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Speaker 1: Well, we are absolutely thrilled to welcome to the studio

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Speaker 1: for the first time the opposition leader, Liberal Leader Peter Dutton.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, great to be here with you guys. Thank

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Speaker 1: Thanks for popping in during your quick trip to Berth.

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Speaker 3: What brings you to w A, Well, we're off to.

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Speaker 2: The Other All show.

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Speaker 4: We've got a few meetings and I was to stay

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Speaker 4: overnight and go to the police memorial function tomorrow, but

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Speaker 4: I've got a funeral in Sydney something back on the

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Speaker 4: Red Eye and back over here in the next couple

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Speaker 2: So great time of year. The weather's been spectacular.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get a couple of Birdie beetle.

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Speaker 5: Bags meetings on the wild Mouse, do you Peter anything?

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Speaker 5: I just think that grab Trotton, Yeah, that would be

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Speaker 5: a great photo.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think you can restrict yourself though, to

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Speaker 4: the Birdie beetle that's as you not much. You've got

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Speaker 4: the Fredo bag and the rest anything chocolate, I'm up

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Speaker 4: for it, but certainly a Berti beetle bag. And I'm

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Speaker 4: the oldest of five kids, so from memory, all our family,

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Speaker 4: all my parents could afford back in the day, so

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Speaker 4: it used to be a few fights over that's all right,

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Speaker 4: the last Birdie beetle coming out.

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Speaker 1: To get Bertie at the show. Now, that's why there

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Speaker 1: was a short. Yeah, smart marketing ploy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 5: But Peter, despite inflation, Bertie beetle bag only five bucks. Still,

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Speaker 5: it's pretty good, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good value.

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Speaker 1: They range in price from about five bucks to like

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty birty beetle bag, which is Birdie

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Speaker 1: beetles for the life, for the whole year, like a

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Speaker 1: lifetime supply. But anyway, so let's talk election date. What

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Speaker 1: kind of date ballpark are we?

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Speaker 3: You know? Looking at good question?

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Speaker 2: I speak.

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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister is waiting to see when interest rates

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Speaker 4: There's uncertainly about employment now, so the economists talk about

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Speaker 4: December seven spoken about but I think it's more likely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 5: Were a little bit more optimism from the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 1: So you would agree that cost of lifting issues is

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Speaker 1: the number one thing facing the average Australian right now.

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Speaker 1: That will be your focus when the campaign proper starts early.

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Speaker 4: I mean as you move around speak to people, you

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Speaker 2: Feedback.

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Speaker 4: People are going to the IgA or coals and wallies

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Speaker 2: Pay the bill.

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Speaker 4: Insurances up and as I say, interest rates have gone

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Speaker 4: Interest rates would come down by Christmas, but I don't

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Speaker 4: I'll take it you'll go towards the election and beyond

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Speaker 4: I think it's a really bad thing in our country

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Speaker 4: So home ownership is incredibly in We need to get

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Speaker 2: I also think the government's made it.

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Speaker 4: Really hard over the last couple of years because when

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, there's only about three hundred

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Speaker 4: for an extension to build a new house, whatever it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is our first time.

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Speaker 2: It was good.

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Speaker 3: I mean to have a speed date.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this is a speed date. But this

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Speaker 1: So tell us a bit about what music do you like?

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Speaker 1: What what's your favorite band? Who do you listen to

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Speaker 1: of Billy Joel. I enjoy.

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Speaker 4: I've said a bit of a country kid as well,

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Speaker 4: so enjoy a bit of country in Western I went

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Speaker 4: to Luke Coom's concert in a few months ago now

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Speaker 4: So yes, and generally speaking, the real answer to your

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Speaker 5: What about have you ever had a desire to be

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's about. That's about the only reality your life.

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Speaker 4: Well here I am today, what what costume could I

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Speaker 3: Do you ever get it?

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Speaker 5: Do you?

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Speaker 3: You probably don't get a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of binge binging time, But what's what's a series

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that's about it. Law and Order? Is that

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Speaker 5: That Time's a cat person, a dog person?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we are getting to know you. And this is

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Speaker 4: I mean I came in two thousand and one into Parliament,

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Speaker 2: And I've been in a.

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Speaker 4: defense as well, and they're all interesting areas. But sitting

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Speaker 1: Well, we heard a whispy you might be back in

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great thing.

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Speaker 3: There's an amazing weekend.

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Speaker 5: There's so many beneficiaries. But also for someone like yourself

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Speaker 5: walking into telethon, they're always looking at your hands to

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Speaker 5: see what kind of check you got. Now that's true.

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Speaker 4: The sad part of opposition is that it's like being bankrupt,

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Speaker 4: no check, decision making a bit, you're unemployed.

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Speaker 3: Basically, well, mister done. Thank you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 3: Thanks thanks for.

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Speaker 2: Having me, Thank you for inviting me into the palace.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you,