1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: I think it is time for the week that was 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning. We've got the 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: Opposition leader, sorry, the Deputy Opposition leader, Jared Mainly, good 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: morning to you. I apologize, Lea. We've got nine News 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, good morning to you. And we have 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: got the Minister for Environment and various other things Lauren Moss. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Good morning to you morning listeners. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Great to have you all in the studio. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Now. Unfortunately a pretty horrible night, quite a bit of 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: police news. I'll just touch on to start off with 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: this morning a man stabbed in the CBD. We know 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: that there has been a man stabbed in the chest 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: with a broken bottle in the city. 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 3: Overnight. 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Security staff at Shenanigan's on Mitchell Street flagged down the police, 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: who gave the man first aid at about eleven pm. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: He had to be taken to Royal Darwin Hospital in 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: a critical condition. Police later discovered that the alleged attack 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: occurred outside the A and Z Bank on Smith Street 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: and arrested a man nearby, so no doubt we'll hear 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: some detail on that throughout the morning. Also though overnight, 22 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: unfortunately a police officer assaulted in what air while responding 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: to reports that someone had been injured with an axe. 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Now upon arriving at the scene. On Thursday night. 25 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 1: A group of people allegedly through rocks at the Northern 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Territory Police, leaving a female officer with a cut to 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: her forehead. Police withdrew and later returned with night patrol 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: officers as I understand it, and found a man with. 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: A cut to his lower leg. 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: Both the man and the officer were taken to the 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: local clinic. Pretty terrifying stuff, you would have to say 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: for the local police out there to be in a 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: situation like that, and it does, you know, to have 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: a group of people and to be in that situation, 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: I would think is horrible and another example of you know, 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: police having to face some pretty difficult conditions out there 37 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: on the road. 38 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: Lois is just another example of our crimes out of 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: control right across the Northern Churitory. And you gave two 40 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 4: examples of one of what I own wanted done, but 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: unfortunes is having right across the chair. You can be 42 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: in Catherine and Tenant Creek or Alice Springs or oven 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: Borrel lul that doesn't really matter. Crime just seems to 44 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: be out of control in this government. We've just got 45 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: to set and forget policy, and they've seem to do 46 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 4: nothing about it. I know they're trying something new in 47 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: our of Springs at the moment, and I really hope 48 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: that works, but you know, it's a little bit too late, 49 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 4: because unfortunately crime is through the roof and it affects 50 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: all territories. Businesses, tourists coming here, people trying to get 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: their families to stay here, and the business owners who 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: go to work and find the shop broken into and 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: happens in the rural area and then you've got to 54 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: clean up. It's just really bad for the territory full stop. 55 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean that situation though you've got a police officer 56 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: who's you know, who's allegedly assaulted, like that's pretty frightening. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: It does go to show you the dangers that our 58 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: police force are put into each and every day when 59 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: they go to work. And I think that that's a 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: point which is really well worth making, is that you know, 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: our police do an incredibly tough job, and it does 62 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: demonstrate just how tough it can be, particularly in some 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: of our more remote communities. 64 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 5: They do cati, they do an incredible job, and you 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 5: know that particular example you've given it just absolutely horrific. 66 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 5: So you know, we obviously want to make sure that 67 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 5: anybody who is assaulting police or anyone else for that matter, 68 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 5: does you know, see the full consequences that they should have, 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 5: and you know, just full respect to our police who 70 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: go into dangerous situations where other people need their support 71 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 5: and protection. 72 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 6: I mean, I think the biggest thing for police is 73 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 6: the actual assaults specifically on them, that they're being targeted. 74 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 6: In that instance, they were obviously pelted with rocks, and 75 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 6: it goes to the survey that we've talked along long 76 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 6: about from the Police Association in terms of police assaults. 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 6: I mean, we've obviously seen the attack ads put out 78 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 6: about their pay negotiations on television and newspapers and potentially 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 6: you know, Paul McHugh says there was a seventy assault 80 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 6: since negotiations had begun in February over that EBA. I mean, 81 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 6: that's obviously one extra overnight and however many since we've 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 6: spoken to him as well. But that's a big frustration 83 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 6: for police that they're constantly being targeted and you know, 84 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 6: they're out there helping the community. But they have to 85 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 6: face this not just a dangerous job in the sense 86 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 6: that they're out doing it and they can be hit 87 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 6: from all angles, but actually being targeted by the people 88 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 6: that they're helping. 89 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. 90 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: And I think that we've seen really over the last 91 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: week or two just how impactful the work that the 92 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: police can, you know, do can be. In the likes 93 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: of Alice Springs, where we saw the surge of police 94 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: officers into Alice Springs, the work that then they've been 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: able to complete shows you how valuable you know, they 96 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: are within any community, whether you're talking remote or whether 97 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: you're talking urban when it comes to combating the issues 98 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: that we see around the place with crime, and goodness knows, 99 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: we've got a lot of those issues. I mean, just 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: to go back to some further police news, we know 101 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: that a man has attempted to sexually assault a child 102 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: during broad daylight in Palmerston. That was earlier in the week, 103 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: so that was in driver Now Territory. Police calling for 104 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: community help to locate the man and this happened, as 105 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: I understand, at two point thirty on Wednesday, so the 106 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: day before yesterday we learned about this yesterday though, about 107 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock from the Northern Territory Police after not sort 108 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: of knowing exactly what had gone on. We'd been told 109 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: that there was an operation in Palmerston, but didn't have 110 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: a huge amount of details. 111 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: So it is well. 112 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: It is understood that the child involved is aged between 113 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: six and ten years old. Police say the man entered 114 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: the property before he was disturbed by the occupants and 115 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: fled on foot naked. 