WEBVTT - The Great Unfollowing 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.160 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.879 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.240 Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Why Steph 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:18.119 klas Smith is Losing followers, Tammy Hembro takes London for 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:22.520 just two days and our Friday Debrief. But first Bachelor 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.160 contestant Tarny Leeson celebrated her baby shower in style in 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.240 Melbourne over the weekend. The lavish affair comes off the 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.519 back of her baby daddy, Justin McKean, missing his second 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.760 court hearing where he's been accused of stealing almost half 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.199 a million dollars from his former employer, Rocket Brands. Now 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.360 Sophie I was surprised to see Tiney celebrating in Melbourne 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.400 and not in Perth. Yeah, there has been a bit 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.840 of contention as to where the couple is actually living, 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.800 because back in January, it was reported that Justin was 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.600 living back in his hometown of Perth to be close 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.800 to his family and at a pitness though Twani had 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.760 ventured over to be by his side, and since Tarney 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.920 broke the news of her pregnancy, she made her instat 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.480 gram account private and she only has around six thousand followers, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.800 which might surprise some people. She did go on The 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.520 Bachelor when it wasn't as popular. I'm actually one of 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.640 those six thousand people following her in my finster. Yeah, 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.200 so you have been keeping in track of what has 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.160 been going on. It's also been difficult to track exactly 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.120 where they are because Justin deleted his account following the 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.720 fraud allegations, but he has since made a super private 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.759 account with very few followers. So when Justin didn't actually 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.080 appear at his court hearing in Melbourne last week, which 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.640 we discussed on Friday, Amy, there was a theory that 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.080 maybe they were still in Perth and hadn't bothered to 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.640 make the journey over. And as mentioned, I do have 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.679 access to Tinese account and I have been keeping a 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.479 close eye on it, and I was pretty shocked when 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.920 all these glamorous photos popped up from the baby shower. Yeah, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.040 because they held it at a rather upmarket Melbourne restaurant 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.120 called half Acre, and the event space is set on 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.000 an old timbermeal south of Melbourne. It has this beautiful 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.840 outside garden space and Tiny posted a series of photos 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.200 looking as though she didn't have a care in the world. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.480 In one of them, she was laughing and looking to 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.480 the side whilst wearing a five hundred dollar designer gown, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.160 and on Instagram she wrote that it was more than 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.000 just a baby shower, she said, feeling very blessed to 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.400 be surrounded by such supportive and incredible women. While not 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.200 all could be here today, those who could really did 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.840 make it a day. I won't forget a really massive 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.880 thank you though, to my wonderful sister Danika Jane, who organized, 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.320 set up and journeyed several hours away from her young 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.680 family to make this day so special. I'm enormously grateful 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.120 for you and everything you've ever done for me. You're 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.840 such a powerhouse of a woman, mother and sister. My 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 little boy is so blessed to have you as his auntie. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.359 It's nice to hear that Tarni has so much support 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.280 from her family and friends, because this would be an 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.160 incredibly difficult time for her. I feel very sorry for her. Kate, 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.399 you said you were surprised to see that she had 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.320 shared so many photos from her baby shower. I wasn't 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.840 because since she's announced that she's pregnant, there has been 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.720 this attitude of sort of almost sweeping all of the 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.160 stuff to do with Justin under the rust. It's awkward 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.840 because Justin has been accused of stealing half a million 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.440 dollar from his former employer, and it has been documented 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:06.040 that he is having to live off an allowance because 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.400 whilst that money is unaccounted for, they can't allow him 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.520 to be spending money outside of his means. So clearly 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.160 Tani is probably having to pay for this or her family, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.680 which of course is absolutely fine. She is in a 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.400 financial state to do that, but it does seem awkward 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.640 putting on this lavish event. I may be reading too 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.760 much into this, but I thought it was interesting that 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.519 her caption started off by saying that she was very 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:32.080 blessed to be surrounded by supportive and incredible women. I 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.400 understand that, but I thought she might have mentioned her 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.080 partner amongst it. Sometimes the partner rocks up at the 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:39.040 baby shower and they give flowers and they look like 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.520 the good guys that he did not turn up to 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.240 the baby shower, well that we know of, Well, he 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.440 wasn't pictured. I did find it interesting though, because when 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:48.720 you know when you look and they have all the 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.720 little games that people play, and he was included in 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.480 that in the sense that they said, oh, what will 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.360 you get from your parents? But at a lot of 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.600 baby showers they have baby McKean, you know the father's 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.440 name everywhere. There was no mention of the father's name anywhere. Well, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.320 I suppose because they're not actually married, so the baby 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.400 might not necessarily be taking on that last name. That's true. