1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda Jamna. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: He's the former Triple M Rush our host who for 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: sixteen years kept everyone laughing and informed and emotionally equipped. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: But Gus Walland has shifted his focus. He's making his 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: first foray into children's literature with his book, Boys Don't Cry. 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Gus Hello, Yeah, good, Great to see you guys. 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 3: Before we get to the book, and I do want 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 3: to talk about the book. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Sure. 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 3: How are you feeling about Triple M's Drive Show? 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, disappointing. 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 4: I was on the Drive Show for the last three 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 4: years and obviously were replaced by Marty who was on 14 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 4: before us, but he got next a couple. 15 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: Of hours when our show was wound up. 16 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 4: I mean, he's been close to the line many many times, 17 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 4: as a lot of comedians go. But firstly, he was 18 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: wrong yesterday and the information that he gave out and 19 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 4: then secondly, the way that he did it made us 20 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: all feel and we all love the MS, including you guys, made. 21 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: Us all feel really really sad. 22 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: And I'm glad that they made the decision to give 23 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: him the flick. The apology was never going to be enough, 24 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 4: and we just need to change the way that we 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: look at things to triple him. I told the management 26 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: there many years ago, we've got a responsibility talking to 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: so many men every single day to actually change what 28 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 4: it takes. 29 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: To be a man. 30 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: And we have to go away from these nineteen eighties 31 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: and nineties thoughts and get into the real world and 32 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: understand that. 33 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: And that's our responsibility. 34 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: And you're right, boosh, Laura Bouchot, who's now in charge, 35 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: she'll make a huge She'll make a huge difference. And 36 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 4: also there's another boy called Matthew O'Reilly who's a really 37 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 4: good guy, and he'll do it as well. But it's 38 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: just going to take time. But I'm glad they gave 39 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 4: him the flick. 40 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: Well, I don't want him to get. 41 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 5: Too good, you know, I like, yeah the fast. 42 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Just like you said you were happy every time you 43 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: beat tripping, Well that happened, you know, those guys. 44 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 5: Amanda and I. How we got together as a show 45 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 5: was Andrew was sick and I filled in for a week. 46 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 5: And at the end of that week, I was so 47 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 5: depressed because I thought, this is the best ratio I've 48 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: ever done. But the dopes that run this place will 49 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 5: never see that because I'm not a big time star 50 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 5: or a nameless comedian. Yeah, and so I remember saying 51 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 5: to the time for me to beat Triple Am or 52 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 5: be on breakfast, I have to go across the road 53 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 5: and beat you guys. So I get great satisfaction whenever 54 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 5: the ratings come out and we're smashing Triple Am. 55 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: I love that. I live for that. You did it 56 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot, so I made it my business. That's their loss, 57 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: that's their loss. 58 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: You know, when we're talking about how men behave, how 59 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: men speak in public, how men actually think. I've been 60 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: very distressed at the rise of men like Andrew Tate. 61 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: There's this giant vacuum for how young boys feel and 62 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: how they're taught to behave. Andrew Tate is misogynistic and appalling. 63 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: And I don't think many people, many parents know what 64 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: their sons are looking at. What have you seen about 65 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: the messages young men are getting. 66 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 4: Well, the messages now are so easy to get. That's 67 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: the problem, you know, Like I over had my own 68 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: son listening to Andrew Tate for a while and we 69 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: had to sit. 70 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Down and adult him. 71 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: We had to be a parent for a few weeks 72 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 4: there to make him understand what sort of filth that 73 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 4: bloke was coming up with. But unfortunately these young kids 74 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: it's so easy to find this information now they feel 75 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: attached to him in some way. 76 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: And is this because they see softer men as being weak? 77 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 78 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: So how do we change that? 79 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Well, generation by generation, and I suppose that's what we do. 80 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: It. Gotcha for Life is letting blokes know that it's 81 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 4: the different set of rules. Now what it takes to 82 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: be a boy to be a man. You've got sons yourself, 83 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 4: and you'd understand this. At the end of the day. 84 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 4: It is the most important thing to be real and 85 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: to be human, which means you feel all the feels. 