116 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: It's really mortifying and quite fine. 117 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 4: SA similar to that event that happened in Catherine where 118 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: someone broke into someone's house and he eventually shot by 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 4: the owner of the house. You know how tragic is 120 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 4: that where someone's actually thrown into the house and then 121 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: you know someone's lost their life. It just goes to 122 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: show that it's just a terrible feeling right across the 123 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 4: cheritchy And I know that the Police Association are out 124 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: calling for a review, and I know the SEAL PFRC 125 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: labor government five times for a review into the police 126 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: because they do a great job the frontline workers, but 127 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 4: it seems to be that they're not backed up by 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: the by the government. And Paul mcqu'es come out and 129 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: said morale's low resources. Alow we know that there's thirty 130 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: five less police officers this year than there were last year, 131 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 4: so it really goes to show that they're doing a 132 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 4: great job, but they just seem to be having no 133 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: support by the government. 134 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Obviously not your portfolio. 135 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: But where are we at with the negotiations in terms 136 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: of the pay for our Northern Territory police? I mean 137 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: I know that and we'll get into it a bit later. 138 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: There has obviously been a pay negotiation with the Northern 139 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Territory teachers, but in terms of the police, where are 140 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: things ash. 141 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, they are ongoing and I don't have the most 142 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: up to date information for you, Katie on where that 143 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 5: EBA is at. But obviously there's a number of different 144 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 5: processes going not only with teachers and police, but others 145 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: as well, and you know where we will continue to 146 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 5: those negotiations. 147 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: But there's also other bodies of work going on. 148 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 5: Obviously there was the well being peace that has you know, 149 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 5: where those recommendations are being implemented and are no kates 150 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: out across the Northern Territory meeting with local police but 151 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: not only them making sure you know, Eva and I 152 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 5: were out at the bus interchange at Casurina a few 153 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 5: weeks ago, talking to the transit safety offices, because we 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 5: have to make sure that all of these different you know, 155 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 5: whether it's patrollers or people who are charged with keeping 156 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 5: different elements of our community safe, are actually working together. 157 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 5: So for example, where Transit Security and Casarina might be 158 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: responsible for the interchange, what happens when it spills across 159 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 5: the road and you know it's no longer within their powers. 160 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 5: We have to get better at coordinating some of that 161 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 5: and making sure that we're taking the pressure off police 162 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 5: by addressing some of these issues Earlier, was. 163 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: There actually going to be a review though, in terms 164 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: of the working group that the government had promised on 165 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: reviewing the sentencing options for offenders who actually assault police. 166 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: So just back on that assault side of things, an 167 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: assaulting police. 168 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: Where are things at with that? 169 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I know that that is something there the Association had 170 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: raised with us previously on the show, so I understand. 171 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 5: So again i'm you know, it's not my portfolio. I 172 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 5: don't have the most up to date on that. But 173 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: but again, there's been obviously progression around spitting on frontline workers. 174 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 5: There's been progression just in this last settings around disarming 175 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: police and attempts to disarm police for example. So you know, 176 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 5: elements of that work are absolutely progressing through the Parliament 177 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 5: and I'm yeah happy to get an update from Minister 178 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: Warden on those suther issues. 179 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Kathleen, I know that none news obviously covered yesterday the 180 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: situation out in Palmerston. Do we know that offender, as 181 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: we understand, is still at large at this point, isn't he? 182 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: From my understanding? 183 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 7: That's right. 184 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, So obviously police put out a notification on social 185 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 6: media on Wednesday nights that an operation was ongoing, and 186 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 6: they were keeping their cards very close to their chest 187 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 6: as to what was actually happening, and we weren't able 188 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 6: to get much information until they held that press conference 189 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 6: the next more wanting to tell us of that horrific incident. 190 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 6: And yes, they were obviously calling for anyone who might 191 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 6: have seen suspicious behavior. I am naked man walking around, 192 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 6: but what a terrifying experience for those parents to see them. 193 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 6: I mean, in a perfect world, we would love to 194 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 6: see no crime, right We've heard that so often from 195 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 6: the government that we're never going to see no crime, 196 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 6: and instances like that is just horrific and it gives 197 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 6: everyone chills. But in terms of the anti social behavior 198 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 6: we've been called, I mean, you and I had spoken 199 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 6: to politicians and the police and all that kind of 200 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 6: thing as to why there wasn't a surge into Alice 201 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: springs of those officers a long long time beforehand. I mean, 202 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 6: the commissioner said to our reporter earlier this week that 203 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 6: it was because they had people off with COVID and 204 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 6: dealing with a lot of domestic violence, isn't it. So 205 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 6: they had had to deal with rostering and that kind 206 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 6: of thing. But at the end of the day, it's 207 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 6: still what happens when those officers go back to their 208 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 6: original roles where they are from. 209 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 7: You know what's going to happen after that? 210 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 3: Well, and that's a very good question. 211 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: We are due to catch up with the Northern Territory 212 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: Police Commissioner this morning after ten o'clock, so I'm keen 213 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: to actually ask that question and find out what the 214 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: situation is going to be in terms of moving forward. 215 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: We'll take a very short break. 216 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot to cover off on this morning, and 217 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: we did learn yesterday the are the full Council of 218 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: the Northern Land Councilors agreed on updated access arrangements for 219 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: recreational fishes, So we'll talk further about that in a 220 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: couple of moments. Time you are listening to Mix one 221 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: oh four nine's three sixty eight is the week that was? 222 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was? And if 223 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio this morning, is 224 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Lauren Moss, Kathleen Gazola and Jared Mayley, and we know that. Well, 225 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: yesterday we learned the Full Council of the Northern Land 226 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: Council agreed to updated access arrangements for recreational fishes wanting 227 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: to access waters overlying our Aboriginal land from the first 228 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: of January next year. Now, this has certainly been an 229 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: issue which people are being quite worried about for a 230 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: while now, and the current arrange cease on the thirty 231 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: first of December this year and will be replaced by 232 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: a permit system. The permit system is going to be 233 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: based on location, date and time and will initially be 234 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: free of charge. It will be available on the NLC website, 235 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: which is going to be updated to reflect these arrangements 236 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: before the end. 237 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: Of each year. 238 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: Now I know that the Chairman of the Northern Land 239 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: Council doctor Samuel Bush Blanasi has said that the updated 240 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: arrangements will balance the rights of traditional owners and the 241 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: interests of recreational fishes. He said, for the last two years, 242 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: the nlc's provided recreational fishes with a simple registration system 243 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: giving recreational fishing access free of charge to the majority 244 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: of Aboriginal Sea country. There have been thousands of registrations 245 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: during that time. Now we know that permit free fishing 246 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: is going to continue for popular fishing areas around Darwin 247 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: and Bino Harbors. Long term permit free access arrangements will 248 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: continue to apply in the Daily River, nulandboy Port Keats 249 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: and MacArthur River regions based on existing arrangements between the 250 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Government and the NLC and traditional owners. Parts 251 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: of the Finnish River and many mini areas will remain 252 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: closed to recreational fishes. So I know that this is 253 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: going to be the first time that a lot of 254 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: people are probably hearing this if they didn't catch it yesterday, 255 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: and they're going to be wondering exactly what this permit 256 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: system means for them. Kathleen, based on the info that 257 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: you've got at this point in time, is it luck? 258 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't even appear to be up on 259 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: the website yet. Again, we're going to talk to the 260 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: NLC after ten o'clock this morning, so we'll hopefully get 261 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: a bit further detail. But how different is this from 262 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: the way in which things have been operating From your perspective. 263 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 6: I suppose, as you've read out, that there has been 264 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 6: that registration system in place. So I suppose that they'll 265 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 6: essentially update what is on the website to become what 266 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 6: is classed as a permit. So you'd imagine it'd be 267 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 6: much the same process that people are having to follow. Now, 268 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 6: perhaps they need to be a bit more diligent with 269 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 6: it being a permit rather than a registration, given that 270 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 6: you'd imagine permits are it says dependent on place, date, time, 271 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 6: that kind of thing, rather than a registration overall. 272 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 7: As to whether it's a singular fishing situation or. 273 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 6: Not, the fact that it says initially free of charge 274 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 6: is obviously the operative word there As to you'd wonder 275 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 6: that soon down the line, whenever the NLC and the 276 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 6: Full Council decides traditional owners decide that there may be 277 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: actual costs come into play. For specific areas, but obviously 278 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 6: at the moment they do say that it is free 279 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 6: of charge. Just hearing Dave Shiribolo from AFANT on another 280 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 6: radio station briefly this morning before we came on here 281 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 6: that the recreational fishes would definitely have concerns as to 282 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 6: some areas that are iconic I for example, the Daily River, 283 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 6: there are still native title applications lodgings for you know 284 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 6: that area in particular in some other areas that are 285 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 6: very popular with fishes, that it still casts out over 286 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 6: the future of being able to access certain areas there, 287 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 6: given that they are still very upset about parts of 288 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 6: the Finnis and the Mini Minue being blocked off. 289 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 7: So, I mean, it. 290 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 6: Has been fourteen years since that High Court decision, and 291 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 6: of course this is the traditional owner's rights to be 292 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 6: able to put in what they lack because it is 293 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 6: their land and their waters. But I mean, it just 294 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 6: goes to show that fourteen long years of successive discussions 295 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 6: between government and the NLC, governments on both sides just 296 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 6: not being able to secure certain arrangements for particular areas 297 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 6: how they would like it. 298 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seems like it's been such like 299 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: you've said, there is such a long time and to 300 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: still be at this point where really it's an agreement 301 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: now for the next two years if I've read that correctly, 302 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: it's dragging on, and you know, you just kind of wonder. 303 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 4: Why it needs to be some certainty in rating two 304 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 4: reck fishes, and I know that just recently that Shady 305 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: Camp itself has been a big thing where the boat 306 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: ramps with two hundred and thirty seven met within the 307 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 4: Aboriginal land and ultimately, I think we just need some 308 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: clarity on what's the ax is going to happen. 309 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: What's it going to look like. 310 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: And remember the Blue Mud Bays, in which we fully respect, 311 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: it goes to the low watermark, So there's going to 312 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: be some explaining it where it is a low watermark 313 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 4: across the rivers, Where can people put it in and 314 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: go along, how will it go, and how it will 315 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 4: be enforced. I'm just really confused because ultimately, I don't 316 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 4: think there's too many red fishers out there who really 317 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: want to go and break the law, but they need 318 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: to understand fact what the law is so they can 319 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 4: comply with it. And you know, my understanding is the 320 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 4: Blue Mud Bay low watermark. And I could be wrong. 321 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: I'm not really sure, but I think that's what it says. 322 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: So how do you define a low watermark on any 323 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: particular beach or river or you know, Shoal Bay or 324 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: shady camp sy. It just needs to be some clarity 325 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: and I just hope that the Labor Government are continue 326 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,359 Speaker 4: togotiate and act in the best interest of all territories, 327 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 4: rec fishers, commercial fish shows, because I know there was 328 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: some confusion about the amendment to the Fishing Act where 329 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: our fan and also the commercial fishers, so they weren't 330 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 4: even spoken to a consultant about those changes. So it 331 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: just goes to show that the Labor government a bit 332 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: of his history of not talking, not involving major stakeholders. 333 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: And I just think that this is really concerning because 334 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: really fishing in Northern Charity is a big thing. I 335 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: go fishing, lots of my friends go fishing, and we 336 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 4: just need some certain details. 337 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: It's a way of life. 338 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, plenty of people go fishing up Lauren. Where 339 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: are things out in terms of the negotiation, So I 340 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: know it's not your portfolio, but presumably this is something 341 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: that the Cabinet's spoken pretty extensively about because it has 342 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: such a huge. 343 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 5: Impactsolutely and Minister Ubo as Aboriginal Affairs and Minister Kirbys 344 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 5: Recreational Fishing will continue to work with the NLC around 345 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 5: some of those outstanding issues. 346 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: You know, Kathleen's talked. 