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.440 The theme of this baby shower was blue because we 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.360 have discovered that the couple are expecting a baby boy. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.400 I'm surprised I didn't get a message from you, Sophie, 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.839 because every time someone has a baby these days, so 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.479 it's like another boy, Like, is anyone having girls? I 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.440 saw a TikTok which echoed my sentiment. Someone said, what 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.440 the hell is happening? Are women becoming extinct? Because every 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.240 single person I hear is having a boy, Even people 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.440 online are all having boys now. Tany did wear a 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.080 blue dress, which she looked beautiful in. She had blue 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.120 table decor as well as blue cupcakes and games. And 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.039 hearing that this is a baby boy, for some reason, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.840 it made me feel sad because I was thinking about 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.600 the fact that this boy could potentially not have his 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.479 dad and his life growing up because while Justin is 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.800 facing civil proceedings at the moment, this has the potential 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.240 to move onto criminal charges and also lengthy jail time. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.320 As we discussed last week, Justin's failure to appear in 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.680 court has been taken as a sign that is not 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.839 going to defend the allegations going forward. A pretty strange 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.720 move considering he has got a baby on the way. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.440 You would have thought that he would have wanted to 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.680 lodge a very strong defense against these allegations. Well, the 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.080 court heard last week that Justin allegedly admitted to the theft, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.680 So perhaps he's thought I'm just gonna save money and 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.760 not appear in court because his lawyers have also dropped him. Well, 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.120 it appears that tiny It must be in her final 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.000 trimester of pregnancy. It'll be interesting to watch this space 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.960 and see how the story evolves. I just got to London. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.919 I look crazy, like my bags under my eyes. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.680 Tammy Hembro has flown twenty four hours for a two 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.000 day English countryside getaway. The Thinness influencer traveled solo for 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.440 the all expenses paid PR trip. Now so fans couldn't 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.320 believe she traveled all that way for just two days. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.600 All I can say is it must be worth her 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.800 while to go on this brand trip. She's been sent 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.200 to the UK by a London makeup and skincare brand 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.680 called Wonderskin, So not only would they be paying for 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.159 this trip, but they would also be paying her a 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.640 massive appearance fee. And you would also think sponsorship posts 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.839 on her Instagram. Well, I'd kind of want to be 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.839 paid a big appearance fee if I was having to 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.119 travel for just two days in the Remember she's flown 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.520 over their business class or first class. I saw a 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.160 picture of a lay down bed. It's not like she's 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.719 slumming it in economy. Yeah, but for Tammy, she would 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.400 be used to that luxury of flying first class Like 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.440 it's probably not even a big thing for her anymore. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.080 I would actually love to legitimately know how much she's 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.679 being paid, because there's always talk about, oh, she earns 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.960 like thirty thousand dollars for a post. I mean, to 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.800 physically get her to travel that far for two days, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.360 is it really worth it? Like has the brand paid 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.680 her two hundred k or something? Yeah, but she's also 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.120 got the lure of her two younger sisters being in 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.280 London at the moment, so Starlet and Ava just moved 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.120 over there very recently. I saw everyone commenting, They're like, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.680 why the hell would you move to the UK from Australia. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.000 I mean, they were obviously people who live in the UK. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.640 Her followers were pretty shocked to see that she'd only 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.080 be spending two days in the UK. One follower wrote, girl, 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.480 what a twenty four our flight for two nights is insane? Actually, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.560 how are you awake? Whilst another said only two nights 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.320 is crazy now. Tammy went on to explain that the 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.480 reason that the trip is so short is because she 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.000 hates being away from her kids. Here's a bit of 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:13.840 what she said. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.040 Groups like without the kids, I always go for like 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.880 the shortest amount possible. So if I'm going somewhere with 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.400 a brand or going somewhere for an a van, I literally 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.960 will always fly in and fly out. I just don't 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.360 like being away from my babies. