1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Right. 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm really pumped for this guest, Samantha van Dort. 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: I've said that perfectly, haven't I. I realized I just 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: need to evening and check it. As I said it. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: You are a fertility natural path. You specialize in women's 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: health yep, and you're my fertility natropy. So I'm pumped 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: to have you on because you've just very recently helped 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: me through my first ever IBF cycle. So first of all, 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: how on earth did you get into neutropathy through the 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: lens of fertility? Oh? 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: Look, I've always loved the idea of neutropathies, so it 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 3: wasn't my first degree. I did science first, but then 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: I did go into neutropathy. But then I ended up 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: in women's health after having so many of my own issues, 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: So you know, look, I had my first laparoscopy, which 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: everyone would know that has gunny issues is. 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: Can you say what a laproscopy is? 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a laparoscopy is when they do keyhole surgery 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: to put a camera in there to see what's going 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: on looking for endometriosis or got other things along those 27 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 3: lines that you can't see in an ultrasound. Yeah. So 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 3: I had my first when I was thirteen, so always wow. Yeah, 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: I've always had some pretty big issues going on. So 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 3: from there, you know, I ended up having a life 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: of different sort of gynecological problems and yeah, my and 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: then ended up with fertility issues as well. 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: So you were like, all, right, stuff this, I am 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: going to learn about this thing that is affecting me 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: or myself. And then obviously going down the natural route, 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you were like, hey, this can really work nicely alongside yeah, 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: the orthodox medicine, and that was kind of where it 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: came from. Yeah. Absolutely. 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: So when I was around twenty six, I grew a 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: really large cyst or what they decided was a tumor 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: after they went in and it removed it, but at 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: the time they went in to do surgery and I 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: didn't realize I was actually going to take my ovary. 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 3: They didn't explain that to me. Maybe I was twenty 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: six and I wasn't really listening. I'm not sure. So 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 3: I had my first left overy removed at the age 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: of twenty six because of tumors, and so the doctor 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: at the time was like, oh, look, that was a 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 3: once off. It was a really strange tumor. We've never 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: seen anything like it again, It's never going to happen. 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: Just go away, live your life. 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 4: You'll be fine. It never happened again. 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: Did you still ovulate as normal and get a period? 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so always vulating, always getting a period because I 56 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: have and I had endometriosis, which quite commonly you'll always 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: be on time with endometritois. You like to have ovulation 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: with edometrosis generally speaking, and so you know, I thought, well, 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: that doesn't sound quite right that that just happened randomly. 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: Being a naturopath, I put my naturopathic hat on and 61 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: sort of went through my lifestyle, my diet and changed 62 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: a few things for that. But then two years later, 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: the same thing happened on my right ovary. Oh mate, yeah, 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: so look it was circumstances that were living in Asia 65 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: at the time. And there's quite a few xenoestrogens in 66 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: the lifestyle there because you're drinking from plastic bottles constantly 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: and so yes, exactly. And what I didn't realize we're 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: living in Thailand, but I didn't realize till halfway through 69 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: living there that every time they fry they use so 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: being oil. And whether that was where I was living 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: or the whole of Thailand, I'm not sure. 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: But and is that a polyon sat trade of fat 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: sour shouldn't be heated? 74 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And then what's worse is that actually keep 75 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: it and reheat it the next day. 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 77 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: So a friend of mine runs a restaurant where we 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: were living, and she's like, yeah, we use it consistently. 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, single use yeah yeah raw ideally, yes exactly. 80 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 3: So anyway, that triggered off, I think the second cyst, 81 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: and then again almost lost my other ovary so. 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: Mate, so that would have had a fertility impact on. 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 4: You, right, yeah, massive. 84 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: I mean we flew home and as soon as I 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 3: got home it burst. So we flew home to see 86 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: gynocologists here. I'd seen gynocologists in Thailand, but I wanted 87 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: to come home. Yeah, and he was a fantastic surgeon, 88 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: so it was a different surgeon from the first one. 89 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: He spent six hours and saved a. 90 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Small amount of tissue of my ride ovary. 91 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: Ah. 92 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: So he was amazing, absolutely very skillful, absolutely amazing, and 93 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: he you know, got a second surgeon in to help him. 94 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: He was so good. 95 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: But after that, they were running on the fertility tests 96 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: like ah, and there weren't as many back then because 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: this is a little while ago, but my AMH was 98 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: less than two. Yeah, okay, so then you know, then 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: I had to go on that journey of if I 100 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: want kids, how am I going to do it? 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: And did you you did go through iba? 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: No, I'm unfortunately I was not a candidate for it 103 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: because I grow my sists or tumors from hormones. 104 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Dude, So you would have been if you did it, 105 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: you would have been injecting and kind of like grow, 106 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: like making your making way way way worse. 107 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: Correct. 