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Speaker 1: Now we know that snap lockdowns and border restrictions have

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Speaker 1: been having a big impact on territorians, particularly businesses who

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Speaker 1: rely on tourism. And joining me on the line is

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Speaker 1: the CEO of the Chamber of Commerce, Greg Island. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you. Greg.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie. How are you should I own?

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Speaker 1: Not too bad now? Greg? How are businesses faring in

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Speaker 1: the territory at the moment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, Katie, it's probably the same message that we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about for a while where these lockdowns around

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Speaker 2: the country are certainly impacting on us. And we've seen

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Speaker 2: some commentary around that in today's paper. Particularly tourism, major events,

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Speaker 2: those type of things are impacted almost instantaneously whenever one

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Speaker 2: of those lockdowns is announced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it's no doubt, you know, having an impact.

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Speaker 1: Different businesses feeling it different in different ways.

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Speaker 2: I would assume, yeah, absolutely very much. If you lose

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Speaker 2: a day in tourism sector, that's a day that you

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Speaker 2: can never replicate again, versus other industries that can rebuild

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Speaker 2: over time just by increasing their outputs. So it's certainly

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Speaker 2: impacting on things and that is the real impact every

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Speaker 2: time that this occurs. But broaderly, we've got more pressing

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Speaker 2: issues developing as well. So, yeah, some good news and

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Speaker 2: bad news in the economy.

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Speaker 1: What are those more broader issues developing as well? Great?

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Speaker 2: I think probably starting with some of the band stuff. First,

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Speaker 2: population has always been a challenge for us here in

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Speaker 2: the territory, and we've seen over the last quarter we've

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Speaker 2: lost another approximately four hundred Territorians to moving down south,

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Speaker 2: most of them going to Queensland for some reason. And

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Speaker 2: the previous two quarters above that added up to another

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Speaker 2: thousand people. So fifteen hundred or thereabouts people leaving the

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Speaker 2: territory over the last year or so, and that certainly

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Speaker 2: increases pressure on people being able to find workforce and

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Speaker 2: also our skills base gets eroded as part of that

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Speaker 2: process as well.

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Speaker 1: Wow, fifteen hundred over the last year, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: when you actually think about it, that's a pretty big number.

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. When we talk about major projects in

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Speaker 2: the territory bringing fifteen hundred jobs. Yeah, that's just replacing

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Speaker 2: what we've gone backwards in the last little while. So

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Speaker 2: we need some of those major projects to kick off

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Speaker 2: and create sustainable employment for us long term.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we certainly do. And I know that there has

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Speaker 1: been some positive announcements of late when it comes to

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Speaker 1: different projects and diversifying the economy. Does it go far

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Speaker 1: enough at this point? Gregor? I mean, I suppose we're

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Speaker 1: always looking for more to build the population.

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Speaker 2: We certainly are. We've really seen a strong focus from

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Speaker 2: government and industry to really drive those projects going forward.

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Speaker 2: The term Report has generated substantial interest there and the

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Speaker 2: appointment of the new Commissioners gives a real focus inside government.

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Speaker 2: But from an industry perspective, final investment decisions and an

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Speaker 2: environment that promotes that investment is exactly what we need.

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Speaker 1: And that Turk legislation went through Parliament yesterday. Some of

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Speaker 1: it aimed at really trying to get projects and get

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Speaker 1: what they have previously, greg Did that legislation go far enough?

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Speaker 1: From the Chamber's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Look, we certainly want to remove as many barriers to

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Speaker 2: But every time that you make these changes, we introduce

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Speaker 2: a new suite of challenges. We always want that environment

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Speaker 2: to facilitate that investment. So they are steps in the

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Speaker 2: right direction. I still feel we've got some steps to go,

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Speaker 2: but we're certainly seeing broader industry engagement. Everyone's talking to

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Speaker 2: So it's something that's a positive sign, even though it's

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Speaker 1: Star greg I did want to ask you. I know

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Speaker 1: that the Chief Minister yesterday made some comments around vaccination

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Speaker 1: we reach key vaccine targets. It's despite the National Cabinet

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Speaker 1: benchmarks around those vaccines. The work, the research, I guess

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Speaker 1: concern you that we may wind up in a situation

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Speaker 2: Look, it certainly does, Katie, and this is something that

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Speaker 2: we raised with government couple of weeks ago regarding these

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Speaker 2: Our indigenous communities really are exposed in that regard, and

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Speaker 2: one of our concerns is getting all of the maximum

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Speaker 2: particular risk. I can see this coming a little while ago,

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Speaker 2: and we've certainly been talking about how that that can

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Speaker 1: No I was going to say, and it does seem

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Speaker 1: South Wales premiere, who obviously is in a pretty difficult

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Speaker 3: Based on the health advice that when you get to

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Speaker 3: opportunity to eat some restrictions are ahead of that seventy

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Speaker 3: we'll get to a stage when you have those high

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Speaker 3: rates of vaccination where you can start treating the delta

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Speaker 3: the number of people in hospital as opposed to the

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Speaker 3: number of cases. We can't do that until we get

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Speaker 3: that's what the DOITY report says.

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Speaker 1: Greg. Is it a worry for business in the territory

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Speaker 1: when you look around the nation and different states and

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Speaker 1: different leaders their approaches to COVID and the lifting of restrictions,

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Speaker 1: and you know the movements that will be allowed to

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Speaker 1: have once we get to that vaccination rate of eighty percent.

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Speaker 1: Is it a worry for business that there seems to

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Speaker 1: be quite mixed messaging.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of that revolves around the

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Speaker 2: going to be faced with in the future. Territory business

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Speaker 2: predominantly occurs within the greater metropolitan areas of Darwen, Catherine

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Speaker 2: Tennant Alice Springs. There's certainly significant risk to those communities

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Speaker 2: outside of those key areas that don't have that support,

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Speaker 2: and no doubt that's what the Chief Minister is concerned about.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're going to need to push the vaccination

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Speaker 2: rates as high as practically possible into those regions.

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Speaker 1: Well. Chamber of Commerce CEO Greg Island, always good to

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Speaker 1: speak with you. Thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie. Nice to see the other night at the

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Speaker 2: day On festival.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you too. Good for us well, lucky for us

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Speaker 1: we are in this situation where we are able to

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Speaker 1: still get out and about, but I know it's a

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Speaker 1: juggle for everybody or anybody trying to put on an

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Speaker 1: event at the moment in terms of those lockdowns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very challenging, but you're right, at least we've got something.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely good on you, Greg, Thank you,