1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Thursday, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: the nineteenth of December. I'm emma, I'm Zara. Australia is 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: heading to the Moon. But if you're thinking of astronauts. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: In space suits, think again. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: After an eighteen month design process, the Australian Space Agency 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: has unveiled the prototype for the country's first lunar rover, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: or RUVERA, as it's been nicknamed by the Australian public. 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: I don't think we should be trusting the Australian public 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: with any naming at this rate. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: I thought we had low. 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: We let ourselves down time and time again. But this 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: robot RUVERA is completing a very real mission, and that 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: is to the surface of the Moon on a NASA 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: mission later this decade. The federal government has announced forty 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: two million dollars to fund the construction of the rover, 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: and it'll be developed by a group of companies and 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 3: universities selected by the Australian Space Agency. 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: Experts want to establish a sustainable human presence on the Moon. 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: So what does that mean and why? 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: To understand more, I reached out to someone who is 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: much more qualified than I am to talk about space exploration, 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: mechanical engineer Chloe Chang. Despite literally just graduating from monash Uni, 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: where she led a rover program, Chloe has been working 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: with Lunar Outpost Oceania. They are the technical lead of 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: the ELO two consortium. That's that group selected by the 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: Space Agency to develop this rover and she joins US now. 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Chloe Chang, Welcome to the podcast. 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: We are so excited to be talking to you today 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: about this announcement, but I wanted to take it back 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: to basics. First of all, why is Australia sending a 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: rover to the Moon? 35 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: Very good question. Australia is sending a over to the 36 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: Moon as part of NASA's Artemis program to support humanity's 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 4: return to the lunar surface. The robo will contribute to 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: the international efforts to explore the Moon, extracting resources like 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 4: regulars and see if there's water, there's oxygen in there, 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 4: and this will be essentral for future missions and also 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: sustaining a human presence on the Moon. 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: You've mentioned a return to the Moon obviously, you know 43 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: back in the Apollo missions several decades ago. The Moon 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: was a huge focus when it came to space exploration. 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: But why has it returned to focus. 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 4: It's returned to focus because I think there's a lot 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 4: long term that we can gain from space. Space has 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: infinite resources and power and is estimated to be a 49 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 4: one point eight trillion industry in the future. So it's 50 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 4: really important that Australia cements their space in the space 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: industry and be a part of that global market. 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the prototype unveiled this week, RuvA. 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about it? 54 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: What is it and what will this piece of robotics 55 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: I guess actually be able to do. Hi. Sorry, I'm 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: just gonna pop in here because Chloe mentions this word 57 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: regolith a few times coming up, and I was too 58 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: embarrassed to ask her what it means. So in case 59 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: you also don't know what it means, I just wanted 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: to let you know. 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: Regolith it's basically moon soil. 62 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: It's a term used to describe the loose rocks, dust, 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: other materials found on the lunar surface. 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Back to the interview. 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 4: So this is a small microwave sized rover. It's about 66 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: twenty kilograms. It can traverse uneven terrain about one hundred 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: meters a day, and it's looking for interesting samples, collecting 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: lunar regoliths, looking for water, looking for oxygen. So that's 69 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: basically the basics of the mission. But our consortium elo 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: TO this year has developed four prototypes which have been 71 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: designed to test critical design aspects. 72 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: So I imagine the challenge is developing something that brings 73 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 2: all of those elements together. Because, of course, this rover 74 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: not only has to get to the Moon, which I 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: imagine is a mission in and of itself, but once 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: it's there, gather that information and then bring it home. 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 4: It's not coming home. It's staying on the Moon forever, forever. Well, 78 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: it probably will be recycled for maybe a later mission, 79 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: but it is going to the surface and it will 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 4: stay there. 81 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: Wow, a permanent rover on the Moon. So what are 82 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: the findings from this rover going to be used for? 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: How long will it take? 84 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: Sort Of, once we get the rover on the lunar 85 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: surface it starts doing its thing, when can we expect 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: some discoveries? 