Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast. You're with Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: And there's two types of people in the world, those
Speaker 2: that entertain and those that observe. That's what Britney Spears
Speaker 2: said two thousand and seven. She meant it, and she mean,
Speaker 2: she really meant and she was right Pinopticon state manifest
Speaker 2: in that woman. There's also two types of people when
Speaker 2: it comes to dining out or eating out if you will, But.
Speaker 1: We won't get into that. We won't get into that.
Speaker 3: Sony.
Speaker 2: I was at to dinner with some friends the other night,
Speaker 2: four of us, right, good friends. We go out for
Speaker 2: dinner every quarter, and I just thought, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: pay for the bill this time, not the whole thing,
Speaker 2: not the whole thing, pay for it.
Speaker 1: Knowing that they're gonna give you the money back, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then it comes to do you want to leave a tip?
Speaker 2: And I thought, I'm gonna have to because the guy's
Speaker 2: next to me, and he was very nice and agree
Speaker 2: to me. So I added another little two dollars, Well
Speaker 2: two dollar, my man, he'll crumb.
Speaker 3: The ons was hanging out the bottom of your back
Speaker 3: the last sixty.
Speaker 2: Years gone on it, but it got me thinking, like
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna have to pay me back. Let's say I
Speaker 2: did a ten dollar tip.
Speaker 1: Does that?
Speaker 2: Does that go into the corn that they have to pay?
Speaker 2: Who has to pay for the tip?
Speaker 1: On top?
Speaker 3: I hate this because it's my relationship to tipping and
Speaker 3: any kind of money or into things that it comes to.
Speaker 3: Entertainment's nonsensical, right, Even I only started properly, like ordering
Speaker 3: drinks like alcoholic beverages out to dinner last year. Before then,
Speaker 3: when the bill would come, I'd split evenly. I don't
Speaker 3: want to deal with that. Just split it, split it,
Speaker 3: split split it, babe, Because number one, I like treating people,
Speaker 3: and if I'm going out to eat dinner with you,
Speaker 3: I probably like you quite a bit, like we're friends.
Speaker 3: So I don't mind doing that. However, matching general energy
Speaker 3: with stingy energy is very interesting because yes, in theory,
Speaker 3: if we're if we're doing a tip, I mean you
Speaker 3: pressed the button. It was your decision, so maybe that
Speaker 3: that was on you, that was the two dollars that
Speaker 3: was on you. But let's say you're gonna split it
Speaker 3: four ways, have having to fix your tongue and teeth
Speaker 3: to say, hey, everyone, just an extra forty seven cents
Speaker 3: to go on the head, because if we're getting out
Speaker 3: the calculator, if we're getting out the calculator, it's too
Speaker 3: much maths for the occasion. If I'm now hearing the
Speaker 3: paper scrunch has been passed around the table, no, no,
Speaker 3: but how it is?
Speaker 2: You know it's fifty dollars forty two cents each and
Speaker 2: I paid for it?
Speaker 1: Do I round down? And do I round up? Do
Speaker 1: I round down to fifty?
Speaker 3: Splitting it four ways? Everybody owes you twelve dollars fifty
Speaker 3: and you're paying the extra forty seven cents?
Speaker 1: Yes, I say, well that was quick maths.
Speaker 3: I'm actually quite smart.
Speaker 2: So you round it up though, like you're losing out
Speaker 2: about twelve cents all over.
Speaker 3: Realistically, though, I think that restaurants should be figuring this
Speaker 3: out for us, because I've had a couple of weird situations, okay,
Speaker 3: And I don't know if this is a personal beef
Speaker 3: I have with man waiters. I don't know what it is,
Speaker 3: But why am I on dates or hanging out with men?
Speaker 3: And then you come at the end and say, how
Speaker 3: are we paying? Everyone? Whose side are you on because
Speaker 3: because now now we're looking at me, I'm looking at them,
Speaker 3: and this happens. It's like a three second interaction. But
Speaker 3: you could have just brought the f POS machine with
Speaker 3: the bill printed and placed it in front of this
Speaker 3: gentle king who would definitely be paying if you had
Speaker 3: not posed the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a leading question.