347 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: About the permits and what happens after that initial period, 348 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 5: so it's definitely at the top of their list to 349 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 5: be working together around what that means for fishows and 350 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 5: providing certainty. I understand from AFAN as well, just reading 351 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: their updates overnight that they are also being brief today 352 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 5: by the NLC, So you know, I'm sure that as 353 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 5: you know they come together with the NLC, we will 354 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: obviously continue to talk to the NLC about what that 355 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 5: means going forward, making sure that you know, you're protecting 356 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 5: those rights of the traditional owners but also providing some 357 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 5: certainty for fishers. I mean, I'm not a particularly good fisherwoman. 358 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: As Kathleen knows. 359 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 5: You've seen me in action, very very bad, but you 360 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 5: know it's so important up here, and so it is 361 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 5: really incredibly important that that certaintie is what about. 362 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: For the commercial fisher fishes? 363 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Do we have much of an update of how any 364 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: of this is impacting them. Kathleen, I don't know whether 365 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: you've got much insight into that side of things. 366 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 6: I don't have a huge amount, But obviously in the 367 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 6: media release that the NLC put out yesterday, they have 368 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 6: a statement from the CEO saying commercial operators have been 369 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 6: advised at Section nineteen agreements under the Land Rights Acts 370 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 6: will be required to operate on waters overlaying aboriginal land 371 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 6: from January one. The NLC will continue to work in 372 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 6: good faith with traditional owners and all other stake holders. 373 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 6: So obviously commercial raiders will have an extra requirement that 374 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 6: they will need to go through to be able to 375 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 6: continue their operations in specific areas that are considered aboriginal water. 376 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right again, I guess the big thing is is 377 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: that it's for the next two years, and realistically that 378 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: work needs to happen to make sure that there is 379 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: that long term certainty. 380 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing. 381 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 6: It has dragged on for fourteen years, and obviously you 382 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 6: mentioned that the current arrangement cease at the end of 383 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 6: this year. That's from two years ago, just prior to 384 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 6: the election. Michael Gunner and doctor Sammy bush Blanasi had 385 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 6: that shaking hands on the Victoria River. I think we 386 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 6: went out to as to the implementation plan, and even 387 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, the NLC put out a 388 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 6: statement saying that the government had been dragging its feet 389 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 6: on certain key milestones that hadn't been met. 390 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 7: Over those two years. 391 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 6: That who knows, maybe there could have been a long 392 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 6: term arrangement met if those milestones had been reached. But 393 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 6: of course we're not part of those discussions, and they'll 394 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 6: see what happens behind closed doors. 395 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: And look, I think the positive thing here is that 396 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: the you know, with the NLC and with the traditional 397 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: line is obviously they you know, seem as though they're 398 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: acting in good faith for all of the territory for 399 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: the next two years. 400 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 6: They recognize fishing is important in the northern territory that 401 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 6: you know, everyone wants to access the waters and to 402 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 6: be able to continue doing a great pastime that we 403 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 6: love because they love the territory as much as we do. 404 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: But it just comes as a recognize certainty and the access. 405 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: You know, the charity of government got to have the 406 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: territorians back in relation to try and negotiate. What they 407 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 4: can talk about is access and certainty because if it's 408 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 4: going to be a permit's going to cost and whatever 409 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 4: if the good, bad or the ugly, but it needs 410 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: to be negotiated and it needs to know and ultimately 411 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 4: it's it's right across the territory. Fishing is a massive industry, 412 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: and I was speaking to tour operators who who they 413 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 4: take bookings like two years in advance because people travel 414 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 4: and it's always uncertainly. It just makes it very difficult 415 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: for them. You do business and they employ all sorts 416 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: of people, and we all know how expensive fishing is, 417 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: like you know, get my boat up and running and 418 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 4: go out and buying fishing. We was like twenty five 419 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 4: dollars now, so. 420 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: This is a great result. I think this is a 421 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: really good result. 422 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 5: And you know, with a new permit system in place, 423 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 5: by the end of the year, you know, it's only 424 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 5: what sixteen days till Christmas, so there's. 425 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Not it's not that much of the year left. 426 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 5: So I think this, you know, there'll be lots more 427 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 5: information to come, but I think it's a good result. 428 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: Well. 429 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: Look, one of the other issues that has certainly become 430 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: a little bit clearer throughout the week, or maybe a 431 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: bit messier, I think were the words of greg Island 432 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: from the Chamber of Commerce. Is the Ship Left now 433 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: a t A key territory infrastructure project is in doubt 434 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: after the collapse of a major infrastructure construction company, Western 435 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: Australia builder Cloth has been placed into voluntary administration. We 436 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: know that Deloitte has been appointed administrator and is managing 437 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Cloff's affairs. Cloff was indeed a joint venture partner with 438 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: BMD in building the Ship Left, and the territory government 439 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: said that it's monitoring the corporate collapse. The Darwin Ship 440 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Left is a cornerstone marine infrastructure investment, is what our 441 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: government spokesperson has said, and we did. 442 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: Indeed catch up with the Treasurer yesterday. 443 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: Evil Uler at pains to say that, yes, it was 444 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: still going ahead despite what's going on with Cloth. 445 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: But I think at. 446 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: The very best you would expect that there's probably going 447 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: to be further delays when it comes to the Ship Left. 448 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 4: And you know, my concern about that is it's going 449 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: to be delayed, and I certainly completely agree. 450 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: But what about the cost. 451 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 4: You know, when our first initially come out, because I 452 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: think this is a cop idea years ago and it 453 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: was one hundred million now it's gone to just over 454 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 4: five hundred million, and it is more delays. And look 455 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: at the overpassed barn for example, started at sixty it's 456 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 4: gone to one hundred and twenty seven. Now understanding it's 457 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five, So you know that's the 458 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: doubling off these estimate. So if this shiplift is in 459 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 4: the same boat and we're going to talk about spending 460 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: a billion dollars, is that value for money? How long 461 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: is it going to take? What return is the government 462 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 4: going to get on at, what return is business is 463 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 4: going to get on it. There's all sorts of questions 464 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: that have been raised in relations is notwithstanding the question 465 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: about the government actually doing their due diligence to rewarding 466 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: that tender to a company. 