108 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: Oh n. 109 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 3: So he was very aware of that, and he said, looking, 110 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: and I have to go down an egg yeah, which 111 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: would have been fine, but I put my naturopathic cap 112 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: on again and sost a lot of sort of advice 113 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: from lots of different people in the industry, and within 114 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: three months I was pregnant naturally. Yeah. 115 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: Mate, Hey wow, I'm so glad because, like I was 116 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: saying right before we hit record, you're my naturopath, I'm 117 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: your client. So it kind of feels weird because you're 118 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: always helping me and so I've never known your story 119 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: per se, So thank you. 120 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 4: For sharing that with it pleasure. 121 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: So I came to you very naive and just off 122 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: the back of being in LA and being like, oh, okay, 123 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm about to turn thirty seven, like I really want 124 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: to be an actor and chase this career dream. It's 125 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: going to take a while. And that was when I 126 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: spoke to I think our mutual beautiful friend, Jad Patrick, 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: who's also been on the pod, a wonderful natural path 128 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: and counselor, said you got to talk to Sam and 129 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: so that's how we got connected. But you have taught 130 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: me so so much, and I don't even know where 131 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: I want to start, but I think we need to 132 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: start with even like that first consolet where I was like, 133 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I've got dreams to chase. Yeah, yeah, and You're like cool, cool, cool, cool, 134 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: let's get some blood test slola. Yeah. And so I've 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: also got an epic GP environ that was like, I 136 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: will make sure that we can get all these blood 137 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: tests for you, and she was really on board me 138 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: working with you too, which I loved, as was my 139 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: fertility specialist. So that's what's really cool. I imagine you 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: work with fertility specialists like hand in hand quite a bit. 141 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, absolutely when invited to. Yeah, no, totally. 142 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: I get that the two worlds they're so complimentary of 143 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: one another though, Like I can see how they work 144 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: so synthistically together. 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely. 146 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: And I think the more and more research moving forward, 147 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: it is starting to include lots of natural medicine research 148 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: alongside IVF research, which is wonderful. 149 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: I think I told you after my first consult with 150 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: my fertility specialst He's like, I want you on high 151 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: dose cochi tent straight away. He just had an email 152 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: going how do his Cokie tent? And I want you on? 153 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: And I was told straight off the bat, and I 154 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: was like done for the last two and a half months. 155 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, we're already on it. 156 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: And that's what we want to talk to you about, 157 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: is like let's start with yes, we're coming about this. 158 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: So for disclosure, off anyone listening. I've just gone through 159 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: an IVF cycle before recording this, and my partner and 160 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: I chose to freeze embryos. And you're very aware that 161 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: that was kind of our goal going in. Are you 162 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: cool to talk about the difference between freezing embryos and eggs? 163 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: If not, I can talk about it. 164 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean what lot of area were you 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: thinking just in terms of. 166 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 4: The success rate? 167 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, So, look, there is much greater success if 168 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: you can freeze an embryo over via rather than just eggs. 169 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: Let's research and facilities and the equipment they use is 170 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: coming along every day. But you're still better off if 171 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: you can freeze an embryo. You're better off. 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: Because the egg that's the embryologists to tell me, eggs 173 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: are super high and water correct and so they don't 174 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: love that thawing and freezing you get. Yeah, you know, 175 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: like and I went in so naive. I was like, oooh, 176 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: we've got twenty two follicles. I'm going to get twenty 177 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: two eggs, And to the point that we changed my 178 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: consent form right before I went in for the procedure, 179 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, if I wanted to X amount 180 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: of eggs to be fertilized, and if there's a surplus 181 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: of at least six and those eggs are going to 182 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: be put on, I separate to them. And I went 183 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: in so naive. But I didn't even think that when 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: you do an egg collection that some might be immature, 185 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: that some might be abnormal, that they can't get to 186 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: some because it's in a really dangerous spot near an artery. 187 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Like there are so many variables that you don't often 188 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: learn about until you're in it right. 189 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: Correct, and also your specialists would come across all those 190 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: variables that he didn't know we're going to crop up either. 191 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: Of course, everyone's individual unfortunately in terms of success rate 192 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: and how many eggs you'll actually get. 193 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Totally so I remember one of the first things you 194 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: said to me. You were like, first of all, embryo's 195 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: happy days, as in a nice, strong, solid plan. You're 196 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: going for the kreme dela. I'm straight out of the gate. 197 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: And I was like, great, awesome doctor. Then there especially 198 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: said the exact same thing. He's like, let's get some 199 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: nice and in my words, and I know that this 200 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: is some of you don't know when I say this, 201 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: but I'm going to say it, and I know you'll 202 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: get it, and I know my special's got it. But 203 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: a bit of an insurance policy for the future. So 204 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: when you and I started working together, got all my 205 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: blood tests, and then you and I kind of started 206 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: working from there, didn't we. 207 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, So getting the baseline blood tests to make 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: sure there's nothing in particular we need to fix a 209 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: extremely low iron or extremely low vitamin D or folate 210 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: or thioid issues or autoimmune issues. So if we can 211 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: get a blanket blood test on I like to be thorough, 212 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: so yeah, most things. Yeah, then we can sort of 213 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: help the whole process along. 