WEBVTT - The murder of Elisa Lam

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty thirteen, the front desk at the Cecil Hotel

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<v Speaker 1>in La got a lot of complaints about the water

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<v Speaker 1>in the rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It had a really off taste, the pressure was really low,

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<v Speaker 1>and some had even started coming out black before it

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<v Speaker 1>would then clear up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I don't believe that's what water should be. Uh uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the Cecil Hotel wasn't really that high class and establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>so they've got a lot of complaints. But on these

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<v Speaker 1>stay in particular, there were so many they decided they'd

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<v Speaker 1>better go and investigate. Sure, and what they found will

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<v Speaker 1>make your stomach churn, whether you drank the water or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, because in the water tank on the

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<v Speaker 1>hotel's roof was a body. Oh my god, that of

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian tourist Alisa Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I do know a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>this story.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened to Alisa Lamb? Well, your guest may

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<v Speaker 1>be just as good as mine.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, Gee, Love, I am excited for you to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a mystery in its full sense of the word.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, ready for this? Why say you're ready for this?

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna cough in my goddamn place. For Hey there, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to not another crime book. I'm Jammy Peterson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not as always. If you want to skip

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and just listen to the crime story, the time

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<v Speaker 2>codes are in the show notes below. Gee, when you

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<v Speaker 2>were reading the intro, I thought you were going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that famous Pooh restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Famous Pooh, famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Pooh restaurant, famous poo restaurant Sidney. Do you remember when

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<v Speaker 2>people were serving up gelato? But it was like, Pooh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a famous hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this. What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Have I made this whole thing up?

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<v Speaker 1>I hope so, because that's weird. That's a weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get out my cellular phone to find

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<v Speaker 2>out if this is true or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a Sammy and I did another podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Yeah. Actually we are quite tipsy because we

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<v Speaker 2>had a Oh my god, can we just say, can

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<v Speaker 2>you tell us a little bit about this podcast? We

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<v Speaker 2>had a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want me to?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. I think it's really fun that the

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<v Speaker 2>idea is really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast I was on today? Yeah, okay, so Sam

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<v Speaker 1>what I thought you would want to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About it on googling Pooh Restaurant, Sydney. So I've got

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff on my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a guest on a podcast today that Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>is involved with, Yeah, with a wonderful celebrity chef named

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<v Speaker 1>Adrian Richardson. Yes, and he and Sammy are launching a

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<v Speaker 1>new podcast And I was a guest on their podcast

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<v Speaker 1>today and it involves why am I doing the elevator picture?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I want I want to hear it from you.

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<v Speaker 1>It involves them cooking a meat, well not them, Adrian

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<v Speaker 1>for a guest, and talking about the meal and the

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<v Speaker 1>person's relationship with food. Yeah, favorite meals and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Yeah, we had one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it was it was really fun and actually

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<v Speaker 2>got to eat a Are you going to give it

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<v Speaker 2>a yeah? I think so. Yeah. Well, you know, I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a few glasses of wine. I think ideas are better

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<v Speaker 2>after a few glasses of wine. Ah, a beef Wellington

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<v Speaker 2>and it was actually delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Our long term listeners, long term longtime listeners will know

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually went to more Well to cover the

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<v Speaker 1>guys of Aaron Patterson, the Mushroom Lady, Famous Mushroom Lady, Infamous, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Sammy thought would be funny to have me

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<v Speaker 1>on this food podcast being cooked a beef Wellington.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, and we called it a more Wellington, a.

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<v Speaker 1>More Wellington, and I only ingested it about three hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So if by the time this episode comes.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, yes I have perished, yes, yes, yes, yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, maybe you haven't and this podcast was

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<v Speaker 2>never released. Okay, So the headline of this article is

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<v Speaker 2>eleven years later, no one knows who pooped in this

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<v Speaker 2>woman's gelato.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I hate this so much.

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<v Speaker 2>On that day, Stephen and Jessica Whye and their three

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<v Speaker 2>sons went to the Cougi Bay Hotel to watch the

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<v Speaker 2>Rugby League Grand Final with some friends. At some point,

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<v Speaker 2>or at more than one point, the Whites complained for

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<v Speaker 2>the staff about the food, about the restaurant staff, about

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<v Speaker 2>the price of gelato. One ball was Australian nineteen dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>One ball do you mean one scoop? One ball? Ball?

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<v Speaker 1>A bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you saying bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I say it like that. I'm so sorry, one bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>bowl bowl, One bowl was au nineteen dollars. About that,

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<v Speaker 2>and about the fact that they couldn't see or hear

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<v Speaker 2>the match. It sounds like it was something to do

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<v Speaker 2>with logistics of the family friendly day. At some point

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel sent them a complimentary bowl of that price

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<v Speaker 2>of gelato bowl. This huge bowl of ice cream arrived

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<v Speaker 2>at our table as sorry for all the hassle, Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>told the Sydney Morning Herald in late October two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight. There were four scoops, including vanilla, chocolate and hazelnut.

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<v Speaker 2>At the bottom there appeared to be chocolate. Greedily, I

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<v Speaker 2>went for it ahead of the kids, Thank heavens, I

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<v Speaker 2>did the stench, the taste. I spat the food in

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<v Speaker 2>the napking to meet the other sick White claim that

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<v Speaker 2>she had been had a giant bite of human excrement,

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<v Speaker 2>which caused one of her sons to yell, you made

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<v Speaker 2>my mumm eat pooh. The hotel offered the Whites three

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred dollars in exchange for that mouthful of awful

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<v Speaker 2>of poo. They declined, and the hotel accused them of extortion.

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<v Speaker 2>What if the incident did happen as claimed, then it

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<v Speaker 2>may well be an active industrial sabotage, with the hotel

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<v Speaker 2>as a victim alongside your family. General manager Tony Williams

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<v Speaker 2>wrote to the Whites anyway, So yes, the New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales Food Authority tested whatever White allegedly took from the bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>But after you're saying it really naturally now.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than confirming that yes, it was human feces,

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<v Speaker 2>stop saying there weren't any other breakthroughs in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>You mean, while the analysis of a second sample supplied

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<v Speaker 2>by the complaintant showed weak traces of female DNA, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no help in determining who may have contaminated the food.

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<v Speaker 1>Did someone shat in a bowl three scoops of ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream on top of it and served it to a customer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I can't believe you haven't heard of the Koodie Hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I couldn't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the Coodie Hotel. I don't know the Coodie Hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Poo scandal, Yes, the big poo scandal, and not that

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<v Speaker 2>long ago either. So if any other wonderful people in

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<v Speaker 2>the world want to tell us more about that case,

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<v Speaker 2>I would go down.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, okay, this is there has never been a

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<v Speaker 1>clear assign to me that I'm not a parent.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when you were Boom.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said I ate it before the kids could

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<v Speaker 1>tuck in. Thank goodness. My mind immediately went to, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank god, I wouldn't so happy I ate the kids. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to read the boot anyway. This is

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<v Speaker 2>way too much poo chat up top. If we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean to start the podcast like this, but this is

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<v Speaker 2>just how it started. And I guess the people who

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<v Speaker 2>skipped ahead and didn't listen to this bit very happy

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<v Speaker 2>with themselves. I want to say, other than you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are doing this podcast just before and having a

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<v Speaker 2>few drinks. It is a very hot day in Melbourne today,

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<v Speaker 2>like boiling hot. We've got the air con on, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got the blinds down, the blinds that were recently installed

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<v Speaker 2>in the house, which I'm very excited about, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just having a nice relaxed time in the air con.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry if you can hear the air con, but we can.

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<v Speaker 2>We cannot turn it off. It's forty one d it

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<v Speaker 2>is so hot at the moment. But also you and

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<v Speaker 2>I have done a lot of podcasts recently and we went, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to you're getting me to say to you, Sammy,

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<v Speaker 1>you've done a few podcasts recently. Tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we did He Read, She Read? The other day

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<v Speaker 2>we did and it was really really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Two amazing Australian authors, Pomery and Sarah Bailey. They're both well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're each psychological thriller writers in Australia. I've read many

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<v Speaker 1>of their books before knowing they were even Australian or

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<v Speaker 1>I think actually JP's keyw on that. But they do

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast together called He Read, She Read, and they

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<v Speaker 1>invited us on Fantastic and that episode is coming out

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the same week this episode is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>So a post about it. We talk about Truman Capodis

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<v Speaker 1>in Cold Blood and I'm actually going to do that

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<v Speaker 1>story as a story, so don't look too deep into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was, Oh my god, it's fascinating and I

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<v Speaker 2>love going on that podcast. I also went on Mith

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<v Speaker 2>Warhurtz podcast The Moment Myth, which was this week. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be coming out this Wednesday when you're listening to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was also on another podcast called Plumbing the

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<v Speaker 2>Death Star, which we've had Jackson Bailey and Joel Zammitt

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<v Speaker 2>on recently.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the Joel Zammittt did the episode about the

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<v Speaker 1>Great and Jackson Balley did the episode about the Shark

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<v Speaker 1>Arm murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and one day we will get Jackson back on

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the weird thing he said about his

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<v Speaker 2>hair that he just wished that one day it wasn't curly. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted He said.

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<v Speaker 1>He wished that his hair was curly, and over the

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<v Speaker 1>next year his hair just turned curly.

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<v Speaker 2>Bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says this with a straight face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, looked us in the eye one of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't remember which one of them said that. Don't say

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<v Speaker 2>four eyes please, it's very offensive to we have four eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>We have six wears glasses everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you love house your week.

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<v Speaker 1>Bean, Fine, there's really I think that interesting about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not that much to say. I'm going back to

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<v Speaker 1>Tazzy this.

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend and the following weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And the following weekend both for food and wine festival.

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<v Speaker 2>So good, You're gonna have the best time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like things Tasmania food and wine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Lon sestin this weekend for my favorite weekend of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, which is an event called Festivalet. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>food and wine festival in lawn sestin and this is

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<v Speaker 1>not non spawn. It's never been spawn. I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>owned money. For fourteen years now, I've spent my own

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<v Speaker 1>money in every single year in February to go down

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<v Speaker 1>to this festival. It's my favorite weekend of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>You love it, You love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. And then the following weekend is the

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<v Speaker 1>taz Wine Festival in Hoba. Yeah, or as I call

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<v Speaker 1>it home.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it it a winery or something? What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>The Hobo Botanic Gardens? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I had nice. Well that's right in the middle. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you guys are going to be in in

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<v Speaker 1>Tazzi either of those weekends at either of those wine festivals,

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<v Speaker 1>come say hello.