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.360 Do you think Matt's been trusted to look after the kids? Well, 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.560 that's what I thought was a bit unfair, because when 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.720 she initially posted that she was at the airport, a 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.840 lot of her followers are like, where are the kids? 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.920 Why aren't you with them? Who's looking after them. But 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.040 it's like a baby daddy that's off living in balley 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.680 away from exactly. I mean, she has a new husband, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.760 it's the kid's stepdad. She also has sisters that live 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.880 close by. This is a legitimate work trip. Why is 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.760 she not that have two days away? I assumed that 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.560 Wolf and Saskia were with Reese's parents or Tammy's parents, 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.720 because when TAMMYA traveled in the past she said, Oh, yeah, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.119 Saskia and Wolfer with their grandparents who they don't seem 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.440 to get to see that often, and Posey would be 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.720 with her dad, Matt Paul. How much would you guys 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.720 have to be paid to fly for two days to 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.960 the UK. I'd probably just do it for the experience, 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.440 if I'm completely honest, especially if I was traveling business 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.360 class for another job I did. I traveled to the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.320 US for five days and that was including the travel days, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.480 and it was quite hellish, but it was just an 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.400 exciting experience. Maybe you're saying this because you haven't had 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:30.280 to do the trek to the UK. Yeah, to the US, yeah, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.440 it would be amazing to spend forty eight hours, for example, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.400 in London. But I don't know if I could back 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.679 it up with those two flights in a row. But also, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.960 would you feel comfortable leaving Jack at home for two 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.199 days or all the goods? Well, if it's only two days, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.800 it's really not that long. I Also, I just feel 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.920 for female influencers though, because they get so much flak 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.960 whenever they're away from their kids. That's why I feel 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.199 like Tammy thought it was important to preface that she 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.600 was only there for a few days. Yeah. I mean, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:59.000 in fact, the dads who will be like, oh, I'm 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.040 babysitting my kids on Saturday night because you know, the 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.079 mom's out at a fucking dinner with their friends. No, 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.400 you are not babysitting your own kids. Don't use the 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.199 word babysit. That's the thing with Tammy. She does try 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.760 and present that she's got this really strong co parenting 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.199 relationship with Matt Paul and Reee Hawkins, and it seems 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.200 to be the case with Matt Paul, But when it 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.920 comes to Reese Hawkins, he's literally living in a different country. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.160 So as much as she likes to say that things 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.440 are really great between them, she needs to go on 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.160 this brand trip. She does have to find an alternative babysitter. Yeah, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.960 and I feel sorry for her with that. That's really 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.119 not fair. And then the fact that the spotlight's on her. Oh, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.120 where are the kids going to be? Like right there 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.760 with you? That being said, I cannot get over how 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.760 much Tammy's son Wolf looks like Matt Sakowski, Like if 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.920 you actually put him and also Reese, I would say 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.440 that that was Matt's skill. I can see Reece Hawkins 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.040 in him as well. I can't. This jet lag seemed 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.000 to hit Tammy really hard because she put up an 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.480 Instagram story in her hotel room when it was two am, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.360 saying that she couldn't sleep. She tried everything, and she's 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.440 resigned herself to the fact that she's not going to 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.760 adjust to the time frame in two days. So she 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.520 actually ended up going to the gym. Why would you 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.600 even bother trying to adjust to the jet lag like 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.880 it was never going to happen. I would just be like, huh, 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.200 I'm just gonna wing it. Well, we go. That's pretty 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:12.520 much what she did, and she said it was the 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.640 right decision. She felt so good after this workout. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.240 I think anytime I speak about his sleep, I get 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.720 a mixture of opinions, which is obviously valid. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.160 Steph Claire Smith is dividing her audience one sleep update 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.880 at a time. The fitness entrepreneur regularly updates her followers 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.840 about her three year old son's sleep. However, followers are 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.280 tapping out after the model complained about her toddler's early 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.959 rise after an eleven hour stretch of sleep. Now, before 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.120 we get into it, Kate, can you provide us a 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.440 little bit of background. Yeah, So Steph has a three 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.160 year old son called Harvey and is thirty weeks pregnant 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.520 with her second child, and anyone who is pregnant will 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.080 know that sleep is very important at that time. I 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.960 just don't know how anybody can have a toddler and 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.520 also be pregnant, because there's someone who is thirty four 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.080 weeks pregnan. The thought of having to look after a 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.920 small child at the same time, it just blows my mind, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.679 Like people who do that are actually super woman. It's 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.720 enough having a puppy dog who wakes you up very 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.720 early to go out for a week after I've had 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.000 like four testa the toilet, I'm like, oh my god. