Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, the front desk at the Cecil Hotel
Speaker 1: in La got a lot of complaints about the water
Speaker 1: in the rooms.
Speaker 2: Okay, not for me.
Speaker 1: It had a really off taste, the pressure was really low,
Speaker 1: and some had even started coming out black before it
Speaker 1: would then clear up.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't believe that's what water should be. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: Now, the Cecil Hotel wasn't really that high class and establishment,
Speaker 1: so they've got a lot of complaints. But on these
Speaker 1: stay in particular, there were so many they decided they'd
Speaker 1: better go and investigate. Sure, and what they found will
Speaker 1: make your stomach churn, whether you drank the water or not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because in the water tank on the
Speaker 1: hotel's roof was a body. Oh my god, that of
Speaker 1: Canadian tourist Alisa Lamb.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I do know a little bit about
Speaker 2: this story.
Speaker 1: So what happened to Alisa Lamb? Well, your guest may
Speaker 1: be just as good as mine.
Speaker 2: My god, Gee, Love, I am excited for you to
Speaker 2: tell me this.
Speaker 1: It's a mystery in its full sense of the word.
Speaker 2: All right, ready for this? Why say you're ready for this?
Speaker 2: You're gonna cough in my goddamn place. For Hey there, everybody,
Speaker 2: welcome to not another crime book. I'm Jammy Peterson.
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist.
Speaker 2: I am not as always. If you want to skip
Speaker 2: ahead and just listen to the crime story, the time
Speaker 2: codes are in the show notes below. Gee, when you
Speaker 2: were reading the intro, I thought you were going to
Speaker 2: talk about that famous Pooh restaurant.
Speaker 1: Famous Pooh, famous.
Speaker 2: Pooh restaurant, famous poo restaurant Sidney. Do you remember when
Speaker 2: people were serving up gelato? But it was like, Pooh,
Speaker 2: there's a famous hotel.
Speaker 1: I don't know this. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Have I made this whole thing up?
Speaker 1: I hope so, because that's weird. That's a weird.
Speaker 2: I need to get out my cellular phone to find
Speaker 2: out if this is true or not.
Speaker 1: But there was a Sammy and I did another podcast.
Speaker 2: We have Yeah. Actually we are quite tipsy because we
Speaker 2: had a Oh my god, can we just say, can
Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about this podcast? We
Speaker 2: had a great time.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to?
Speaker 2: I think so. I think it's really fun that the
Speaker 2: idea is really fun.
Speaker 1: The podcast I was on today? Yeah, okay, so Sam
Speaker 1: what I thought you would want to talk.
Speaker 2: About it on googling Pooh Restaurant, Sydney. So I've got
Speaker 2: other stuff on my mind.
Speaker 1: I was a guest on a podcast today that Sammy
Speaker 1: is involved with, Yeah, with a wonderful celebrity chef named
Speaker 1: Adrian Richardson. Yes, and he and Sammy are launching a
Speaker 1: new podcast And I was a guest on their podcast
Speaker 1: today and it involves why am I doing the elevator picture?
Speaker 1: I think it's great.
Speaker 2: I want I want to hear it from you.
Speaker 1: It involves them cooking a meat, well not them, Adrian
Speaker 1: for a guest, and talking about the meal and the
Speaker 1: person's relationship with food. Yeah, favorite meals and things like that.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, we had one.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was it was really fun and actually
Speaker 2: got to eat a Are you going to give it
Speaker 2: a yeah? I think so. Yeah. Well, you know, I've had
Speaker 2: a few glasses of wine. I think ideas are better
Speaker 2: after a few glasses of wine. Ah, a beef Wellington
Speaker 2: and it was actually delicious.
Speaker 1: Our long term listeners, long term longtime listeners will know
Speaker 1: that I actually went to more Well to cover the
Speaker 1: guys of Aaron Patterson, the Mushroom Lady, Famous Mushroom Lady, Infamous, Yes,
Speaker 1: and so Sammy thought would be funny to have me
Speaker 1: on this food podcast being cooked a beef Wellington.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and we called it a more Wellington, a.
Speaker 1: More Wellington, and I only ingested it about three hours ago.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So if by the time this episode comes.
Speaker 2: Out, yes I have perished, yes, yes, yes, yes, but
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe you haven't and this podcast was
Speaker 2: never released. Okay, So the headline of this article is
Speaker 2: eleven years later, no one knows who pooped in this
Speaker 2: woman's gelato.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I hate this so much.
Speaker 2: On that day, Stephen and Jessica Whye and their three
Speaker 2: sons went to the Cougi Bay Hotel to watch the
Speaker 2: Rugby League Grand Final with some friends. At some point,
Speaker 2: or at more than one point, the Whites complained for
Speaker 2: the staff about the food, about the restaurant staff, about
Speaker 2: the price of gelato. One ball was Australian nineteen dollars.
Speaker 2: One ball do you mean one scoop? One ball? Ball?
Speaker 1: A bowl?
Speaker 2: Bowl?
Speaker 1: Why are you saying bowl?
Speaker 2: Because I say it like that. I'm so sorry, one bowl,
Speaker 2: bowl bowl, One bowl was au nineteen dollars. About that,
Speaker 2: and about the fact that they couldn't see or hear
Speaker 2: the match. It sounds like it was something to do
Speaker 2: with logistics of the family friendly day. At some point
Speaker 2: the hotel sent them a complimentary bowl of that price
Speaker 2: of gelato bowl. This huge bowl of ice cream arrived
Speaker 2: at our table as sorry for all the hassle, Jessica
Speaker 2: told the Sydney Morning Herald in late October two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. There were four scoops, including vanilla, chocolate and hazelnut.
Speaker 2: At the bottom there appeared to be chocolate. Greedily, I
Speaker 2: went for it ahead of the kids, Thank heavens, I
Speaker 2: did the stench, the taste. I spat the food in
Speaker 2: the napking to meet the other sick White claim that
Speaker 2: she had been had a giant bite of human excrement,
Speaker 2: which caused one of her sons to yell, you made
Speaker 2: my mumm eat pooh. The hotel offered the Whites three
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars in exchange for that mouthful of awful
Speaker 2: of poo. They declined, and the hotel accused them of extortion.
Speaker 2: What if the incident did happen as claimed, then it
Speaker 2: may well be an active industrial sabotage, with the hotel
Speaker 2: as a victim alongside your family. General manager Tony Williams
Speaker 2: wrote to the Whites anyway, So yes, the New South
Speaker 2: Wales Food Authority tested whatever White allegedly took from the bowl.
Speaker 1: But after you're saying it really naturally now.
Speaker 2: But other than confirming that yes, it was human feces,
Speaker 2: stop saying there weren't any other breakthroughs in the case.
Speaker 2: You mean, while the analysis of a second sample supplied
Speaker 2: by the complaintant showed weak traces of female DNA, there
Speaker 2: is no help in determining who may have contaminated the food.