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<v Speaker 2>And why the goddamn hell wouldn't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very big week this week. Gee, love

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<v Speaker 2>because my comedy special the time you're listening to this,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening on the Monday that comes out my

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<v Speaker 2>comedy special, Why the Long Face, will be out on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night, Tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Morrow, tomorrow, watch your tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>A real weird owl in the house tonight. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for saying that weird owl. Weird owl is the today.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a weird owl, I sang our.

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<v Speaker 2>What would I call your weird out?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't understand as well as us.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, anyway, my comedy special Why the Long Face,

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<v Speaker 1>Both of the words you've pronounced weirdly have had the

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<v Speaker 1>you pronounced weird owl. I thought you were saying owl.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bogan that can't goddamn talk proper. But I

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Sammy, do you know the story of Alyssa Lamb?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in for one. So anyone who knows this story

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<v Speaker 1>is already going as one of those stories that so

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<v Speaker 1>many people know, but no one really knows what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving you the preface this week listeners of this

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<v Speaker 1>is it's not even really unsolved. It's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of mysteries. People have different ideas of what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit frustrating because of that. I give you

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<v Speaker 1>their heads up about that, but full visit a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe I've watched a documentary about this a

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<v Speaker 2>long time ago, and I do know a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about the story, but I'm really interested to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>take on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay, are you ready to die?

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<v Speaker 2>I am ready right now. And also just before we

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<v Speaker 2>do get started, no leave it's a five star rating.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay because it's opens happening at the moment. But also yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Ge, you're ready for the story?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here we go. Alissa Lamb was born in Vancouver, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>on the thirtieth of April.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what year, nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's Sammy's birthday. That wasn't just a weird guest

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<v Speaker 1>from him. Her parents had immigrated from Hong Kong before

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<v Speaker 1>she was born, and they were quite not not like

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<v Speaker 1>the typical quote unquote tiger parents. But they were very

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<v Speaker 1>much like you know, she was their baby. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>her to do good in the new country.

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<v Speaker 2>What's a tiger parent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a kind of a term for the like helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>parents of Asian descent, the tiger parents on the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go, We've gone to a new country for you

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<v Speaker 1>to do well, So you must you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor, you have to be.

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<v Speaker 2>A lawyer, or a lot of pressure on you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a colloquial term.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, those parents.

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<v Speaker 1>So Elisa was a good kid and a good student.

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<v Speaker 1>She went to university and she but she had other

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<v Speaker 1>dreams kind of beyond university. She didn't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to do, and bigger dreams than her parents

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<v Speaker 1>had for her in terms of scholarly. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>travel and she wanted to leave a bit more of

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<v Speaker 1>a high life. In twenty ten, she began blogging. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean it's twenty She started on blog Spot

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<v Speaker 1>and moving on to Tumblr, which is the very twenty

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<v Speaker 1>tens kind of conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the following two years, she posted pictures of models

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<v Speaker 1>in fashionable clothing. She pictured. She posted accounts of her life,

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<v Speaker 1>and she often included in these struggles about her mental

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<v Speaker 1>illness or mental ill health. She was diagnosed with borderline

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<v Speaker 1>personality disorder and depression, and she was medicated for these,

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<v Speaker 1>but oftentimes would go off her meds and she would

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<v Speaker 1>post about this in her blogs. Her blog wasn't about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was quite open in her blogs about saying

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<v Speaker 1>things like well, here we go. In January twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>in one blog post, she said that she had relapsed

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<v Speaker 1>and that's her wording, and that that had forced her

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<v Speaker 1>to drop several classes in university, leaving her feeling utterly

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<v Speaker 1>directionless and lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She titled the post You're always haunted by the idea

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<v Speaker 1>wasting your life, which was a quote that she actually

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<v Speaker 1>then had as the epigraph on her blog site. So

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<v Speaker 1>like the kind of you know the heading.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, like the banner thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's so sad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So her blog wasn't about that, but she was quite

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<v Speaker 1>open about her mental strub health on the blog, while

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<v Speaker 1>also showing you know, things about she would write about

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<v Speaker 1>her life, but she would share photos of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of ideal high life, like fashion models in

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<v Speaker 1>Paris and you know that we're all the very twenty

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<v Speaker 1>ten to twenty twelve aesthetic things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, especially on Tumblr. Yeah huge. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She was seemingly doing better in the mental health department

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<v Speaker 1>when in twenty thirteen, when she was twenty one years old,

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<v Speaker 1>she announced her parents that she was going on a

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<v Speaker 1>solo trip across North America.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't ask for permission, she just said I'm going,

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<v Speaker 1>I've booked the train ticket and I'm off. And she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have much money. She was a twenty one year

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<v Speaker 1>old student. But she was really drawn to something on

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<v Speaker 1>this trip, or there's something that this trip was going

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver her. She had this idea in her mind

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to do this trip. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>this solo trip alone, the idea of like a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>She was manifesting something or something like this, which is like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know West Side Story at all?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't. There's a song in Side when You're

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<v Speaker 2>a jet, You're a jet from your.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time day, different song. There's a song in ather

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<v Speaker 1>Tony sing.

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<v Speaker 2>Where He's America.

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<v Speaker 1>No. He sings this song about like having a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that something's coming. I can feel something around the corner,

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<v Speaker 1>something's come in. I don't know when it is, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I can feel the comment something like that, I feel,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop. So she just had an idea that I've been

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to this idea of going on a soul load trip,

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<v Speaker 1>and I need to go. Sure, So she booked an

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<v Speaker 1>Amtrak train, triket.

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<v Speaker 2>Train, trickt friend train, trikets and and also when Jeez

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<v Speaker 2>having it got my berg and voice talking about bowls

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<v Speaker 2>and bowls and all that sort of stuff, she has said.

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<v Speaker 1>Tricket, were you talking about bowls at anything?

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking about bows, talking about poo bows? Who bowls?

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<v Speaker 1>That was a mispronunciation by me, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Pronunciation train.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sing on. I've got to interrupt myself here by

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<v Speaker 1>saying in the last episode, I've had so many messages

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<v Speaker 1>from people saying, ah, you mispronounced the word mispronunciation. I

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<v Speaker 1>did that on purpose to be funny, but people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize I was taking pics, which is also a good

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<v Speaker 1>defensive Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, a magistrate, I employed you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. Anyway, she had booked the Amtrak ticket, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a train that would take you from Canada to America,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she was she booked a couple of train

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to travel kind of into city into

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<v Speaker 1>state buses and trains, making she didn't to fly. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be done kind of on the cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>For those in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but yeah, sure. So. In January twenty thirteen, Alissa

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb stopped off in her first stop off California.

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<v Speaker 2>The land of dream. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She stopped first in San Diego for a few days,

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<v Speaker 1>where she posted photos on her blog from the famous

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego Zoo. Do you know what movie that features in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we bought a zoo? Nope?

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<v Speaker 1>Anchorman?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is that where he goes into the pit down

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<v Speaker 2>there San.

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<v Speaker 1>Diego Whales Vagiant Yes, I think I mean sant Diego No, agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, And also we bought it Zoo.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's no, it's a different day. After a few

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<v Speaker 1>days in San Diego, it was then onto the sparkling

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<v Speaker 1>lights of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lived on January twenty six, which coincidentally is two

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<v Speaker 1>days time away from when we're recording this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's it's actually released on the day that

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<v Speaker 2>we're Oh my god, yees. Yeah, that's more relevant. Two

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<v Speaker 2>days away. That's what we're released one they.

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<v Speaker 1>Did it here, She checked into a hotel called Stay

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<v Speaker 1>On Maine. It was an almost ninety year old, fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>story hotel, but the name itself was only two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Before it was called Stale Maine, it was called the

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<v Speaker 1>Cecil Hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Bump bump.

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy Peterson, have you heard of the Cecil Hotel? I

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<v Speaker 1>have not now how we would pronounce it in Australian

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<v Speaker 1>is Cecil?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>E c I l yes, Okay, the Cecil Hotel?

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<v Speaker 2>But in a mer by cho Bob's brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Is his name Cecil? So Drew Cecil? Doesn't that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well he's no sideshow is side show? Bob's first name?

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<v Speaker 1>See his name is Cecil Bob?

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that played by so Frasier.

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<v Speaker 1>M brother Kelsey Grammar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, do you know what his name is? David

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<v Speaker 2>Hypias who plays Niles in Fraisier.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel we've gone on a tangent here that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, Cecil Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you heard about the very much infamous Cecil Hotel?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think I have it. It's a big ala,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big pink hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like no, you think of the Beverly Hills Hotel. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not that cel. Do you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>call it Cecil or Cecil?

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<v Speaker 2>Call a Cecil?

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<v Speaker 1>The Cecil Hotel was built in nineteen twenty four by

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<v Speaker 1>business by three businessmen for not too shy one point

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars, which today would be about twenty five million.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The three men also put one million in of their

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<v Speaker 1>own to run it on opening now. It was designed

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<v Speaker 1>and built to be the perfect place for business people

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<v Speaker 1>to stay, so kind of like in these days, like

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<v Speaker 1>an air airport hotel or like an Best Western, those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things, but fancier than they are now, because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really a thing then. It was more rare

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<v Speaker 1>for there to be kind of a dedicated place where

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<v Speaker 1>business people will go and stay with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sure it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Had an opulent marble lobby with stained glass windows, potted

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>indoor plants, and ornate statues.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh as long as there are nate.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:47.120
<v Speaker 1>They were ornate. It was fourteen stories with seven hundred rooms.

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, seven hundred. Wow.

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>It opened in December of nineteen twenty four, and it

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>did pretty well. But do you remember what happened? To remember?

0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 1>You went around them but do you know what happened

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty nine in America?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty nine?

0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>No, the Great Depression?

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, okay?

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>People losing jobs, certainly, no one traveling for work, and

0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 1>the seesel quickly started hemorrhaging cash. As well as that

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the nearby area known as skid Row. Oh sure, became

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>increasingly populated with transience.

