1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Why Steph 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: klas Smith is Losing followers, Tammy Hembro takes London for 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: just two days and our Friday Debrief. But first Bachelor 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: contestant Tarny Leeson celebrated her baby shower in style in 7 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Melbourne over the weekend. The lavish affair comes off the 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: back of her baby daddy, Justin McKean, missing his second 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: court hearing where he's been accused of stealing almost half 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: a million dollars from his former employer, Rocket Brands. Now 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Sophie I was surprised to see Tiney celebrating in Melbourne 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: and not in Perth. Yeah, there has been a bit 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: of contention as to where the couple is actually living, 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: because back in January, it was reported that Justin was 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: living back in his hometown of Perth to be close 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: to his family and at a pitness though Twani had 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: ventured over to be by his side, and since Tarney 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: broke the news of her pregnancy, she made her instat 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: gram account private and she only has around six thousand followers, 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: which might surprise some people. She did go on The 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Bachelor when it wasn't as popular. I'm actually one of 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: those six thousand people following her in my finster. Yeah, 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: so you have been keeping in track of what has 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: been going on. It's also been difficult to track exactly 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: where they are because Justin deleted his account following the 26 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: fraud allegations, but he has since made a super private 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: account with very few followers. So when Justin didn't actually 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: appear at his court hearing in Melbourne last week, which 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: we discussed on Friday, Amy, there was a theory that 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: maybe they were still in Perth and hadn't bothered to 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: make the journey over. And as mentioned, I do have 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: access to Tinese account and I have been keeping a 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 1: close eye on it, and I was pretty shocked when 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: all these glamorous photos popped up from the baby shower. Yeah, 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: because they held it at a rather upmarket Melbourne restaurant 36 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: called half Acre, and the event space is set on 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: an old timbermeal south of Melbourne. It has this beautiful 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: outside garden space and Tiny posted a series of photos 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: looking as though she didn't have a care in the world. 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: In one of them, she was laughing and looking to 41 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: the side whilst wearing a five hundred dollar designer gown, 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: and on Instagram she wrote that it was more than 43 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: just a baby shower, she said, feeling very blessed to 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: be surrounded by such supportive and incredible women. While not 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: all could be here today, those who could really did 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: make it a day. I won't forget a really massive 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: thank you though, to my wonderful sister Danika Jane, who organized, 48 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: set up and journeyed several hours away from her young 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: family to make this day so special. I'm enormously grateful 50 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: for you and everything you've ever done for me. You're 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: such a powerhouse of a woman, mother and sister. My 52 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: little boy is so blessed to have you as his auntie. 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: It's nice to hear that Tarni has so much support 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: from her family and friends, because this would be an 55 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult time for her. I feel very sorry for her. Kate, 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: you said you were surprised to see that she had 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: shared so many photos from her baby shower. I wasn't 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: because since she's announced that she's pregnant, there has been 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: this attitude of sort of almost sweeping all of the 60 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: stuff to do with Justin under the rust. It's awkward 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: because Justin has been accused of stealing half a million 62 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: dollar from his former employer, and it has been documented 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: that he is having to live off an allowance because 64 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: whilst that money is unaccounted for, they can't allow him 65 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: to be spending money outside of his means. So clearly 66 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: Tani is probably having to pay for this or her family, 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: which of course is absolutely fine. She is in a 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: financial state to do that, but it does seem awkward 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: putting on this lavish event. I may be reading too 70 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: much into this, but I thought it was interesting that 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: her caption started off by saying that she was very 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: blessed to be surrounded by supportive and incredible women. I 73 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: understand that, but I thought she might have mentioned her 74 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: partner amongst it. Sometimes the partner rocks up at the 75 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: baby shower and they give flowers and they look like 76 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: the good guys that he did not turn up to 77 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: the baby shower, well that we know of, Well, he 78 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: wasn't pictured. I did find it interesting though, because when 79 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: you know when you look and they have all the 80 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: little games that people play, and he was included in 81 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: that in the sense that they said, oh, what will 82 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: you get from your parents? But at a lot of 83 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: baby showers they have baby McKean, you know the father's 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: name everywhere. There was no mention of the father's name anywhere. Well, 85 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: I suppose because they're not actually married, so the baby 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: might not necessarily be taking on that last name. That's true. 87 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: The theme of this baby shower was blue because we 88 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: have discovered that