Speaker 1: Did someone shat in a bowl three scoops of ice
Speaker 1: cream on top of it and served it to a customer?
Speaker 2: Yes? I can't believe you haven't heard of the Koodie Hotel.
Speaker 2: That's what I couldn't remember.
Speaker 1: I know the Coodie Hotel. I don't know the Coodie Hotel.
Speaker 2: Poo scandal, Yes, the big poo scandal, and not that
Speaker 2: long ago either. So if any other wonderful people in
Speaker 2: the world want to tell us more about that case,
Speaker 2: I would go down.
Speaker 1: I think, okay, this is there has never been a
Speaker 1: clear assign to me that I'm not a parent.
Speaker 2: Then when you were Boom.
Speaker 1: And you said I ate it before the kids could
Speaker 1: tuck in. Thank goodness. My mind immediately went to, what
Speaker 1: do you mean thank you?
Speaker 2: Yes, thank god, I wouldn't so happy I ate the kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to read the boot anyway. This is
Speaker 2: way too much poo chat up top. If we didn't
Speaker 2: mean to start the podcast like this, but this is
Speaker 2: just how it started. And I guess the people who
Speaker 2: skipped ahead and didn't listen to this bit very happy
Speaker 2: with themselves. I want to say, other than you and
Speaker 2: I are doing this podcast just before and having a
Speaker 2: few drinks. It is a very hot day in Melbourne today,
Speaker 2: like boiling hot. We've got the air con on, we've
Speaker 2: got the blinds down, the blinds that were recently installed
Speaker 2: in the house, which I'm very excited about, and we're
Speaker 2: just having a nice relaxed time in the air con.
Speaker 2: Sorry if you can hear the air con, but we can.
Speaker 2: We cannot turn it off. It's forty one d it
Speaker 2: is so hot at the moment. But also you and
Speaker 2: I have done a lot of podcasts recently and we went, well,
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You're trying to you're getting me to say to you, Sammy,
Speaker 1: you've done a few podcasts recently. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2: No, we did He Read, She Read? The other day
Speaker 2: we did and it was really really fun.
Speaker 1: Two amazing Australian authors, Pomery and Sarah Bailey. They're both well,
Speaker 1: they're each psychological thriller writers in Australia. I've read many
Speaker 1: of their books before knowing they were even Australian or
Speaker 1: I think actually JP's keyw on that. But they do
Speaker 1: a podcast together called He Read, She Read, and they
Speaker 1: invited us on Fantastic and that episode is coming out
Speaker 1: I believe the same week this episode is coming.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 1: So a post about it. We talk about Truman Capodis
Speaker 1: in Cold Blood and I'm actually going to do that
Speaker 1: story as a story, so don't look too deep into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, Oh my god, it's fascinating and I
Speaker 2: love going on that podcast. I also went on Mith
Speaker 2: Warhurtz podcast The Moment Myth, which was this week. It'll
Speaker 2: be coming out this Wednesday when you're listening to it.
Speaker 2: And I was also on another podcast called Plumbing the
Speaker 2: Death Star, which we've had Jackson Bailey and Joel Zammitt
Speaker 2: on recently.
Speaker 1: It's about the Joel Zammittt did the episode about the
Speaker 1: Great and Jackson Balley did the episode about the Shark
Speaker 1: Arm murder.
Speaker 2: Yes, and one day we will get Jackson back on
Speaker 2: to talk about the weird thing he said about his
Speaker 2: hair that he just wished that one day it wasn't curly. No, no,
Speaker 2: he wanted He said.
Speaker 1: He wished that his hair was curly, and over the
Speaker 1: next year his hair just turned curly.
Speaker 2: Bizarre.
Speaker 1: And he says this with a straight face.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, looked us in the eye one of our eyes.
Speaker 2: Can't remember which one of them said that. Don't say
Speaker 2: four eyes please, it's very offensive to we have four eyes.
Speaker 1: We have six wears glasses everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you love house your week.
Speaker 1: Bean, Fine, there's really I think that interesting about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not that much to say. I'm going back to
Speaker 1: Tazzy this.
Speaker 2: Weekend and the following weekend.
Speaker 1: And the following weekend both for food and wine festival.
Speaker 2: So good, You're gonna have the best time.
Speaker 1: You're like things Tasmania food and wine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lon sestin this weekend for my favorite weekend of
Speaker 1: the year, which is an event called Festivalet. It's a
Speaker 1: food and wine festival in lawn sestin and this is
Speaker 1: not non spawn. It's never been spawn. I've never been
Speaker 1: owned money. For fourteen years now, I've spent my own
Speaker 1: money in every single year in February to go down
Speaker 1: to this festival. It's my favorite weekend of the year.
Speaker 2: You love it, You love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. And then the following weekend is the
Speaker 1: taz Wine Festival in Hoba. Yeah, or as I call
Speaker 1: it home.
Speaker 2: Is it it a winery or something? What is it?
Speaker 1: The Hobo Botanic Gardens? Oh?
Speaker 2: I had nice. Well that's right in the middle. Oh
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 1: So if you guys are going to be in in
Speaker 1: Tazzi either of those weekends at either of those wine festivals,
Speaker 1: come say hello.
Speaker 2: And why the goddamn hell wouldn't you?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: I have a very big week this week. Gee, love
Speaker 2: because my comedy special the time you're listening to this,
Speaker 2: if you're listening on the Monday that comes out my
Speaker 2: comedy special, Why the Long Face, will be out on
Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Morrow, tomorrow, watch your tomorrow.
Speaker 2: A real weird owl in the house tonight. Thank you
Speaker 2: for saying that weird owl. Weird owl is the today.
Speaker 1: We've got a weird owl, I sang our.
Speaker 2: What would I call your weird out?
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't understand as well as us.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, anyway, my comedy special Why the Long Face,
Speaker 2: will be out.
Speaker 1: Both of the words you've pronounced weirdly have had the
Speaker 1: oh you sorry o w L in them. Yes, bowl,
Speaker 1: you pronounced weird owl. I thought you were saying owl.
Speaker 2: I'm a bogan that can't goddamn talk proper. But I
Speaker 2: have my comedy special that's coming out on the Comedy
Speaker 2: of Republic YouTube channel tomorrow's seven pm. I think it'll be.
Speaker 1: Out twenty seventh of January twenty twenty six, So if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this after that, it is there, and
Speaker 1: it is the best hour of comedy I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And I'm really truly trying to say that without bias,
Speaker 1: but I think I can like, yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 1: Even if I didn't know and love you, I just
Speaker 1: it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's all filmed in one take by the great Brodie Rocker.
Speaker 2: I love Comedy Public. It's on there, and also as
Speaker 2: a celebratory thing for tomorrow night, Tuesday night, when this
Speaker 2: comes out, my old podcast Confessions is releasing an episode God.
