 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: what's carried us. We've already spoken about music, but I'm 298 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: talking about it in kind of like the traditional way. 299 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: I think that being moving your body. You know, they 300 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: talk about it if you want to let go of 301 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: stress or anxiety, to move your body, not just physically 302 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: like running or exercising, but also dancing and singing. And 303 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: I think it's a part of who we are and 304 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: I think it helps us to release a lot of 305 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: the baggage and the way. My mom always used to 306 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: say that she thinks Black Americans can sing incredibly well 307 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: because they suffered so much and singing was the only 308 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: way to release a lot of that pent up frustration 309 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: and hurt, and so they really just she specifically it 310 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: was referring to gospel music and how you know they 311 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: really like a lot of artists come from gospel mute. 312 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: A lot of them, you know, grew up with that culture. Yes, yeah, yeah, 313 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: that's where they hold their voice. Even told they could sing, yes, 314 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: because at the young ages they were leading choirs, you know. Yeah, 315 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean one of the common elements that you think 316 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: can be found in most black cultures or households, you know, 317 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: growing up black. 318 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 2: I think it's the whole listen to your elders. Respect 319 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: the elders at all costs. 320 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 1: It's all costs, even if they're wrong, even if if 321 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: even this wasn't the e pedophile, We're not all got 322 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: to like work our way around him in the family. 323 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: Just stay away from that, stay away from him. 324 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe he shouldn't be here exposed, YEA like 325 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: to leave us be definitely, I think that respect elements. 326 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: I think that not being able to be yourself just 327 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: like having a piece of you hidden. 328 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. Do you also think us 329 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: like trying to overachieve? You know, Nigerians are now known 330 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: I think in the mayor can I and I'm Americans. 331 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: They're being seen as they're the ones who in the 332 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: next generation are going to be a lot of doctors 333 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: and stuff are coming from that background. 334 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: Yes. 335 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: Do you think it's just because we're just also trying 336 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: to make up, may up for lost time, the pressure, 337 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: the pressure, Yes. 338 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I think definitely it's about you. You have to 339 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: be super educated, you have to be you know, keep learning, 340 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: keep achievement, achieve, achieve, achieve a chief. I think that's 341 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: probably universal, having to deal with bearing parts of yourself 342 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: so as to meet the requirements and demands of your 343 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: parents and society and the burden of that. Yes, we're 344 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: talking about this too so many times before. 345 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, yeah, come back before dark growing 346 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: up black as well. 347 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: Definitely staying out of don't go to the neighbors. What 348 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: don't ask for like when you go visit your friends 349 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: or whatever. Don't ask for like water, juice, don't open 350 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: the fridge. 351 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: Don't eat it's someone out of the house. 352 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you see other kids just going to 353 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: another person's. 354 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Fridge, you cannot be doing that. 355 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: No, no, no, can not be done. Like who are you? 356 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: Do you think that people undermine are beauty as black people. 357 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: That they under mine? 358 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: Yes, maybe not giving credit where it's you, Yeah, I 359 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: think so. 360 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's also lack of documentation. Yes, so 361 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: see people call like what are the bow Derek braids? 362 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: Which were where Kim then said she got an inspiration 363 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: for corn Rows because I think she was bo Derek 364 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: was on like a Bond movie in the sixties and 365 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: she was a Bond girl, one of the one of 366 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: the quintessential Bond girls. Probably have seen her. And then 367 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: she had like beads coming out of the water ocean 368 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: and I think Helen Barry recreated her scene. And it's 369 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: like that where it's like, because we have lack of documentation, 370 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: it's easier to it's easier to feel in spir yes, 371 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: and they're not credit. Yes, you see it on TikTok 372 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: all the time. I think they had what the girl 373 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: who everyone knows on TikTok the I forgot name now 374 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 1: and she went on Jimmy Fallon and she did all 375 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: the dances and they were like, no, Jimmy Fallon, these 376 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: are not she didn't come up. These are trends that 377 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: are on TikTok and you need to actually call the 378 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: original people that were predominantly African American. And it's like 379 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: that where it's like, because we don't document our staff, 380 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: it's open season, and then putting responsibility on the other 381 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: person to do their research and then you know, credit. 