467 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: That billion dollar figure did is that one you just 468 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: pot maybe because I'll tell you how I got it, 469 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: because the doubled in price. 470 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: So that's say to. 471 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: Double because on a second billion dollar price. 472 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: Just going on on the labor government history from the boot. 473 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: Ultimately, there has definitely been a increase in the cost 474 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: to the ship left. We know that it has blown out. 475 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: I think it's to five hundred and fifty. It was 476 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: four hundred, but I think in the very. 477 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 3: Early days it was much less than that undred. 478 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 6: I don't know if it was one hundred, it was 479 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: how much I think the non territory government was because 480 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 6: there was going to be Commonwealth contribution, which there still is. 481 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 6: But yes, I think without a doubt there's going to 482 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 6: be more delays on top of it. 483 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: And I guess then. 484 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: The big question is an idea again I ass is 485 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: of the Ministry yesterday. The big question is in terms 486 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: of the clientele, all the customers that are going to 487 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: then be accessing that ship lift, those delays you would 488 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: suspect causing uncertainty for them, as we've just spoken about. 489 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: You know, even when you're talking around fishing permits and 490 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: other things. Business needs certainty, particularly if you're looking at 491 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: using the ship lift here in the territory, and we've 492 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: got the likes of Cans that are bringing one online 493 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: as well. You don't really want to be competing with 494 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: somewhere else, particularly if they end up getting theirs built quicker. 495 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But so it's that certainty. But then the other part 496 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: of it is is the project still viable for us? 497 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: I wake up, Kathleen, I mean, is it still commercially viable. 498 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: If that cost continues to go up, and if we 499 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: do wind up in a situation where there are further delays, 500 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: you would think that commercially that cost could potentially blow 501 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: out further. I don't know that it's going to blow 502 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: out to the one billion dollars that. 503 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: I'm going. 504 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: But you know, we do have to question whether it's 505 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: still economically viable and commercially viable. 506 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean it's meant to be a major 507 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 6: cornerstone for diversifying our economy and heading towards the government's 508 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 6: big goal of is it thirty billion by forty you know. 509 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 7: Seven years away. 510 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 5: You know, you've had the minister on and she is 511 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 5: also the Treasurer, so I know that these things are 512 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: very much front of mine for her, and I'm sure 513 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: that she would have you know, told you at the time, 514 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 5: of course due diligence was done. 515 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: There are a lot of pressures on construction companies at 516 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: the moment. I think we all are aware of that. 517 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: We know that, but one hundred percent committed to it, 518 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 5: and we'll need to work with joint venture partners about 519 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: what the next is. 520 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: The government sort of one hundred percent committed to it though, 521 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: no matter what the cost. 522 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: I guess That's what I'm getting at. 523 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, are we going to build it no matter 524 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: how badly it blows out? Are we so deep in 525 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: here that we're like, we're going forward no matter what. 526 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 6: I really hope they build it and they will come 527 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 6: that night phrase, you know, I mean, Pass Paley are 528 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 6: locked in. I believe as the opera isn't. At least 529 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 6: it is a joint venture that BMD is a part of. 530 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 6: Obviously they did I think Tiger Brennan anyway regardless, So 531 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 6: I mean there are still players involved here. 532 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 7: But yeah, there is a lot of questions is. 533 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 4: It value for money from nor Tutorian, because like, if 534 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: you want to spend a billion dollars or five hundred 535 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 4: million dollars, half a billion dollars, you know, imagine that 536 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 4: would be what to do to the health system, or 537 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: the police, or the nurses. 538 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 3: Or you know, in education. 539 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 4: There's a lot of money there that could go into 540 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 4: day to days people lives, because people right now are 541 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: going to the health system and they're going to you know, 542 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 4: having been putting off surgery, the nurses. Imagine spending I'll 543 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 4: go back to half a million, half a billion dollars 544 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 4: if you like, you know, that sort of money into 545 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 4: the territory where it could be spent on helping territory 546 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: in his lives day to day. 547 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: I guess the. 548 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Argument is, though, that you know that you're talking about 549 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: something that's going to drive the economy or something that's 550 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: going to kick the economy off, whereas you know, the 551 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: wages bill for our public service is a very different thing. 552 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: It's something that is you know, an ongoing cost for 553 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: us rather than hopefully something that's going to get the 554 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: economy moving. But I do take on board the point 555 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: that you're making that you know, you want to make 556 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: sure that money is invested wisely and that it is 557 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: to the benefit of the Northern Territory. 558 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 5: But it's not just about the functionality of that project itself. 559 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 5: It's about the industry that can imagine develop around that 560 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 5: as well, and what's the economic opportunity there. So, you know, 561 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 5: I think we have to also in this conversation remember 562 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: that we're not just talking about a single project. We're 563 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 5: talking about everything that sits around that project, then everything 564 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 5: else that we can do here in the territory, Because 565 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 5: that is an economic enabler and it allows some other 566 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 5: businesses to develop here. So you know, we are committed 567 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 5: to it. As I said, you know the Treasurer that's 568 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 5: very much front of mine for her. She's also the 569 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 5: Minister for Education, so she's a also. 570 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: We will talk about education in just a moment. 571 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 6: I mean, there is massive pressure on the government to 572 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 6: get this done and get it unreasonably quickly. I mean, 573 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 6: you know, we hear so often about the Northern Territory 574 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 6: needing to grow our economy, and infrastructure is a big 575 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 6: part of that. You know, roads and you know, these 576 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 6: kinds of projects itself lack. We need our own revenue 577 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: making streams otherwise rather than relying on GST. 578 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 7: It's as simple as that. 579 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 6: I think our infrastructure is meant to be one hundred 580 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: and fifty years behind the rest of the country or 581 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 6: the East Coast of Australia. So these kinds of projects 582 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 6: are important. So it's imperative on the government to get 583 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 6: this moving and not to delay it for another six years. 584 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 4: I think your colp definitely support it. But just like 585 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: you said, Katie, what costs you know, is it any cost, 586 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 4: how much it goes up for is it value for money. 