0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>As many as ten thousand homeless people lived within a

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 1>four mile yeah wow, four mile or six kilometer radius

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of the hotel.

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Is this during the Great Depression? Oh? My god?

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So the Cesil Hotel was built in what is now

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 1>known so it's very much it's on skid Row.

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure.

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>When it was built, it wasn't the homeless area, that

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a very drug affected area it is now known as

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 1>and was known as not long after it was, but

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>it was you know when I say this or not? Unfortunately,

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly where it was built. Sure, And would you

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like to sing me the song you know about sk right? No? Okay,

0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that was really cruel. This a song from Little Shove

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 1>of Horrors called skid Rock.

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 3>So no one wanted you go downtown? Where don't stop downtown?

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Whaddy taps don't stop downtown when that is quol down,

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 3>un skinned road down, un skid roll down.

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>N skid roll down, askid road.

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Down, non skid roll down, a skiv roll down skin road.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Poor all my life, I've always been poor. And it

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>tells me, and it tells me. Gee, I'm not sure

0:25:54.160 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 2>sweep that floor, kid, Oh down, I'm offen was on

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the street here on scared Row. Yeah, anyway, I could

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>do the whole thing, but I won't do the whole thing.

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Guys, that was Sammy singing far longer than I did. Yeah,

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.159
<v Speaker 1>and I've never been prouder or more turned on in

0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>my mind a minute then, Right? No one wanted to

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>stay at the Cecil Hotel post great depression, Oh sure,

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:26.360
<v Speaker 1>very it was.

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:26.479
<v Speaker 2>It was.

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>It turned into a very very bad area. Certainly, no

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>one who wanted to stay there would be willing to

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>pay high prices, so they had to slash the room rates,

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 1>and the people that ended up that they'd ended up

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>attracting were less than desirable.

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Sure it was more like a hostile I guess at

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 2>that point than it was a Yeah.

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It's occupancy and its reputation that sank hard and fast. Wow,

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it turned into an kind of almost unofficial halfway house. Sure,

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the owners of having to offer up rooms either for

0:26:56.240 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>long or shirt short term stays as well as by

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the night.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Sure. And also like you know, ten thousand homeless that is,

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that is an insane number. So you think like, yeah, sure,

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>like if if there's enough money there from maybe a

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>day of whatever that yeah, sure, a night here.

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>And there, And the hotels are remembering they're putting in

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.719
<v Speaker 1>what you know, in today's money was twenty five million

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars within the first four years. No one's traveling anymore.

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're.

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Kind of going right. If someone wants to stay here

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 1>for a month and pay us not much, but there's

0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a room rented for a month, Sure will take whatever.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>If someone wants to hire it for an hour to

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>bring someone to sure, yeah, says It became a notorious

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>rendezvous spot for adulterous couples, sure, drug activity, and a

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>real common ground for sex workers.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Its reputation wasn't helped by numerous i'll call them bad

0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>incidents that happened there, which is why I asked if

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 1>you'd heard of it. In fact, the Sasle Hotel was

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the inspiration for the hotel in American horror story.

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and this is why right.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>The first reported suicide was in nineteen thirty one, a

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>guest named W. K. Norton died in his room after

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>taking poison capsules. This was to be the first of

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>many suicides in the hotel through the nineteen forties, thirties, forties,

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and fifties, everything from gunshots, jumping out of windows. One

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>person even slit his own throat in the hotel room. God,

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and it was nicknamed by the locals as the suicide Hotel.

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so sad.

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty four, a nineteen year old girl woman

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>called Dorothy jen Purcell, were sharing a room at the

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Cecil with her boyfriend when she woke up in the

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night having stomach pains and realized she

0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>was going into labor. Oh wow, She said. She didn't

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>want to wake her boyfriend, so she went into the

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>bathroom where she gave birth. This is really awful. I

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>just got all of this is awful. Thinking that the

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>baby was dead.

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>She threw it out the window and baby at the window.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>The baby landed on the roof of an adjacent building.

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Dorothy Jimpisell was charged with murder. Three psychiatrists at her

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 1>trial testified that she was mentally confused quote unquote at

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the time of the incident, and she was found not

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:40.479
<v Speaker 1>guilty by reason of insanity. In nineteen sixty four, a

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>retired telephone operator named Pigeon Goldie.

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Osgood amazing name.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:48.959
<v Speaker 1>Is that not the best name you've ever incredible, who

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>had been a well known and well liked long term

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>resident at the Cecil Hotel.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>A resident. So actually people would live.

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>There, yes, as I was saying that they ended up

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of just taking whatever. Yeah, and long time in

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>long term people. That was kind of like if people

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>are saying they're going to stay here for good, sure, yeah.

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>She was found dead in her room in nineteen sixty four.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>She had been raped, stabbed, beaten, and her room ransacked.

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>A man named Jacques b Elinger was charged with her

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>murder because he was seen covered in blood roaming the

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>streets close to the hotel in the hours afterwards, but

0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>he was later cleared as a suspect, and to this day,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty six, her murder remains unsolved.

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen eighties, the Cecil hotel was the temporary

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>residence of one Richard Ramirez.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yep, the night named the Nightstalker.

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Ramirez was how I know it.

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 2>This is how I know this hotel. Actually, yeah, okay.

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>And that's how most people have he yes, okay, tell

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Richard Ramirez was a regular presence in the skid Row area,

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.640
<v Speaker 1>according to a hotel clerk at the clerk at the

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Cecil who had known him, He had stayed at the

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Cecil for a few weeks. Now, I'm not going to

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>go into details here because we'll do that as an

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>episode at one point, but Richard Ramirez reportedly committed fourteen

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>murders while residing at the Cecil hotel. Yes, yeah, horrifyingly,

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the hotel then became a bit of a draw card

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>for other killers, killers inspired by Ramirez. In nineteen ninety one,

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>an Austrian by the name of Johann Untawga stayed there

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>for five weeks with one plan to bring back and

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>murder sex workers, which he did three times over, somehow

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>getting all three bodies out of the hotel without ever

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>being seen or at least never being reported.

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>He went on to murder more women and was eventually

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>caught and hanged himself in prison. Also on the Cecil Hotel,

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of talk about paranormal activity, most sightings,

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>ghost theories, etc. And we will get into that more later.

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>In twenty eleven, the hotel's name was changed from the

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Cecil Hotel to Stay on Maine, in a direct effort

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>to distance it from its past. Okay, I have given

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you a handful of notorious, horrendous things that have happened there.

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>There are more, sure, but it's underne management. They're trying again.

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's change the name so people won't look up

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>where to stay in La. Well, I'm not going to

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>stay at Sesalo. Sure, let's call it Stay on Maine.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And that takes us up to the year twenty thirteen.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>When Alyssa Lamb checked in on February nineteen, twenty thirteen, Guests,

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call it the Cescil at the Cecil started

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>complaining about really yuck water in their rooms. It was not,

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>by any means a high class establishment, so complaints were common,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>but there were a lot about this one issue that

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the water was running black, there was very low pressure,

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and some people noted that it tasted off or sweet.

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh Okay.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>So they sent a maintenance guy to check out the

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>four water tanks that they had on the hotel's roof.

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>One was like there was one that was larger than

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the other three, and it had the main water supply

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>for the hotel. It was on Sorry, it was four

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>by feet eight Oh my god.

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Four by feet eight yep. Written that down.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Four by eight feet sure tall, so you think about

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>like a you know, a tall person is six foot yep.

0:33:58.040 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Two feet taller.

0:33:59.000 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Than that, yep.

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 1>And then twelve feet wide.

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was propped up on concrete blocks, and

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you saw the four of them.

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>The biggest water was that. So it stood about like

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>the top of it was about nine feet high in.

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Order to nine if you want.

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, in order to get up to check them out,

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>like check out what was in there, the maintenance work

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and needed a ladder. Obviously it's kind of nine feet up,

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and so he put it propped a ladder up against

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>this main water tank. And when he got up there,

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.920
<v Speaker 1>he saw that the hatch to the main tank, so

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>like the kind of a door that you could get

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>into it was open, which it shouldn't have and was never.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I've definitely seen a documentary about this. Yeah.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was dark in the tank, so we got

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>out a lighter to see if he could see anything.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And what he saw when he lit the lighter would

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>terrify anyone. He saw a face looking back at him.

0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, how terrifying.

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>It was a woman naked, lying, face up and very

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously dead. It was clear as well that she'd been

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 1>there for quite some time, hence the water issues. Can

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you even think like the people complaining that the taste

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 1>was of or I just I can't. It actually makes

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 1>me want to be sick. Emergency services were obviously called

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and the body of this woman was removed. They had

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>to do it incredibly carefully because of the state she

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was in, as in the state of decomposition. They had

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>to actually cut into the tank and drain it and

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>completely like remove her from the bottom of the tank

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that way, after it was drained. In details about why,

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine her clothes were off her body, so

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.479
<v Speaker 1>she was naked, but her clothes were in the tank

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>as well. Yes, and her clothes were all coated in

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>what has been described as a sand like substance. Okay,

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately it was, of course, the body of twenty one

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>year old Alyssa Lamb. So let's go into Alissa's timeline.

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 1>She checked into the Cecil Hotel on January twenty six

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.839
<v Speaker 1>after her few days in San Diego. At this time,

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it was a low budget hotel slash hostel where people

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>could choose private rooms or hostel style dorm rooms, while

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>entire floors were dedicated to full time residents.

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Alisa was initially put in a shared room on the

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>hotel's fifth floor. However, after a few days, her roommates

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 1>complained about what the hotel's lawyer would later describe as

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 1>certain old behavior from Alissa, and she was actually moved

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>to a room of her own after three days because

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the people complained about her vents didn't want to be

0:36:57.680 --> 0:36:58.359
<v Speaker 1>in a room with her.

0:36:58.440 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>She was apparent leaving notes for the roommates that said

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>go home and go away.

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't talk to them, but she was leaving them

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>these notes.

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>And she would lock the door to the room and

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>say she required a password for entry, like just kind

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of behavor to behavior.

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>So the hotel actually said we're going to give you your

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 1>own room for no extra charge, but you know, just

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>to kind of keep the peace you and stay in

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.399
<v Speaker 1>your own room. And she was moved into that room

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>on January thirty one, when she packed up and moved rooms,

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that was the last time anyone saw a Lisa Lam alive.