214 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: Awesome. And that's when kind of like preconception care. Is 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: that the worst well pre egg collection? Do you call it? 216 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 217 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I'd still call it preconception cake. I mean, 218 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 3: I know it's not, but it's kind of easy in 219 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: a way. 220 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: In a way. Yeah, my therapist was like, just look 221 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: at this like a really long pregnancy, which kind of 222 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: makes sense because if you think about it, so from 223 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: this one thing that you said to me that I 224 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: loved with this preconception, you quite like a bit of 225 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: a window before an actual IBF cycle starts, don't you? 226 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: If you start taking a supplement. Let's say it's iron even. Yeah, 227 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 3: if you start taking that supplement, you're going to get 228 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: the best effect. It would be absorbed the most into 229 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: the cells at the ninety day mark. 230 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: How interesting. 231 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, So same for antioxidants and egg quality supplements and 232 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: all those type of things that also used. 233 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I said to you. I said 234 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: to you like, I don't know if I told you 235 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: in the third or something session, but like my nails 236 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: were like I looked like I had false nails on. 237 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I've just I'm holding my mouse up to Sam. Now, 238 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I got them to cut them in half length wise. 239 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: I was like, and they're still mighty long, mate? Is 240 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: that all the Would that be all like the ZIN 241 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: and all the stuff in all the prenatal care that 242 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: we were working. 243 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely can be, particularly if you're low in anything. 244 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: So if you're low and zinc, you know absolutely. 245 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: I've kept it all in my plan, mate, I'm still 246 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: on it. 247 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: All excellent. 248 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: So what are some other because I know you work lifestyle, 249 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: herbal mad nutritional supplements, they're kind of like your gamut 250 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: of awesome modalities, right, yes, correct? So what are some 251 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: simplest like takeaways for people, is it like, okay, cut 252 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: the booze out that three month out like what I know? 253 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: It sounds really these questions probably seem really simple, but 254 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: like I didn't know before, so. 255 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look I know that sometimes though that basic 256 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: information isn't really available. So yes, it's definitely cutting the 257 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: booze out. Yeah, clean lifestyle. The worst thing would be smoking, 258 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: so hoping that there's no smoking or definitely cutting that 259 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 3: out or vaping, same sort of thing. Yeah, of course, drugs, 260 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: recreational drugs, anything along those lines. 261 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: Do you remember. I was like, and what about botox? 262 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: Do you remember? 263 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Ah? 264 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I do, just hold off from that one until after. 265 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like can you please hold off a couple 266 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: of more months, Lola. I was like, I'm booked for 267 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: next week and you were like, Lola, hold it off. 268 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: You look great. 269 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: But these are things that you don't know, Like, these 270 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: are things that you don't realize until you know you're 271 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: in it and you're like, oh my goodness, like yeah, 272 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: and you don't realize how easy it is for toxins 273 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: to slip into your body, like not onto your body, 274 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: but into your lifestyle. Like I'm a big perfume girl, 275 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I didn't know that perfume 276 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: is not like wearing it all the time is not 277 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: great for hormones and stuff. And I didn't know any 278 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: of this, you. 279 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, And I think that side of things, that 280 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: chemical side of things, is not well known. 281 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing that if. 282 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: You know, I can impart on anyone is to really 283 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: look into that, because things like how you cook your 284 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: food and what you cooking in can. 285 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 4: Actually the oils. 286 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: Even like we were talking about or we're just storing 287 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: food and plastic and then hating it in the microwave. 288 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: You know, that's all that shoestrogen stuff, cenoestrogens, and they 289 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: do leach into your food. It's not well known Australia, 290 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: but for instance, in the EU they've actually called it 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: a crisis of hormones from. 292 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: Cen oestrogens, like leeching from play. 293 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 3: From medc's yeah, so really yeah, and a kind disrupting chemicals, 294 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: which are just all plastics basically in all chemicals generally. 295 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, my mum would love you right now. 296 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: She's like, what is there glood wrap in this house? 297 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: And I'm like mom, and she's like, throw it away 298 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: I want using bees wax paper. I like, full on, 299 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: that's amazing and it makes total sense. So okay, so 300 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: pre care would be yeap, clean your diet up. I 301 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: imagine like think mental health too. I did mental health 302 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: stuff as you know, the whole way through, which really 303 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: helped me. But I think one thing that I didn't know. 304 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: A friend said to me, oh, IVF makes the most 305 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: same people crazy. And I was like what, and she's like, no, no, 306 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: it's a mind game. There's so much uncertainty. Plus you're 307 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: pumping yourself full of hormones, and I reckon until day 308 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: eight of injecting. I was like, what's she talking about? 309 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I am chilling and fight And then I had like 310 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: too many meltdowns and I was like, okay, these probably 311 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: were normally happens, you know. And then I think I 312 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: told you I got a bit of that hyperstimulation situations, 313 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: but like to the point that I was constantly nauseous 314 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: and my skin was tingling the whole time. And I 315 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: think that's the excess estrogen or to your estrogens sitting 316 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: really high. Correct, Yeah, and you're just like I felt 317 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: like I wasn't in my body, Like I was like, oh, 318 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: I feel constantly like I'm going to throw everything up, 319 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: not in like I've never been pregnant, but didn't feel 320 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: like it was like something wasn't right in my body, 321 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: that kind of feeling. Does that make sense? 