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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, to your listeners. I'm actually calling

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Speaker 2: in live from the Dundee voting center. We are here

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Speaker 2: into ten forty five and so if you're in Dundee

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Speaker 2: and you're listening, come out. We're all here and back

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Speaker 2: for sivituries, for a strong opposition and a strong boy.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I know I'll always always happy to

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Speaker 1: hear where you are, Leah, but let's hold off on

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Speaker 1: the on the election slogans.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Firstly, I do want to actually ask you about a

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Speaker 1: situation that I've been made aware of this morning, which

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Speaker 1: saw a young boy and his little sister mugged at

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Speaker 1: a parent shared a post which read my son turned

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Speaker 1: hold a knife to this lady's son and his friend,

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Speaker 1: as you'd imagine, they were pretty shaken and in tears. Leah,

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Speaker 1: has this been raised with you or your office at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've certainly been made aware of it, Katie. And

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Speaker 2: isn't it just horrific? I mean, what kind of place

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Speaker 2: and holds back to this government being stopped on crime,

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Speaker 2: not listening to the voice of victims and territory and

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Speaker 2: through number one concern is community safety. And in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: the government are just bearing its head on the zand

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Speaker 2: on this issue and pretending like they're making laws that

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Speaker 1: Leah, is there a problem, Well, let's just talk about

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Speaker 2: No, I mean we're hearing more and more about it.

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Speaker 2: Of course, there's been a state of these type of

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Speaker 2: People are being broken into every single day of court.

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Speaker 2: Businesses are being repeatedly attacked. It's just not okay. You know,

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Speaker 2: It's to support our police, resource them as they're needed,

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Speaker 2: and I'd love to know what happens to these perpetrators

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Speaker 1: Leah, I'm being told by some parents of teenagers that

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Speaker 1: So essentially, you know the other kids well as if

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, and you know what's been happening, Katie. This

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not. You know, I can't go a day

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Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about it because they're failing

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Speaker 2: We've tried to bring our own laws, Katie into the parliament.

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Speaker 1: What other information did you obtain for these questions that

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Speaker 2: Well, we've put We obviously asked thousands of questions during

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Speaker 2: And it's not okay like we're having to change our

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Speaker 2: And we've certainly asked a number more questions, Katie, going

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Speaker 1: Leah, I have just received a message from one of

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Speaker 1: our listeners that says, good morning Katie. I think Lea

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Speaker 2: We said that if you're a repeat offender, you should

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Speaker 2: But an area is a completely switched off on this one.

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Speaker 1: Look, we'll talk about Parliament in just a moment. Before

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Speaker 1: How I mean, how important do you think it is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, Katie, We're really concerned. Of course. We're

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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week the Chief Minister was on the show,

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got sittings at September, October, November and December.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: No, I think we just manage our workload. So it

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Speaker 3: Well, if it is longer nights, I'm just saying we

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Speaker 1: Can you understand, though, how some people might think that's

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Speaker 3: I have answered a lot of questions on the Grandstand

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Speaker 2: I mean, how arrogant is this chief minis at number one?

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Speaker 2: And these guys just duck and hide for cover at

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Speaker 2: And the reason Government I will not put these three

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Speaker 1: So, Lenda, what was from your perspective, From your perspective,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just us, can I really stress,

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Speaker 2: we only sit in Parliament about thirty days a year, Katie,

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Speaker 2: So for the governments just get rid of ten percent

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Speaker 2: And they've gotten just because they've got no business. Fine,

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Speaker 1: Well Leaf Andochiro, the opposition leader. Always good to catch

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Speaker 1: up with you. Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,