87 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 4: Tricky question. We don't know a lot about the Moon 88 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 4: as it is. We have the Lunar Conaissance orbit are 89 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: that NASA put up and that's our source of truth 90 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: and our most up to date data of the Moon, 91 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: but actual knowledge of the composition of the soil, especially 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 4: the poles. So this rover's going to the south pole. 93 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: There's not a lot of information around that, and they're 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 4: suspected to be water in the poles of the Moon, 95 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: which would be very important to sustaining a human presence 96 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 4: on the Moon and sustaining astronauts up there, so that 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: we're not bringing our own water on our and oxygen 98 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: to the Moon. So in terms of what we will discover, 99 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: I guess you know that the whole point of this 100 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: mission is to send a rover up there, have a 101 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 4: look around and see what we can find. 102 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really interested in this idea of establishing a 103 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: human presence on the Moon. We've heard from the Space 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: Agency this week that that is a major focus of 105 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: the international space community over the coming decades. But what 106 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: does that actually mean. What would a presence, a sustainable 107 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: human presence on the Moon look like. 108 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, a sustainable human presence on the Moon involves establishing habitats. 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 4: Maybe they're made out of the lunar regolith itself. Maybe 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 4: we have robotic you know, huge robotic infrastructure, huge like 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: civil three D printers that take regulith and create our 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 4: own lunar bricks, because lunar regolith is able to shield 113 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 4: radiation and the thermal environment. So that's kind of one example. 114 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: But also, you know, infrastructure that allows astronauts to live 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 4: and work and carry out their scientific experience for extended 116 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: periods of time without constant resupply from Earth. So just 117 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: making sure we have good power systems, good communication networks, 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: life support systems, and of course food, water and oxygen. 119 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: So we're talking about a presence for scientific discovery purposes, 120 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: not necessarily an ambition to kind of establish human colonies 121 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: as an alternative to life on Earth. 122 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: I think the world wants to definitely head in that 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: direction of having a colony on the Moon, having a 124 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 4: colony on Mars. But in the coming decades, I think 125 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: it is purely research, understanding more about the environment, creating 126 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 4: a base on the Moon to then hop to Mars, 127 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: if that makes sense. It's about creating those highways to space, 128 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: to the Moon and then to Mars. I think in 129 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: the next few decades. 130 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: We'll be back with more of today's deep dive right 131 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: after this. 132 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 4: Here. 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: We have obviously heard a lot about Mars more recently 134 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: than we've seen conversation about the Moon. I suppose you know, 135 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: Mars rovers constant conversations around you know, is their life 136 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: on Mars? 137 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Could we be all headed for Mars one day soon? 138 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: Why is it important also to investigate lunar exploration to support. 139 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: That Mars is really really far away? So being able 140 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: to get to the Moon, refeel, restock, and then head 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: over to Mars is one of those are key reasons. 142 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: And I think as well, the Moon is much closer. 143 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: You know, we're able to explore how technologies work, how 144 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: humans live in space on the Moon, which will be 145 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: relevant environments to Mars, not exact. So I guess it's 146 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: just a step closer to being able to create a 147 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: presence on Mars. 148 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: Why send a rover? 149 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: Obviously, space exploration in the twentieth century looked like men 150 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: in white suits going up into space. 151 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: Now it looks very different. 152 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: Have we moved away from human exploration in space? 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 4: I think we haven't moved away from human exploration. I think, 154 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: in fact, we're really coming back to that. You know, 155 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 4: NASA announcing therefore astronauts to return to the Moon as 156 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 4: part of the Artemis missions, which we're supporting. But why 157 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: send a rover first is because it's a lot safer, 158 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 4: a lot more cost effective, a lot more technically feasible. 159 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: You know, with a rover, you don't have to feed it, 160 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: you don't have to give it water, you don't need 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: to make sure it's inside a environment that has, you know, 162 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: the right pressure and the right oxygen. It also can 163 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 4: survive in much more extreme temperatures. You know, I don't 164 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: know about you, but I definitely wouldn't want to be 165 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: in negative one hundred degrees or one hundred degree heat. 166 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's much safer, and we're able to achieve 167 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: the mission objectives with just a robot. So if we 168 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 4: can do what we need with just robotics, then it's 169 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 4: not risking human lives. 170 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: From the kind of construction and development side of things 171 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: with getting this project off the ground. How do you 172 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: test a rover in those conditions? 173 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: How do you. 174 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: Mimic an environment that is so desolate, a hostile that 175 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: doesn't really exist here on Earth to ensure that it's 176 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: going to safely make that journey and get there in 177 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: one piece and do its job. 178 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a very rigorous systems engineering approach. So, 179 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: you know, one of the concerns is thermal environment gets 180 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: very hot and it gets very cold. Another concern is vacuum. 