the couple are expecting a baby boy. 89 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm surprised I didn't get a message from you, Sophie, 90 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: because every time someone has a baby these days, so 91 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: it's like another boy, Like, is anyone having girls? I 92 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: saw a TikTok which echoed my sentiment. Someone said, what 93 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: the hell is happening? Are women becoming extinct? Because every 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: single person I hear is having a boy, Even people 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: online are all having boys now. Tany did wear a 96 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: blue dress, which she looked beautiful in. She had blue 97 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: table decor as well as blue cupcakes and games. And 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: hearing that this is a baby boy, for some reason, 99 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: it made me feel sad because I was thinking about 100 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: the fact that this boy could potentially not have his 101 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: dad and his life growing up because while Justin is 102 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: facing civil proceedings at the moment, this has the potential 103 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: to move onto criminal charges and also lengthy jail time. 104 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: As we discussed last week, Justin's failure to appear in 105 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: court has been taken as a sign that is not 106 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: going to defend the allegations going forward. A pretty strange 107 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: move considering he has got a baby on the way. 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: You would have thought that he would have wanted to 109 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: lodge a very strong defense against these allegations. Well, the 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: court heard last week that Justin allegedly admitted to the theft, 111 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: So perhaps he's thought I'm just gonna save money and 112 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: not appear in court because his lawyers have also dropped him. Well, 113 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: it appears that tiny It must be in her final 114 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: trimester of pregnancy. It'll be interesting to watch this space 115 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: and see how the story evolves. I just got to London. 116 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 2: I look crazy, like my bags under my eyes. 117 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has flown twenty four hours for a two 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: day English countryside getaway. The Thinness influencer traveled solo for 119 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the all expenses paid PR trip. Now so fans couldn't 120 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: believe she traveled all that way for just two days. 121 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: All I can say is it must be worth her 122 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: while to go on this brand trip. She's been sent 123 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to the UK by a London makeup and skincare brand 124 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: called Wonderskin, So not only would they be paying for 125 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: this trip, but they would also be paying her a 126 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: massive appearance fee. And you would also think sponsorship posts 127 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: on her Instagram. Well, I'd kind of want to be 128 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: paid a big appearance fee if I was having to 129 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,119 Speaker 1: travel for just two days in the Remember she's flown 130 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: over their business class or first class. I saw a 131 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: picture of a lay down bed. It's not like she's 132 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: slumming it in economy. Yeah, but for Tammy, she would 133 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: be used to that luxury of flying first class Like 134 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: it's probably not even a big thing for her anymore. 135 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: I would actually love to legitimately know how much she's 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: being paid, because there's always talk about, oh, she earns 137 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: like thirty thousand dollars for a post. I mean, to 138 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: physically get her to travel that far for two days, 139 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: is it really worth it? Like has the brand paid 140 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: her two hundred k or something? Yeah, but she's also 141 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: got the lure of her two younger sisters being in 142 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: London at the moment, so Starlet and Ava just moved 143 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: over there very recently. I saw everyone commenting, They're like, 144 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: why the hell would you move to the UK from Australia. 145 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they were obviously people who live in the UK. 146 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Her followers were pretty shocked to see that she'd only 147 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: be spending two days in the UK. One follower wrote, girl, 148 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: what a twenty four our flight for two nights is insane? Actually, 149 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: how are you awake? Whilst another said only two nights 150 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: is crazy now. Tammy went on to explain that the 151 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: reason that the trip is so short is because she 152 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: hates being away from her kids. Here's a bit of 153 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: what she said. 154 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: Groups like without the kids, I always go for like 155 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: the shortest amount possible. So if I'm going somewhere with 156 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: a brand or going somewhere for an a van, I literally 157 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: will always fly in and fly out. I just don't 158 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: like being away from my babies. 159 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Do you think Matt's been trusted to look after the kids? Well, 160 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: that's what I thought was a bit unfair, because when 161 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: she initially posted that she was at the airport, a 162 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: lot of her followers are like, where are the kids? 163 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: Why aren't you with them? Who's looking after them. But 164 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: it's like a baby daddy that's off living in balley 165 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: away from exactly. I mean, she has a new husband, 166 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: it's the kid's stepdad. She also has sisters that live 167 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: close by. This is a legitimate work trip. Why is 168 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: she not that have two days away? I assumed that 169 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Wolf and Saskia were with Reese's parents or Tammy's parents, 170 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: because when TAMMYA traveled in the past she said, Oh, yeah, 171 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 1: Saskia and Wolfer with their grandparents who they don't seem 172 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: to get to see that often, and Posey would be 173 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: with her dad, Matt Paul. How