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Speaker 1: Podcast anything.

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Speaker 2: Now, if anybody's watched a little bit of this show recently,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be interested in this.

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Speaker 1: This is the juice.

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Speaker 3: There's been a change in the law, something about community standards.

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Speaker 2: What about community standards?

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Speaker 1: Apparently New York has not.

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Speaker 2: That's Jake Gyllen Hall and James Franco doing some of

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Speaker 2: their best work on HBO Woods And that's a steamy,

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Speaker 2: steamy show. And so we've got one of the most

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Speaker 2: interesting characters I reckon we've ever had on this show.

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Speaker 2: Joins us right now, particularly when we're talking sex in Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: you need what they call an intimacy coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So enter Alisha Rhodis. Welcome to Will and Woody.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Alicia, first question, can you just clarify for us

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Speaker 4: what it is that an intimacy coordinator does?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in general, I am there to coordinate hyper exposed

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Speaker 3: scenes see that of nudity or simulated facts. I work

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Speaker 3: as a liaison between actors and production, as a choreographer

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Speaker 3: and as an advocate.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, it sounds so saucy, mate.

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Speaker 2: Can I can I ask just like, first of all, though,

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Speaker 2: how did you get into this? Because we've done a

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Speaker 2: little bit of background work obviously on you. You apparently

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Speaker 2: did an on stage kiss at the age of fifteen.

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Speaker 2: If we're going back through your intimacy catalog here and

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Speaker 2: quote faked and orgasm at aged eighteen, So you had

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Speaker 2: that feather in your cap at that age?

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Speaker 1: Can you is this?

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Speaker 2: Like? How do they you know, do they sort of

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Speaker 2: sit you down and they audition you for to be

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Speaker 2: an intimacy coordinator? Or I mean, did somebody hook up

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Speaker 2: with you and then they were like, oh no, she's

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Speaker 2: she's she really directed me last night. She knows what

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Speaker 2: she's doing. I mean, how did you how did you

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Speaker 2: get to that to this position?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. So so first off, my

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Speaker 3: background is, you know, I came up as an actor

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Speaker 3: and as a performer. You know, from the time I

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Speaker 3: was around like fifteen sixteen, I was often cast as

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Speaker 3: the slutty best friend character.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that.

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Speaker 3: Was often what I was what I was cast as.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have different types that people get cast in,

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Speaker 3: and that's what I had and where and some of

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Speaker 3: them had a really good experience and some of them

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a great experience, and a lot of

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Speaker 3: it was silence around it. There was no conversation around

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Speaker 3: what it was exactly we were going to be doing,

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Speaker 3: what the boundaries were.

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Speaker 2: So you'd rock up on a set, you know that

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Speaker 2: you're doing a sex scene, but no one's briefing you

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Speaker 2: as to what the parameters around the six scene. Now

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Speaker 2: you don't know what the boundaries are, you don't know

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Speaker 2: what the syfe woods. You just kind of like get

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Speaker 2: in there and just give it a go with someone

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Speaker 2: I assume that you'd never really meant.

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Speaker 3: Before, right right, and you know there's there. It's really

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable for even the director or whoever it was that

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Speaker 3: was putting together the scene to really talk about it,

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Speaker 3: because you know, they're in a position where they don't

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Speaker 3: want to be asking you to be bringing your actual sexuality.

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Speaker 3: They want you to be bringing the sexuality of the

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Speaker 3: character versus you. And you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: shame around even talking about sex, So asking someone to

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Speaker 3: perform something like that, there just wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 3: tools available. I started working in stunts. I was a

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Speaker 3: fight director and working in on stage violence, and I noticed,

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Speaker 3: you know, on stage violence and on camera violence would

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Speaker 3: be choreographed to a tee. But we'd get and then

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Speaker 3: I think back to any of the intimate moments that

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Speaker 3: I had, and I was like, where was someone to

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Speaker 3: advocate for me?

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Speaker 1: Then chat? Wow, all right, well Alicia's started with this.

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Speaker 1: This is a fascinating chat. We're gonna have more with Lasia.

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Speaker 1: Wrote is brought up next.

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Speaker 2: We're having a fascinating chat with Alisia Rtius who joins

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Speaker 2: is right now.

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Speaker 1: She's over in the US, Lisha, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Alisha is an intimacy coordinator over in Hollywood working on

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Speaker 2: season two of HBOS The Juice, which is James Franco

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Speaker 2: Jake Gillenhall. Huge show there, mate, But Maggie Gillen, Maggie Jillen,

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Speaker 2: Jake's not around there though. You know they're brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 2: They might might be on set. Does Jake rock up

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Speaker 2: to set, Alisha? Uh?