Speaker 3: It's a leading question. So now I got to jump
Speaker 3: in and be like, okay, cool, we'll split. I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that, and I wanted to masculating. This
Speaker 3: king to my right doesn't want to split, but unfortunately
Speaker 3: you've left us no choice. Now eve embarrassed us. We
Speaker 3: look frugal.
Speaker 1: Let's frival flex into the chat.
Speaker 3: It's disappointing and I don't want to do it. So
Speaker 3: this is a p s A. If you work at
Speaker 3: a service based place that involves splitting bills and there
Speaker 3: is something that looks like could be romantic, put the
Speaker 3: bill in front of the man.
Speaker 1: Put it down. Okay, I don't.
Speaker 3: Care what you want to say about gender roles in
Speaker 3: front of the man and we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1: What about the same sex relationship?
Speaker 3: Put the bill? Okay? This is what you should do
Speaker 3: if you're not quite sure. Put the put the FPOs
Speaker 3: machine and the bill dead center, facing left or right,
Speaker 3: not facing anyone. It's like a standoff. He's gonna grab first.
Speaker 2: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: Wait, let that let that MARINATEE marinade?
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it marinate?
Speaker 2: But meaning to ask you that let that marinate?
Speaker 3: Oh? I guess you marinate with a marinade.
Speaker 1: That's it? Flex and frooms.
Speaker 3: We do have a long Am I the asshole here?
Speaker 3: But it's bound to be juicy, so as always, comprehension
Speaker 3: hats on there on listening. Ear is open open? Am
Speaker 3: I the asshole for turning around in my car when
Speaker 3: I saw that my boyfriend brought his friends with him
Speaker 3: to go on a trip with us? Already? Not the asshole.
Speaker 3: I am a thirty year old woman and I'm dating
Speaker 3: my boyfriend, let's call him Smith, who's thirty nine years old.
Speaker 3: Have been dating for eight months. We've been planning to
Speaker 3: go on a road trip, but it couldn't happen because
Speaker 3: he kept insisting that we let his two friends tag along.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to hang out with you want one?
Speaker 3: He brought it up again and promised that he won't
Speaker 3: ask me to let him bring his friends with him,
Speaker 3: since number one, I'm the one paying for the expenses,
Speaker 3: and number two it's my car, and number three, I
Speaker 3: always wanted us to go alone for once without having
Speaker 3: his friends tag along, and number four, I don't want
Speaker 3: to pay for his friends. We agreed that I come
Speaker 3: pick him up in the morning so we could go.
Speaker 3: I came in my car and entered his neighborhood. However,
Speaker 3: when I saw him standing outside with his bag and
Speaker 3: his two friends were also standing there with their bags,
Speaker 3: I was shocked and furious. I didn't pull over. I
Speaker 3: just turned around and kept driving and went back home.
Speaker 3: I saw him running after me in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 3: He then stopped and started calling me. I didn't respond
Speaker 3: till I got home. He lashed out on me on
Speaker 3: the phone, asking why the hell I turned around and left.
Speaker 3: I told him why now. I told him why and
Speaker 3: how I didn't appreciate how he basically tried to force
Speaker 3: me to take his friends with us after I said
Speaker 3: no already. He called me awful and said that I
Speaker 3: ruined the entire thing for us and acted immaturely and spitefully.
Speaker 3: He said I could have just accepted it how it is,
Speaker 3: But I told him that I would never accept being
Speaker 3: put in a situation where I'm expected to just suck
Speaker 3: it up. He hung up after young at me for
Speaker 3: a few minutes. I called back. We've got no response.
Speaker 3: WHOA He texted me about how I embarrassed him in
Speaker 3: front of his friends and is refusing to speak to
Speaker 3: me until I apologize. Am I the asshole turning around?
Speaker 3: Or did I make the right call? Can I just say?
Speaker 3: Is this giving serial killer vibes? Anyone else getting that
Speaker 3: from him and his friends? Oh? Yes, there's something thing
Speaker 3: for militia is a foot? Why is why? I just
Speaker 3: know when I feel it. My spidery senses are tingling.