much would you guys 174 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: have to be paid to fly for two days to 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the UK. I'd probably just do it for the experience, 176 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: if I'm completely honest, especially if I was traveling business 177 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: class for another job I did. I traveled to the 178 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: US for five days and that was including the travel days, 179 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: and it was quite hellish, but it was just an 180 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: exciting experience. Maybe you're saying this because you haven't had 181 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: to do the trek to the UK. Yeah, to the US, yeah, 182 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: it would be amazing to spend forty eight hours, for example, 183 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: in London. But I don't know if I could back 184 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: it up with those two flights in a row. But also, 185 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: would you feel comfortable leaving Jack at home for two 186 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: days or all the goods? Well, if it's only two days, 187 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: it's really not that long. I Also, I just feel 188 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: for female influencers though, because they get so much flak 189 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: whenever they're away from their kids. That's why I feel 190 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: like Tammy thought it was important to preface that she 191 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: was only there for a few days. Yeah. I mean, 192 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: in fact, the dads who will be like, oh, I'm 193 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: babysitting my kids on Saturday night because you know, the 194 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: mom's out at a fucking dinner with their friends. No, 195 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: you are not babysitting your own kids. Don't use the 196 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: word babysit. That's the thing with Tammy. She does try 197 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: and present that she's got this really strong co parenting 198 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: relationship with Matt Paul and Reee Hawkins, and it seems 199 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: to be the case with Matt Paul, But when it 200 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: comes to Reese Hawkins, he's literally living in a different country. 201 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: So as much as she likes to say that things 202 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: are really great between them, she needs to go on 203 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: this brand trip. She does have to find an alternative babysitter. Yeah, 204 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: and I feel sorry for her with that. That's really 205 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,119 Speaker 1: not fair. And then the fact that the spotlight's on her. Oh, 206 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: where are the kids going to be? Like right there 207 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: with you? That being said, I cannot get over how 208 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: much Tammy's son Wolf looks like Matt Sakowski, Like if 209 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: you actually put him and also Reese, I would say 210 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: that that was Matt's skill. I can see Reece Hawkins 211 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: in him as well. I can't. This jet lag seemed 212 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: to hit Tammy really hard because she put up an 213 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: Instagram story in her hotel room when it was two am, 214 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: saying that she couldn't sleep. She tried everything, and she's 215 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: resigned herself to the fact that she's not going to 216 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: adjust to the time frame in two days. So she 217 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: actually ended up going to the gym. Why would you 218 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: even bother trying to adjust to the jet lag like 219 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: it was never going to happen. I would just be like, huh, 220 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna wing it. Well, we go. That's pretty 221 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: much what she did, and she said it was the 222 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: right decision. She felt so good after this workout. 223 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: I think anytime I speak about his sleep, I get 224 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 3: a mixture of opinions, which is obviously valid. 225 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: Steph Claire Smith is dividing her audience one sleep update 226 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: at a time. The fitness entrepreneur regularly updates her followers 227 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: about her three year old son's sleep. However, followers are 228 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: tapping out after the model complained about her toddler's early 229 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: rise after an eleven hour stretch of sleep. Now, before 230 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: we get into it, Kate, can you provide us a 231 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: little bit of background. Yeah, So Steph has a three 232 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: year old son called Harvey and is thirty weeks pregnant 233 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: with her second child, and anyone who is pregnant will 234 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: know that sleep is very important at that time. I 235 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: just don't know how anybody can have a toddler and 236 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: also be pregnant, because there's someone who is thirty four 237 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: weeks pregnan. The thought of having to look after a 238 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: small child at the same time, it just blows my mind, 239 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: Like people who do that are actually super woman. It's 240 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: enough having a puppy dog who wakes you up very 241 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: early to go out for a week after I've had 242 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: like four testa the toilet, I'm like, oh my god. 243 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: So I do feel sympathetic for Steph. This would be time, 244 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: and on top of that, she is a co founder 245 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: of multimillion dollar fitness business Kick that she works four 246 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: days a week at Her husband, Josh, is the primary 247 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: care giver of their son, which she often cops a 248 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: lot of criticism for. Yeah, and very unfairly, I think. 