322 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 323 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely almost. 324 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: Just it was just an overload obviously of that particular 325 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 3: hormone that that we're using. 326 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. No fun, no, no fun, no fun and so dangerous. Yes, 327 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: So hyper simulation is real serious, isn't it? Correct? 328 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: Yes? 329 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeap? And you what I loved what you did for 330 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: me was as soon as I went through their egg collection, 331 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: so they changed the data that they changed my trigger 332 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: drugs so that I wouldn't literally die from it. They said, yes, fish, 333 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: and so they're like, don't worry, you're not going to die. 334 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: You just get all the symptoms. And I was like, 335 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: come again, and they're like, well you're here now, like 336 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: you're at twenty two five. We're really down the track, 337 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: and they're like, you're going to feel this after, but 338 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: you just won't die from it. It's like, so I 339 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: wrote to Sam being like update, yep, and you quickly 340 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: changed my post care, didn't you correct? Yeah? And basically 341 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: that was just detoxify the body as quickly look at 342 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: like support was all that livery stuff, wasn't it to 343 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: support the liver? Right? 344 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, look absolutely, just making sure all those deotoxification pathways 345 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: were open, so liver, a lymph, all bladder, our kidneys 346 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: are being supported with enough fluid, you know, all those 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: different things. And we can use herbs obviously in different 348 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: detoxification type supplements that are also anti inflammatories because they 349 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: do go a long way for reducing that as well. 350 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: That was a bit of the knack, wasn't it. Direct Yeah, mate, 351 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: that stuff is interesting in flavor. 352 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's. 353 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Quite like not even a city girls. 354 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 4: Like whoa, Yeah, there's a real tang with that. 355 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: Tang is an understatement. I would say, Okay, so we've 356 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: got all these amazing stuff pre care and just as 357 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: a precursor because I know people will know, oh what 358 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: supplement shy I take. There's so many different prenatal supplements 359 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: out there, Like I know that the best thing that 360 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: people can do is book in for a consult. And actually, 361 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: because I understand every human body is completely different, so 362 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: you would look at someone's blood work and go, okay, 363 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: this is the way I'd like to support you in 364 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: your pre conception care. So I imagine my plan is going 365 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: to be different to the next spand or if free 366 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: was where he's in the room as well, there like 367 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: all of us would get something different. Right. 368 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there is no one size fits all for fertility. 369 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: We really have to take it back to basics and 370 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: look at your biochemistry and see what's happening there. You know, 371 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 3: do you have peacos, do you have endo? Do you 372 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: have any of those things? Blood sugar and balances? And 373 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 3: we need to work with all the first. 374 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: So we learned I do have underlying very mild peacos. Yes, 375 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: So that is polycystic ovarian syndrome right correct, Yes, And 376 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: because we didn't know that, like it didn't show up 377 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: and I've got no physical symptom of it. It just 378 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: came up in the ultrasound. 379 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: Yes, But remember I said your blood sugars were a 380 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: little bit did testy, and I was a little they 381 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: were a little bit imbalanced, just mildly. So I was 382 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: had it in the back of my mind or I wonder, yes, 383 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 3: wonder what's going to happen when we do that ultrasound 384 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: you So you. 385 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: Were right you were going on, But also I didn't 386 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: know the link between pcos and eating disorders because I've 387 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: got a history of eating disorders. Because remember when my 388 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: bloods came back, you were like, could be eating disorder 389 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: stuff that you've had, because that takes about ten good 390 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: years to get out of or took about ten years 391 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: to get out of my system and a shit ton 392 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: of therapy. Yeah, so it makes sense that that I 393 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: had this like blood sugary kind of picture, but you 394 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: quickly like change a bit of my supplementation to combat that. 395 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: I remember. 396 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we popped you straight onto an oscetole, which 397 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: is something that works beautifully for peacocks or gestational diabetes 398 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: or any sort of situation where you need to balance 399 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: those blood sugars. 400 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 401 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: So given you know, we weren't looking for a natural 402 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: ovulation from you or anything like that, I still needed 403 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: to balance those blood sugars. Yeah. 404 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 4: In terms of equality and everything else. 405 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I still take that every night as well. 406 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: And then one thing that was really cool was like 407 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: coke ten, which is something that you got me to have, 408 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: but my boyfriend was dipping into it because he heard 409 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: that it was really good for sperm quality, and it's 410 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: like it is like, I better take one of these 411 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: real good ones. Sam got us on too as well. Yeap, 412 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: So I feel like it sounds if we look at 413 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: like what you use for me. It was basically a 414 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: really awesome, complete, kind of like peanatal supplement that you 415 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: loved and then it was good. We were going in 416 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: there with fish oil to at the start, you know 417 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, and then the Kochu ten and then 418 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: the nostril. They were kind of like me and a 419 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: good mag just to cal me the f down, you 420 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: switched me to one that you were like, you're gonna 421 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: get a bit of anxiety, maybe low, And I was like, yes, yes, 422 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I think I am. 423 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, there's some really good magnesiums for anxiety. 