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>On her journey. She had been calling her parents every

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 1>day during the trip, but on January thirty one, she.

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Did not Did they notice any oh, you probably go

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 2>into spent any odd behavior about her.

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 1>When it got to that evening, her parents tried calling

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>her and she didn't answer, so they tried again, same thing. Sure,

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 1>no answer, So they called the whole tell that went

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and checked on her. Elisa wasn't in her room, but

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.399
<v Speaker 1>all of her stuff was, so she hadn't checked out

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and she was actually expected to check out on February one,

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 1>so they waited for them. She didn't check out. That's

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the day that police were called and she was reported missing.

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Police with their sniffer dogs searched the hotel quote unquote

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>as best they could without a warrant. Sure, and the

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>sniffer dogs picked up no sense of her whatsoever, but

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>they weren't legally allowed to search all the rooms or

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a warrant to search. They were just

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 1>asked to come into search. And because there were full

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>floors that were like that had full time residents residing

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>on them, they didn't have access, they didn't have a

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>warrant to search.

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So the dogs were allowed in that circumstance of just war.

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the dogs were allowed that the police are

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 2>allowed to. I don't know why that the dogs need

0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:58.879
<v Speaker 2>a separate warrant, but yeah, so basically floor to floor

0:38:58.880 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 2>they're allowed to.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>L said, you can come and search the hotel, but

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the areas, the rooms, the floors that were full time residents,

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 1>they weren't allowed to search that without a warrant.

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 2>At that point, right, Okay, yeah, I mean that makes sense.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Without a warrant you can't.

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So the sergeant who was in charge of the search

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 1>at that point, man called Rudy Lopez, later said, we

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't search every room. We could only do that if

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 1>we had probable cause to believe a crime had been committed. Right,

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 1>So he admits the initial search wasn't that deep. Now

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying to you, as we know where Elsa ended

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>up being found. They obviously didn't check the water tanks. However,

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>they did check the roof and dogs up there didn't

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>oh did pick up any center for he now. On

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>February sixth, so five days after Elisa had last been seen,

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the LAPD decided more help was needed. They started posting

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 1>flies with her image around the neighborhood online. Getting no

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>leads from that, the LAPD released CCTV footage of Alisa

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the last time she was seen. And this is when

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the case went mental, because that's exactly what the CCTV

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>footage was. And this, Sammi, is when you're going to

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>remember when you've seen this case before. On February thirteen,

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they released CCTV footage taken from February one. It is

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>classic grainy CCTV footage. Alisa Lamb gets into a hotel

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 1>elevator and presses a lot of buttons very carefully. You

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>remember footage. This footage, CCTV footage of her in the

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>lift is very fat well infamous. Yes, yeah, So if

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>anyone's been thinking this sounds familiar, this is what you

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>will have seen. You've you've got to go and watch

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we should post it on the Instagram. The

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>footage of it, it's really odd. I'm going to describe it.

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Here is best, but you can.

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Just see it is really really, really strange. I'm going

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to describe it as best as I can. She gets

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 1>into the lift and she presses a lot of buttons,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 1>but really carefully and really slowly. She's not doing like

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the scene in El. He's not smashing

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>his hand, methodical, slowly and really like thinking about it.

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>The buns individually, one by one, slowly and carefully. She's

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 1>up very close to the pad, and she's moving very

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>strangely slowly, like definitely like panicked. Is the late is

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the last word you'd used to describe. Sorry, But while

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>she's pressing all these buns, the doors remain open. The

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 1>lift doors aren't closing. She walks back and forth in

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.720
<v Speaker 1>the lift a bit, and at one point actually pops

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 1>her head out of the lift and looks down the

0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>corridor in one direction. Remember, it really looks like she's

0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of seen if anyone were there. But then she

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>steps back into the lift, and it gets even weirder.

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>When she steps back in, she goes right to the

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>back of the lift and looks like she's trying to

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 1>hide against the corner. She's not like cowering, she's standing up,

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>but she's pressed as close back to the wall as

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>she possibly can, and she starts to do this kind

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 1>of like strange side step kind of movement. And I

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>think the scariest part is that where she is quote

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>unquote hiding, where she's pressed up against the wall of

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.879
<v Speaker 1>the lift is so when she popped her head out

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and looked up and down the corridor, the direction she

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>looked in where she then gets into the lift and

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 1>stands back against the wall, if someone were to come

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:01.439
<v Speaker 1>from the direction she'd been looking to walls where she's

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>standing is where like that would be the last place

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>they'd see.

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, do you know what I mean? I do understand.

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It looks like she's hiding from.

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Whatever she was thinking. Was there? Yeah, yeah, thinking scene scene.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's no longer pressing the button, So the doors

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>are still open at this point, so she's pressing all

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the buttons, pops her head out, then comes back in.

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't press buttons anymore. Then after a little while

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>she goes to get out of the lift, and she

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>sorry she gets out. So the reason I say about

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 1>her not pressing the buttons anymore is because, like in

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the first place, she's pressing these buttons really methodically, you

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of go, well, the doors aren't closing, so she's

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to get the doors to close.

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she pops.

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Out her head and has a look around, and then

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 1>she gets back and does this weird hiding thing. But

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>she's not doing like are like, you know, pressing the

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>button close it all. She's not pressing any buttons At

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>that point, we'd kind of think of you wanted the

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>doors to close.

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Very quickly, pressent anything to that point.

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So then she gets out of the lift and

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>she stands in the corridor and she looks again the

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 1>direction she was looking in before, and she stands there

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and she really looks like she's talking to somebody. Now

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no audio CCTV, but she's standing there and she's talking,

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and she's moving in a really like animated way, like

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 1>her hands are moving a lot, but it's not a

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.320
<v Speaker 1>natural animated way, so like I'm someone that talks a

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>lot with my hands, she's not doing that. It looks

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>like almost robotic, or people have described it as looking

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a bit like a marionette puppet on string. Her hands

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 1>are doing old movements in strange ways and really really

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>really over the top. She then steps out of frame,

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and when she steps out of frame of the CCTV footage,

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>that's when the lift doors finally close for the first time,

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and they open again immediately, and then they close and they

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 1>open and they close and they open. They do this

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 1>a few times. It's fuck, it's.

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Quite it's quite possessed that footage. Yeah, that's what it

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>felt like. I remember watching that going. Oh, the way

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that they close her movements and then the touching of

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the of the actual buttons as well. It feels yeah,

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:13.439
<v Speaker 2>very off.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Now this CCTV footage goes and I mean this in

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>no way hyperbole viral.

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Sure what was this twenty thirteen tuesdays Yeah, yeah, okay.

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Right, one single Chinese streaming site. So this has happened

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>in van in La. Yes, about a girl from Vancouver

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>and one Chinese streaming site it was posted on got

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>three million views in the first week. Oh wow, that's

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>just like a little snippet of viral.

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:44.959
<v Speaker 2>This is justin Bieber numbers.

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>They are just Reber numbers. Are you gonna see Harry

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Stiles when he comes here to Melbourne? No? Oh my god,

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I am and we okay. Anyway, Internet sleuths had an

0:45:57.000 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 1>absolute field day with this vision, and they still are

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to this day. Now. The video itself is timestamped, but

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the timestamp isn't clear right video quote. Experts say that

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>it's they think it seems to show that fifty eight

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.240
<v Speaker 1>seconds is missing.

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember that, yeah, yeah.

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>From the middle of the video. Others say that it

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>is sped up and slowed down in parts, and that's

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 1>why the movements.

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Look we packed.

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not clear enough to obviously go oh, well, look

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:36.240
<v Speaker 1>there's it goes from you know, ten forty nine straight

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to eleven oh three and there's no time in between.

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>But but kind of people that have like picked it

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>apart say no, there's some things here.

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Cool. Yeah.

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, after this, after she was reported missing, which was

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the day that this sea said, even before she was taken,

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the only person that ever reported seeing her again after

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>her roommates when she left when she moved out was

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the owner of a bookstore that Alisa had gone to

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>on jan thirty one, So that was the day that

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.560
<v Speaker 1>she was that she changed rooms. Yepkay, she went out

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to a bookstore. The owner of the bookstore reported that

0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 1>she was out going, very lively, very friendly, and she

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was there buying gifts to take home to her family,

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 1>and she was even saying things like, I need to

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>get books that aren't too heavy because I've got to

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>keep them. I've got to travel around with them before

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>i go back home.

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, sorry, not heavy in content, no.

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Physically, I've got sure. Yeah, so this kind of shows

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 1>that she was planning on still traveling around for a while.

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, sure, and she's talking to it. She's talking

0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to her family all the time. Anyways, that was like, yeah.

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.160
<v Speaker 1>So, what the hell happened over the coming hours between

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:51.240
<v Speaker 1>shopping for books for her family and this crazy footage

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.600
<v Speaker 1>of her in the lift. In trying to find this out,

0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>people turned to her blog, which was called Novelle nouveaux?

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>What is new? New?

0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Novelle?

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Novelle like novella.

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna look at up.

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>You need to if you don't want to going to

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 2>if you are just relaxed and having fun after a

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 2>few glasses of wine, tonight, door about it?

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Novelle nouveau.

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>That's it?

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, look hang on when I when I google that,

0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>it says tumbler.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 2>But also like that, you know, being French Canadian, I

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>imagine this is quite novellea means what does it mean?

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 1>They're both? They both mean new that one's masculine, one's feminine.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah you new, you knew. Okay, I didn't expect that,

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 2>but sure.

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Harry styles two as called together together.

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to not see that.

0:48:55.800 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>People turned to her blog New New, which, as I

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 1>had said before, had in the past described her struggles

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>with mental ill health. Yes, now, she had had periods

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>where she had gotten and she'd spoken about on her

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>blog that she'd gone off her meds and had once

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:16.759
<v Speaker 1>been hospitalized. So could what have happened to her and

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.799
<v Speaker 1>her ending up in the water tank or sorry, at

0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:23.320
<v Speaker 1>this point they hadn't found her body, like had whatever

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 1>had happened to her been a mental health episode? She

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>had actually scheduled posts on her tumblr blog for the

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>next ten months ten months, and yes they kept updating

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.240
<v Speaker 1>after her death, which is really traumatic for her family,

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.719
<v Speaker 1>but also like to, for want of a bitter term,

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>exciting for the people who which we will go into,

0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>had a bit like a bit of excitement about potential

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:55.560
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity around these So she went missing. She was

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.760
<v Speaker 1>found three weeks later, and then for ten months after

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.720
<v Speaker 1>that to her bog blogs were still updating.