382 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: But we also need to be a bit more like protective. 383 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: I guess yes about it, which I guess we're learning now. 384 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: We're becoming more and more like, okay, what's in this 385 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: for me, which hasn't typically been the way we've approached things. 386 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so right, that thing of talent. I was 387 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: talking about my grandma telling stories to us, you know, yeah, 388 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: but never writing. She never wrote down like this is 389 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: the story of Tunagulo or what was the other one? 390 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: I forget the story, but like it's all I'd have 391 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: to ask my mom and she's, you know, we don't document, 392 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: and I remember, you know, we've spoken about family trees 393 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: and me saying okay, I think we need to put 394 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: together family tree. But otherwise you're just like living like 395 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what my great grand great great grandparents 396 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: parent was, who it was, what they did, So yeah, 397 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: not documenting enough for sure. 398 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: Do you think we ourselves under mine our own blackness 399 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: as black people? 400 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: Yes, And I think it is by virtue of wanting 401 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: to be accepted, because sometimes our blackness is a bit 402 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: too strange or so wanting to assimilate, so then we 403 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: sometimes shun our blackness trying to be more closer to 404 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: what Yes, exactly, and I think too we don't appreciate 405 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: the beauty of what we do. We speak a lot 406 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: about the creative industry in Zababwe and for example, the 407 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: sculptors who sell their works on the side of the 408 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: road and how people don't really appreciate it's not really 409 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: in a lot of museums or galleries. Yeah yeah, yeah, 410 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: But had we been European, you know, we would document, 411 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: we would you know, value it be priceless things like that. 412 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: But then it's like, oh, the creative industry doesn't it's 413 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: not an industry. It doesn't work, you know. 414 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: It's not over exposure of talent though, like you know, 415 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: in your family, if all of you can sing, it's 416 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: Whitney really gonna, you know, stand out? 417 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 418 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: Or is it like you know, when you get like 419 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: the Braxton family or Jackson family and all of them sing. 420 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: Do you think it comes from that? Where do you 421 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: think it comes from us trying to? So? 422 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean you were joking about, Oh I would sing? 423 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: If you know Rumby, why don't you sing? But it's 424 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: like I feel like everyone can sing, right, So I 425 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: think there's an element of that for sure. But I 426 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: also think of it being so common again, I guess commonplace. 427 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: So then it's like there's no real value, but also 428 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: as valuing professions or things that's seen esteemed in some 429 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: degree but not necessarily a core part of who we are, Okay, 430 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: I see. And so it's a catch twenty two. And 431 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: I think sometimes that all white is right and black 432 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: is whack. You can hear rhymes element of it all 433 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: and self and self hate, like self hate is a 434 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: part of it due to many reasons which we've spoken about. 435 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: We tied it all back to colonialism. Don't we somehow 436 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: find our way? It's therefore back. 437 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: Pay reparations, reparations, Yeah. 438 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: I think because for so long we're told we're not 439 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: good enough. Yes, that now we almost believe it into it. Yeah, 440 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: and then if you I mean, one of the things 441 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: I love about going to South Africa is seeing black 442 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: people on billboards. Oh yeah, because it's such a and 443 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: we talked about in our privilege episode. We didn't really 444 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: talk about that, like seeing ourselves everywhere as a privilege, 445 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: yes or not? Right, And when you live in a 446 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: country like this where it's like they're proudly Australian, but 447 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: that's also proudly one version of Australian. I mean, there's 448 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: First Nations people here too. They should be on billboards 449 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: just as much, but it's that they catering to a 450 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: certain demographic, certain market. And then it becomes okay, where's 451 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: your people want to have blonde hair, they want to 452 