424 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: So yes, always a nice one, particularly when you're going 425 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 3: on that IVF journey or any fertility journey. I mean, 426 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 3: anxiety is naturally high. 427 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: Oh mate, I thought I was like, and I said 428 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: this to my boyfriend. 429 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: I was like, I thought that I was really like 430 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: strong and brave, but this, I'm like, shiver me timbers, 431 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: Like there's no way to prep yourself for like literally 432 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: getting up in the morning and being like right. 433 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: I injection time, you know, and just kind of like, 434 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: and then by some days it's four injections, you're like whoa, whoa, whoa, 435 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: Like it does kind of become a huge part of 436 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: your word. And someone said to me, it's all encompassing, 437 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, like I feel like and 438 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: I feel like mums would probably say this, So I 439 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: probably sound like I'm winging having only. I probably sound 440 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: like I'm winging having only kind. 441 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 3: Of like. 442 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Gone through what three weeks of it? But mate, I 443 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: feel like I lost a bit of Lola. Yeah, do 444 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? 445 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: I know exactly what you mean. 446 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: Yes, you feel like you lose a bit of you 447 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh, I want to get that back. 448 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Like I think I said you I missed intermittent fasting, 449 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: and you're like, Lola, it's three weeks, were two weeks. 450 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: You're going to be fine. But I think there are 451 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: just little things that I felt like I missed about myself. Okay, 452 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: I have so many questions. So one thing I do 453 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: remember is you go, look, I want to make sure 454 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: we have a consult while you're injecting. Do you remember this, Yeah, 455 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: because you actually kind of like tweak some of the 456 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: meds and it makes perfect sense or the supplements because 457 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: some of them thin your blood. 458 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so, I mean you can't stay on all 459 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: those supplements through around, and you have to be very 460 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: careful about when you stop and start certain supplements so 461 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: they don't interfere with the drugs that you're using. Yeah, 462 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: because ultimately, you know, we're putting the drugs in there 463 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: to get a good result. We don't want to stuff 464 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: it up. So yes, you have to always be in 465 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 3: touch with your practitioner. So if you're going to be 466 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: on supplements in around. 467 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you put me right back on stuff. 468 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: And the other thing is you were super pro this 469 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: and the doc was super pro this. Acupuncture. 470 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it works amazingly. It works hand in hand 471 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: with everything we do. There's amazing trials on it. It 472 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: does actually really support women through IVF and make a 473 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: big difference to outcomes. 474 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 475 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: I love that. There's like actual studies on acupuncture as well. 476 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: And like my acupuncturist was amazing and she was like 477 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: she was putting needles and she's like, you know, this 478 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: is probably as good as ivflower, Like come on, we're 479 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: really working on you for two channels. Yeah, because save 480 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you fifteen grand mate. But yeah, so okay, I've asked 481 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: you a million questions about my own experience, but for 482 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: women that are like, okay, I think I might want 483 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: to explore the idea of this, would you say, like 484 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: from the get go, like get a few to obviously 485 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: get some testing done, but then bring someone like and that, 486 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: like whether it be a naturopath, nutritionist on to kind 487 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: of like compliment what they're doing medically. 488 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, no matter if it's IVF or any gynecological situation. 489 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I've learned that the hard way. I was 490 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: just lucky I was a nauturopath and when I went 491 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: through all of that and then I learned so much 492 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: having to. 493 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: Go through everything I went through. 494 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 3: But the two mesh together beautifully, and I wouldn't have 495 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: one without the other because there's certain gaps that say 496 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: Western medicine can't fill. Yeah, and vice those through as well. 497 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally. Now another thing that happened for me 498 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: that I don't think we talked about, but I was 499 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: awake for the procedure the egg collection. You know, it's 500 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: mandated in Victoria, you go under. 501 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's why I was a bit surprised. When 502 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 3: you told me it's like, oh yeah, I forgot that 503 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: about yourself. Okay, yeah, femore therapy afterwards. 504 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a lot. Like it was a lot 505 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: like you literally get given a valium and two pana 506 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: doles and then they're like right o, head in and 507 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: I was I was like, can you feel the valium? 508 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: And I was like feel what? Feel what? 509 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: Like? 510 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: I could not feel any I was like I am here. 511 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: I am like i'd also I was also the heaviest overbeing. 512 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: So I'm like, give me two mates. We gotta we 513 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: gotta like get in there and feel something from this. 514 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: I am not driking. I didn't feel anything from the valium. 515 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: But the thing that did save the day green whistle. 516 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yep. 517 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: So I think it's called pantherox or something like that, 518 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: and that's like an inhaling, non opioid pain med drug. 519 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: But the flip side of that is it's placing so 520 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: much pressure on your kidneys, like you cannot ever do 521 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: more than one green whistle in a space of forty 522 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: eight hours or something like you'll die. Yeah. Yeah, So 523 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: like all the like the cost of even like your 524 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: physical health of going either going under a general or 525 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: going through what I went through, Like then your body 526 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: is like under stress from going through. 527 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: All of that, right, correct, Yeah, and then you know, 528 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: some people might do a fresh transfer. 