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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty first of November. I'm Sam, I'm Zarah. It's

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Speaker 2: nice to be back on the podcast. Sarah. It is

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Speaker 2: nice to be a week away. You and I are traversing

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Speaker 3: So last week one of the biggest names in artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 2: Oltman co founded the company with Elon Musk. Might have

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Speaker 2: You pretentious douchebag securities here. You'll be leaving now.

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Speaker 3: And recently, the board of directors of Uber forced co

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Speaker 2: So that's clearly a different situation to what we have

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Speaker 2: This is a very odd It's all very odd, this situation.

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Speaker 3: It's just like a TV show.

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Speaker 2: But I just think it will be a TV show.

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Speaker 3: But I think, you know, this is an interesting one

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Speaker 2: smartest Sam Moltman would have put some safeguards in place

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Speaker 2: to not get kicked out. But turns out he didn't.

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