0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Ten months after That's such a long time.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Which is weird in itself, Like, can you imagine you

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and I get excited and proud of ourselves if we

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>schedule a post like a few days in advance.

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely imagine scheduling ten months is wild.

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>So people still think there's a bit of like paranormal something.

0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 4>About sure, okay, yeah, But one thing that came from

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:29.239
<v Speaker 4>the fact that the post kept updating was the fact

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.720
<v Speaker 4>that her readers really believed that if she had planned

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 4>to take her own life, she would have posted about that,

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.720
<v Speaker 4>at the very least something cryptic, something telling.

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she had been open about her mental ill health

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and her battles in the past, so if she had

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>been planning on taking her own life, her readers really

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>believe she would have alluded to that, if not actually

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>said that, Especially the fact that then the blog posts

0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>kept going up afterwards. They're like, why would she have

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 1>scheduled posts if she was planning to not be here?

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 1>If those posts didn't reference that at all, Her dedicated

0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 1>reader is really really believed that she had also been

0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 1>out shopping for books for her family. Remember, so what

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 1>if she was planning on taking her own life. Why

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>would she have said to you know, why would you

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>be going buying books for a family and saying I'm

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:26.880
<v Speaker 1>going to need to take them traveling around with you

0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the time. Because this is one of the first things

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that came out, Like before her body was found, it

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, right, she has had mental little health in

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the past, she's gone missing, this is something that could

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>have happened. Even once her body was found, they were

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>always looking into whether suicide was a possibility.

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Now, when she was found in the water tank, she

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>did have her hotel room key on her, which they

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>said kind of proved that she planned to go back

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>to her room afterwards. What wasn't her on her person though?

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Was her mobile phone? Nor was it in her room?

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, which has always.

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Been a big question mark over that. So the theories

0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 1>were that that could have been stolen from her room,

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.760
<v Speaker 1>like she's gone, she's left her room rope and people

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>have gone in and stolen her. But her laptop was

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>still in her room, which seems odden still anything, Yeah,

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 1>there's never any explanation about where her phone was never

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:34.040
<v Speaker 1>been found. Now, once they did find her body and

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 1>they were still talking about whether the suicide was possible.

0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:40.640
<v Speaker 1>That did not in any way explain how she would

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:45.840
<v Speaker 1>have got up onto and into the water tank, let alone.

0:52:45.880 --> 0:52:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Why right, So, firstly, the hotel manager said there was

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 1>no way she would have been able to get onto

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the roof herself. Yeah, like, don't even talk about the

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 1>water tank.

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Yet.

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 1>She would not have been able to get up onto

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.799
<v Speaker 1>the roof on her own. It was only accessible by

0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:10.439
<v Speaker 1>fire doors that were alarmed, and the alarms never went off.

0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Now you can kind of go, but there's a shit hotel.

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>We know that it's right. But there was a maintenance

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 1>worker that gave evidence and testified that that alarms were

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:27.839
<v Speaker 1>checked three weeks before and they were working. So now

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of looking into whether someone's either let her

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 1>up there or maybe taken her up there. Some internet

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:36.399
<v Speaker 1>sots have done their own research and say that you

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>could actually get up to the roof fire fire escapes

0:53:40.480 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>if you really wanted to without the alarm, so as

0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>fire escapes kind of the outside of the building.

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, sure, So.

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 1>There is a bit of kind of question mark put

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 1>over that you could have got up there if you

0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.640
<v Speaker 1>really wanted to, the easiest way would have set off

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the alarms. So now we talk about the water tank itself.

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 1>It's eight feet tall and on concrete blocks to stand

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 1>even higher, and it is concrete, full concrete, including the

0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.399
<v Speaker 1>lid and the hatch. So the hatch like little lid

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 1>bit itself was twenty pounds, which is about nine kilos.

0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Now nine kilos isn't crazy, No, But Lisa Lamb was very,

0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>very slight, small, twenty one year old woman. How would

0:54:29.280 --> 0:54:34.720
<v Speaker 1>she have got up eight to nine feet without a ladder?

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 1>There was never a ladder found, There was no sign

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 1>of a ladder. It used, how has she got up

0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that high and then opened a latch.

0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:49.319
<v Speaker 2>A hat got in and then and then closed it.

0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, the hatch wasn't closed. So this then, like

0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is very like, well there's this thing,

0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>but there's this yeah.

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the fact.

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:07.839
<v Speaker 1>That it was not closed kind of showed more that well,

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 1>if someone has put her in there, that's if the

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of line of inquirer we're going down and someone's

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>put her in there, they would have surely closed it

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 1>behind them. But that kind of you know, makes it

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 1>less something's gone in there for her. If she'd gone

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.719
<v Speaker 1>in there herself. It would have been near impossible, if

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.839
<v Speaker 1>not impossible, to close the hat right because you think

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it's eight feet tall, it's full of water. She's obviously

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.879
<v Speaker 1>not standing on the bottom, so to be in there

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.319
<v Speaker 1>to then lift yourself up high up out of it

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>enough like while treading water, to then that would have

0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>been near impossible as well. Yes, but there's still the

0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:50.359
<v Speaker 1>question of how the fuck did she get in there?

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 1>There's no ladder ever, and likes a it's a concrete,

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>solid water tank. How does anyone, least of all a

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>small slide twenty one year old female.

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Get up fels impossible of.

0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.480
<v Speaker 1>There were no signs on her body of any defensive

0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 1>wounds or any signs of her trying to get out.

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 1>There were no scratch marks, nothing on her fingernails anything.

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.640
<v Speaker 1>It looked like once she was in there, she was

0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:19.240
<v Speaker 1>she didn't try to get out again.

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Bizah.

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 1>So the theory emerges that a hotel staff member may

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 1>have taken her up there and put her in the tank.

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 1>So they're the ones that have disarmed the alarm on

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the door, which they were able to do. There's no signs,

0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was no ladder or anything. He somehow.

0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's got a ladder, he's put her in there,

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:43.919
<v Speaker 1>he's taking the ladder back with him. Yes, Okay, if

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>this is the case, was she dead already when she

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.880
<v Speaker 1>was put in the water tank or not? Could he

0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:52.160
<v Speaker 1>have held her down in the water and drowned her

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>while she was in there, or could potentially was she

0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.839
<v Speaker 1>already have been decked? Yes, maybe this is why her

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>clothes were off. Now it's important to not hear that

0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 1>there were no signs of sexual assault, but it's also

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.439
<v Speaker 1>important to remember that by the time she was found,

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it had been three weeks and she was really badly

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 1>deferent place. Well yeah, sure, so I think it would

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>be near impossible, if not impossible, to find signs of

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>sexual Yeah. Yeah, Now, one thing I will say, and

0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>this isn't advice to anyone, but it would be a

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>good place to dispose of a body. Yeah, to take

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 1>because it took three weeks for anyone to find her

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 1>and decomposition.

0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:37.840
<v Speaker 2>That's such a long time.

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 1>For a long time. The only reason they even went

0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:42.240
<v Speaker 1>looking there is because the hotel.

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Waters started to take complain.

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gross, gross, gross. But you know you're kind of thinking, well,

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to kill someone. That may be a

0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>good place to hide a body. Sure gets a rid

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 1>of a lot of evidence with the decomposition. Everything I've

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 1>written here, but I've already spoken about it. One thing

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 1>is that the hatch was open. Surely if someone had

0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>killed her and put her in cloth, that would have

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 1>closed it.

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Yesh.

0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there was no ladder found ever, so she's only

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 1>ever seen alone in the CCTV footage from the hotel.

0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 1>She's never ever ever seen with anyone else. The only

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>time is on the morning of Feb one, which is

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the day that this weird ass footage was taken. In

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 1>the fift that day, she arrived at the hotel with

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:35.120
<v Speaker 1>two men, So this is seen in cct footage. CCTV

0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.840
<v Speaker 1>footage from out the front. She's seen arriving at the

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:40.360
<v Speaker 1>hotel with two men, one of whom hands her a

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:43.720
<v Speaker 1>box as they part ways. Now, these two men are

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>never seen again. But who were they and what was

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 1>in that box has never been answered.

0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:55.000
<v Speaker 1>There are reports that she had blogged about a creeper

0:58:55.760 --> 0:59:01.440
<v Speaker 1>at the hotel, but again it's the cecil. Yes. There

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.960
<v Speaker 1>are also conflicting reports that she wrote that post from

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:10.160
<v Speaker 1>San Diego, so she was scheduling posts. It came out

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 1>when she was in la But then people said she

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 1>might have written that when she was in San Diego,

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 1>so it might have been referring to a different hotel.

0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>But this brought up another thing. She'd kind of said,

0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 1>there was a creeper in the hotel. Is there someone

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that's in the hotel that's done something to her?

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:22.800
<v Speaker 2>My god?

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, Elisa's official cause of death was not revealed for

0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>four months after her body was found. At first, the

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.680
<v Speaker 1>coroner's office had told the media that her cause of

0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>death was indeterminate. Then the autopsy itself wasn't revealed for

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:46.360
<v Speaker 1>four months, and when it was released, it had a

0:59:46.400 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 1>heap of mistakes that have been crossed out and rewritten,

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 1>which is just.

0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 2>It's very strange in itself.

0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 1>This autopsy found that she had died by quote accident

1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>too drowning.

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:05.240
<v Speaker 1>She had had a blood alcohol reading of zero point

1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 1>two percent, which sounds like there's a lot of alcohol

1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 1>in your system, but apparently that is normal for a

1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>decomposing body.

1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, right.

1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 1>She had no drugs in her system, illicit nor prescription.

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.120
<v Speaker 2>And you would think with the way she was behaving

1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.360
<v Speaker 2>in the lift and staff was a drug relator, but

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:24.720
<v Speaker 2>there was.

1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 1>A lot of but there were no drugs in her

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.880
<v Speaker 1>system at all. There were no defensive wounds and no

1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>signs that she tried to get out of the tank. Now,

1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the lateness of the autopsy and the weird like crossed

1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:41.520
<v Speaker 1>out mistakes and rewritten things made a lot of people

1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>question if this was some kind of cover up.