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: have like contacts in because they you know, they want 453 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: to align themselves with whiteness, because that's what they see 454 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: and that's what's being perceived. As you know, in my 455 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: ideal world, if I had to create a world and 456 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: want everyone to be seen equally, and thus the world 457 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: is mixed, yeah, you know, everyone sees everyone, everyone sees everything. Yeah, 458 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: but like in this scenario where it's like you have 459 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: to be a certain body shape, certain to look a 460 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: certain hair color, eye color. Then it becomes if you're 461 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: not that, you're either going to resent it or you're 462 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: going to try and become met There's only two options 463 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: for you. 464 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 2: Right, But when your hips ain't fitting and then jeans, girl, 465 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: what you're gonna do? We're leggings. Would you ever consider 466 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: or want to be anything but black, even just for 467 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: a day. 468 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Oh, you know, it's quite sad that I've actually stopped 469 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: to answer that, right, Yeah, I just meant to be, 470 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: oh well, love being black. I think I would want 471 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: to be a white guy named Paul. 472 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but just around with that energy 473 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: so people aren't judging, respect, respect my name as soon 474 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: as how white guy and still get like excellent results. 475 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: That's what I really think. 476 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: That's what I would love to experience. Just how does 477 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: it feel like? Because if I'm too confident, I'm bitchy. Yeah, 478 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: if I'm too quiet, I'm meek, I don't know anything, 479 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: or I'm dumb. If I'm too like everything, I'm too 480 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: And if you move all those twos and you soften 481 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: yourself up, who are you? You've lost that quirk that 482 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: makes you that person. 483 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: That's true. 484 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: So sometimes I'm like, what does it feel to be average? Yeah? 485 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: I still have the cornfeet. 486 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: I still have people be like, who are talented? Come on, 487 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: that's I'm just talking about the general Joe who can 488 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: still somebody you know, revered or think of himself as 489 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: I forgot. 490 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: It, I got it, I'm the ish. Yeah, what do 491 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 2: you think? I definitely just one day. I'm not forever, 492 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: because I also like my rhythm and you know, I 493 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: like my hair. There's a lot I like about myself. 494 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: I like my hair, like you know, But just to 495 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 2: be like, wow, how the other whatever? Fifty percent said. 496 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: Tying it back to the Bobby movie when Ken left 497 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: Barbie Land and it's like. 498 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: Oh, life like this, It's good. Good. I'd love to 499 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: experience that for a day. But then I think, like 500 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: we offer so much, And I think part of the 501 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: journey of life is to embrace all of you and 502 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: to love being you, because there's no point wishing to 503 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: be what you're not. Yeah, because you're denying a part 504 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: of yourself. So I think I've worked too hard to 505 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: embrace myself and appreciate myself to just be like, oh, yeah, 506 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: I take it. 507 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think I would only like it in 508 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: spaces where decisions have to be made. Yes. So like 509 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you saw Beyonce on the Renaissance movie 510 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: spoiler a lot, but she pretty much wants certain lighting 511 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: or certain fish eye camera. Yeah, and they're like, you 512 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: don't have you don't have it. You know, that's the 513 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: widest we've got yet. I used Google and obviously don't 514 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: want to Beyonce. So you know, there is access to money, 515 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: there's access to It's not like they can turn around 516 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: and say, oh, you can't afford it. Yes, we decided 517 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: for you know. Then they're like, oh, yeah, it is there. 518 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: Like usually their response was oh yeah, So either they're 519 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: trying to fuller it and make it seem more too lazy. 520 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: They assumed she didn't know what she was talking about. 521 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: But whatever the situation was made me think had that 522 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: conversation happened with the assistant assistant assistant assistant of the director, 523 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: who's a white guy, then it would have been fine. 524 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, even if it was just someone who has 525 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: no experience, they would have been like, oh, he knows 526 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. But it was just Beyonce and 527 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: it's still making a question. 