249 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: I think people are so shocked to see a dad 250 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: actually taking on that responsibility. But in their case and 251 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: their financial situation, why wouldn't he when she's the bread 252 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: within It makes so much sense. And a lot of 253 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: people follow Josh on Instagram and TikTok as well because 254 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: previously he would share a lot of content with their son, Harvey, 255 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and it got to the point where Harvey was being 256 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: recognized out on the streets. So we've spoken about it 257 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: a few times that Steph and Josh made the decision 258 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: to start blurring their three year old son's face, sometimes 259 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: in quite a comical way, because it first started off 260 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: as like a bit of a squiggle on his face, 261 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: then progressed to a blur. We recently had emojis. We 262 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: recently had some flowers and an uber eats ads blocking 263 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: his face sometimes quite a funny way, and sometimes the 264 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: emoji would just disappear all together, and you'd see his 265 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: face anyway, I have to say. As well as being 266 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: in Josh's content, he has featured in a lot of 267 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: Steph's content, and even though they have made these changes 268 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: to protect his privacy, he's a hot topic on her 269 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: Instagram story. We get constant updates about his sleep, about 270 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: his tantrums. Yeah, and a lot of people are confused 271 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: because they've said, well, you've kind of pointed out that 272 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: you want to keep him off your socials, but you're 273 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: still willing to talk about him. He is the cover 274 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: artwork for the kick Bump podcast, which I also find confusing. Yeah, 275 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: and the updates about Harvey are often quite negative and 276 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: have to do with how much sleep he has. Steph 277 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: seems to be quite focused on how much sleep she 278 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: is also getting, so she often shares screenshots of her 279 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: sleep app to show her quality of sleep. That's something 280 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: that should stay in your family group or a group 281 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: with friends. I don't even think family, you know, Like 282 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: sometimes you you and Mum, when you first started tracking 283 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: your sleep, you both be like, oh my god, look 284 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: what I got. I have to say, no one else cares, 285 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like when you get your 286 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: Apple Watch, or you get your is it or a 287 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: ring or whatever it's called. You do become obsessed with it. 288 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: But I think once you have a child, I think 289 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: you need to throw that out. Oh yeah, you can't 290 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: start looking at And I have seen a lot of 291 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: people who used to live by their Apple Watch, Like 292 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: a lot of fitness experts say that they no longer 293 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: track it because it becomes this self serving thing, like 294 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: if you've seen you've had four hours of sleep, then 295 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: you start to get angry and you feel like it 296 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: ruins your whole day. Yeah, I mean, I've actually stopped 297 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,119 Speaker 1: wearing my Apple Watch. I used to wear it religiously 298 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: for like the last seven years, only because it has 299 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: a screen on it, so Jack always gets distracted by it. 300 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: But as a lot of followers, anytime we'd ever post 301 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: a group photo on our outspoken Instagram account, someone would 302 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: be wearing an Apple Watch at like a fucking wedding 303 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: just triggers everyone. Yeah, it was like take that off. 304 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Sharing about your sleep reminds me of the people that 305 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: always have to share their strap updates. It's almost like proof, 306 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: like look at the run I did, or look at 307 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: how little sleep I've had. Can you actually track your 308 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: walk on struggle without posting it because I just thought 309 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: you had to do so I post one all the time. 310 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean the people who then go to the lengths 311 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: of then putting on their Instagram story to I mean 312 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: to be fair. Whenever you do do a run, you 313 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: feel like such a legend you go to tell everyone 314 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: about it. I think with Steph, she's wanting to share 315 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: some of the I suppose not so glamorous sides of 316 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: motherhood and her life to be relatable because, as you said, 317 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: she owns this multimillion dollar business she's abod so to 318 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: be relatable she kind of needs to share some of 319 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: these updates. 320 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 321 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Well, last week there were a couple of updates that 322 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: really aggravated people. So Steph shared a photo of her 323 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: looking solemn with water splash on her face with the 324 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: caption me late last night, sitting with the guilt of 325 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: yelling at Harvey after hitting my point of overwhelmed from 326 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: no more patients. She then went on to explain that 327 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: she left the room, splash water in her face and 328 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: did a controlled breathing exercise which allowed her to reset, 329 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: and she finished up by saying that bedtime was rough 330 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: last night. But she couldn't be fucked to go into 331 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: the details. Now. A few days later, Steph shared another 332 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: update about Harvey's sleep, writing after six pm bedtime, half 333 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: slept through, but woke at five am ready to start 334 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: his day. I was not with the laughing face emoji, 335 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: so Josh got him up and took him for a 336 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: long walk, and I slept in till six thirty am. 337 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: I woke to Harvey pulling me out of bed to 338 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: show me the flowers he found me on his walk. 339 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: Now. 340 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: This update sparked a massive reaction in our Facebook group, 341 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: with many of our listeners admitting they've unfollowed Steph because 342 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: of her constant complaints about parenting. Now, according to Social Blade, 343 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: which tracks influencers followings, Steph has lost over two thousand, 344 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: seven hundred followers in the last thirty days. Now, I 345 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: had a look at her overall following and it has 346 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: taken a hit in the last year. So since January 347 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Steph has lost almost thirty thousand followers, 348 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: and that calculation takes into consideration people who have followed 349 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: an unfollowed, so her overall following is on the decline. 