Speaker 1: It's like a baby.
Speaker 2: It's like you're in the gestational period.
Speaker 3: It's a package deal. Unfortunately you didn't buy it for this,
Speaker 3: and it's like buy one, get too free. But now
Speaker 3: these two things have expenses. It's a really odd situation because,
Speaker 3: like we said before, there's something about those early stages
Speaker 3: of a relationship where you want to be the ideal
Speaker 3: partner and by doing that, you present yourself as being
Speaker 3: the ideal friend to your partner's friends. We get at,
Speaker 3: we get at, but in this instance, there's something so
Speaker 3: sinister about wanting to have a one on one getaway
Speaker 3: with your boo. You're having to pay and drive. We
Speaker 3: won't get into it different conversation, but your boo insisting
Speaker 3: that his two friends come along, and then when you
Speaker 3: say no multiple times, instead of just heating that on
Speaker 3: the day when you got to pick him up in
Speaker 3: your car that you pay for to get on a
Speaker 3: trip that you're paying for, his two friends are just
Speaker 3: their bags in hand. What do they think is happening?
Speaker 2: I think we said before the break that there is
Speaker 2: a cereal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want killing, No, something sinister, something sinister for.
Speaker 2: Me, I'm getting visions of Blair Witch project.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if it's not on that vein of sinister,
Speaker 3: I just think that while you may think you're doing
Speaker 3: boyfriend and girlfriend, you are his payday. Like he's just like,
Speaker 3: I've got a situation here. She pays for everything. She's
Speaker 3: really down, no problem, just come on this trip. It'll
Speaker 3: be hilarious. We'll go to this fun place, have a
Speaker 3: boy's weekend. Yeah, yeah, she'll be there. She'll be there,
Speaker 3: but she'll pay for everything. And that's what's going on.
Speaker 3: That's not your boyfriend. You said thirty nine and he's
Speaker 3: you're thirty. Yeah, and you're paying for the trip. That's
Speaker 3: not your boyfriend.
Speaker 1: You got the short stick of everything.
Speaker 3: You're babysitting. You have a child that sucks. I don't
Speaker 3: want to say dump him, but you're not the asshole
Speaker 3: for sure. But definitely do some stock take because if
Speaker 3: this feels like the way that you've written this, am
Speaker 3: I the asshole feels like you're used to this caliber
Speaker 3: of weirdness, and that's worrying me. This is becoming a
Speaker 3: regular occurrence for you.
Speaker 2: I love the vision of her driving away and him
Speaker 2: running up. That's I Oh, I would relish in that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Thatita flex and fromes flex and fromes.
Speaker 3: Question of the Day? Is Netflix going extinct? Yes or no?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 3: Nop oh.
Speaker 1: And that's not just because you've got stock for.
Speaker 3: Look, a few things have happened in the last I
Speaker 3: don't know, two years or so, since you know the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, let's not go into that. The prices going up. Yes,
Speaker 3: they've introduced a cheaper option with ads as refining. Is
Speaker 3: that why we don't have regular TV? Because the streaming
Speaker 3: ones don't have ads. I don't want to talk about
Speaker 3: it the options on the actual platform, So so I
Speaker 3: know there's a catalog of like a bajillion things, but
Speaker 3: whatever they send to me, it's derivative. It's the same
Speaker 3: thing in different so I've seen it. And also their
Speaker 3: heaps of competition last year to do a stock take.
Speaker 3: You know, you got look at your little statements. Your
Speaker 3: money is going out. I just start sharing logins, I said,
Speaker 3: I don't need to pay for my own Disney Plus. Okay,
Speaker 3: we can collab on this one, babes. And that's what
Speaker 3: is happening currently with Netflix. They're cracking down on password sharing.
Speaker 3: They say they estimate that of all the people subscribing
Speaker 3: to Netflix currently, they're about three to five extra people
Speaker 3: have access to that one account. Obviously giving back to
Speaker 3: the community. Now they fear that they're losing out on revenue.