529 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: Which so the hyperstem stops you doing that straight away, 530 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: I've found out. But yeah, so the fresh transfer sounds 531 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: full on like that's usually five days after. 532 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, well, yes, generally, depending on how it's growing 533 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 3: and those kinds of situations. 534 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: And did they make is there anything you do between 535 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: the egg collection to the transfer or you drug free 536 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: homemone free for a little while. 537 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: You've got well, there's usually that five day gap, which 538 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 3: is generally hormone three free. They'll pop you on progesterone 539 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 3: at some point most likely. Yeah, but there are some 540 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: other drugs that some people need to use, like clex 541 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 3: saying and things like that, which they will also begin 542 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: in that five days. So there's other drugs as well, 543 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: depending on what's going on with you. 544 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I've heard the transfer bit doesn't hurt though, No, 545 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: I've heard it just compared to collection. I heard the 546 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: doctor's just like and clear up, we go shoot it up. 547 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, about that. 548 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: So if you've gone through like so, say you're not 549 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: doing transfer, which was my situation. If you've gone through 550 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: like either going under a general or the procedure that 551 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: I went through, like I imagine, then the treatment protocol has 552 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: got to be like supporting the body, getting it back 553 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: to some kind of like you will like get this 554 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: green powdering with the smoothies, like within an hour of 555 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: getting home. To remember you were telling. 556 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, particularly because you're in hyperstim so I would have 557 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: been a bit more relaxed if you weren't, but I 558 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 3: just wanted to see if we can really reduce those 559 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 3: symptoms immediately. Yes, so definitely, the protocol afterwards is so 560 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: important to get you back just basics to balance, because 561 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: most women, if they're not doing fresh transfer and they're 562 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 3: not freezing eggs for sorry embOS for later the next month, 563 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: they'll do the transfer, so you've only got like a 564 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: three four week turnaround. 565 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Or they'll do another cycle. 566 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 4: Yes, or another collection. Correct. 567 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: So SOO said to me, I've done ten cycles. I've 568 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: done nine cycles. I'm like, you're braver than me. I 569 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: could not. I don't know if it's because I am 570 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: like quite sensitive, I think, like physically sensitive to stuff, 571 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: but I was just like pull myself through this. Even 572 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: the dock. I think I told you called me up 573 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: and was like, yo, so January, and I was like, yo, 574 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: so no, it's a lot. 575 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 4: Like it's a lot, it really is. 576 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: And you know some women do carry it quite well. 577 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: But even then there's a tipping point. 578 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: It has to be even if it's a mental tipping point, 579 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: I don't care. There has to be one. And I 580 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: just think, like, so, if you've got a patient that's 581 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: doing back to back cycles like that, how do you 582 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: detoxify that? Stuff? 583 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: Really tricky? 584 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: And if they ask for my advice, I recommend they 585 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: don't do back to back. 586 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: So take a month off, find that homeostasis a little 587 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: bit again, and then go again. 588 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, at course, it depends on the age. 589 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: You know, if they're in a very tight age frame, 590 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: sound the forty two or forty three or something, then 591 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 3: I'll be not suggesting that, I guess, But most of 592 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 3: the time I'll suggest for them to have a month 593 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 3: off in between. 594 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: I'm thirty seven and it was suggested for me to 595 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: go again. The only reason why they in December is 596 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: because it's krimbal and everything shuts And I was like, well, 597 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have fully I need to like just 598 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: find my balance and then like also, I'm going to 599 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: get a better result healthy, am I not? 600 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? 601 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely, one hundred percent. 602 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, and mentally like yeah, you know, yeah. 603 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: And look, there's a lot of specialists now who do 604 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 3: recommend in Victoria at least to have a month off 605 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: as well. And there is a debate of what's better 606 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: fresh or frozen transfer. And you know, the arguments for 607 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: a frozen transfer often because you've had that time off 608 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: to recuperate, you know, reduce all the amount of drugs 609 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: in your system and get back to balance before you 610 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: do the transfer. So look, there's research to support both sides. 611 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of IVF specials soon now sort 612 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: of suggesting a month off as well, or at least 613 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: a few weeks off. 614 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean mate, as a nutritionist, I'm like, mate, 615 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: give me that time. 616 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 617 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: And I love people that can do it, like kudos 618 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And it's so cool that it is 619 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: even the thing that is out there that we are 620 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 1: lucky enough to have access too. Yes, but that like 621 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many calls I have with 622 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: my nurse just bawling my eyes act because mainly in 623 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: the five day weight, So can you explain what happens 624 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: like with collection and like fertilizing to embryo like that 625 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: is that it is the worst five days I think 626 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: I've ever had. 627 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look again, certain companies do different things. Okay, 628 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: certain IVF got it companies do different But in your case, 629 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: they were waiting for a five day growth, weren't they. 630 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were three, so you had no option 631 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: for day three, so you would get so of the eggs. 632 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: The doctor's like, oh yeah, we got fourteen eggs and 633 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm like sick because I watched the girl before me 634 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: go in and they're like we got seven and I 635 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: was like, oh shivers, you know. And then you get 636 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: this call on day one the next day and they're like, yeah, 637 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: so six have survived over and arn't. And I was 638 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: like what, yeah, yes, and they're like yeah six. They're like, well, 639 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, four were immature, two were abnormal. Eight then 640 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: got introduced to matt sperm and overnight six did good. 641 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, so less than half and they're 642 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, speak to one day three and 643 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: I was like, morterfied. 