1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll get back.

1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:46.800
<v Speaker 1>To this a bit later as well.

1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:52.000
<v Speaker 2>The official Inje was just doing it's my favorite thing

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:53.600
<v Speaker 2>that he does when he does a big stretch, but

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:55.640
<v Speaker 2>his head goes right up like he's looking to the

1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:59.520
<v Speaker 2>skies above. Yeah, you're doing a great job.

1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.920
<v Speaker 1>The official investigation ruled that it was an accidental drowning

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 1>with bipolar disorder as a significant factor. Okay, now that

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:13.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't say suicide, but it says she had bipolar disorder

1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and she accidentally drowned, So it's kind of without actually

1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:21.400
<v Speaker 1>saying it, it is insinuated that it was either suicide

1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:26.520
<v Speaker 1>or her bipolar disorder caused her to get herself in

1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the water tank and then she has accidentally drowned.

1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Bipolar disorder, like does that make you do that? Sort

1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:35.240
<v Speaker 2>of stuff like that that's a.

1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 1>That may be hallucinations, maybe from her going off her meds.

1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:43.840
<v Speaker 1>She was having hallucinations. Sure, she'd taken herself in there.

1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:46.600
<v Speaker 1>It still doesn't to me explain how she got in there,

1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:52.040
<v Speaker 1>not at all. Well, thanks, you have now drool all

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:54.160
<v Speaker 1>over your shirt. He did that right in your face.

1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you bar? Don't let your dad. We're doing a

1:01:58.720 --> 1:02:02.200
<v Speaker 1>podcast kiss right.

1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:04.040
<v Speaker 2>It.

1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 1>The official investigation also records, oh, and this is really ucky.

1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say this, but I'm just going to

1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:12.920
<v Speaker 1>say it because it just kind of brings up some

1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:19.160
<v Speaker 1>more questions. The autopsy revealed that subcutaneous pulling of blood

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:24.120
<v Speaker 1>was found in Elisa's anal area. What's that word subcutaneous?

1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:24.680
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Like under the surface?

1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, which some doctors suggested was a sign of sexual abuse,

1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but one pathologist in the coroner's inquest noted that this

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<v Speaker 1>could have resulted from bloating in the course of the

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<v Speaker 1>body's decons Okay. Her rectum was also prolapsed, which again

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<v Speaker 1>could be a sign of sexual assault, or it could

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<v Speaker 1>be a sign that that could have been something that

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the decomposition process. Because of these things, the

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<v Speaker 1>coroner's pathologists were ambivalent about their conclusion that her death

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<v Speaker 1>was accidental, so they said, we just don't know. So

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<v Speaker 1>the police authorities were concluded it was accidental, but the

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<v Speaker 1>coroner and the coroner's pathologists said, we just don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if we can say that wholeheartedly. Yeah, sure, Now that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the official what the authority said. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to quickly before we finish, go into

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<v Speaker 1>slightly more wo woo theories. Sure, remember I brought up

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<v Speaker 1>paranormal like.

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<v Speaker 2>You, yeah, you're not a woo woo gud?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe in ghosts?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I don't not believe in them, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe in them, if that makes sense. Like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>like they definitely don't exist, but I also like I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in like signs and that things like things happen

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<v Speaker 1>to a bit like well, that's definitely, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that they're Like like, if there are places that

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<v Speaker 1>are haunted, I'm not scared by that. That's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not scared about that. I'm kind of more like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if some you know, if there is a spirit of someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, I believe in something else, but I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>believe in ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to take you right down.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, go for it, just for a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean this our podcast isn't a paranormal one.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's just a couple of paragraphs here to finish

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<v Speaker 1>it off, because this is something that is always spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about in the Alissa lambcar Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The main Woo woo theory is one about a named man,

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<v Speaker 1>A man named Alastair Crowley, who a lot of you

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<v Speaker 1>will have heard of. He was an English oculist, a

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<v Speaker 1>ceremonial magician, a poet, a novelist, a mountaineer, and a painter.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteenth century to early twentieth he founded

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<v Speaker 1>the religion of the Lima and identified himself as the

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<v Speaker 1>prophet entrusted with guiding humanity in the eon of Horus

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<v Speaker 1>in the early twentieth century. I can see eyes glazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Over already we find stuff now.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowley is actually documented as staying at the Cecil Hotel. However,

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<v Speaker 1>he stayed at the Cecil Hotel in London. However, theories

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<v Speaker 1>have swirled that either he could have stayed in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cecil Hotel in las as well, because he'd

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<v Speaker 1>stayed the one in London that was documented, but also

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<v Speaker 1>there have been long term theoriest well before Alyssa Lamb's death,

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<v Speaker 1>that Crowley and other members of his trial or crew

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<v Speaker 1>cohort of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn sure

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<v Speaker 1>opened a portal at the Cecil Hotel back in nineteen eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I don't know if you remember there, says, although

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<v Speaker 1>delon La was built in nineteen twenty four, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps at the site now. Crowley famously drew a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of alien life form. This is like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he's known for that he claimed to have interacted

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<v Speaker 1>with personally, and according to him, again many many men.

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<v Speaker 1>So he died in nineteen forty seven. Alisa Lamb died

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen. Crowley, in his living time before nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven, said he had interacted with an alien that

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<v Speaker 1>he had connected with through a portal, and that alien's

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<v Speaker 1>name was Lamb. Okay yeps in Elisa's surname, Sure Lamb

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<v Speaker 1>lam Yes. People obviously went mental with yeah yeah, yeah, yeap.

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<v Speaker 1>The other connection from Crowley was that he wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>poem in which the Judge of Israel sacrifices his daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>whose name is Celia spelt with an S, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an acronym of Elise. Sure, Okay, Now another anagram theory

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<v Speaker 1>comes up, and this is the one that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>get our tinfoil hats on shore. But this is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's more like it's less paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say it and then see what you think. Around

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<v Speaker 1>the time Alisa went missing, there was an outbreak of

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<v Speaker 1>tuberculosis on skid row. Tuberculosis can be a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a inside effect. Probably isn't the right word, sorry if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting that wrong. Of HIV, so HIV positive people

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<v Speaker 1>can much more easily get TV. The test used to

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<v Speaker 1>test for tuberculosis, especially in HIV positive patients, is called

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<v Speaker 1>making this up. It's called TB LAMB hyphen Elisa literally

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<v Speaker 1>spell lam hyphen e l I s A. Her name

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<v Speaker 1>is Alisa Lamb spelt exactly like that. So the theory

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<v Speaker 1>around this is that Elisa Lamb never actually existed.

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<v Speaker 2>What do her parents think about that?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing? This is the theory is that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was staged to cover up an illegal tuberculosis

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<v Speaker 1>study amongst the homeless of La and skid row in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the body found in the water tank was

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<v Speaker 1>actually someone who had died during their illegal testing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so when it was found and put on the meat

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<v Speaker 1>on the news and in the media, they made up

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<v Speaker 1>the name Elisa Lamb and made this whole story about it. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>She mind, it's fucking weird that that we wed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird. That's what the test is called. Anyway, Sammy, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Are the theories, are they the only theories?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck, They're not a hotel staff member. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything I've spoken about in the whole episode other theories. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel staff member has killed her, taken her up

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<v Speaker 1>and put her in there. She has gone and taken

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<v Speaker 1>her own life and put herself in there. She has

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<v Speaker 1>had a hallucinate. She's hallucinated and ended up in there

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<v Speaker 1>and died and drowned. Yep, there's a portal that opened

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<v Speaker 1>up by Alistair Crowley in nineteen twenty or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Stayed the same hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, there was a TB. Yes, American skid row

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracyy in Foilhat thing. To this day, there has never

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<v Speaker 1>single been a single explanation by police or authorities as

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<v Speaker 1>to how Alisa Lamb managed to get into the tank,

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<v Speaker 1>and to me, that is the biggest mystery. So they've

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<v Speaker 1>ruled it accidental drowning with bipolar disorder as a main factor,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they've kind of said it's either she's had

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<v Speaker 1>an episode quote unquote and ended up in the water

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<v Speaker 1>tank and she's drowned, or she's done that by choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Neither of those things explained how the fuck she got

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Family said anything, Have they commented or have they No, not.

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<v Speaker 1>That I've found through looking into the HOSS bizarre. So

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<v Speaker 1>she the things with the mental health issues and the

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<v Speaker 1>bipolar is that she had had like there had been

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<v Speaker 1>periods of when she'd gone off her medication, she had

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<v Speaker 1>had hallucinations. Yes, I kind of think when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the CCTV footage you're in the lift, it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like someone that could be having an episode like a

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<v Speaker 1>drug effected. Yes, and drug effect did can mean also

1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:04.600
<v Speaker 1>coming down off drugs, whether they are illicit drugs or

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<v Speaker 1>potentially you know, antipsychotic drugs. Yes, it looks like it

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<v Speaker 1>could be a psychotic episode. Yeah, it also looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it could be that she's scared of someone and hiding

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<v Speaker 1>from someone. There are just so many like there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about this is ant said to.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, No, not at all. What do you think, Well, I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, either the portal or I am Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel confident about it is it's not the port I

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<v Speaker 1>had to put that theory in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, it sounds more likely that

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<v Speaker 2>it was someone that she was hiding from, yeah, in

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<v Speaker 2>that hotel, because you know, it feels like there was

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<v Speaker 2>lots of people that it could have been.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of just feel that too. Is that us

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<v Speaker 1>being just like true crime junkies that we just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of want, you know, we want it to be a

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<v Speaker 1>like a crime, because yeah, a suicide or an accidental

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<v Speaker 1>death is not a crime. Do we just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like that the accidental is so unlikely,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like that is how the.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell did she get into the tank? How did she

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<v Speaker 1>get there? How did she get in there?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't feel like that's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine feet up, eight feet up at the very least,

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<v Speaker 1>How did she get up there? What open the hatch

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<v Speaker 1>and get in and why?

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<v Speaker 2>It just does not feel likely. And also like scaling

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<v Speaker 2>the outside of the hotel, like that does not seem likely.