350 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Do you think that has anything to do with her 351 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: announcing her pregnancy, because I know that might sound like 352 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: a weird question, because a lot of the time, when 353 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: influencers announce they are having a baby, they will get 354 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: an increase in followers. But Steph Klaire Smith, a lot 355 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: of her initial popularity on Instagram was because she was 356 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: a model, So a lot of men follow Steph Klaire Smith. 357 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: So I wonder, and I think I've heard her speak 358 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: about this on the podcast before. I wonder if a 359 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: lot of those men who originally followed her were like, Oh, 360 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to follow this pregnancy content. I'm not 361 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: interested in this stuff about kick anymore. Because she used 362 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: to be one of the biggest ossie influencers. I think 363 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: she was one of the first to get to a 364 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: million followers, and I think a lot of it had 365 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: to do with I don't want to say creeps, but 366 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of men who were like, oh my god, 367 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: she's gorgeous. I want to follow her for her PENI phos. Well, 368 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: if you take a look at her engagement rate on 369 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: social bladeer is surprisingly quite low, so she's sitting on 370 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: zero point six four percent. I did have a look 371 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: at her influence appears to put that engagement rate into perspective, 372 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: and her best friend Laura Henshaw has one point one percent, 373 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: while Janney Tunci has two point nine, Sarah's Day has 374 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: one point one five, Abby Chatfield has one point thirty seven, 375 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: and Friend of the Show Courtney Mangan has three point 376 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: three eight percent. So she is a micro influencer. So 377 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting to compare that. Sometimes micro influencers have a 378 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: much better engagement rate to those half millions of follow ups. 379 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: But also you've got a think zero point six four 380 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: percent of one point four million people is a lot 381 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: higher than you know, three percent eighty thirty thousand. I 382 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: think people with larger followings in the millions often struggle 383 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: to actually increase their engagement, right, I understand that, But 384 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: it is still quite a low engagement rate, because less 385 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: than one percent is considered low engagement. Well, between one 386 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: and three point five is considered quite regular and good. 387 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: Between three point five and six percent is high, and 388 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: above six percent is very high. I think that people 389 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: are engaging with content differently now. I've even noticed I 390 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: feel more reluctant to like or comment on things like 391 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: I would never comment on an influencer's post whereas I think, 392 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: but people may direct them on which obviously leads to 393 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: engagement as well. But I've seen a lot of people 394 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: saying that they don't even want to like their own 395 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: friends shit anymore. I think that's a bit too far. 396 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: But I do think TikTok is usually a good indicator 397 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: of whether an influencer is resting on their laurels of 398 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: attracting a big following in the early days of Instagram, 399 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: because only one hundred and forty thousand of Steph's one 400 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: point four million followers have transferred across to TikTok, which 401 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: is quite surprising. Why do you think so many people 402 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: are up in arms about these updates about Harvey sleep Well? 403 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: I did read all of the comments in our Facebook community, 404 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: which I think give an interesting snapshot. So to summarize 405 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: the thoughts of our community. Many people think that Steph 406 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have age appropriate expectations on her son, and some 407 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: also accused her of being unrelatable and tone deaf to 408 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: those who don't have a village like she does. So 409 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: to put this comment into perspective, Steph gets a lot 410 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: of support, not only from her husband Josh, who is 411 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: the primary caregiver, but also her son's grandparents, so she 412 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: often talks about them babysitting Harvey for the weekend or 413 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: overnight to let her sleep in. And then others criticize 414 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Steph for sharing personal details about him, despite previously saying 415 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: that she was trying to protect his privacy by covering 416 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: his face. That is something that I do grapple with 417 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: because quite often I see Steph's content and I noticed 418 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: that she is out a lot of the times during 419 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: the week, like at an influencer event or at a concert, 420 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: which again I mean if he's asleep then whatever, But 421 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: is that her work as well? Well, that's the thing, 422 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: that's what would be quite complicated because in order to 423 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: be an influencer and keep connection, she would have to 424 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: go to those things, so they would be considered work. 425 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: But I think that that's maybe what rubs people up 426 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: the wrong way. A lot of mums who are maybe 427 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: stay at home mums, like, well, I don't have this 428 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: freedom and flexibility, and you know, don't you expect to 429 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: have some time where maybe he wakes you up? Do 430 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: you think it's also because Steph is the bread winner 431 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: in quotations and that like if you reverse the roles. 