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: We are limited to certain materials that we can use 182 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: so that the rover doesn't outgas. We obviously are very 183 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 4: concerned about you know, going off in our rocket, the 184 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 4: shock and the vibrations that all experience, so it has 185 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: to be structurally sound. Of course, it needs to also 186 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: be considered from a radiation perspective, making sure we're shielding 187 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 4: it correctly and our electronics can work the way it's intended. 188 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, there are a lot of aspects to the 189 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: environmental considerations that we test, and I think we you know, 190 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: start off with subsystem level testing and we'll test them 191 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: in sort of those unique environments that I mentioned, and 192 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: then we'll start you know combining like maybe we do 193 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: thermal and shock gun vibe at the same time. 194 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: And what's the timeline for the rover's first mission? When 195 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: are the experts with the consortium hoping to get this 196 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: up and running later. 197 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: This decade, But still I guess unconfus sorry, I cannot 198 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 4: say space secrets. 199 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: Is it surprising to you that this is the first 200 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: time Australia will send a lunar rover into space. 201 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: I never really thought that Australia would be a part 202 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 4: of something as historic as this, so it's definitely new 203 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 4: and very exciting, and I think when I did first 204 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 4: hear about it, it was a shock. But now it's 205 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 4: it's you know, I've been working on this for a 206 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 4: year and a half. It's my it's my every day. 207 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: But you know, this project allows Australia to showcase it's 208 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: engineering and technical innovation on an international stage and I'm 209 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: so honored to be a part of that. 210 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: Well, Chloe, you are recently graduated from university yourself. You 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: are incredibly young and successful in your field. I'd love 212 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: to know a little bit more about what your day 213 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: to day involvement looks like with the project. 214 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. I actually just graduated a couple of weeks ago, 215 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: so I'm very excited to work full time on this. 216 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: But my day to day changes, you know, day to 217 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: day because every day is a new challenge. It's always uh, 218 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 4: you know, how do we do this? We brainstorm, we 219 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 4: talk about risk, then we build, design, prototype, test, and 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 4: sort of validate and inform our next design. And there 221 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: are lots of different parts of the rover and lots 222 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 4: of different aspects of the mission that are beyond technical, 223 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: like operational. As I mentioned, sometimes you can design something 224 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 4: super well, but if it's not designed to be used 225 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: by humans or to complete the objectives of the mission, 226 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,599 Speaker 4: you know, can dramatically affect your success. So yeah, I 227 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: would say it's very exhilarating. Definitely been challenged, learned a lot, 228 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 4: and increase my technical skills. So yeah, it's been it's 229 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: been a blast. 230 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: What are you most excited for about this whole project? 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: Considering you know, the ruver as we're calling it, from 232 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: start to finish, what are your big hopes for this one? 233 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: I think being in the mission control center and watching 234 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: it land on the Moon safely and drive across the surface, 235 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 4: I think we'd just break my mind. It's just a 236 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: culmination of a lot of people's hard work and a 237 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: lot of years, and we've got a lot of work 238 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 4: ahead of us. But I think that's what I'm most 239 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: excited for, and it will be an incredible moment of 240 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: pride for this nation. Yeah, and I also just want 241 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: to say, like, this isn't a once in a lifetime opportunity. 242 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: It's a once in a century moment. And I hope 243 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: that it won't be a once in a century moment 244 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 4: to be able to explore space, and that the generations 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: that come before us will be more involved. And I 246 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 4: think you know, to talk to younger viewers if they're listening. 247 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 4: You know, it's likely that the first person on Mars 248 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 4: is currently sitting in a classroom somewhere in the world. 249 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 250 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 4: And the first person on Mas is most likely a woman. 251 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 4: So you know, you you have the opportunity to further 252 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: human explorations. So now is the time we have this 253 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: mission and we're standing on the cost of something really extraordinary. 254 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: Maybe the first person on Mars, he's a woman, and 255 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: maybe her name is Chloe Jank Chloe, thank you so 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: much for your time today. That was really, really fascinating. 257 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: We so appreciate you breaking it down for us, and 258 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: hopefully I'll chat to you in a few years time 259 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: from that mission control room. 260 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: Let's go, but so lovely to meet you m on. 261 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: Have a lovely day. 262 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for on today's podcast. Thank 263 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: you for joining us for that exploration of outer space. 264 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: We'll be back again this afternoon with the headlines you 265 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: need to know, but until then, have a wonderful day. 266 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Adunda 267 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcoton woman from Gadigol Country. 268 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on 269 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 3: the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respec to 270 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: all Aboriginal and torrest Rate island and nations. 271 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries, 272 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: both past and present.