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.760 So I do feel sympathetic for Steph. This would be time, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.000 and on top of that, she is a co founder 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.040 of multimillion dollar fitness business Kick that she works four 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.560 days a week at Her husband, Josh, is the primary 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.880 care giver of their son, which she often cops a 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.120 lot of criticism for. Yeah, and very unfairly, I think. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.920 I think people are so shocked to see a dad 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.080 actually taking on that responsibility. But in their case and 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.720 their financial situation, why wouldn't he when she's the bread 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.440 within It makes so much sense. And a lot of 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.600 people follow Josh on Instagram and TikTok as well because 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.600 previously he would share a lot of content with their son, Harvey, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.120 and it got to the point where Harvey was being 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.400 recognized out on the streets. So we've spoken about it 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.240 a few times that Steph and Josh made the decision 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.600 to start blurring their three year old son's face, sometimes 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.320 in quite a comical way, because it first started off 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.439 as like a bit of a squiggle on his face, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.040 then progressed to a blur. We recently had emojis. We 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.440 recently had some flowers and an uber eats ads blocking 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.400 his face sometimes quite a funny way, and sometimes the 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.680 emoji would just disappear all together, and you'd see his 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.760 face anyway, I have to say. As well as being 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.720 in Josh's content, he has featured in a lot of 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.120 Steph's content, and even though they have made these changes 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.960 to protect his privacy, he's a hot topic on her 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.560 Instagram story. We get constant updates about his sleep, about 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.120 his tantrums. Yeah, and a lot of people are confused 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.920 because they've said, well, you've kind of pointed out that 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.319 you want to keep him off your socials, but you're 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.760 still willing to talk about him. He is the cover 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.280 artwork for the kick Bump podcast, which I also find confusing. Yeah, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.280 and the updates about Harvey are often quite negative and 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.760 have to do with how much sleep he has. Steph 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.679 seems to be quite focused on how much sleep she 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.480 is also getting, so she often shares screenshots of her 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.400 sleep app to show her quality of sleep. That's something 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.640 that should stay in your family group or a group 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.760 with friends. I don't even think family, you know, Like 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.280 sometimes you you and Mum, when you first started tracking 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.800 your sleep, you both be like, oh my god, look 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.760 what I got. I have to say, no one else cares, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.880 you know what I mean? Like when you get your 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.320 Apple Watch, or you get your is it or a 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.920 ring or whatever it's called. You do become obsessed with it. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.199 But I think once you have a child, I think 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.120 you need to throw that out. Oh yeah, you can't 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.320 start looking at And I have seen a lot of 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.840 people who used to live by their Apple Watch, Like 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.959 a lot of fitness experts say that they no longer 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.760 track it because it becomes this self serving thing, like 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.200 if you've seen you've had four hours of sleep, then 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.200 you start to get angry and you feel like it 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.160 ruins your whole day. Yeah, I mean, I've actually stopped 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.119 wearing my Apple Watch. I used to wear it religiously 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.960 for like the last seven years, only because it has 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.920 a screen on it, so Jack always gets distracted by it. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.960 But as a lot of followers, anytime we'd ever post 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.120 a group photo on our outspoken Instagram account, someone would 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.400 be wearing an Apple Watch at like a fucking wedding 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.800 just triggers everyone. Yeah, it was like take that off. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.240 Sharing about your sleep reminds me of the people that 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.360 always have to share their strap updates. It's almost like proof, 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.240 like look at the run I did, or look at 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.640 how little sleep I've had. Can you actually track your 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.559 walk on struggle without posting it because I just thought 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:11.080 you had to do so I post one all the time. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.400 I mean the people who then go to the lengths 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.720 of then putting on their Instagram story to I mean 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.719 to be fair. Whenever you do do a run, you 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.280 feel like such a legend you go to tell everyone 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.200 about it. I think with Steph, she's wanting to share 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.760 some of the I suppose not so glamorous sides of 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.640 motherhood and her life to be relatable because, as you said, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.760 she owns this multimillion dollar business she's abod so to 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.400 be relatable she kind of needs to share some of 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.120 these updates. 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:35.400 Yeah. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.280 Well, last week there were a couple of updates that 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.920 really aggravated people. So Steph shared a photo of her 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:44.600 looking solemn with water splash on her face with the 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.040 caption me late last night, sitting with the guilt of 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.720 yelling at Harvey after hitting my point of overwhelmed from 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.400 no more patients. She then went on to explain that 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.680 she left the room, splash water in her face and 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.960 did a controlled breathing exercise which allowed her to reset, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.480 and she finished up by saying that bedtime was rough 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.720 last night. But she couldn't be fucked to go into 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.960 the details. Now. A few days later, Steph shared another 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.440 update about Harvey's sleep, writing after six pm bedtime, half 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.800 slept through, but woke at five am ready to start 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.400 his day. I was not with the laughing face emoji, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.240 so Josh got him up and took him for a 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.920 long walk, and I slept in till six thirty am. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.720 I woke to Harvey pulling me out of bed to 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.120 show me the flowers he found me on his walk. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:23.520 Now. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.440 This update sparked a massive reaction in our Facebook group, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.440 with many of our listeners admitting they've unfollowed Steph because 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.840 of her constant complaints about parenting. Now, according to Social Blade, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.840 which tracks influencers followings, Steph has lost over two thousand, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.320 seven hundred followers in the last thirty days. Now, I 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.640 had a look at her overall following and it has 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.320 taken a hit in the last year. So since January 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.320 twenty twenty four, Steph has lost almost thirty thousand followers, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.160 and that calculation takes into consideration people who have followed 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:59.080 an unfollowed, so her overall following is on the decline. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.320 Do you think that has anything to do with her 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.560 announcing her pregnancy, because I know that might sound like 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.480 a weird question, because a lot of the time, when 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.920 influencers announce they are having a baby, they will get 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.760 an increase in followers. But Steph Klaire Smith, a lot 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.320 of her initial popularity on Instagram was because she was 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.160 a model, So a lot of men follow Steph Klaire Smith. 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.040 So I wonder, and I think I've heard her speak 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.240 about this on the podcast before. I wonder if a 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.600 lot of those men who originally followed her were like, Oh, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.920 I don't want to follow this pregnancy content. I'm not 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.360 interested in this stuff about kick anymore. Because she used 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.400 to be one of the biggest ossie influencers. I think 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:35.800 she was one of the first to get to a 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.200 million followers, and I think a lot of it had 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.960 to do with I don't want to say creeps, but 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.560 a lot of men who were like, oh my god, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.520 she's gorgeous. I want to follow her for her PENI phos. Well, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.280 if you take a look at her engagement rate on 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.480 social bladeer is surprisingly quite low, so she's sitting on 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.000 zero point six four percent. I did have a look 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.280 at her influence appears to put that engagement rate into perspective, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.120 and her best friend Laura Henshaw has one point one percent, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.440 while Janney Tunci has two point nine, Sarah's Day has 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.879 one point one five, Abby Chatfield has one point thirty seven, 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.600 and Friend of the Show Courtney Mangan has three point 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.879 three eight percent. So she is a micro influencer. So 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.960 it's interesting to compare that. Sometimes micro influencers have a 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.640 much better engagement rate to those half millions of follow ups. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.080 But also you've got a think zero point six four 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.520 percent of one point four million people is a lot 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.439 higher than you know, three percent eighty thirty thousand. I 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.640 think people with larger followings in the millions often struggle 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.000 to actually increase their engagement, right, I understand that, But 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.520 it is still quite a low engagement rate, because less 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.760 than one percent is considered low engagement. Well, between one 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.399 and three point five is considered quite regular and good. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.000 Between three point five and six percent is high, and 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.960 above six percent is very high. I think that people 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:51.520 are engaging with content differently now. I've even noticed I 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.600 feel more reluctant to like or comment on things like 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.720 I would never comment on an influencer's post whereas I think, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.280 but people may direct them on which obviously leads to 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.320 engagement as well. But I've seen a lot of people 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.200 saying that they don't even want to like their own 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.640 friends shit anymore. I think that's a bit too far. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.040 But I do think TikTok is usually a good indicator 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.439 of whether an influencer is resting on their laurels of 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.920 attracting a big following in the early days of Instagram, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.639 because only one hundred and forty thousand of Steph's one 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.560 point four million followers have transferred across to TikTok, which 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.159