432 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if there was a dad who was 433 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: out working and his wife was at home and he 434 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: was on Instagram being like, oh, I didn't even sleep 435 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: last night, and now people would be like, oh, you're 436 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: not even at home looking That is actually such a 437 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: good point. I think it's because she tries to make 438 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: her braain and also being a mother, and I think 439 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: that there's this terribly outdated expectation that women should be 440 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the primary caregivers. So a lot of mums shall we 441 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: get their noses out of joint and say, well, you 442 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: don't even spend much time with them, which isn't the 443 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: common complaint about Steph. I mean, people have even blamed 444 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: her son's sleep issues because she goes to work, which 445 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I think is completely unfair. I mean, there was a 446 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: small portion of comment as in our Facebook group saying 447 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: that they found Steph's updates very refreshing, especially those who 448 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: also struggle with their children's sleep, and they said it 449 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: made them feel less guilty about not being the perfect mum. 450 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: One listener also a reminder of the community that Steph 451 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: is running a multimillion dollar company while being pregnant and 452 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: a mum. I do think there is an element of 453 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: internalized misogyny at play, as much as we may not 454 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: want to admit it, I think it still is a 455 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: foreign concept for a lot of us to wrap our 456 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: heads around that the mother goes out to work full 457 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: time and the dad is a stay at home parent, 458 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: and maybe one that a lot of us are envious of, 459 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: because when I look at this, I currently am the 460 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: primary care giver of my son, and I'm like, jeez, 461 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: it'd be nice to get to go to all of 462 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: these events and also work as much as I want 463 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: to and then also enjoy my beautiful son. I also 464 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of people were triggered by the fact 465 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: that Steph said that Harvey had slept eleven hours that night, 466 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: and she also followed it up because a lot of 467 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: people were like, well, maybe don't put him down at 468 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: six pm. Put him down a little bit later, so 469 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: then he sleeps a little bit later. But then she goes, oh, 470 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: when am I is meant to have time to spend 471 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: with Josh? And then it's like, but the kid's not 472 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: a robody, can't just fit automatically into the times that 473 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: you want him to be awake. I have to defend 474 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: Steph a little bit though, because I do think we 475 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: need to cut her some slack the fact that she 476 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: is thirty weeks pregnant. Sometimes when I see her putting 477 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: up her stories and she's spoke speaking about losing it 478 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: at Harvey, I get it. Pregnancy rage is real, and 479 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: it would be so difficult being sleep deprived. I mean, 480 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: as the woman your body is going through so much, 481 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: she's probably not sleeping. She's probably sleeping next to her 482 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: partner who's fucking snoring all not. And then she's having 483 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: to go out and slogger guts out in the gym 484 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: for kick she's working really long. I mean, Kay, you mentioned, Oh, 485 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: it seems like she's out having all this fun, but 486 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: she would be missing her child every day. She would 487 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: be experiencing mum guilt. So it's not that bizarre to 488 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: me that she would have moments where she would lose 489 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: it at her toddler. And I kind of respect that 490 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: she's sharing about it because a lot of mums can 491 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: feel like they relate to that. Yeah, but I think 492 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: that she opens herself up to criticism by sharing about it. 493 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: And I know you said that there is that back 494 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: to where people can be like, oh, I do that, 495 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: it makes me feel better about not being a perfect mum. 496 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: But you can't say that she's not opening herself up 497 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: to criticism because there's a lot of people who follow 498 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: her that don't have children, and when you don't have children, 499 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: you don't realize how much sleep actually controls your life. 500 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: I think Steph's attempt to try and remain relatable is 501 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: actually rubbing people up the wrong way. And someone who 502 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: is actually doing a good job of remaining relatable throughout 503 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: parenthood is Jade Tunci, who is also a friend of Steph. 