86 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: And that's pretty much what Gotcha for Life is all 87 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: about building that emotional muscle so you can have a 88 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 4: conversation of gravity rather than just living in this BS 89 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 4: sort of banter land where people are just talking nonsense 90 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: just for the sake of it and filling up the words, 91 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: filling up the day with words which just make no 92 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: sense at all. 93 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm about. 94 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: But it's going to take time, I reckon slightly, but 95 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: sure we are getting better. 96 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: But as you say you target, you have to target 97 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: younger and younger, which is why you've written a kid's book. 98 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. We've been at Gotcha for Life now for 99 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: nine years. The last year or so we're focused on 100 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: primary schools and primary schools. We've got schools now doing 101 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,559 Speaker 4: mentally fit primary schools. 102 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Which is fantastic piloting with us. 103 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: Many schools in the Sydney area that would be listening now, 104 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: And this little book just sort of adds to that. 105 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: And this boy's not having a particularly good day, and 106 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 4: he just builds and builds and builds and holds onto 107 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: these emotions and then eventually he says to his dad, 108 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: I've had a tough day, and shows some real emotion 109 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 4: and cries, and then everything gets better. It doesn't mean 110 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 4: we burst into tears every five minutes or have deep 111 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 4: and meaningful conversations all the time, but just to be 112 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: able to be emotional, to be human. So many men, 113 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: Jones you of our age, have told me that their 114 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: emotional tap was turned off in the primary school at 115 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: the age of five, six or seven. They showed emotion 116 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: and someone said something to them. They felt so much shame, 117 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 4: so much guilt, They felt so bad They'll go I'm 118 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: never going to feel that way again. So all of 119 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: a sudden we shove everything down. 120 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but those shows I married at first 121 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: sight when the women say I want someone who's vulnerable 122 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: and strong, and in a minute a man shows vulnerability, 123 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: do they time to man up? 124 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? 125 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: So women aren't. 126 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 5: But also when a man shows strength as well, like 127 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 5: if you speak directly, you can also at the same 128 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 5: time be accused of being a bully. 129 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: And it's tricky. It's tricky. 130 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: It's a fine line. 131 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: It certainly is a fine line. And you're right. 132 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: And those shows as well, I mean I ban those 133 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: shows as well, like most of them are absolutely rubbish. 134 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I've actually gone on dating shows. 135 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 4: As me looking like me, and we sit in front 136 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: of like ten girls and you have two minutes to 137 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: chat and I've got blokes next to me that look 138 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: like models. At the end of the two minutes, they go, 139 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: I want to date you me rather than. 140 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: This other blake. And they're looking at me, going why 141 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: would they want to date you? I go, because I'm 142 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: real and I'm faired income. That's what girls really want 143 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. 144 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: They want someone who, of course you need to be 145 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: strong and not bursting into tears all the time, but 146 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: to show that you're human is absolutely what it's all about, 147 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: and that's what women want and blokes need to be 148 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 4: more like that. But we've been shoved it down our 149 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: throat all our lives to man up and shut up. Well, 150 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 4: it's time to man up and speak up. And that's 151 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do with this book and the 152 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: work at gotcha. 153 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 5: Good on you, mate, I love the book. It's a 154 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: great story. I like when he gets a bitten on 155 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 5: the bum. 156 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: By a platypus, it can happen to. 157 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: Take ship lands on his foot. Of me, he's not 158 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: having a good time. 159 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 5: This is just Gus Walland's weekend. 160 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: I want to congratulate you guys too on just all 161 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: your success and so thanks. 162 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 5: So I'll tell that to the executives a triple M. 163 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: Well, very hard boys right here, and the view here 164 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 4: is beautiful and you've got a beautiful show and great 165 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: loyal listeners. 166 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: The future is gold for us. Mate, Thank you, well done, 167 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for joining us. 168 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: Gus Waller and check out the book Boys Do Cry, 169 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 5: available now.