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<v Speaker 2>And also no one saw her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if the alarms didn't go off for her

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<v Speaker 1>going up to the roof through the inside of the hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>she scaled out, it's like she's gone up the fire

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<v Speaker 1>escapes on the outside. That's not an easy thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Why in what state? And even if she was hallucinating,

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<v Speaker 1>how and why has she scaled like gone up the

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<v Speaker 1>fire escape on the outside of the building, got onto

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<v Speaker 1>the roof, and then how the fuck is she scaled

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<v Speaker 1>the side of a concrete water tank.

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<v Speaker 2>It is nine feet off the ground with no like

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<v Speaker 2>a ladder or anything.

1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:02.519
<v Speaker 1>He ever there I mean, but then that's brought up.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there were maintenance workers that went up there in

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<v Speaker 1>that because it was three weeks until she was found.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe someone went, oh, why has the lad been left

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<v Speaker 1>here and moved her and they just never reported that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like, if you find out that this has

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<v Speaker 2>gone old anything, surely, Yeah, I feel like it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be some sort of true crime thing. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>there's someone in the hotel she didn't trust, she was

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<v Speaker 2>scared of. But also having said that, then her leaving

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<v Speaker 2>notes for the people that she was in the room

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<v Speaker 2>with before.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a thing that I didn't write into here,

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<v Speaker 1>but the night before, like the night I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the thirtieth of January, is the night before the

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<v Speaker 1>last time she was seen, she'd gone to a taping,

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<v Speaker 1>a live taping of Conan, right, and she'd actually been

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<v Speaker 1>escorted out for odd behavior. And that's all I could

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<v Speaker 1>find about it. Odd behavior. Okay, sure, so she'd be

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<v Speaker 1>she's been behaving quota oldly erratically. Does that mean? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, a good defense for someone to have

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<v Speaker 1>gone off and done something to her, to have killed her?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that showing that she was spiraling and was not

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<v Speaker 1>in a good place. Yeah, really frustrating. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate the unsolved ones. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to listen a lot of conversation because people

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<v Speaker 1>have so many different ideas about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah like that, you know, lots of different people have so.

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<v Speaker 1>Many conspiracy theorists by any means. But that TB thing

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<v Speaker 1>seems really weird to me.

1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:29.679
<v Speaker 2>That's weird. Yea, it is weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the test is called TB LAMB Melissa, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very strange, but yeah, yeah, it is very weird. Yeah,

1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that's bizarre to me that that is a I love

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<v Speaker 2>to know what the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, this is a yucky detail that I didn't put

1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:48.800
<v Speaker 1>into the script because it's yucky, but now it's probably

1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:56.040
<v Speaker 1>relevant that she was so badly decomposed that she wasn't recognizable. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so they had to do physical tests to discover who

1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:03.799
<v Speaker 1>she was. So it's not like, you know, her parents

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<v Speaker 1>have gone to identify and gone, yes, that's a Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it could have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it could have been some you know, a homeless

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<v Speaker 1>person they were doing tests on and when someone called

1:15:17.640 --> 1:15:20.759
<v Speaker 1>a Lisa Lamb had gone missing, they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say it too. Or the whole thing about the

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<v Speaker 1>story about the parents was that our daughter from Canada

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<v Speaker 1>has gone missing? Is just made up? Is the conspiracy

1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:33.920
<v Speaker 1>theory that no one actually ever there were no parents,

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<v Speaker 1>There were no one, there were no parents in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>saying our daughter's gone missing.

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<v Speaker 2>But they would be able to check that, look that up.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine. It's not like this was like in

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<v Speaker 2>the medieval ages. I don't know, I don't know what happens. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that's that's frustrating in that there's no ant.

1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:55.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm fascinated because I remember watching that documentary

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<v Speaker 2>a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even in the answer that there is, the official

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<v Speaker 1>ruling is that is accidental drowning with bipolar disorder as

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<v Speaker 1>a factor. That doesn't actually say anything, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did she accidentally drown? How did she get in

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<v Speaker 1>there for that to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. You ask me those questions, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm asking you answer me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Why don't you tell us listeners if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to write into something you love, just not

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<v Speaker 2>a company dot com dot au. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>send us a voicemail. The website is called speak Pipe.

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<v Speaker 2>All the links are below.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'd love to hear your theory. I just love

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<v Speaker 1>those stories that I feel I can just talk about

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<v Speaker 1>because more and more people can come up with more

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<v Speaker 1>of the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, Now, g love. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go soon, so we're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>through the goddamn mail bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you always blame me for having to go?

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<v Speaker 1>You've got other things to do as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't. I just have to edit this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what you got to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, I see hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, can I say our last episode was our one

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<v Speaker 1>year anniversary episode, Yes, and so we'd asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>send in some speak pipes and letters and stuff. We've

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<v Speaker 1>just had the most wonderful week with the most beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>miss Thank you so much for celebrating our anniversary in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you have. And can I give a

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to our beautiful listener Jess Percell. We got

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<v Speaker 1>a handwritten note from one of our beautiful listeners called Jess.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I read it to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>My part of the man, it says her magistrate, I

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<v Speaker 1>implore you not another crime podcast has officially served a

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<v Speaker 1>one year sentence on iHeart and has been heard around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. The jury verdict is in and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>crowd fave, not just for the stellar storytelling that takes

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<v Speaker 1>us into the room where it happens, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>people behind each episode, the banter of friendship and humor

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<v Speaker 1>you both share, plus the musical puns are always a bonus.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations on one year of the podcast, Jeordre and Sammy

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<v Speaker 1>from Jess Parcel and then Pratchets, I banked you a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of treats in honor of all the Thursday treats

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<v Speaker 1>you've cooked up, and she made us cookies that were

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped in an orange ribbon because orange is the.

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<v Speaker 2>You're the best. Yes, thank you so much, so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's the best, yest, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. And the cookies. I can't wait to try

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<v Speaker 2>these goddamn cookies. Are you already? Have you heard younowledge?

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<v Speaker 2>You're sitting on the fridge right there, you've already had them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have them right now, Jess, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got some Spotify comments first, Megan, who commented this

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<v Speaker 2>has been the absolute best episode to listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>Can and Barbie Killers. I feel like I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>room with friends and the chaos that ensues after a

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<v Speaker 2>few drinks. Thank you. Oh no, sorry, that was not

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<v Speaker 2>on that. That was on the No, that was on

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth, the fifty second episode. Then we've got another

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<v Speaker 2>one on that same episode. Sorry. That says from Jem

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<v Speaker 2>what is it with dads and myth? In twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>I took my parents to see Spix and Specs at

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<v Speaker 2>the Newcastle Entertainment Center. After the amazing performance of Single

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies opening, Miss started Beard spotting in the audience. Somehow

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<v Speaker 2>she ended up spotting Dad and running down into the

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<v Speaker 2>audience and giving him a hug. It is still one

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<v Speaker 2>of the proudest.

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<v Speaker 1>Tales to tell God Dad's love me.

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<v Speaker 2>So they don't they just this comes from Emma. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Emma Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so many Emmas.

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<v Speaker 2>So many ms from Melbourne, not the famous one in

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<v Speaker 2>la And when I was little, I had a babysitter

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<v Speaker 2>asked if I if it was my mum whose baby

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<v Speaker 2>got taken by a dingo.

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<v Speaker 1>The babysitter us, yeah, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>My mom's name is Leoni Leoni, so she must have

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<v Speaker 2>thought that the names were close enough and must be

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<v Speaker 2>the same. I think I was four at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had no clue what she was talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can imagine my mom when she got home

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked if her baby was taken by a dingo.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's also important to note that my mum

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<v Speaker 2>was only twelve when the incident happened, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>too sure about the babysitter's math skills. I know we

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<v Speaker 2>all struggle with those, so no judgment. XX. One other note,

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<v Speaker 2>I have just spent the past week driving from Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>to Byron and back again, and I have listened to

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<v Speaker 2>at least two of your crime podcasts a day. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, and wow, you guys are amazing. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that I can listen to you guys and still feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm not going to have nightmares. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 2>to keep listening to you guys this year, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for keeping me company on my road trip. Love Emma.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that qushing your babysit bizarre biz.

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<v Speaker 1>Babysitter, not asking the adult who is hired, I know, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Four year four year old. It's very weird and also like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is another example of how many Emma's we have listening.

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<v Speaker 2>This is coming. Emma is left a voice note.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi guys, my name's Emma, not all the other Emms

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<v Speaker 5>that I've already left.

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<v Speaker 1>As we'll join in.

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<v Speaker 5>I bloody love your goddamn horrendus podcast and all the

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<v Speaker 5>amazing banter, love the respectful way you treat the people

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<v Speaker 5>involved in the stories. I was recommended your podcast by

1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:27.240
<v Speaker 5>my sister Kat, who's also left some spig pipes, and

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<v Speaker 5>originally I didn't think I was gonna like the banter,

1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:30.960
<v Speaker 5>but she was like, no, stick with it, and it's

1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:34.880
<v Speaker 5>become one of my favorite parts of the whole podcast.

1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:39.240
<v Speaker 5>I love their episodes, particularly the longer ones. And I've

1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:42.240
<v Speaker 5>found it interesting that from the whole year of podcasts

1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:46.040
<v Speaker 5>and all these horrible, horrendous crimes, the one that's really

1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:49.599
<v Speaker 5>stuck in my mind is the Scott Williams button man

1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:52.640
<v Speaker 5>and the idea that someone took a photo while he

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<v Speaker 5>was sleeping. Yes, has really stuck in my head. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>keep it up. Love your work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you, Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had lots of comments about the button Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely it is so terrifying creepy. And also thank you

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<v Speaker 2>to another Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>You're an Emma out there who's listening and hasn't done

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<v Speaker 1>a speak pipe yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'd love to know how many.

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<v Speaker 1>I've known my EMMA members personally.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't personally know member. Okay, we have. On

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<v Speaker 2>a comment on the Dean Chral episode, Hey guys love,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey guys, love the part of this episode with such

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<v Speaker 2>a hard listen. You both mentioned some other interesting podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>you like, and I was wondering if you would mind

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<v Speaker 2>listing them in the notes for us. Would love to try.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so the ones that we have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned recently have been Wise Crack, That's Dead, Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, ge Unicorn Girl.