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Speaker 3: Not while I was there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sure? But you know you didn't have to shoot me

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Speaker 1: down there, Alicia, You couldn't just run. I did a

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Speaker 1: question about it all the Juice though, Alisha.

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Speaker 4: So you were talking before before the song there about

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Speaker 4: how action scenes so closely choreographed. So the sex scenes

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Speaker 4: that we're seeing now in shows like The Juice, like

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Speaker 4: how much of it is choreographed? Like, is every single

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Speaker 4: hand movement, every every grope for want of a better word,

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Speaker 4: is that all choreograph? Are they following like a dance routine?

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Speaker 3: You know, it really depends on the situation. There are

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Speaker 3: sometimes where an actor or director will want to get,

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Speaker 3: you know, down to the nitty gritty specific and then

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Speaker 3: there are sometimes that we want to keep certain things open,

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Speaker 3: But we always discuss what the boundaries are so that regardless,

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Speaker 3: we know it's safe because we find that then one

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Speaker 3: everyone no one's getting hurt. And also we find people

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Speaker 3: do their best work when they feel safe and feel

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Speaker 3: they can get.

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Speaker 2: Those Because I was gonna ask, like it is obviously,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to navigate this, but I've had

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Speaker 2: friends that have been actors and actresses before and being

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Speaker 2: in very steamy says and you know, girls can find

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Speaker 2: it easier to hide the fact that they're turned on.

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Speaker 2: But guys, there's a presence, How does that work? Is

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Speaker 2: that just a chat beforehand between the actors?

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not gonna lie. We will have a

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Speaker 3: conversation about it, you know, because there's you know, this

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Speaker 3: can this happens to anyone regardless of what kind of

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Speaker 3: genitals you have about the reaction can occur and someone

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Speaker 3: doesn't even have to be turned on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true for someone to have.

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Speaker 3: A reaction like yeah, So it's more a conversation normalizing it,

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Speaker 3: even having you know, a little bit of a laugh

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Speaker 3: around it, but just you know, normalizing that it's uh,

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Speaker 3: it's okay. And if people are are up against each other,

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Speaker 3: we make sure that they have something between them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: Are we talking like like when you get next ray

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Speaker 2: and you wear one of those like lead waist.

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Speaker 1: Belts or how strong is yours? We need lead?

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Speaker 4: Do you you will need some kevlar body armor for

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Speaker 4: most people.

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Speaker 1: It's a small pillow, but it's a standard plank of wood.

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Speaker 3: It will I will, I will take that note down.

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Speaker 1: Nothing can hold will down.

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Speaker 4: I think we've probably gone into it enough.

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Speaker 2: Final question for you later because I know we mentioned

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Speaker 2: before Bridget and it's obviously being you know, watched. I

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Speaker 2: think it's Netflix's most watched show ev which is just massive,

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Speaker 2: and it's obviously riddled with sex sayings.

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Speaker 1: Do you look at it and critake it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I can't help you know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: when you work in a certain faction of the industry,

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Speaker 3: you can help. But when you see it in movies

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Speaker 3: or on TV, that of course you're You're thinking, you know,

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Speaker 3: my head is trained to the side, and I'm going, oh, oh,

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Speaker 3: interesting choice there. I wonder how that went.

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Speaker 4: What's your Alicia, what's what's your what's your favorite sex

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Speaker 4: saint of old time?

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Speaker 1: Like of all Hollywood films, what's the one way?

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Speaker 2: You go?

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Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, they nailed the choreography in that one.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, you're putting me on the spot here. I

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Speaker 3: will say I am a big fan of a lot

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Speaker 3: of the bridget In sex scenes. And if I may

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Speaker 3: give a shout out to Lizzy Talbot, who was the

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Speaker 3: intimacy coordinator, My good friend Lizzy Talbot, tip of the cat,

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Speaker 3: because I think they did absolutely and to enter those

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Speaker 3: performers as well. What did you all think? Did you

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Speaker 3: think they did well?

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Speaker 4: I thought John parj Rag was incredibly sexy, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I thought his and I'm not sure whether this is

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Speaker 4: something that goes on in your mind, Alisia, but I

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Speaker 4: thought his flexibility could have been better at certain stages,

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Speaker 4: like do you get frustrated that you've choreographed as said,

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Speaker 4: and you go, you know what, Paj just can't get

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Speaker 4: his leg up there.

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Speaker 1: Thode, So where's the hip flexibility? Alicia?

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Speaker 2: All of it has just been totally eye opening and

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Speaker 2: completely enthralling. So thank you for shedding a light on

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Speaker 2: a part of the industry that I think everybody has

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Speaker 2: always asked the question about but had no idea about.

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Speaker 2: This has been a fascinating chat from top to toe

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Speaker 2: in that respect, So thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: We really really appreciate it. Here on William see what

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