504 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: So she often speaks on an Instagram story about the 505 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: difficulties of motherhood and she backs it up by then 506 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: genuinely sharing things that she loves about. That kind of 507 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: balances its way out. And Jarday shared this week about 508 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: how her nine month old keeps waking up inconsolably and 509 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: won't sleep overnight, and she apologized to her non parent 510 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: followers and said, before she had her son, she used 511 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: to find it really irritating hearing parents go on and 512 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: on about their children's sleep, and she said, after being 513 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: in the sleep trenches for nine months now, she totally 514 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: gets it because it just consumes you and takes up 515 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: eighty percent of your attention and rules your life. Jarday 516 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Tunci is somebody who has really gone up in my 517 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: view of influences because I know we spoke about her 518 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: in quite a critical way when she was the betrothed, 519 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: but I think it was because we didn't get her 520 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: sense of humor. I've seen a completely different side to 521 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: her since she's had that podcast with her husband, and 522 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: she is quickly becoming one of my favorite influence. I 523 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think we saw the wrong side of her. 524 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: I thought maybe maybe motherhood has changed her a bit, 525 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: because she was calling out a lot of that. You know, 526 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: she got in trouble for calling out a luxury you know, 527 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: honeymoon Spot. There were you know, she did do some 528 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: things that were wrong, saying everything she has done previously 529 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: was perfec But now I know her sense of humor, 530 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: I actually get it more. And I've heard around the 531 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: traps that she's actually one of the nicest influences at events. 532 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: She's very funny, she talks to everybody, and she wants 533 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: to unblock us so we can still follow her content. 534 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: No great, I do follow her on my finster and 535 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: I very much enjoy her content because my son is 536 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: the same does Yeah, my son's the same age as 537 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: her son, So I relate on that level now. On Thursday, 538 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: off the back of jar Day's update, Steph explained that 539 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: she shares Harvey's sleep updates for a little solidarity and 540 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: to make others feel like they're less alone if they're 541 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: going through a similar thing. She also said this. 542 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: Also, this is my last story about sleep tonight today. 543 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 3: But I saw jar Day post about this the other 544 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: day and it made me laugh because I know that 545 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: there's people who are so over me talking about Harvy sleep. 546 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: Trust me, I've been basically doing it since the day. 547 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: He was here. 548 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: But I feel like the people that are over it 549 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: are the people that get to sleep at night, whether 550 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: they don't have children or they have children who have 551 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 3: not really had much trouble with sleeping. The people who 552 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: are over it are generally the ones that can't relate. 553 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: So next time you think like, oh, can there she 554 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: goes talking about sleep again, think how grateful am I 555 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: that my mind is not consumed by sleep all the time. 556 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: Now, as a mother of a nine month old, I 557 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: can definitely vouch for Steph that sleep absolutely consumes you. 558 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Even when your child is sleeping, you are then working 559 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: an overdrive to ensure you stick to the same routine 560 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: to make sure it keeps happening. So I totally get this, 561 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: and in saying that the f updates have still rubbed 562 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: me up the wrong way. So I suppose some of 563 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: us have to look at ourselves and work out what's 564 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: going on and why that is. Well. I saw this 565 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: TikTok the other day and it was saying, can we 566 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: normalize that people who don't have children and are in 567 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: their thirties and are working full time are also tired? 568 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: And that went off. I mean, I couldn't agree more. 569 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: Obviously I haven't experienced. Can we come back and see 570 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: if you agree. I'm saying, I just don't like this 571 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: tone that only people with children are tired. Yeah, other 572 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: people being thirty five that I have been incredibly tired 573 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: with your pregnant time, no, but working in a full 574 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: time career life. I'm not going to diminish how tired 575 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: I have previously. Okay, well, I invite you in this 576 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: time next year to see if you have a different Kate. 577 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Kate is currently the boss or the president of the 578 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: Just You wait, committee. I think ultimately what this comes 579 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: down to is people want to have a winge online 580 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: and other people think that they've got it harder than Steph, 581 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: so she's not entitled to a winge. I think that 582 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: that's the summary of a situation. I also think anytime 583 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: you mention anything about parenting, everyone's going to have a 584 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: different opinion on it. Let's get into our Friday debrief. 585 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: Fun fact, it is our thirty six birthday today, so 586 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: if you have been spiraling about it, people on our 587 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: subs will know what we're talking about. Actually be inspiraling. 