528 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: When I saw that, I was like, it's late for me. 529 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: What a good luck? 530 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: So I think I would love it when it's like 531 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: decision making time, because then the respect would be there, 532 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: the being able to just say what I want to 533 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: say in mind and not be judged yes. 534 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: Or definitely accused or not? 535 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Should I keep quiet or should I 536 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: push in this space and then keep quiet on that one? 537 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: I can't push on every angle again, bringing back to succession, 538 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: just because I've been that dad whatever it was the 539 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: name logan, Oh my gosh, Like he feels like he 540 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: deserves the world and to have his cake eat it 541 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: too and then yours and nobody can tell him nothing. 542 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: And that's kind of I'm about bad life just for 543 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: a day, because I think you also need to be nice, 544 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: just to be nice. 545 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it about blackness that you feel then 546 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: intimidates other races? If there is? 547 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: I think we have that source cuf flavor, we have 548 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: that thing that she can't put your finger on. It's 549 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: the X factor that it thing. So it's like, how 550 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: come you get to have that and I don't? And 551 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: that's why they try to emulate us Maley cyrus. 552 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: That you're talking to someone specific. 553 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: So that's why they try to emulate or to be it, 554 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: because it's like but they do it, but they still 555 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: can't do it, like how we do? You know what 556 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: I mean? And I think that's why people struggle to 557 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: embrace and I think, yeah, for fear of being what's 558 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 2: the word not washed out, but like being made redundant? 559 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, again, you have to keep yourself relevant. 560 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fact that we've been able to stay 561 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: relevant and you know, push boundaries in spite of all 562 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: the oppression. 563 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: If we were allowed to be our full self Yoko your. 564 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: World watch it. I don't think they would have been 565 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: able to handle it. 566 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: But don't you think and this is plain Devil's advocate 567 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: that they could, you know, especially like let's say, for example, 568 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: white people can think the same thing about us trying 569 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: to emulate them, you know, the wearing of context to 570 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: have different color eyes. Okay, but a problematic my waves 571 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: sammaring a weave today like that type of vibe that okay, 572 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: but then if you're so proud, why can't you just 573 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: because you guys didn't let us sorry, Yeah, exactly, if 574 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: I wear my AFRO at work, it'll be condeemed, it'd 575 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: be deem unprofessional. Yes, so because you do that, then 576 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm forced. 577 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: To Yeah, you guys said it a lie that we 578 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: are made to not fully embrace all of us. Sorry, 579 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give them that. 580 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: I like, no, you tried, but no, I think the 581 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: loudness is intimidating. We're typically like we spoke about going 582 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: back to our first episode of the special, how you 583 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: think you're an intro of it? And I said, if 584 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know you, I would probably think, oh my gosh, 585 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: it's very loud, it's confident. So those things can be 586 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: seen I think by other races to be intimidating, you know, 587 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: like we don't know. We also don't respect space because 588 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: our culture doesn't respect. 589 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: Space online, especially bubwins. We take over and I'm like 590 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: relaxed at of thing is like people marrying due to 591 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 2: different cultures. They expect you to just adopt the Zimbabwean culture. 592 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: I had to do fifty five to remind me, like, 593 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: there's a whole other person with a whole other culture. 594 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: Can we respect just assume yours is the one to 595 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: be revered and followed too, confy. 596 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 2: So now we're too confy, even in the oppression where 597 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: too CONFI imagine if we were up a last time, 598 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's too much. I feel like calm down. 599 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: Like Rama said, what would you say to a young 600 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: black person trying to find the beauty in their blackness 601 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: in the madness of our world? What would you say? 602 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: I would say, don't compare yourself. There's no other you. Yeah, like, 603 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: I think that's quite important to you. Want to fit in, 604 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: of course, but don't fit into the point where it's 605 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: like you're not you. Yeah, Celebrate those parts of you. 606 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: Educate those parts of you. You know, sometimes people just 607 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: shun or seem like they're not interest because they don't know. 608 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: We're all waiting to be exposed to things. I know. 609 