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Speaker 1: Five minutes away from eleven o'clock. And look, we've heard

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Speaker 1: from a lot of property owners this morning about their

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Speaker 1: concerns around these around these changes which would allow pits

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Speaker 1: into rental properties, but we really haven't heard about why

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Speaker 1: the changes are coming into play. And joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio right now is the RSPCA Darwin Chair Danny Moore.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Danny, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for coming in this morning. Is

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Speaker 1: this a change that the RSPCA advocated for.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. When the legislation came out and there was a

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Speaker 2: scrutiny committee process, the RSPCA, along with many other organizations

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Speaker 2: including real estate but also Council of Social Services, etc.

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Speaker 2: All provided input into that process around the scrutiny process

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Speaker 2: and justifications and changes that we saw and then since

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Speaker 2: then as well as called on the government to progress

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Speaker 2: with these changes and implement them.

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Speaker 1: And so why what are the reasons for the RSPEE

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Speaker 1: advocating for these changes to come into play?

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Speaker 2: Well, if I make it very simple, it just makes sense.

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Speaker 2: We've got the highest pet ownership rates in the country

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Speaker 2: at eighty two percent. We've got the highest rental property

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Speaker 2: numbers in the country at over fifty percent. That's twenty

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Speaker 2: percent more than any other territory or state. So just

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Speaker 2: the volume is there for the population that requires this,

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Speaker 2: but also the number of animals that unnecessarily get surrendered

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Speaker 2: because of unreasonable requests from landlords that end up impacting

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Speaker 2: and being passed on to the charitable sectors. So not

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Speaker 2: just us, the other rehoming groups as well.

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Speaker 1: How many are we talking every year? How many dogs

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Speaker 1: and cats are getting surrendered? Do you know because they're

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Speaker 1: not actually able to take them into a rental property.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the exact number, but we help that

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Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty two one thousand animals a year,

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Speaker 2: and most of those come through pounds being found. And

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Speaker 2: in fact, this morning when the team turn up at

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Speaker 2: the shelter to work, there was an animal fight ap outside.

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Speaker 2: We just don't know sometimes why they are but matter.

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Speaker 1: But are you assuming that it is because they're not

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Speaker 2: It could be the reason, It could be others. You know,

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Speaker 2: we just don't know and we can't judge that, but

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Speaker 2: there are numbers that we know, and is sizable numbers

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Speaker 2: in the hundreds and I am facts. Yeah, I've been

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Speaker 2: a beneficiary in some ways because I've got a dog

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Speaker 2: that was surrendered because his owner moved and couldn't take

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Speaker 2: clearly loved dog. Yeah, so there's Truman there, both the

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Speaker 2: animal but also the human. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I am an animal lover. You know that I've got

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Speaker 1: two dogs. I love animals, But I am also I

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, and these changes concern me. They do

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Speaker 1: concern me, and I know that that's certainly the sentiment

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Speaker 1: you know, they're saying to us that they would hope

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Speaker 1: that anybody that's going to rent their home with a

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Speaker 2: I completely understand, you know, people being concerned, but we

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Speaker 2: can't assume that everyone is not a responsible pet owner.

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Speaker 2: I think you made a comment I was listening on

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Speaker 2: everyone lives like that. So if we just assume everyone's

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Speaker 1: Will not do to assume? You know what? Do we

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Speaker 1: assume because common sense, unfortunately, or I guess experience for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just pets that that can go

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Speaker 1: We're upping the risk. That's the problem, you know, Like

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Speaker 2: About that, and that's again very valid reason to be worried.

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Speaker 2: But what this really comes down to now is about

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Speaker 2: It's not just about dogs or cats.

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Speaker 1: And so do you reckon I mean, is that really

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Speaker 1: is that what we need to be doing. Is that

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Speaker 1: your advice I suppose for and I know you're not

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that is, you know, if you want

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Speaker 2: to counter the risk, make sure you're getting good tenants,

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Speaker 2: and if you get good responsible pet owners, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they'll probably be responsible tenants as well. And I think,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again though I suppose you know, from a

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Speaker 1: and we all get that, but then you know, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimately there is. You know, as long as it's reasonable,

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Speaker 2: there are grounds for landlords to refuse to have the pet.

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Speaker 2: And let's not forget it's actually landlord's decision around who

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Speaker 1: Hey, just one other thing I did want to ask

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Speaker 1: so if there's body corporate rules, it doesn't This doesn't

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Speaker 2: That's correct. That's my understanding of the legislation in that

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Speaker 2: if there's property body corporate rules, so you can't have

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Speaker 2: in the act, that is the case, and that's something

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Speaker 2: we'd actually like to see here and should go that

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Speaker 2: step further. Yep, that's what we advocated for. Unfortunately the

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Speaker 2: government didn't take that one up. But that is the

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Speaker 2: has also flagged an intention to implement those laws. WA

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Speaker 1: What about another message that came through a little earlier

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Speaker 1: it comes to council by laws still dominate. So if

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Speaker 1: there is a council by law that says you can

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Speaker 1: only have two dogs, you can't then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden have three dogs because you're renting a property.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. So I do believe it is two in

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Speaker 2: Citia Darwin. I've got two. You can have a third,

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Speaker 2: but you have to seek permission from the council.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So for those listening, the council by laws do

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Speaker 1: still remain in place when it comes to responsible pet ownership. Well, Danny,

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming in this morning. You are,

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Speaker 1: of course the r s p C A Darwin chair.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Great thanks, Katie, thank you