Speaker 2: So that's as a celebration with the great Alexi Toleopolis
Speaker 2: and Mish Wittrup, who I absolutely love. That's coming out
Speaker 2: tomorrow's little celebration to say, Hey, I good a special out.
Speaker 2: Listen to it. So watch it. We'll listen to it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's that's a fun thing that's happening
Speaker 2: this week as well. So you know what, if you
Speaker 2: want to have a week of lots of podcasts and
Speaker 2: watching my special, I can't think of a better week.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a better week to do that
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Hey, Sammy, do you know the story of Alyssa Lamb?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: We're in for one. So anyone who knows this story
Speaker 1: is already going as one of those stories that so
Speaker 1: many people know, but no one really knows what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the preface this week listeners of this
Speaker 1: is it's not even really unsolved. It's just one of
Speaker 1: those kind of mysteries. People have different ideas of what happened.
Speaker 1: It's a bit frustrating because of that. I give you
Speaker 1: their heads up about that, but full visit a big one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe I've watched a documentary about this a
Speaker 2: long time ago, and I do know a little bit
Speaker 2: about the story, but I'm really interested to hear your
Speaker 2: take on this.
Speaker 1: Jay, are you ready to die?
Speaker 2: I am ready right now. And also just before we
Speaker 2: do get started, no leave it's a five star rating.
Speaker 2: Lever Review will do the mail bag at the end
Speaker 2: of this episode, so you can write in, Sammy it
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Speaker 1: All right, Ge, you're ready for the story?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. Alissa Lamb was born in Vancouver, Canada,
Speaker 1: on the thirtieth of April.
Speaker 2: Guess what year, nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Sammy's birthday. That wasn't just a weird guest
Speaker 1: from him. Her parents had immigrated from Hong Kong before
Speaker 1: she was born, and they were quite not not like
Speaker 1: the typical quote unquote tiger parents. But they were very
Speaker 1: much like you know, she was their baby. They wanted
Speaker 1: her to do good in the new country.
Speaker 2: What's a tiger parent.
Speaker 1: It's a kind of a term for the like helicopter
Speaker 1: parents of Asian descent, the tiger parents on the kind
Speaker 1: of go, We've gone to a new country for you
Speaker 1: to do well, So you must you have to be
Speaker 1: a doctor, you have to be.
Speaker 2: A lawyer, or a lot of pressure on you.
Speaker 1: That's a colloquial term.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, those parents.
Speaker 1: So Elisa was a good kid and a good student.
Speaker 1: She went to university and she but she had other
Speaker 1: dreams kind of beyond university. She didn't really know what
Speaker 1: she wanted to do, and bigger dreams than her parents
Speaker 1: had for her in terms of scholarly. She wanted to
Speaker 1: travel and she wanted to leave a bit more of
Speaker 1: a high life. In twenty ten, she began blogging. Oh
Speaker 1: which I mean it's twenty She started on blog Spot
Speaker 1: and moving on to Tumblr, which is the very twenty
Speaker 1: tens kind of conversation.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Over the following two years, she posted pictures of models
Speaker 1: in fashionable clothing. She pictured. She posted accounts of her life,
Speaker 1: and she often included in these struggles about her mental
Speaker 1: illness or mental ill health. She was diagnosed with borderline
Speaker 1: personality disorder and depression, and she was medicated for these,
Speaker 1: but oftentimes would go off her meds and she would
Speaker 1: post about this in her blogs. Her blog wasn't about that,
Speaker 1: but she was quite open in her blogs about saying
Speaker 1: things like well, here we go. In January twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: in one blog post, she said that she had relapsed
Speaker 1: and that's her wording, and that that had forced her
Speaker 1: to drop several classes in university, leaving her feeling utterly
Speaker 1: directionless and lost.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: She titled the post You're always haunted by the idea
Speaker 1: wasting your life, which was a quote that she actually
Speaker 1: then had as the epigraph on her blog site. So
Speaker 1: like the kind of you know the heading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, like the banner thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 2: that's so sad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So her blog wasn't about that, but she was quite
Speaker 1: open about her mental strub health on the blog, while
Speaker 1: also showing you know, things about she would write about
Speaker 1: her life, but she would share photos of you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of ideal high life, like fashion models in
Speaker 1: Paris and you know that we're all the very twenty
Speaker 1: ten to twenty twelve aesthetic things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, especially on Tumblr. Yeah huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was seemingly doing better in the mental health department
Speaker 1: when in twenty thirteen, when she was twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: she announced her parents that she was going on a
Speaker 1: solo trip across North America.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: She didn't ask for permission, she just said I'm going,
Speaker 1: I've booked the train ticket and I'm off. And she
Speaker 1: didn't have much money. She was a twenty one year
Speaker 1: old student. But she was really drawn to something on
Speaker 1: this trip, or there's something that this trip was going
Speaker 1: to deliver her. She had this idea in her mind
Speaker 1: that I need to do this trip. I need to
Speaker 1: this solo trip alone, the idea of like a journey.
Speaker 1: She was manifesting something or something like this, which is like,
Speaker 1: do you know West Side Story at all?
Speaker 2: No, I don't. There's a song in Side when You're
Speaker 2: a jet, You're a jet from your.
Speaker 1: Last time day, different song. There's a song in ather
Speaker 1: Tony sing.
Speaker 2: Where He's America.
Speaker 1: No. He sings this song about like having a feeling
Speaker 1: that something's coming. I can feel something around the corner,
Speaker 1: something's come in. I don't know when it is, but.
Speaker 3: I can feel the comment something like that, I feel,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Stop. So she just had an idea that I've been
Speaker 1: drawn to this idea of going on a soul load trip,
Speaker 1: and I need to go. Sure, So she booked an
Speaker 1: Amtrak train, triket.
Speaker 2: Train, trickt friend train, trikets and and also when Jeez
Speaker 2: having it got my berg and voice talking about bowls
Speaker 2: and bowls and all that sort of stuff, she has said.
Speaker 1: Tricket, were you talking about bowls at anything?
Speaker 2: I was talking about bows, talking about poo bows? Who bowls?
Speaker 1: That was a mispronunciation by me, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Pronunciation train.
Speaker 1: Okay, sing on. I've got to interrupt myself here by
Speaker 1: saying in the last episode, I've had so many messages
Speaker 1: from people saying, ah, you mispronounced the word mispronunciation. I
Speaker 1: did that on purpose to be funny, but people didn't
Speaker 1: realize I was taking pics, which is also a good
Speaker 1: defensive Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, a magistrate, I employed you.
Speaker 1: Ah. Anyway, she had booked the Amtrak ticket, which was
Speaker 1: a train that would take you from Canada to America,
Speaker 1: and then she was she booked a couple of train
Speaker 1: she was going to travel kind of into city into
Speaker 1: state buses and trains, making she didn't to fly. Everything
Speaker 1: was going to be done kind of on the cheap.