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: When I first moved to Australia, Asian culture was a 610 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: whole big exposure for me as well, because at home 611 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: was just everyone's Asian Chinese. You know, it is Chinese, Like, no, 612 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: there's this whole continent that's not just so I think, 613 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: like it took a lot of education for me, took 614 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: a lot of interest, took a lot of for me 615 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: to be like to peel away and understand the culture, 616 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of times people just look 617 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: at its surface level. Yes, and I think I'll say 618 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: advice to people who feel misunderstood and sometimes maybe stop 619 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: it sucks. You have to be always in an education 620 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: but when you are a minority, obviously some part of 621 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: you might always have to stay in that learning or 622 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: educating space, just so that people when they interact with 623 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: you can walk away better for it. They understand the 624 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: nuances within blackness. Whereas if you just do everything to 625 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: fit in and lose yourself, you're not benefiting what got 626 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: you there to begin with. 627 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: True, and you also have to be the bigger person, 628 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: which is like her saying learning It's like why can't 629 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 2: people learn about me? But it's just unfortunately the way 630 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: the world is wired. But also learning, think of learning 631 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: for your benefit as a man that has said, I 632 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 2: think also finding your community that helps you believe in 633 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: and celebrate who you are, especially when you are a 634 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: minority or away from home, or find a community even 635 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: who you follow on social media. Find community that feeds 636 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 2: you to feel like, okay, I see myself. That's how 637 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: you talk about representations. So kids of today, gen Zas, 638 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: you're so lucky to grow up in a world where 639 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: you can see people who look like you in so 640 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 2: many spaces. When we grew up, we had magazines and 641 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 2: never it's just like it was whitewashed. 642 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: That's why Naomi Cumbll is like a mother because we're 643 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: like even people tell stories about her being a devout 644 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: better Saomi untouchable because she was the first supermodel we 645 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: saw on ad campaign. 646 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: Worldwide exactly, so in dark skin exactly. But now you 647 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 2: can really curate your feed to feed you and encourage you. Yeah, 648 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: and you know it helps you also develop a level 649 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 2: of like, Okay, I'm not the only one. 650 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 651 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 2: And I think truly your difference is something to celebrate 652 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 2: because in a way you can bring to the table 653 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: something people don't have that's special. Yeah, it is, it is, Yeah, 654 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 2: it definitely is. Yeah. 655 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you want the world to know or 656 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: change their predudices about blackness? 657 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: I would love the world not to be so afraid 658 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: of it. It's not contagious. You're not gonna touch me 659 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: and get black. I don't know, there's no other way 660 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 2: to put it. It's it's And one thing I really 661 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 2: want the world to know is we are just human, 662 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: like you. 663 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that part. 664 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: We're just we feel the same. We cry like you, 665 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: we're scared like you. We we're happy like you. We 666 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: literally how you feel. 667 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: We have the same. 668 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: We're not We're not an animal. We're not like monkeys. 669 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: We're not. It's just we're just humans, just like you, 670 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: with the exact same emotions, feelings, and we're just asking 671 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 2: for a room to be alive and just respect. 672 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, now if I agree with you, co sign. 673 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: And I also think I would just add on to 674 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: say that we're not here for other people's entertainment. Say, 675 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: I hate it when people are like, oh my gosh, 676 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: you got some Yeah, go girl, and it's like stop, 677 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: like teach me how to tour it. That's African American. 678 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: I'm not even African American. I don't speak like that. 679 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: And even if I do this, my choice, like it's 680 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 1: just don't walk around assuming you know a lot and 681 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: then putting those assumptions onto me. Blackness is very nuanced. 