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Speaker 1: Association's Northern Territory Branch President, Doctor Robert Parker. Good morning,

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Speaker 4: That's it. And look, there are systems off the shelf

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Speaker 1: think if we can make it as easy as possible

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Speaker 1: for that contact tracing, if we end up with cases

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Speaker 1: here in the territory, the better.

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Speaker 4: That's it. And you know, because the borders have open

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Speaker 4: to safe places like Queenland for a while now and

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Speaker 4: even Sydney more recently, our venues are reporting that those

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Speaker 4: patrons are coming in and they expect to see it.

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Speaker 4: It's they're use to it down where they've come from,

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Speaker 4: and it's not going to scare the tourists. The way

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Speaker 4: that we implement the same thing that's going on across

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Speaker 4: the rest of the country. You know, no one can

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Speaker 4: judge for how long it'd stay for a year.

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Speaker 1: Or so, Yeah, yeah, I reckon, it's spot on, and

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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to hear that there are those moves being

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Speaker 1: made already by the sounds of things, Alex, and it

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Speaker 1: sounds as though the hospitality industry is more than happy

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Speaker 1: to you know, to adhere to whatever our health professionals

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Speaker 1: like you've also touched on, you know, it does need

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Speaker 1: to include those other industries as well, which I would

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Speaker 4: That's it, And the reality is we are in a

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Speaker 4: very fortunate position up here a relative to the rest

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Speaker 4: of the country. We know that we know this isn't

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Speaker 4: about keeping hard boarders. New Zealand is the perfect example.

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Speaker 4: We can't completely de risk ourselves from something coming back

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Speaker 4: in from overseas at some point, So it's about having

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Speaker 4: those systems in place that help the government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not too sure what's gone on there. Somehow

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Speaker 1: songs just started playing for us. It's time to sound

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Speaker 1: Alex Bruce.

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Speaker 3: I think it was the more I'm not music.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to Mate. I'm not sure how that happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, Alex, just more generally for you guys in the

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Speaker 1: hospitality industry at the moment, I know it's been a

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Speaker 1: tough time and you and I have spoken on quite

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Speaker 1: a few occasions about this, but how are things tracking

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Speaker 5: Look pretty well all things considered, especially where there's locals

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Speaker 5: that you know can't go to Thailand or aren't planning

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Speaker 5: a trip to Bali, or less of us are planning

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Speaker 5: to head down over the Christmas period, we might actually

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Speaker 5: have quite a healthy local season up here in the

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Speaker 5: wet season, underpinned by those locals.

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Speaker 4: It is a different story for the missing tourists. The

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Speaker 4: business travelers haven't returned, so you still see a lot

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Speaker 4: of restaurants around town that have shuttered three or four

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Speaker 4: days of the week, and when we're all out and

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Speaker 4: about on the weekend enjoying them, we might get the

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Speaker 4: false impression where this is chockers, everything's back to normals.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is a lot of unfortunately didn't have

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Speaker 4: the trade they need in the dry season that sustains

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Speaker 4: them through the web. But it's not all bad news.

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Speaker 4: I think largely the venues will survive and we're just

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Speaker 4: very much gearing up to having a cracker next year.

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Speaker 1: Well, Alex, I know that those tourism vouchers as well

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Speaker 1: will there's sort of there's another round coming out. Will

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Speaker 1: that help our will that help the hospitality industry in

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Speaker 1: any way?

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so in our shared space with some of the

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Speaker 4: tourism bodies that it's the accommodation houses that have copped

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Speaker 4: it quite hard alongside. You know, Glenn Hingley from Tours

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Speaker 4: and Top End will talk about the transport companies so

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Speaker 4: that when we are getting out and about, none of

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Speaker 4: us are hiring the four wheel drives that the international

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Speaker 4: or domestic tourists used to do. So there are pockets

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Speaker 4: of particular effected industries and accommodation as a sector has

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Speaker 4: benefited from those vouchers and will contine you to do so.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, even if it's going to accommodation

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Speaker 4: house or a tourist operator, but it's getting us out

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Speaker 4: and about. We're probably having a mew, We're probably having

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Speaker 4: few drinks out and about as well. So it spreads

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Speaker 4: through the coffee shops and the restaurants as well, which.

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Speaker 1: Is it is obviously a good thing, Alex. We are

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Speaker 1: going to have to leave it there. Always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you, mate, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: She's Katie are the best