Speaker 2: For those in Australia.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, sure. So. In January twenty thirteen, Alissa
Speaker 1: Lamb stopped off in her first stop off California.
Speaker 2: The land of dream. Wow.
Speaker 1: She stopped first in San Diego for a few days,
Speaker 1: where she posted photos on her blog from the famous
Speaker 1: San Diego Zoo. Do you know what movie that features in?
Speaker 2: Yes, we bought a zoo? Nope?
Speaker 1: Anchorman?
Speaker 2: Oh is that where he goes into the pit down
Speaker 2: there San.
Speaker 1: Diego Whales Vagiant Yes, I think I mean sant Diego No, agreed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And also we bought it Zoo.
Speaker 1: No, that's no, it's a different day. After a few
Speaker 1: days in San Diego, it was then onto the sparkling
Speaker 1: lights of Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lived on January twenty six, which coincidentally is two
Speaker 1: days time away from when we're recording this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's actually released on the day that
Speaker 2: we're Oh my god, yees. Yeah, that's more relevant. Two
Speaker 2: days away. That's what we're released one they.
Speaker 1: Did it here, She checked into a hotel called Stay
Speaker 1: On Maine. It was an almost ninety year old, fourteen
Speaker 1: story hotel, but the name itself was only two years old.
Speaker 1: Before it was called Stale Maine, it was called the
Speaker 1: Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 2: Okay, Bump bump.
Speaker 1: Sammy Peterson, have you heard of the Cecil Hotel? I
Speaker 1: have not now how we would pronounce it in Australian
Speaker 1: is Cecil?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: E c I l yes, Okay, the Cecil Hotel?
Speaker 2: But in a mer by cho Bob's brother.
Speaker 1: Is his name Cecil? So Drew Cecil? Doesn't that right?
Speaker 2: Well he's no sideshow is side show? Bob's first name?
Speaker 1: See his name is Cecil Bob?
Speaker 2: I believe that played by so Frasier.
Speaker 1: M brother Kelsey Grammar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, do you know what his name is? David
Speaker 2: Hypias who plays Niles in Fraisier.
Speaker 1: I feel we've gone on a tangent here that I
Speaker 1: don't know how to get out.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Cecil Bob.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about the very much infamous Cecil Hotel?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have it. It's a big ala,
Speaker 2: it's a big pink hotel.
Speaker 1: That's like no, you think of the Beverly Hills Hotel. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not that cel. Do you want me to
Speaker 1: call it Cecil or Cecil?
Speaker 2: Call a Cecil?
Speaker 1: The Cecil Hotel was built in nineteen twenty four by
Speaker 1: business by three businessmen for not too shy one point
Speaker 1: five million dollars, which today would be about twenty five million.
Speaker 2: Okay wow.
Speaker 1: The three men also put one million in of their
Speaker 1: own to run it on opening now. It was designed
Speaker 1: and built to be the perfect place for business people
Speaker 1: to stay, so kind of like in these days, like
Speaker 1: an air airport hotel or like an Best Western, those
Speaker 1: kind of things, but fancier than they are now, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a thing then. It was more rare
Speaker 1: for there to be kind of a dedicated place where
Speaker 1: business people will go and stay with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure it happened.
Speaker 1: Had an opulent marble lobby with stained glass windows, potted
Speaker 1: indoor plants, and ornate statues.
Speaker 2: Oh as long as there are nate.
Speaker 1: They were ornate. It was fourteen stories with seven hundred rooms.
Speaker 2: Oh, seven hundred. Wow.
Speaker 1: It opened in December of nineteen twenty four, and it
Speaker 1: did pretty well. But do you remember what happened? To remember?
Speaker 1: You went around them but do you know what happened
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty nine in America?
Speaker 2: Twenty nine?
Speaker 1: No, the Great Depression?
Speaker 2: Oh sure, okay?
Speaker 1: People losing jobs, certainly, no one traveling for work, and
Speaker 1: the seesel quickly started hemorrhaging cash. As well as that
Speaker 1: the nearby area known as skid Row. Oh sure, became
Speaker 1: increasingly populated with transience.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: As many as ten thousand homeless people lived within a
Speaker 1: four mile yeah wow, four mile or six kilometer radius
Speaker 1: of the hotel.
Speaker 2: Is this during the Great Depression? Oh? My god?
Speaker 1: So the Cesil Hotel was built in what is now
Speaker 1: known so it's very much it's on skid Row.
Speaker 2: Oh sure.
Speaker 1: When it was built, it wasn't the homeless area, that
Speaker 1: a very drug affected area it is now known as
Speaker 1: and was known as not long after it was, but
Speaker 1: it was you know when I say this or not? Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's exactly where it was built. Sure, And would you
Speaker 1: like to sing me the song you know about sk right? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: that was really cruel. This a song from Little Shove
Speaker 1: of Horrors called skid Rock.
Speaker 3: So no one wanted you go downtown? Where don't stop downtown?
Speaker 3: Whaddy taps don't stop downtown when that is quol down,
Speaker 3: un skinned road down, un skid roll down.
Speaker 2: N skid roll down, askid road.
Speaker 3: Down, non skid roll down, a skiv roll down skin road.
Speaker 2: Poor all my life, I've always been poor. And it
Speaker 2: tells me, and it tells me. Gee, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: sweep that floor, kid, Oh down, I'm offen was on
Speaker 2: the street here on scared Row. Yeah, anyway, I could
Speaker 2: do the whole thing, but I won't do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Guys, that was Sammy singing far longer than I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've never been prouder or more turned on in
Speaker 1: my mind a minute then, Right? No one wanted to
Speaker 1: stay at the Cecil Hotel post great depression, Oh sure,
Speaker 1: very it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It turned into a very very bad area. Certainly, no
Speaker 1: one who wanted to stay there would be willing to
Speaker 1: pay high prices, so they had to slash the room rates,
Speaker 1: and the people that ended up that they'd ended up
Speaker 1: attracting were less than desirable.
Speaker 2: Sure it was more like a hostile I guess at
Speaker 2: that point than it was a Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's occupancy and its reputation that sank hard and fast. Wow,
Speaker 1: it turned into an kind of almost unofficial halfway house. Sure,
Speaker 1: the owners of having to offer up rooms either for
Speaker 1: long or shirt short term stays as well as by
Speaker 1: the night.
Speaker 2: Sure. And also like you know, ten thousand homeless that is,
Speaker 2: that is an insane number. So you think like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: like if if there's enough money there from maybe a
Speaker 2: day of whatever that yeah, sure, a night here.
Speaker 1: And there, And the hotels are remembering they're putting in
Speaker 1: what you know, in today's money was twenty five million
Speaker 1: dollars within the first four years. No one's traveling anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're.