1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Which is by the same people as Scamander, which is

1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>another podcast. It's been great. Actually, I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out to one that I haven't shouted out yet,

1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:15.479
<v Speaker 1>but I want to reach out to the journalists who

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<v Speaker 1>did this podcast. It's called Death on the Door or

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<v Speaker 1>Death Alva Beach a l v A Death at the

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<v Speaker 1>Door Alva Beach, Death at the Door is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>A journalist from sixty Minutes Australia has done this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and it's fascinating. It's one of those almost a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like Today's story. Well it's not, but it's one

1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>that it's like it's apparently, by the letter of the law, itselved,

1:23:40.520 --> 1:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>but everyone's like that's not so that's not what really happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I want to reach out to him and see

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<v Speaker 1>if we can get him on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Absolu'd be great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a recommendation for Youstic Beach Death at the Door.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen to that and then we'll have a talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it on another episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Great have this one come from Meg. Happy Birthday, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a shop in Port Douglas and my favorite customer.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite customer conversation topics include my two favorite podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>Not Another Crime Podcast and Everyone Has an X, and

1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:09.920
<v Speaker 2>my two cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh You're one of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>My other interests include discussing Grandma's spelling and punctual ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank God, you're one of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly I've found my home. Thank you, keep please keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>We all love you God.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. That's the best. This is the thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a I think I've always thought I'm a unique,

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<v Speaker 1>annoying human. I know I am still annoying, But what

1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm learning is I'm not that unique. There are so

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<v Speaker 1>many more people finding you this way.

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<v Speaker 2>This comes from SERI I believe ce r I Kerry

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<v Speaker 2>Kerry Kerry. Oh. I was honestly not expecting this. This

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Will Patterson episode, the original Will Perce

1:24:55.800 --> 1:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>It's so completely different to anything I've ever heard before.

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<v Speaker 2>What an incredibly heartfelt telling of when a good person

1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:06.120
<v Speaker 2>makes a bad decision. I'm so glad that we got

1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:08.880
<v Speaker 2>to hear about his life after prison and all the

1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:12.880
<v Speaker 2>wonderful things he had to say about his partner. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a lovely ending to a harrowing the bad kind

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<v Speaker 2>not the good kind story love heart. Yeah, I absolutely yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's yeah. And Will Patterson, as we now know is

1:25:22.160 --> 1:25:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Scott Williams. Yeah, I love that episode. That was such

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<v Speaker 2>a good episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So that, Yeah, go back and look for that if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't heard it, guys, Yes, it's called It's.

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<v Speaker 2>This comes from Gemma, just to put the matter to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was the bonus the Kim Kardashian Paris heist,

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<v Speaker 2>just to put the matter to bear, because I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want us all to be left bereft of an outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Jat's often described as the thinnest, pyallest, and hardest, most

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<v Speaker 2>thicker and when they have been subject to recent reports

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<v Speaker 2>of shrinkification, making them thinner than in the past. They

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<v Speaker 2>are typically characterized as having a softer, more buttery and

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<v Speaker 2>crumbly texture compared to chats can.

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<v Speaker 1>I also say, we've got a lot of gems that listen.

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<v Speaker 1>We do speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Parts of we love you, Eliza, Happy birthday, guys, love

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<v Speaker 2>from down here in Tazzy might not be able to

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<v Speaker 2>sleep tonight after hearing about the button man's moves down

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<v Speaker 2>here truly horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why I'm going there twice in the next two.

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<v Speaker 2>Weeks to find the button.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Eliza, come and help me find the button?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely, And let's do one more from Grace. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Sammy and Georgia love Love, Love your podcast, Love the

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<v Speaker 2>Azaria story. But did you know that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>movie made in nineteen eighty eight that had none other

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<v Speaker 2>than Meryl Streep played Lindsay and Sam Neila's Michael. So, Lindy,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you mean Meryl Streep. Yeah, played Lindy and

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<v Speaker 2>sam Neila's Michael. It is called Evil Angels. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>that good, even though it was at the time the

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<v Speaker 2>most expensive movie shot in Australian history. But it has

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting twist spoiler alert. It has two storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>One that the Dingo's got my baby and I sacrificed

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<v Speaker 2>her as her name suggests. Yes, you read that right.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember watching this on TV when I was much younger,

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<v Speaker 2>but I distinctly remember the two storylines. Continue the great work,

1:27:30.960 --> 1:27:36.320
<v Speaker 2>and I do love the longer stories. It is that

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<v Speaker 2>interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that. That is before the case was entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>Closed, after they kind of Yeah, the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Evil Angels that the appearance had something to do with that, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But also Meryl Streep and Sam Neil. That is such

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<v Speaker 2>a weird mixer hear. Yeah, yeah, we have to watch that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to watch that Evil Angel. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know that that was a did you know that Marle's.

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<v Speaker 1>No or I would have put it in the in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode, yeah, how Bazaar and I wonder you know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was a you know, the most expensive movie shots

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, Wonderful was actually Australian production to get Meryl

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<v Speaker 2>straight out here, like that's quite that's quite nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of work, there's a lot more research

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<v Speaker 1>to be done here into that story. That episode was

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<v Speaker 1>already like two and a half. That was long.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, it's a hard one to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, sorry, Lindy Javelin to bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well thank you as always everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to write in Sammy it just another

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<v Speaker 2>company dot com dot are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd really love to hear people's theories about Elisa Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Missed anything like I know that I have, right, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing. There are so many online theories. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of picked out the like, especially with the paranormal stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That two that are the most commonly spoken about because

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<v Speaker 1>there are so many theories of what happened. Course, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I've just kind of gone through first of all the

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<v Speaker 1>facts of what happened, and then what that could allude to,

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<v Speaker 1>and then just a couple of Yeah, I really am

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<v Speaker 1>interested in hearing people's theories.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah, I love to hear. It kind of reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of the Phoebe hands Jack episode,

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<v Speaker 2>where it just kind of feels like there's no how

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<v Speaker 2>did you like that was the case.

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<v Speaker 1>With Phoebe hands Juck? Is there was one suspect in that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, I know in this one there's.

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<v Speaker 1>None, Like who would have done that?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? It's fascinating love to know about that. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that handed her the box, that is so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>What's my poor peave is when you go to a

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<v Speaker 2>cafe or a restaurant and they give you the really

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<v Speaker 2>short small glasses that you can't put much water in

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<v Speaker 2>it all, or the.

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<v Speaker 1>Really really half Oh I hate why do you hate them?

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<v Speaker 1>I do them because they know people don't really drink

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<v Speaker 1>a full glass of water at a caf.

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<v Speaker 2>They're terrible because they keep coming back to film mine.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like you have to kind of go.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a real thirsty guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Come, what's yours today?

1:30:04.320 --> 1:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Today? You remember the friend a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>When motorbikes speed up to make that stupid loud noise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that doesn't make you whole. It's a single lady

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<v Speaker 2>the exact. Oh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That I just hate when it, especially sitting at like

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant recovery of something sitting outside, and a motorbike

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<v Speaker 1>rides past. Like I know, motorbikes allowed by their nature.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no issue with people riding a motorbike if

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<v Speaker 1>they choose to. Not sure, if you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>more susceptible to death in an accident, that's on you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine. I shouldn't put it like that, yep, But

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<v Speaker 2>why the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck you need to rev and speed up and do

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<v Speaker 1>this stupid over the top loud noises past people standing

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<v Speaker 1>or sitting on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate boys will be born.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's a fucking poor dry peeve as well

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<v Speaker 1>as that's stupid our sentence. No boys, there's not an excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>The softest, most beautiful man, I'm really taking out of

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<v Speaker 1>my mail.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to watch my comedy special, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good plug, good joke. It all for a plug. If

1:31:20.040 --> 1:31:23.559
<v Speaker 2>you'll watch my comedy special tomorrow, God she can, and

1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I got to love that if you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, can I say for the record, Sammy is not

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<v Speaker 1>someone who actually uses the two boys will be boys

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<v Speaker 1>as an excuse. He's the last person in the world

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<v Speaker 1>even to do that. Just realize or rage then I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it absolutely read when you said that sentence. But

1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you are saying to be funny, please, Sammy's Comedy Special

1:31:42.400 --> 1:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>is just the best hour of comedy like that. It

1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>makes you fall in love with him so purely and

1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>so deeply, and it's so funny and it is so

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<v Speaker 1>pure and it is so wonderful and just I implore you.

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<v Speaker 1>Her magis straight. Watch this. You're so lucky that you

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<v Speaker 1>get to see for free that it's on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you g on YouTube. I absolutely love doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just filmed in one take. Quite a nerve

1:32:08.880 --> 1:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>wracking experience to go and do that, But I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>love the night that it was on and I went

1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>into it kind of going, this is just the night

1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:17.200
<v Speaker 2>that I do it. And I had a great time

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. It was so much fun at Comedy of Public.

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<v Speaker 2>So it'll be in the Comedy Public YouTube channel. You

1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:24.519
<v Speaker 2>can follow me personally and sending Peter's an unofficial but

1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll also put it on the Instagram of Not Another

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<v Speaker 2>Crime Ver We will ow Yeah, as always, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver Clark for doing the theme music. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>Tams and Hayes for doing the artwork. Thank you again

1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:39.559
<v Speaker 2>to Mith Warhurst and Oliver Clark for coming on our

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely one year anniversary. It was so much fun. It

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<v Speaker 2>was so much fun.

1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>We asked them both to come here and then we

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of spoke at them for an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, to do much and just a great mix

1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:54.360
<v Speaker 2>of guests. It was just so funny to have those

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<v Speaker 2>two here.

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<v Speaker 1>And the number of people say, I've got to say

1:32:57.439 --> 1:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>that you commented in seeing the YouTube vision or seeing

1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the photos of Oliver Clark wearing his full three piece.

1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:08.799
<v Speaker 1>A number of people that have commented, he's dressed perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>for the airport children.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I have seen that. So funny. Yeah for you,

1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:17.360
<v Speaker 2>your pet pave, he is dressed perfectly for the airport,

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<v Speaker 2>but not for a goddamn motorbike. Thank you Ja this

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<v Speaker 2>week for telling that case.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that I know it's really like like unfulfilling

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no real answer to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Cases always are.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to having discussions with you guys about

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<v Speaker 1>what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, we will see you this coming Thursday as

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<v Speaker 2>well with a very special guest. That's all I'll say.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been practicing this. Oh my goodness, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great week everybody. Bye.