644 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's quite normal, very normal, and six is 645 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: a good number. 646 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Again, I got told six is unreal. 647 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 648 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: So one day three they were happy days, doing great, 649 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: but then they did say, listen, to get them to 650 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: day five is hard work. We expect twenty five percent. 651 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: And the reason why we go to day five is 652 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: because certainty, which you also mentioned as well. 653 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 4: Well, that's right. 654 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: I think I can't remember when it was, but up 655 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: until about say eight years ago, they did a three 656 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 3: day freeze, so. 657 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: Which means if they frozen mine at day six, right, 658 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: the six at day three, four of them won't have worked. 659 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 660 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just because freezing technologies come a long way, yeah, 661 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: in that time frame, and it's still coming a long way. 662 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: So every year I feel like it's getting better. 663 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: Well, they checked mine day six and sept So one 664 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: was frozen on day five, one was frozen on day six, 665 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: and they still checked on day seven. Yeah, which is 666 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: normal now apparently. Yeah. 667 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 668 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: So okay, so if you do get to the end 669 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: of the five days and you've got an embryo. 670 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just went grade A, let's say, or yeah, 671 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 3: grade one or. 672 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, happy days, yeah, like really good chances of being 673 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: viable down the track, yes, and forever young is my 674 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: nurse get around for every young Lola, for every young 675 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: two healthy bambinos for every young Okay, what I want 676 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: to talk to you about? And I think you're going 677 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: to be all over This is in that five day 678 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: window because my trigger had to stop me getting hyperstimulation. 679 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: It literally stopped me producing all I don't know if 680 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: it was hormones in general, but it was definitely estrogen. 681 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: They're like, it's going to literally cut it right versus 682 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: the other one's got pregnancy hormone in it, and that's 683 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: what can flick you into the hyper And I thought, Ah, 684 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: In the day after I talked that trip, I felt great. 685 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is what human feels like again, 686 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: I feel awesome, awesome. But between that one to day 687 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: five window where one you're waiting for all this information, 688 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: that is really scary and there's so much on the line. 689 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: Your hormones are on the ground or below the ground. 690 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: It's like it's bombed right. 691 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and taking its time, so you know, each day 692 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: we'll get a little worse. That wish I knew this, 693 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: but honestly, I couldn't mentally handle shit. Yeah, is that normal? 694 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 3: Very very And look, everyone is everyone is different. Some 695 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 3: women it really doesn't bother, but most women it's a 696 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: big deal, particularly after hyperstim because it's a very different 697 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: sort of situation. 698 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, okay, so this made me feel less crazy 699 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: than when I felt like I was, though, because I 700 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: could not Like some days, I was like my boyfriend's like, 701 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: is this depression? Like I was like getting out of 702 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: bed was a deal, but I was also coming off 703 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: the back of that. And you're sitting by the phone 704 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: like in all the training bids, Like I watch all 705 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: the like IV of bids and it's like a lady 706 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: relaxed reading a book waiting for the embryologist to call. 707 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, there is nothing relaxing about this experience. 708 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be reading my latest crime fiction 709 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: book that I love, like I am in this and 710 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: call me at eight am please, yes, like cut the 711 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: pain as quickly as possible. But then because the hormones 712 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: are plummeting and like you said, getting worse, Yeah, your 713 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: ability to handle shit is just like out the like 714 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't do anything. So I still haven't done anything 715 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: social and it was three weeks ago. Yeah. 716 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,959 Speaker 3: Look, it's very normal, and I think we all underestimate 717 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 3: how much it affects us. So those women that do 718 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: power through and don't get much of a reaction, I'm 719 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: physically they're still getting a reaction. 720 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well that must have feel a little bit better. 721 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: I think, what is how long do you think it takes, 722 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: say you do a cycle to come back to like 723 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: some form of HOMEUS days. Is it one? Is it 724 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: one natural bleed or is it like two or three? Oh? 725 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: Look, honestly, for some women it's just one, but other 726 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: women that are super sensitive, it could be two three 727 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 3: months before you start to feel one hundred percent again. 728 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: I bet you that's me. I bet yeah. 729 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: Look, I I probably attract those clients because they have 730 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: a lot of like that as well. 731 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 4: Really yeah. 732 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: And then so with that, does that mean if you're 733 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: in that kind of like category where you feel like 734 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: you're not quite yourself for a while, would you consider 735 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: like keeping those like detoxification and antiinflam supplements like the 736 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: knack and all the greens and everything and all the 737 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: liver support. 