Speaker 1: Kind of going right. If someone wants to stay here
Speaker 1: for a month and pay us not much, but there's
Speaker 1: a room rented for a month, Sure will take whatever.
Speaker 1: If someone wants to hire it for an hour to
Speaker 1: bring someone to sure, yeah, says It became a notorious
Speaker 1: rendezvous spot for adulterous couples, sure, drug activity, and a
Speaker 1: real common ground for sex workers.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Its reputation wasn't helped by numerous i'll call them bad
Speaker 1: incidents that happened there, which is why I asked if
Speaker 1: you'd heard of it. In fact, the Sasle Hotel was
Speaker 1: the inspiration for the hotel in American horror story.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and this is why right.
Speaker 1: The first reported suicide was in nineteen thirty one, a
Speaker 1: guest named W. K. Norton died in his room after
Speaker 1: taking poison capsules. This was to be the first of
Speaker 1: many suicides in the hotel through the nineteen forties, thirties, forties,
Speaker 1: and fifties, everything from gunshots, jumping out of windows. One
Speaker 1: person even slit his own throat in the hotel room. God,
Speaker 1: and it was nicknamed by the locals as the suicide Hotel.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so sad.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty four, a nineteen year old girl woman
Speaker 1: called Dorothy jen Purcell, were sharing a room at the
Speaker 1: Cecil with her boyfriend when she woke up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night having stomach pains and realized she
Speaker 1: was going into labor. Oh wow, She said. She didn't
Speaker 1: want to wake her boyfriend, so she went into the
Speaker 1: bathroom where she gave birth. This is really awful. I
Speaker 1: just got all of this is awful. Thinking that the
Speaker 1: baby was dead.
Speaker 2: She threw it out the window and baby at the window.
Speaker 1: The baby landed on the roof of an adjacent building.
Speaker 1: Dorothy Jimpisell was charged with murder. Three psychiatrists at her
Speaker 1: trial testified that she was mentally confused quote unquote at
Speaker 1: the time of the incident, and she was found not
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity. In nineteen sixty four, a
Speaker 1: retired telephone operator named Pigeon Goldie.
Speaker 2: Osgood amazing name.
Speaker 1: Is that not the best name you've ever incredible, who
Speaker 1: had been a well known and well liked long term
Speaker 1: resident at the Cecil Hotel.
Speaker 2: A resident. So actually people would live.
Speaker 1: There, yes, as I was saying that they ended up
Speaker 1: kind of just taking whatever. Yeah, and long time in
Speaker 1: long term people. That was kind of like if people
Speaker 1: are saying they're going to stay here for good, sure, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: She was found dead in her room in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 1: She had been raped, stabbed, beaten, and her room ransacked.
Speaker 1: A man named Jacques b Elinger was charged with her
Speaker 1: murder because he was seen covered in blood roaming the
Speaker 1: streets close to the hotel in the hours afterwards, but
Speaker 1: he was later cleared as a suspect, and to this day,
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, her murder remains unsolved.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, the Cecil hotel was the temporary
Speaker 1: residence of one Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 2: Yep, the night named the Nightstalker.
Speaker 1: Ramirez was how I know it.
Speaker 2: This is how I know this hotel. Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And that's how most people have he yes, okay, tell
Speaker 1: Richard Ramirez was a regular presence in the skid Row area,
Speaker 1: according to a hotel clerk at the clerk at the
Speaker 1: Cecil who had known him, He had stayed at the
Speaker 1: Cecil for a few weeks. Now, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go into details here because we'll do that as an
Speaker 1: episode at one point, but Richard Ramirez reportedly committed fourteen
Speaker 1: murders while residing at the Cecil hotel. Yes, yeah, horrifyingly,
Speaker 1: the hotel then became a bit of a draw card
Speaker 1: for other killers, killers inspired by Ramirez. In nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: an Austrian by the name of Johann Untawga stayed there
Speaker 1: for five weeks with one plan to bring back and
Speaker 1: murder sex workers, which he did three times over, somehow
Speaker 1: getting all three bodies out of the hotel without ever
Speaker 1: being seen or at least never being reported.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: He went on to murder more women and was eventually
Speaker 1: caught and hanged himself in prison. Also on the Cecil Hotel,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of talk about paranormal activity, most sightings,
Speaker 1: ghost theories, etc. And we will get into that more later.
Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, the hotel's name was changed from the
Speaker 1: Cecil Hotel to Stay on Maine, in a direct effort
Speaker 1: to distance it from its past. Okay, I have given
Speaker 1: you a handful of notorious, horrendous things that have happened there.
Speaker 2: There are more, sure, but it's underne management. They're trying again.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's change the name so people won't look up
Speaker 1: where to stay in La. Well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: stay at Sesalo. Sure, let's call it Stay on Maine.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: And that takes us up to the year twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: When Alyssa Lamb checked in on February nineteen, twenty thirteen, Guests,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it the Cescil at the Cecil started
Speaker 1: complaining about really yuck water in their rooms. It was not,
Speaker 1: by any means a high class establishment, so complaints were common,
Speaker 1: but there were a lot about this one issue that
Speaker 1: the water was running black, there was very low pressure,
Speaker 1: and some people noted that it tasted off or sweet.
Speaker 2: Oh Okay.
Speaker 1: So they sent a maintenance guy to check out the
Speaker 1: four water tanks that they had on the hotel's roof.
Speaker 1: One was like there was one that was larger than
Speaker 1: the other three, and it had the main water supply
Speaker 1: for the hotel. It was on Sorry, it was four
Speaker 1: by feet eight Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Four by feet eight yep. Written that down.
Speaker 1: Four by eight feet sure tall, so you think about
Speaker 1: like a you know, a tall person is six foot yep.
Speaker 1: Two feet taller.
Speaker 2: Than that, yep.
Speaker 1: And then twelve feet wide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was propped up on concrete blocks, and
Speaker 2: you saw the four of them.
Speaker 1: The biggest water was that. So it stood about like
Speaker 1: the top of it was about nine feet high in.
Speaker 2: Order to nine if you want.
Speaker 1: Thank you, in order to get up to check them out,
Speaker 1: like check out what was in there, the maintenance work
Speaker 1: and needed a ladder. Obviously it's kind of nine feet up,
Speaker 1: and so he put it propped a ladder up against
Speaker 1: this main water tank. And when he got up there,
Speaker 1: he saw that the hatch to the main tank, so
Speaker 1: like the kind of a door that you could get
Speaker 1: into it was open, which it shouldn't have and was never.
Speaker 2: I've definitely seen a documentary about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was dark in the tank, so we got
Speaker 1: out a lighter to see if he could see anything.
Speaker 1: And what he saw when he lit the lighter would
Speaker 1: terrify anyone. He saw a face looking back at him.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how terrifying.