682 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: You first nations, black person, me, African, African American, you know, Latina, 683 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: all these different we're all the same way. You can 684 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: assume someone from Finland and someone from Australia might not 685 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: be same for same. It's the same way we operate too. 686 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: So I think sometimes it's like you're black and it's 687 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: like one one color one, whereas we know in whiteness 688 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: or even sometimes even in Asian culture, you give space 689 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: for different versions. And I would like to see that more. 690 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: I think, not just painted with the one rush rush. 691 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 2: You can get a black person who loves rock music 692 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 2: and hates R and B. You can get someone. There's 693 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: just so many varieties. And you know, as we always say, 694 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 2: Africa is not a country. Yell, it's not the same. 695 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. 696 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 2: Just because you met doesn't mean I know them, or 697 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 2: you know a Kenyon doesn't mean I know, Like yeah, 698 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 2: definitely that one's educate yourself. I think the basis of 699 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 2: our podcast is we like education, Edie. The end of 700 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: the day, it's laid and educations really truly, madly, deeply 701 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 2: do Okay, But yeah, I hope you enjoy this. I 702 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 2: think I just yeah, celebrate us and you know who 703 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 2: we are. Even though I feel like we do a 704 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: lot of the times call ourselves out, people out for 705 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 2: the things we do, we also love it too crazy 706 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 2: to be black, to be who we are. Crazy though, 707 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: when we're in high school, we didn't really fox with ourselves. 708 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: Like a lot of our culture that we need, we 709 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: need therapy over those high school we were actually found 710 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: that when I was in high school predominantly white school, 711 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: that I that I learned how to operate and I 712 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: use those same skills now that I'm in Australia. But 713 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: the the like handleff with that was there. Now, I 714 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: don't know how to operate in my own space, you know, 715 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's what I've also started learning, like 716 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: how to be around my own people as well. It's 717 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: great to have exposure, but not to the point where 718 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: you strips you of you. 719 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and learning to keep quiet. I used to struggle. 720 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: I to be like oh hell, and my family said 721 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: what now what Sometimes you just need to be like sure, 722 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 2: okay and not do it. I don't know. It's really 723 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: like someone's just like, yeah, whatever, you know, but it's true, 724 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: it's true, It's very true. 725 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: What have you loved about this special room? 726 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 2: Be being here when you yeah, like in life in 727 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 2: the flesh, I think just seeing us what we could 728 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 2: be if we weren't long distance. It's always like you know, 729 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: a double edged sword, like the basis of this podcast, 730 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 2: which is our friendship, which is being long distance, so 731 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 2: you get a taste of like, oh, what life would 732 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 2: be like if we were closer, But definitely grateful to 733 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 2: have this, to have it in this setup, the team 734 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: helping us, you know, who have been so lovely. I think, yeah, 735 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: it's just been like such a special moment. As I said, 736 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 2: it's something I'd love to tell my future kids, God 737 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 2: willing that we managed to. 738 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a special moment in time. Yeah, and for 739 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: you have love that we've taken time to do this 740 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: and elevated as Yeah, because we're in a studio, child, 741 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: let me come out. 742 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 2: It's different from. 743 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: Our laptop on zoom, like, it's a different und. 744 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 2: We go back. Guys, please don't hit us. 745 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I want to. 746 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: Go back to a little bit little people. 747 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: This is a special that's why, because it's special. 748 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't hit on that. 749 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to get on your zoom literally, but like, yeah, 750 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,879 Speaker 1: I think it's just that we did acknowledge that, okay, 751 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: and we need to do something a bit special for 752 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: our listeners, for ourselves, for ourselves, for the culture, as 753 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: we're saying. So I really really appreciate you being on 754 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: board with us, our listeners and be coming on board 755 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: and plane literally to fly into Melbourne. It's been such 756 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: a treasure having you here. 757 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 2: Thank you and thanks for having me Melbusie. But you know, 758 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 2: in my head just remake a room bis. Yeah but no, 759 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 2: thank you so much. We hope you've enjoyed this little treat. 760 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: Rate us refuge all. 761 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 2: The things like and subside, follow us all the things 762 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 2: as we have to say. And yeah, thanks am for 763 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 2: having a treatise. 764 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: Too many more bom bom bom, boom boom 765 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 2: By everybody.