Speaker 3: Obviously that feels like a no brainer. So what they're
Speaker 3: proposing is that every month you get automatically logged out
Speaker 3: of Netflix, and you have to log back into your
Speaker 3: own Netflix account on your IP or whatever that is
Speaker 3: with the same IP address, so they know that you
Speaker 3: are the sole owner and the sole user of that account.
Speaker 3: But fear not. If you want to share your password,
Speaker 3: you can for a small fee. What's the fee?
Speaker 1: Listening? You're piscing me off, You're piscing me right off.
Speaker 3: It's you know, we've talked about subscriptions before, which was
Speaker 3: like an odd phrase to say, but we talked about
Speaker 3: I think it was BMW who was offering subscriptions to
Speaker 3: unlock certain parts of your car, like the heated steering wheel,
Speaker 3: so insane, and like the back lights or whatever. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but it's becoming more of this, you know.
Speaker 3: What's that saying? Like, you know, the future of the
Speaker 3: way we see the world is that you'll own You'll
Speaker 3: own nothing and be happy. Like the idea of ownership
Speaker 3: is going to be so dystopian, so such a thing
Speaker 3: of the past, because now we're paying a subscription to
Speaker 3: have access to watch these things. We don't own them,
Speaker 3: we get to watch them. And now if I want
Speaker 3: someone else to watch them, we're gonna pay again for
Speaker 3: the same thing that I'm already paying for to watch.
Speaker 1: That's me and my rent And.
Speaker 3: What have I got multiple devices?
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. Does your phone have a different.
Speaker 3: Ib because you know she got two phones and a
Speaker 3: TV Ana Mac.
Speaker 1: You might be going Karen on this one.
Speaker 3: It's hitting a spot, it's hitting a spot. I just
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, I how do I say it?
Speaker 3: I just feel like Netflix is forgetting themselves. You're not
Speaker 3: the only one anymore. We have options, you know, lucky
Speaker 3: for them. I'm not pirrating. I'm paying my subscriptions. But
Speaker 3: if I got to do Netflix, Stan, Binge, Disney plus,
Speaker 3: what else we got thrilled? Whatever? That one ism Fox.
Speaker 1: Tell Prime Prime, that's the one. It's too much, too.
Speaker 3: Bread would but realistically one's got to go, and clearly
Speaker 3: it's this one that's acting or Karen on us. I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry. I'm so sorry. You need to shed the
Speaker 3: Karen Netflix and remember where you came from.
Speaker 2: I gotta say I love the Pamela doc. But I'm
Speaker 2: not a massive Netflix user. I'll watch Sex and the
Speaker 2: City every night. That's a little binge moment.
Speaker 3: These sentences that don't really start or end.
Speaker 2: Nah, I will say, still love Netflix, definitely. This is
Speaker 2: a bump in the road.
Speaker 3: It's a small bump, but let's acknowledge it now and
Speaker 3: let's not get out of hand. And I would prefer
Speaker 3: do everything at once, give me, the price hype, with
Speaker 3: the prastpert, with the whatever, don't piece milk, don't piece milkau.
Speaker 3: I'm getting comfortable and then I go back onto my
Speaker 3: login and I'm like, why am I logged out? You
Speaker 3: know what's not fun to do? Log in on a
Speaker 3: Samsung frame. It's not a premium experience. I'm using the
Speaker 3: remote click click click. It's not sexy. You need the
Speaker 3: voice to text, truly, but I haven't set that up. Damn,
Speaker 3: I haven't set it up. It'll change not using any
Speaker 3: of the smart functions. Do I use the frame of
Speaker 3: the art? No, I don't want to do that anyway.
Speaker 3: I've had enough.
Speaker 2: Flex And from the other day, Flex, you post a
Speaker 2: question on your Instagram. Of course, it was a how
Speaker 2: do I say a philosophal philosophic philosophical that sounds like me.
Speaker 1: It was a.
Speaker 2: Philosophical question mark with multiple layers, quite like an onion.