Speaker 1: It was a woman naked, lying, face up and very
Speaker 1: obviously dead. It was clear as well that she'd been
Speaker 1: there for quite some time, hence the water issues. Can
Speaker 1: you even think like the people complaining that the taste
Speaker 1: was of or I just I can't. It actually makes
Speaker 1: me want to be sick. Emergency services were obviously called
Speaker 1: and the body of this woman was removed. They had
Speaker 1: to do it incredibly carefully because of the state she
Speaker 1: was in, as in the state of decomposition. They had
Speaker 1: to actually cut into the tank and drain it and
Speaker 1: completely like remove her from the bottom of the tank
Speaker 1: that way, after it was drained. In details about why,
Speaker 1: you can imagine her clothes were off her body, so
Speaker 1: she was naked, but her clothes were in the tank
Speaker 1: as well. Yes, and her clothes were all coated in
Speaker 1: what has been described as a sand like substance. Okay,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it was, of course, the body of twenty one
Speaker 1: year old Alyssa Lamb. So let's go into Alissa's timeline.
Speaker 1: She checked into the Cecil Hotel on January twenty six
Speaker 1: after her few days in San Diego. At this time,
Speaker 1: it was a low budget hotel slash hostel where people
Speaker 1: could choose private rooms or hostel style dorm rooms, while
Speaker 1: entire floors were dedicated to full time residents.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Alisa was initially put in a shared room on the
Speaker 1: hotel's fifth floor. However, after a few days, her roommates
Speaker 1: complained about what the hotel's lawyer would later describe as
Speaker 1: certain old behavior from Alissa, and she was actually moved
Speaker 1: to a room of her own after three days because
Speaker 1: the people complained about her vents didn't want to be
Speaker 1: in a room with her.
Speaker 2: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: She was apparent leaving notes for the roommates that said
Speaker 1: go home and go away.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't talk to them, but she was leaving them
Speaker 1: these notes.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And she would lock the door to the room and
Speaker 1: say she required a password for entry, like just kind
Speaker 1: of behavor to behavior.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So the hotel actually said we're going to give you your
Speaker 1: own room for no extra charge, but you know, just
Speaker 1: to kind of keep the peace you and stay in
Speaker 1: your own room. And she was moved into that room
Speaker 1: on January thirty one, when she packed up and moved rooms,
Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone saw a Lisa Lam alive.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: On her journey. She had been calling her parents every
Speaker 1: day during the trip, but on January thirty one, she.
Speaker 2: Did not Did they notice any oh, you probably go
Speaker 2: into spent any odd behavior about her.
Speaker 1: When it got to that evening, her parents tried calling
Speaker 1: her and she didn't answer, so they tried again, same thing. Sure,
Speaker 1: no answer, So they called the whole tell that went
Speaker 1: and checked on her. Elisa wasn't in her room, but
Speaker 1: all of her stuff was, so she hadn't checked out
Speaker 1: and she was actually expected to check out on February one,
Speaker 1: so they waited for them. She didn't check out. That's
Speaker 1: the day that police were called and she was reported missing.
Speaker 1: Police with their sniffer dogs searched the hotel quote unquote
Speaker 1: as best they could without a warrant. Sure, and the
Speaker 1: sniffer dogs picked up no sense of her whatsoever, but
Speaker 1: they weren't legally allowed to search all the rooms or
Speaker 1: they didn't have a warrant to search. They were just
Speaker 1: asked to come into search. And because there were full
Speaker 1: floors that were like that had full time residents residing
Speaker 1: on them, they didn't have access, they didn't have a
Speaker 1: warrant to search.
Speaker 2: So the dogs were allowed in that circumstance of just war.
Speaker 2: I mean, the dogs were allowed that the police are
Speaker 2: allowed to. I don't know why that the dogs need
Speaker 2: a separate warrant, but yeah, so basically floor to floor
Speaker 2: they're allowed to.
Speaker 1: L said, you can come and search the hotel, but
Speaker 1: the areas, the rooms, the floors that were full time residents,
Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to search that without a warrant.
Speaker 2: At that point, right, Okay, yeah, I mean that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Without a warrant you can't.
Speaker 1: So the sergeant who was in charge of the search
Speaker 1: at that point, man called Rudy Lopez, later said, we
Speaker 1: didn't search every room. We could only do that if
Speaker 1: we had probable cause to believe a crime had been committed. Right,
Speaker 1: So he admits the initial search wasn't that deep. Now
Speaker 1: I'm saying to you, as we know where Elsa ended
Speaker 1: up being found. They obviously didn't check the water tanks. However,
Speaker 1: they did check the roof and dogs up there didn't
Speaker 1: oh did pick up any center for he now. On
Speaker 1: February sixth, so five days after Elisa had last been seen,
Speaker 1: the LAPD decided more help was needed. They started posting
Speaker 1: flies with her image around the neighborhood online. Getting no
Speaker 1: leads from that, the LAPD released CCTV footage of Alisa
Speaker 1: the last time she was seen. And this is when
Speaker 1: the case went mental, because that's exactly what the CCTV
Speaker 1: footage was. And this, Sammi, is when you're going to
Speaker 1: remember when you've seen this case before. On February thirteen,
Speaker 1: they released CCTV footage taken from February one. It is
Speaker 1: classic grainy CCTV footage. Alisa Lamb gets into a hotel
Speaker 1: elevator and presses a lot of buttons very carefully. You
Speaker 1: remember footage. This footage, CCTV footage of her in the
Speaker 1: lift is very fat well infamous. Yes, yeah, So if
Speaker 1: anyone's been thinking this sounds familiar, this is what you
Speaker 1: will have seen. You've you've got to go and watch
Speaker 1: and maybe we should post it on the Instagram. The
Speaker 1: footage of it, it's really odd. I'm going to describe it.
Speaker 2: Here is best, but you can.
Speaker 1: Just see it is really really, really strange. I'm going
Speaker 1: to describe it as best as I can. She gets
Speaker 1: into the lift and she presses a lot of buttons,
Speaker 1: but really carefully and really slowly. She's not doing like
Speaker 1: you know, like the scene in El. He's not smashing
Speaker 1: his hand, methodical, slowly and really like thinking about it.
Speaker 1: The buns individually, one by one, slowly and carefully. She's
Speaker 1: up very close to the pad, and she's moving very
Speaker 1: strangely slowly, like definitely like panicked. Is the late is
Speaker 1: the last word you'd used to describe. Sorry, But while
Speaker 1: she's pressing all these buns, the doors remain open. The
Speaker 1: lift doors aren't closing. She walks back and forth in
Speaker 1: the lift a bit, and at one point actually pops
Speaker 1: her head out of the lift and looks down the
Speaker 1: corridor in one direction. Remember, it really looks like she's
Speaker 1: kind of seen if anyone were there. But then she
Speaker 1: steps back into the lift, and it gets even weirder.