587 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: We just don't know that and we need to keep 588 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: a close eye on it as this project moves forward. 589 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: Well, take a very short break. 590 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three sixty. 591 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: It is the week that was what There has been 592 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion around education this week. Well, two reviews, 593 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: one review into Northern Territory school funding meth methodology that 594 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: was accepted by the government, and we also of course 595 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: heard that secondary schools, so there's going to be a 596 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: review into secondary school now. We also learned that concerns 597 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: which had been raised about about well an eighteen page 598 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: document on how schools should deal with students struggling with their. 599 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: Gender identity had been walked back. 600 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: And we also spoke further about the fact that the 601 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: teachers now have that payoffer on the table, and the 602 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: Treasurer revealed to us a bit earlier in the week. Well, 603 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister firstly revealed that it's going to cost 604 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: seven million dollars for that first year when it comes 605 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: to when it comes to that payoffer, and then the 606 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: Treasurer confirmed during the week that that money would need 607 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: to be found through the Education Department's budget. So she 608 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: said that there is an overspend. That there was an 609 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: overspend and that is where it would be able to 610 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: be found, which was music to the ears of of 611 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: the NT Cogso, who said, excellent, you know they're keen 612 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: to see that in writing so that they know for 613 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: sure that it's not being taken out and underspend. So 614 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: there had been an underspend, so that was where the 615 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: money was being found. NT Cogso was quite happy with 616 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: that because it does mean that then it's not going 617 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: to need to be found from the individual schools budgets. 618 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, let's just hope that that's actually true and 619 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: hip those recordings on are somewhere. I'm not really confident 620 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: that is going to happen, but fingers crossed, because you know, 621 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 4: our children are are our future, there's no question, and 622 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: we need to put as much as we can in 623 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: education as possible. And I'm also very glad that this 624 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 4: whole the backlip happened about the boys and girls. A 625 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 4: bit of common sense, really, some common sense that laughs, 626 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: you know. 627 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: Money and I've got this sense a bit of commons. 628 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: I'm very familiar. 629 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 7: Can clear it up, Lauren. He was told it was 630 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 7: a draft, but was it actually a draft? 631 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 632 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 5: So I remember I came on at the time, we 633 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 5: had quite an in depth conversation about it at the time. 634 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 5: That was not a decision of government, oh, Jared, it 635 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 5: was not a decision of government. 636 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: It was a consultation. 637 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 5: Paper that had actually gone to a very small group 638 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: of stakeholders. But in any case, you know what, I'm 639 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: being very consistent on this issue. 640 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 2: We have got kids in the. 641 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 5: Northern Territory who have much higher rates of suicide, who 642 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 5: have much higher rates of you know, being bullied in 643 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 5: our schools across Australia, and I till the day I 644 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 5: die will say that schools being as inclusive as possible 645 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: is something that we should all strive for. And I 646 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 5: think we agree, you know, we'd all totally agree on that. 647 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 5: So it's gone out. It's for public consultation, and I 648 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 5: think that's really really. 649 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: Teachers saying boys and girls is a bridge too far. 650 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: We're never going to stop teachers from saying boys and girls. 651 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 6: It was about guid in there, though, I mean, is 652 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 6: guiding an absolutely school should be one hundred percent inclusive 653 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 6: and making sure that it is a place that kids 654 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 6: feel safe of, you know, struggling you're going to struggle 655 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 6: with a different. 656 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 7: Lines of things. 657 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 6: But yeah, to have to put in writing what teachers 658 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 6: can and can't say, I mean, it. 659 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: Wasn't quite like that, though. 660 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 5: It was about providing guidance that teachers might want to 661 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 5: think about using more inclusive language, like not necessarily saying 662 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 5: boys and girls. 663 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: But anyway, without going. 664 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 5: Into the weeds, I think, you know, the intention of 665 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 5: it was absolutely about protecting vulnerable students and I think 666 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 5: that's really really positive, and it's out for public consultation. 667 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 5: The Secondary School Review has been going on for quite 668 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: some time, so be looking forward to seeing what the 669 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 5: outcomes of that are. And obviously effective enrollment. I think 670 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 5: everybody's pretty happy about us accepting the recommendations around that. 671 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 5: It's really important that we keep, you know, looking at 672 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 5: that model and improving the model for school funding. 673 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the teachers pay off. 674 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: Now, it's due back. 675 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they're out to vote, so it's 676 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: due back Monday, so we'll find out Monday. So seven 677 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: million in the first year and taken from that, you know, 678 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: from the current education budget, but also the budget that's 679 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: that's due to come out. 680 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 3: For next year. 681 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Kathleen, you're looking at me like you wanted to say 682 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: something before. 683 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: No, I was ready for to tell me. Look, it 684 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: does seem as so it's a good offer. 685 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 5: I guess. 686 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, everybody is wondering how if we got a 687 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: seven million dollar underspend, I guess to begin with. And 688 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: if that's the case, well are we looking at underspends 689 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: across other departments too, to see whether the health or 690 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: or the police. 691 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: Or anybody else. 692 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: And where are we at with the rest of the 693 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: public servants? 694 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 6: Well, I mean this basically SAIDs the benchmark for the 695 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 6: rest of those EBA negotiations, doesn't it? Every other you know, 696 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 6: corrections are waiting. I think fieries are heading out their nurses. 697 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 6: I mean they're all going to be looking at this 698 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 6: being like, well, that's our baseline. We want that pay rise. 699 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 6: I mean, as we mentioned earlier, the LISA put out 700 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 6: those attack ads on the e BA. They want more 701 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 6: than that two percent, which was the base figure from 702 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 6: the government. So yeah, I think there's a big dollar bill. 703 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 7: Coming for them. 704 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the budget's already in the in the 705 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 4: a long way at nine billion dollars, and I think 706 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 4: it's going to go up even more than that. 707 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 5: We'll see where they all land. But I think it's 708 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: a great offer for teachers. And I've been around this 709 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 5: for a long time. My parents are teachers, so I've 710 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 5: been at a few rallies over my time as well 711 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 5: with my folks. But I you know, it's a it 712 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 5: is a good offer. But it's not just about the 713 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 5: pay as well. This, you know, when it comes to teachers, 714 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 5: it is also things like non contact time and you know, 715 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 5: some of those other. 