738 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 3: Yes, you need to carry that through. Yes, And we've 739 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: changed them depending on the monthly symptoms. So you know, 740 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 3: if the second month was a little better than we'll 741 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 3: pull back a bit and we might put something else in. 742 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 4: It just really depends what's going on. 743 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: Oh so interesting. I love all of this. Okay, So 744 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: and I've talked to your ear off and I've like, 745 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I could talk to you all 746 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: day long about this. But for somebody just listening right now, 747 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: this is your last question. So yep, pressures on, but 748 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: someone listening right now that's just curious about it. What 749 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: is like one or two things they can do after 750 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: they listen to. 751 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: This in terms of curious about freezing an embryo and egg. Yeah, yes, so, look, 752 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 3: depends on a lot of factors obviously, But the first 753 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 3: thing I would do is talk to a GP or 754 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: a natchpath and get your bloods done and just see 755 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 3: if you're viable, if you're the right age, and you know, 756 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: if everything's I guess good to go alignment. Yeah, so 757 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 3: that would be the first thing that they could do. 758 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: And then the second thing would be just start cleaning 759 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 3: up your diet and your lifestyle because it is a 760 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 3: ninety window ideally that you want to do that for 761 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: in you know, so if you decide to freeze next month, 762 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 3: well maybe those three freeze in three months hopefully. 763 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you said to me as well. You're like, 764 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: I want you because even in LA, I was doing 765 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: yoga every day, but I was inhaling La like sollution, yeah, 766 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: and I was still like having a martini you know, 767 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: once a week on the weekend and stuff, and so 768 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: there were all these lifestyle things that were coming in. 769 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: But I love that. I love that you're saying, like, 770 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: just get a baseline bit of information and then to 771 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of take it from there. Don't be like all right, 772 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of people said to me, oh, I'm 773 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: going to do this next year, and I'm like, well, 774 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: like now is when you start prepping for next year, you. 775 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, absolutely, and get all the tests you can 776 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 3: done with the IVF specialist as well, because they will 777 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 3: have access to testing a lot of other things like 778 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 3: your AMH and all those things as well. 779 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, which you were straight on the You were 780 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: straight away with me all of that, and I think 781 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: as well, one thing I've learned is educating yourself around 782 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: the stats, like two embryos is a win, yes, and 783 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: like people do do a round of IBF and. 784 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 4: Get nothing correct. 785 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah that happens, right, Yeah, it happens, and it's really 786 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 3: hard to know who that person is going to be unfortunately. Yeah, 787 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 3: so you're also you know, in your situation, I don't 788 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 3: want to go in telling you these bad stats because 789 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 3: I don't want you to be anxious. 790 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and I think it depends on the person. 791 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, teach me it and I can walk 792 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: in clear, you know what I mean? And you learn 793 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: that with me very g I was like, yeah, tell 794 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: me it all and I'll be okay. But I can 795 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: imagine if people knew that stuff, they'd be like, oh no, no, no, 796 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: I can't afford to think, like I can't afford to 797 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: let my brain go there. 798 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 4: You know, absolutely, because it might not be your story. 799 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And I guess is each cycle different if 800 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: you do do multiple cycles? 801 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and often they would change the drugs around. Yeah, 802 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 3: they would change it for you next time if you 803 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: did another one to avoid that hyperstim Yeah. He's like, 804 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 3: We've going to pull the dosage, right, Yeah, we sort 805 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 3: of went too high with that. I'm sure you're thinking, 806 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 3: which will give you a different round. Completely, It doesn't 807 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 3: mean fewer eggs might mean better quality eggs. Yeah, you know, 808 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: there's some a nicer recovery maybe. 809 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right exactly. 810 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: And Sam, if people want to be like me and 811 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: be a client of yours, I'm going to be continuing 812 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: to see you because I want to look after my 813 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: natural fertility as well. For full disclosure, I've shared this before, 814 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: but Matt and I are hoping to try naturally in 815 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: our forties and then we've got our people call them babies, 816 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: but our little bambinos on ice if that doesn't work out, 817 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: and so it's important to me that I continue to 818 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: look after my fertility now, you know. Yeah, And the 819 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: doctor said the exact is like keep working in the 820 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: natural baths, stay on all this ups. So if people 821 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: want to work with you the way that I do, 822 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: and I know, you know, I live half in America, 823 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: so we do Zoom Consults and I live in Byron. 824 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: We you know, we make it way. So you take 825 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: people clients online, but you also do practice in Melbourne 826 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: as well. That's right. 827 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 3: So I'm also practice in Melbourne at Merge Health, but 828 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: I also do online clients as well. Nice, So yeah, 829 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 3: you can get in contact with me either way. 830 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: I'll have it all. I'll have it all on the 831 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: show Notes Gang I'm so wrapped. Have you on. I've 832 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: been wanting to people always ask me who my fertility 833 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: naturpath is. So Sam, it has been an absolute joy. 834 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 3: Oh thanks Sala. It's been lovely to work with you 835 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 3: as well. Oh it's just the beginning, mate, Yeah, exactly, exactly, 836 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 3: You've got a few years to go. 837 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 4: Thank you, pleasure. 838 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 839 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 840 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lolla Berry. This potty my 841 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: word for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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