Speaker 1: When she steps back in, she goes right to the
Speaker 1: back of the lift and looks like she's trying to
Speaker 1: hide against the corner. She's not like cowering, she's standing up,
Speaker 1: but she's pressed as close back to the wall as
Speaker 1: she possibly can, and she starts to do this kind
Speaker 1: of like strange side step kind of movement. And I
Speaker 1: think the scariest part is that where she is quote
Speaker 1: unquote hiding, where she's pressed up against the wall of
Speaker 1: the lift is so when she popped her head out
Speaker 1: and looked up and down the corridor, the direction she
Speaker 1: looked in where she then gets into the lift and
Speaker 1: stands back against the wall, if someone were to come
Speaker 1: from the direction she'd been looking to walls where she's
Speaker 1: standing is where like that would be the last place
Speaker 1: they'd see.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, do you know what I mean? I do understand.
Speaker 1: It looks like she's hiding from.
Speaker 2: Whatever she was thinking. Was there? Yeah, yeah, thinking scene scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's no longer pressing the button, So the doors
Speaker 1: are still open at this point, so she's pressing all
Speaker 1: the buttons, pops her head out, then comes back in.
Speaker 1: She doesn't press buttons anymore. Then after a little while
Speaker 1: she goes to get out of the lift, and she
Speaker 1: sorry she gets out. So the reason I say about
Speaker 1: her not pressing the buttons anymore is because, like in
Speaker 1: the first place, she's pressing these buttons really methodically, you
Speaker 1: kind of go, well, the doors aren't closing, so she's
Speaker 1: trying to get the doors to close.
Speaker 2: Yes, she pops.
Speaker 1: Out her head and has a look around, and then
Speaker 1: she gets back and does this weird hiding thing. But
Speaker 1: she's not doing like are like, you know, pressing the
Speaker 1: button close it all. She's not pressing any buttons At
Speaker 1: that point, we'd kind of think of you wanted the
Speaker 1: doors to close.
Speaker 2: Very quickly, pressent anything to that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then she gets out of the lift and
Speaker 1: she stands in the corridor and she looks again the
Speaker 1: direction she was looking in before, and she stands there
Speaker 1: and she really looks like she's talking to somebody. Now
Speaker 1: there's no audio CCTV, but she's standing there and she's talking,
Speaker 1: and she's moving in a really like animated way, like
Speaker 1: her hands are moving a lot, but it's not a
Speaker 1: natural animated way, so like I'm someone that talks a
Speaker 1: lot with my hands, she's not doing that. It looks
Speaker 1: like almost robotic, or people have described it as looking
Speaker 1: a bit like a marionette puppet on string. Her hands
Speaker 1: are doing old movements in strange ways and really really
Speaker 1: really over the top. She then steps out of frame,
Speaker 1: and when she steps out of frame of the CCTV footage,
Speaker 1: that's when the lift doors finally close for the first time,
Speaker 1: and they open again immediately, and then they close and they
Speaker 1: open and they close and they open. They do this
Speaker 1: a few times. It's fuck, it's.
Speaker 2: Quite it's quite possessed that footage. Yeah, that's what it
Speaker 2: felt like. I remember watching that going. Oh, the way
Speaker 2: that they close her movements and then the touching of
Speaker 2: the of the actual buttons as well. It feels yeah,
Speaker 2: very off.
Speaker 1: Now this CCTV footage goes and I mean this in
Speaker 1: no way hyperbole viral.
Speaker 2: Sure what was this twenty thirteen tuesdays Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Right, one single Chinese streaming site. So this has happened
Speaker 1: in van in La. Yes, about a girl from Vancouver
Speaker 1: and one Chinese streaming site it was posted on got
Speaker 1: three million views in the first week. Oh wow, that's
Speaker 1: just like a little snippet of viral.
Speaker 2: This is justin Bieber numbers.
Speaker 1: They are just Reber numbers. Are you gonna see Harry
Speaker 1: Stiles when he comes here to Melbourne? No? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I am and we okay. Anyway, Internet sleuths had an
Speaker 1: absolute field day with this vision, and they still are
Speaker 1: to this day. Now. The video itself is timestamped, but
Speaker 1: the timestamp isn't clear right video quote. Experts say that
Speaker 1: it's they think it seems to show that fifty eight
Speaker 1: seconds is missing.
Speaker 2: I remember that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: From the middle of the video. Others say that it
Speaker 1: is sped up and slowed down in parts, and that's
Speaker 1: why the movements.
Speaker 2: Look we packed.
Speaker 1: It's not clear enough to obviously go oh, well, look
Speaker 1: there's it goes from you know, ten forty nine straight
Speaker 1: to eleven oh three and there's no time in between.
Speaker 1: But but kind of people that have like picked it
Speaker 1: apart say no, there's some things here.
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, after this, after she was reported missing, which was
Speaker 1: the day that this sea said, even before she was taken,
Speaker 1: the only person that ever reported seeing her again after
Speaker 1: her roommates when she left when she moved out was
Speaker 1: the owner of a bookstore that Alisa had gone to
Speaker 1: on jan thirty one, So that was the day that
Speaker 1: she was that she changed rooms. Yepkay, she went out
Speaker 1: to a bookstore. The owner of the bookstore reported that
Speaker 1: she was out going, very lively, very friendly, and she
Speaker 1: was there buying gifts to take home to her family,
Speaker 1: and she was even saying things like, I need to
Speaker 1: get books that aren't too heavy because I've got to
Speaker 1: keep them. I've got to travel around with them before
Speaker 1: i go back home.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, sorry, not heavy in content, no.
Speaker 1: Physically, I've got sure. Yeah, so this kind of shows
Speaker 1: that she was planning on still traveling around for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sure, and she's talking to it. She's talking
Speaker 2: to her family all the time. Anyways, that was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: So, what the hell happened over the coming hours between
Speaker 1: shopping for books for her family and this crazy footage
Speaker 1: of her in the lift. In trying to find this out,
Speaker 1: people turned to her blog, which was called Novelle nouveaux?
Speaker 2: What is new? New?
Speaker 1: Novelle?
Speaker 2: Novelle like novella.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at up.
Speaker 2: You need to if you don't want to going to
Speaker 2: if you are just relaxed and having fun after a
Speaker 2: few glasses of wine, tonight, door about it?
Speaker 1: Novelle nouveau.
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 1: Well, look hang on when I when I google that,
Speaker 1: it says tumbler.
Speaker 2: But also like that, you know, being French Canadian, I
Speaker 2: imagine this is quite novellea means what does it mean?
Speaker 1: They're both? They both mean new that one's masculine, one's feminine.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah you new, you knew. Okay, I didn't expect that,
Speaker 2: but sure.
Speaker 1: Harry styles two as called together together.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to not see that.