716 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: Issues that come up through their work. 717 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 5: I think we probably anybody who knows the teacher knows 718 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 5: their workload has changed over over time. 719 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot more that they're doing these days. 720 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 4: So I think the issue is where's where's the money 721 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 4: coming from. We've got a massive debt. You know, this 722 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 4: a seven million dollars underspend. I'm not even sure if 723 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 4: that's correct because from when I was reading the budget, 724 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 4: I thought they spent all their money. But you know, 725 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 4: I could be corrected for that for sure. And what 726 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 4: about the next lot you you know. 727 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 3: Well and the things as well. That's for the year, 728 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 3: like that's for that one year. 729 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: And so this is a payoffer that's been put on 730 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: the table ized I understand it for three years but 731 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: your spot on. Then there is all the others, and 732 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: there is all the other public servants that are pushing 733 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: for that pay increase as well. So where is the 734 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: money going to come from? 735 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 7: Well that that is the big question. 736 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 6: Obviously, the pay freeze came out of the Langoland Budget 737 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 6: Repair Report from five years ago now. And yes, of 738 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 6: course we've all said that cost of living has changed 739 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 6: and situations have changed, COVID has come and gone, but 740 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, the structural issues with 741 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 6: our budget still remain, and we're heading for a huge, 742 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 6: huge debt situation. 743 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: I mean, and this is what I think. 744 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: We're the discussion about the economy reaching that forty billion 745 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: dollars by twenty thirty. That's eight years away. Yeah, so 746 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: we are really you know, like it's not a fascicle. 747 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's not a long, long fascical time away. 748 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 3: Here before we know, we. 749 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 4: Know the ship lift is already going to be delay 750 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 4: in ration into that we'd grow in the economy because 751 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 4: that's the way out of this. 752 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 7: Can't just cut cut cut arms is on hold. 753 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: We need to grow the economy and we need these 754 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 4: infrastructure programs like the ship lift. Unfortunately, it seems to 755 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: be there's going to be another delay and if it's 756 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 4: not going to be done in the next few years, 757 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 4: I'm really concerned about that. The planes they're going to 758 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 4: fly that plane up, they end up putting it on 759 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 4: the truck. They couldn't get in the air, So I'm 760 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 4: concerned about that as well. 761 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 3: I don't know if that is the case or not. 762 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 6: I mean, could it fly, that's the question. I'm not 763 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 6: sure it really could fly to. 764 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: Be I don't know the full details. 765 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 7: It's going to be a prototype. 766 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 6: He's obviously talking about the G one eleven albatrosses, the 767 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 6: amphibious planes that are going to be manufactured here. 768 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 7: Well, it look in the next few years, which is great. 769 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 6: That's that's the indication of a brand new industry that 770 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 6: wants to get off the ground and is using Darwin 771 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 6: and the Northern Territory as a base they're going to 772 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 6: sell it to. 773 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 7: He described it as the ultra wealthy. 774 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 6: You know, Steve Baxter from Shark Tank is apparently the 775 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 6: very first customer. Like, those are fantastic things and we 776 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 6: want to see those positive stories. But obviously to be 777 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 6: able to keep the lights on, yeah, your budget needs 778 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 6: to be. 779 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: Well, and one of the ways that we are looking 780 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: at diversifying the economies. Indeed, the Beagloo and our gas 781 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five recommendations Lauren, that you are 782 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: working through as the Environment Minister. 783 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: Where are things at? How soon are we going. 784 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: To see this industry really get underway in the territory, because, 785 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: let's be honest, it is a big part of that 786 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty. 787 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a massive body of work. My department's responsible 788 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 5: for some of them. Some of the recommendations sit in 789 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 5: other departments across the government, but we've committed to having 790 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 5: those recommendations implemented by the end of the year. 791 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: But you know, not to panic. 792 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 5: We will not be looking to relate anything on you know, 793 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 5: New Year's Eve or anything like that. There's obviously a 794 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 5: period of time where that whole body of work needs 795 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 5: to be considered by government. So we're probably looking more 796 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 5: like sort of late January February for us to talk 797 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 5: publicly about that body of work. 798 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 2: But things like. 799 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 5: The Shriba, which is a massive research study of you know, 800 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 5: flora and fauna and all sorts of things in the Bloo, well, 801 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 5: underway and everything's looking good. So I just want to 802 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 5: really take the opportunity to give a shout out. My 803 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 5: department often doesn't get the shout out it deserves. There 804 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 5: are a lot of really talented scientists and all sorts 805 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 5: of things in the Department of Environment who are out 806 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 5: there in the field every day, and they have done 807 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 5: a mammoth amount of work for implementing the HFI recommendations, 808 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 5: and you know they should be applauded. 809 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: Really and so did you say that those recommendations that 810 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: it will be complete by that it will be done 811 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: by the end of the years. 812 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 2: That's the commitment that was given. 813 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 6: So yeah, and so then what does that mean? That 814 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 6: means thatduction can begin. 815 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 5: So it means that ideally we'd be able to start 816 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 5: considering production obviously applications as processes that people have to 817 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 5: go through over the course of the next year, but 818 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 5: it'll be within the timelines that were set out within 819 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 5: the Pepper inquiry, So. 820 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 6: We can start seeing the process of fracking so to speak, 821 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 6: from next year. 822 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 7: Ideally if those. 823 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 5: A couple of years, will start to see production happen. 824 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 5: But obviously in terms of production licenses, approvals and things 825 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 5: there's a process that needs to be gone through, and 826 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 5: you know, I'm somebody who considers environment management plans on 827 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 5: a regular basis. That is a very very big process. 