Speaker 2: You are asking, correct me if I'm wrong, whether or
Speaker 2: not you can still be yourself without your garnishes, without
Speaker 2: your little seasonings, your clothes, your.
Speaker 3: Jewelry maker, your aesthetic, your genre used to subscribed to visually.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it got me thinking.
Speaker 2: About this phenomena, phenomenon.
Speaker 1: I put it, I put it.
Speaker 2: I put a video up the other day about how
Speaker 2: Bunning's always when you go to Bunnings need to pooh,
Speaker 2: and I was saying phenomena throughout the video because I
Speaker 2: thought it sounded funnier than phenomenon. Then Instagram decides to
Speaker 2: boost the video, so it's going viral and every man
Speaker 2: and his dog saying phenomenon.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenon.
Speaker 3: What's the difference?
Speaker 1: Do I look like down?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's something we care about it?
Speaker 2: Seriously, I got shit love, I'm not thinking about phenomena anyway.
Speaker 2: This is kind of similar to that thing about if
Speaker 2: you take everything away.
Speaker 1: It's called white torture.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: White torture, which is also referred to as white room torture,
Speaker 2: is a psychological torture technique aimed at complete sensory deprivation
Speaker 2: and isolation. A prisoner is held in a cell that
Speaker 2: deprives them of all their senses and identity. It's particularly
Speaker 2: used in Iran. However, there is also evidence of it
Speaker 2: used by the Venezuelan and the United States Intelligence Services.
Speaker 3: Okay, so she's reading from an article.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've never read it before.
Speaker 3: It's the first time she'd seen it Livealen Price, Army
Speaker 3: Force Corporation.
Speaker 1: No, okay. So visually, the prisoner is deprived of all color.
Speaker 2: Their cell is completely white, the walls, floor, ceiling, as
Speaker 2: well as their clothes and their food that would cook me.
Speaker 2: Neon tubes are positioned above the occupant in such a
Speaker 2: way that no shadows appear.
Speaker 1: Ooh, this is ominous.
Speaker 2: Auditorially, the cell is soundproof, avoid of any sound, voices
Speaker 2: or social interaction. Guards stand in silence, wearing padded shoes
Speaker 2: to avoid making any noise. Prisoners cannot hear anything but themselves.
Speaker 2: In terms of taste and smell, the prisoner is fed
Speaker 2: white food, classically unseasoned rice to deprive them of these senses. Further,
Speaker 2: all surfaces smooth, rubbing.
Speaker 1: Them of the sensation of touch.
Speaker 2: Detainees are held for months or even years. The effects
Speaker 2: of white torture are well documented in a number of testimonials. Typically,
Speaker 2: prisoners will become depersonalized by losing personal identity for extended
Speaker 2: periods of isolation. They also get hallucinations and psychotic breaks.
Speaker 2: Would you survive.
Speaker 3: Up until the point where you said only smooth services.
Speaker 3: I was like, just get me a doner. I'll go
Speaker 3: light in the corner in a little ball ma douna
Speaker 3: on top of my face. But without that, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I could do it. I need the dona.
Speaker 2: When they said no shadows, that's when it started eating
Speaker 2: different for me. It would kind of be like living
Speaker 2: in heaven. That's hell, like a heaven affied hell.
Speaker 3: I just need a visual. I just think it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's exactly what I was saying before. It's like the
Speaker 3: absence of all the stuff leaves you with yourself, and
Speaker 3: that's too much. It's too much to see, it's too
Speaker 3: much to acknowledge. You kind of need the flavor of
Speaker 3: color and furniture and aesthetic and vibe to fill in
Speaker 3: the gap, so you don't have to every day. Shouldn't
Speaker 3: be that referential. I shouldn't only have to hear my
Speaker 3: breathing to function. I've had enough. But thank you for
Speaker 3: sharing that my pleasure. Thank you for reading that article
Speaker 3: for the first time together on air. It's called white torture.
Speaker 3: You've got a reference survivor Big Brothers. They've done it
Speaker 3: plenty of times.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of it. I just did that
Speaker 1: right for you. I thought you'd love it.
Speaker 3: I did that right for you.
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