588 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: I think that's a bit unfair. I've actually said I'm 589 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: excited to turn thirty six because that was the age 590 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: i'm Princess Diana to have been, and I always thought, yes, 591 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: I know, that's the little dark bit of it. Of course, 592 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: she did pass away at that age, but I'm saying 593 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: that I thought it was a cool age because that 594 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: was when she was coming into her own and she 595 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: finally had her voice and she was very confident. See 596 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: that's why I think you were spiraling, because I found 597 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: that quite sick. I didn't really think about the whole 598 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: death bit, but I just thought, oh, thirty six sounds 599 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: cool because I associated with Princess Diana. Look whatever get 600 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: Sophie through her birthday without complaining. I've got a bit 601 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: of a share for this week that if anyone is eating, 602 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: please put your food away. I was told off for 603 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: telling this story at family dinner whilst Amy was consuming 604 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: her meal. But we had a bit of a mystery 605 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: this week because on Saturday, we walked out to go 606 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: to the car, and we've had a lot of work 607 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: going under our house. We had this pile of sand 608 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: in front of the house and I thought the neighbour's 609 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: dog had come over and done a big pooh on 610 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: this dirt. It turned out it was actually intestinees. So 611 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 1: there was an animal which had been killed by something 612 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: and they'd eaten everything but the intestines. Anyway, we thought 613 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: that this was particularly odd because we'd watched this murder 614 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: show on Netflix, and basically the whole crux of it 615 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: was that this murderer would string up animal intestines in 616 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: the yard as a sign that they're about to strike 617 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: and murder someone else. So we were like, oh my god, 618 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: this is so free. They were animal and testine. Well 619 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: that's what we thought. Oh, my god, is this like 620 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: a serial killer on the loose? Is this that someone 621 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: playing a perspective? For those who don't know that, you 622 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: live in the Adelaide Hills, so there's a lot of 623 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: wildlife around us in some suburban street guts on the front. 624 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: And we were like, only girl, we can't live in 625 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: the hills so much longer. This is gross. Fast forward 626 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: to two days later, Brannon goes out into our backyard 627 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: and finds a possum head perched on the ground, just 628 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: the head, nothing else. Thought, always someone playing a prank 629 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: on us? What is going on? We did a research. 630 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: It is a fox. I saw the fox last night 631 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: when I got home. It had its little white tail 632 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: in the yard. It freaked me out. Just something quite 633 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: magical about seeing foxes in the world, Like they freak 634 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: me out, but they're such majestic at mine. We're just 635 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: so sad because we literally used to have a possum 636 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: that ran past our bedroom at twelve o'clock every night. 637 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, is that the puzzle? Oh? So sad? So sad. 638 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: A more positive ship, I do have a bit more 639 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: of a positive update. It said I have finally sold 640 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: my car, so I have been wheeling and dealing trying 641 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: to sell my old car on Facebook marketplace and also 642 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: car sales, and my goodness, my ad had over a 643 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: thousand views. Every man and his dog was reaching out 644 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: to me wanting this car. It was a Mazda to 645 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: apparently their hot property at the moment. But the amount 646 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: of time wasters has been incredible. I also am shocked 647 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: people would rock up with their mechanics to check out 648 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: the car. That's smart. It was smart. But the person 649 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: who eventually bought it, he said he wanted to do 650 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: an RAA check. So he came along this guy, like 651 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: this guy in his sixties with his twenty eight year 652 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: old son. The mother ca him along too, and they said, oh, yeah, 653 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: we'll do an RAA check. They never did one. They 654 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: ended up purchasing the car. Didn't they ask you if 655 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: it came in another color? And You're like, I don't 656 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: know if. Yeah. The funniest thing was, because I'm so pregnant, 657 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: I just made Dale deal with them. Also, poor Dale, 658 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: he's like six foot five. He's having to get into 659 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: the back of this tiny Master too to do all 660 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: of these test drives with all these fucking Randos. And yeah, 661 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: they said to dab, I'll just come in a different color, 662 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: and Dale was like, well, we've only got it in red. Well, 663 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: actually it does come in another color because I'm currently 664 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: trying to sell my Master Too as well, which comes 665 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: in black, if anyone is interested. Now having regret because 666 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: I just traded my Master Too in at the dealership 667 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: got like nothing for it. I told you, kay, this 668 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: is why people people just trade it in. I got 669 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: offered some pitiful amount to trade it in and I said, no, 670 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to spell it might be fair. This has 671 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: taken about ten months, yeah, but it make quite a 672 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: bit of vecta. It's also because we haven't been bothered. 673 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: You know. 674 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: One of the other funny things is new the new 675 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: owner of my car said was he goes, oh, can 676 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: I do donuts? Like does it do? And my husband 677 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: was like, well, she hasn't been doing donut, but it 678 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: is red, so maybe it goes quite fast. 679 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 680 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: Now, I think that is all we have time for today. 681 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 682 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure 683 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify And if 684 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: you do enjoy the podcast, we would absolutely love it 685 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: if you could leave us a five star review. 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