828 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 5: There's a lot of information that needs to be submitted, 829 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 5: so those things will take some time in terms of 830 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 5: companies getting all of the relevant information together to allow 831 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 5: decision makers to decide whether or not. 832 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: But the reality here is that we are we are 833 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: essentially going to see that so I get underway from 834 00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: next year. 835 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: We can start to see those production applications considered. 836 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 7: Are there any actually been lodged yet they. 837 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 5: Can't Well, we haven't implemented the recommendations, Okay, so of 838 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 5: course there's exploration happening at the moment. 839 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: How big an impact, like, how important do you think 840 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: that that industry is in terms of that diversification of 841 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: the economy that the government speaks so often about by 842 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: twenty thirty, Yeah, I. 843 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 5: Think obviously we've talked about this before on here. I 844 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 5: think Kat was probably on that one as well. In 845 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 5: terms of the what we're seeing in other parts of Australia. 846 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 5: I think it's a really important part of that energy 847 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 5: conversation that's happening nationally and that's really important because I 848 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 5: know lots of people have obviously talked about emissions and 849 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 5: emissions is something that we think about often and that's 850 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 5: why we do have to be in partnership around that. 851 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 2: It's other jurisdictions. 852 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 5: If you know, the Australian government wants access to our resource, 853 00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 5: then we do need assistance around some of those things 854 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 5: and work. Yeah, and we'll definitely work in partnership around that. 855 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: So you want the FEDS to pay their way if 856 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: they want our gas, sure, but. 857 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is about diversification. 858 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 5: We do need to make sure we've got our own 859 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 5: source revenue streams happening here in the territory. But it 860 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 5: is important that it happens in an environmentally sustainable way 861 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 5: and obviously I'm responsible for the regulator of that, so 862 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,439 Speaker 5: you know, it's a big time. But there's a lot 863 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 5: of public servants doing some heavy work and with personal 864 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 5: legislation just in the last settings which the Corp opposition 865 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 5: supported around accountability for environmental damage, appraisal gas, all those 866 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 5: sorts of things. So you know, we're well on our 867 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,319 Speaker 5: way on those one hundred and thirty five recommendations. 868 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: And do you think that those recommendations will be stringe 869 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: enough that obviously the you know, the environment's going to 870 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: be protected, but equally that it is going to enable 871 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: work to actually get underway and not be so sort 872 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: of cumbersome that you know that some of those companies 873 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: decide not to do business here. 874 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 5: Yes, I do. I think that they will be stringent. 875 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 5: I think that the industry have been kept abreast of 876 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 5: what's been happening along the way. They obviously know what 877 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,879 Speaker 5: to expect because they know we've committed to one hundred 878 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 5: and thirty five recommendations. So they've got, you know, a 879 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 5: level of certainty about what to expect in the system. 880 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 5: So I think that's really really positive, really and you know, 881 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 5: these companies they've got their own pressures from shareholders and 882 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 5: things to make sure that they are doing the right 883 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 5: thing and that they are being more environmentally conscious than 884 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 5: I think that's an expectation that's broadly accepted. 885 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: Well, take a very short break. You are listening to 886 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the 887 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: week that was. That is just about it for us 888 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: this morning. Before we wrap up, though, we have just 889 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: received updated information from the Northern Territory Police they've now 890 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: arrested a twenty two year old man in relation to 891 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: an alleged sexual assaulting driver earlier this week. Yeah, well 892 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 1: done to the Northern Terier True Police. Detective Superintendent Mark 893 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: Malagorski has said that the entire Crime Division, along with 894 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: forensics and general duties, have been working tirelessly since Wednesday 895 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: to identify and arrest the person responsible for the incident. 896 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: That man's expected to face charges later today and police 897 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: are still urging anyone with relevant CCTV to make contact 898 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: on one three one triple four. So well done to 899 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,320 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police on being able to apprehend that person. 900 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: And Katie. 901 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 4: One more little update. One of my constituents ranged me 902 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 4: yesterday and he was driving to work and went past 903 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 4: one of the new road sign you know, eleven million 904 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,919 Speaker 4: dollar road sign and guess what it said. It says 905 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 4: for traffic detail, refer to the website. So he was 906 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 4: driving and sign about roads safety says refer to the 907 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 4: website while you're driving along. 908 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: That's the idea of. 909 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 7: You go to the website. 910 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 3: Oh goodness, gracious me. 911 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: They've received real mixed reviews those signs, haven't they work 912 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: like inundated with messages about it when we'd revealed how 913 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: much they're going to cost a couple of weeks ago, 914 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,919 Speaker 1: and then obviously the minister held a press a media 915 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: event not this week, the week before and Jeed, they've 916 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 1: definitely received mixed reviews the roadside. 917 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 4: Referring you to the website to work out what. 918 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: They're well, there there go, there you go, eleven million bucks. 919 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people had suggestions of how 920 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: they thought eleven million could be better spent, but I'll. 921 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 3: Leave that for you all to think about it. Yes now, 922 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,959 Speaker 3: Jared Mayley. 923 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: The Deputy Opposition leader, thanks so much for your time 924 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: as always. 925 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you potentially. 926 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola nine News dar and thank you for your time. 927 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. 928 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, and Lauren Moss, the Minister for Environment and 929 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,959 Speaker 1: various other portfolios, thank you for your time. 930 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 931 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 5: And if I can just mention eleven forty five at Casarina, 932 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 5: there's the No More March, so No More Walk against 933 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 5: Domestic and Family Violence, So just everyone's meeting outside, Peter Alexander. 934 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 2: If you want to be part of that. This panel. 935 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 2: Tony child is going hurt. 936 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: Excellent work of course by Charlie King. He does a 937 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 1: phenomenal job with the No More campaign, so well done 938 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: to him. 939 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 3: And eleven forty five did you. 940 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 2: Say that's when the people are meeting? 941 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 6: Yeah? 942 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 3: Good stuff. 943 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning. 944 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: That was the week that was right here on Mix 945 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: one oh four nine. Still plenty more coming your way.