Speaker 1: People turned to her blog New New, which, as I
Speaker 1: had said before, had in the past described her struggles
Speaker 1: with mental ill health. Yes, now, she had had periods
Speaker 1: where she had gotten and she'd spoken about on her
Speaker 1: blog that she'd gone off her meds and had once
Speaker 1: been hospitalized. So could what have happened to her and
Speaker 1: her ending up in the water tank or sorry, at
Speaker 1: this point they hadn't found her body, like had whatever
Speaker 1: had happened to her been a mental health episode? She
Speaker 1: had actually scheduled posts on her tumblr blog for the
Speaker 1: next ten months ten months, and yes they kept updating
Speaker 1: after her death, which is really traumatic for her family,
Speaker 1: but also like to, for want of a bitter term,
Speaker 1: exciting for the people who which we will go into,
Speaker 1: had a bit like a bit of excitement about potential
Speaker 1: paranormal activity around these So she went missing. She was
Speaker 1: found three weeks later, and then for ten months after
Speaker 1: that to her bog blogs were still updating.
Speaker 2: Ten months after That's such a long time.
Speaker 1: Which is weird in itself, Like, can you imagine you
Speaker 1: and I get excited and proud of ourselves if we
Speaker 1: schedule a post like a few days in advance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely imagine scheduling ten months is wild.
Speaker 1: So people still think there's a bit of like paranormal something.
Speaker 4: About sure, okay, yeah, But one thing that came from
Speaker 4: the fact that the post kept updating was the fact
Speaker 4: that her readers really believed that if she had planned
Speaker 4: to take her own life, she would have posted about that,
Speaker 4: at the very least something cryptic, something telling.
Speaker 1: Yes, she had been open about her mental ill health
Speaker 1: and her battles in the past, so if she had
Speaker 1: been planning on taking her own life, her readers really
Speaker 1: believe she would have alluded to that, if not actually
Speaker 1: said that, Especially the fact that then the blog posts
Speaker 1: kept going up afterwards. They're like, why would she have
Speaker 1: scheduled posts if she was planning to not be here?
Speaker 1: If those posts didn't reference that at all, Her dedicated
Speaker 1: reader is really really believed that she had also been
Speaker 1: out shopping for books for her family. Remember, so what
Speaker 1: if she was planning on taking her own life. Why
Speaker 1: would she have said to you know, why would you
Speaker 1: be going buying books for a family and saying I'm
Speaker 1: going to need to take them traveling around with you
Speaker 1: the time. Because this is one of the first things
Speaker 1: that came out, Like before her body was found, it
Speaker 1: was like, right, she has had mental little health in
Speaker 1: the past, she's gone missing, this is something that could
Speaker 1: have happened. Even once her body was found, they were
Speaker 1: always looking into whether suicide was a possibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, when she was found in the water tank, she
Speaker 1: did have her hotel room key on her, which they
Speaker 1: said kind of proved that she planned to go back
Speaker 1: to her room afterwards. What wasn't her on her person though?
Speaker 1: Was her mobile phone? Nor was it in her room?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, which has always.
Speaker 1: Been a big question mark over that. So the theories
Speaker 1: were that that could have been stolen from her room,
Speaker 1: like she's gone, she's left her room rope and people
Speaker 1: have gone in and stolen her. But her laptop was
Speaker 1: still in her room, which seems odden still anything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's never any explanation about where her phone was never
Speaker 1: been found. Now, once they did find her body and
Speaker 1: they were still talking about whether the suicide was possible.
Speaker 1: That did not in any way explain how she would
Speaker 1: have got up onto and into the water tank, let alone.
Speaker 1: Why right, So, firstly, the hotel manager said there was
Speaker 1: no way she would have been able to get onto
Speaker 1: the roof herself. Yeah, like, don't even talk about the
Speaker 1: water tank.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 1: She would not have been able to get up onto
Speaker 1: the roof on her own. It was only accessible by
Speaker 1: fire doors that were alarmed, and the alarms never went off.
Speaker 1: Now you can kind of go, but there's a shit hotel.
Speaker 1: We know that it's right. But there was a maintenance
Speaker 1: worker that gave evidence and testified that that alarms were
Speaker 1: checked three weeks before and they were working. So now
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking into whether someone's either let her
Speaker 1: up there or maybe taken her up there. Some internet
Speaker 1: sots have done their own research and say that you
Speaker 1: could actually get up to the roof fire fire escapes
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to without the alarm, so as
Speaker 1: fire escapes kind of the outside of the building.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, sure, So.
Speaker 1: There is a bit of kind of question mark put
Speaker 1: over that you could have got up there if you
Speaker 1: really wanted to, the easiest way would have set off
Speaker 1: the alarms. So now we talk about the water tank itself.
Speaker 1: It's eight feet tall and on concrete blocks to stand
Speaker 1: even higher, and it is concrete, full concrete, including the
Speaker 1: lid and the hatch. So the hatch like little lid
Speaker 1: bit itself was twenty pounds, which is about nine kilos.
Speaker 1: Now nine kilos isn't crazy, No, But Lisa Lamb was very,
Speaker 1: very slight, small, twenty one year old woman. How would
Speaker 1: she have got up eight to nine feet without a ladder?
Speaker 1: There was never a ladder found, There was no sign
Speaker 1: of a ladder. It used, how has she got up
Speaker 1: that high and then opened a latch.
Speaker 2: A hat got in and then and then closed it.
Speaker 1: Well, no, the hatch wasn't closed. So this then, like
Speaker 1: the whole thing is very like, well there's this thing,
Speaker 1: but there's this yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the fact.
Speaker 1: That it was not closed kind of showed more that well,
Speaker 1: if someone has put her in there, that's if the
Speaker 1: kind of line of inquirer we're going down and someone's
Speaker 1: put her in there, they would have surely closed it
Speaker 1: behind them. But that kind of you know, makes it
Speaker 1: less something's gone in there for her. If she'd gone
Speaker 1: in there herself. It would have been near impossible, if
Speaker 1: not impossible, to close the hat right because you think
Speaker 1: it's eight feet tall, it's full of water. She's obviously
Speaker 1: not standing on the bottom, so to be in there
Speaker 1: to then lift yourself up high up out of it
Speaker 1: enough like while treading water, to then that would have
Speaker 1: been near impossible as well. Yes, but there's still the
Speaker 1: question of how the fuck did she get in there?
Speaker 1: There's no ladder ever, and likes a it's a concrete,
Speaker 1: solid water tank. How does anyone, least of all a
Speaker 1: small slide twenty one year old female.
Speaker 2: Get up fels impossible of.
Speaker 1: There were no signs on her body of any defensive
Speaker 1: wounds or any signs of her trying to get out.
Speaker 1: There were no scratch marks, nothing on her fingernails anything.
Speaker 1: It looked like once she was in there, she was
Speaker 1: she didn't try to get out again.
Speaker 2: Bizah.
Speaker 1: So the theory emerges that a hotel staff member may
Speaker 1: have taken her up there and put her in the tank.
Speaker 1: So they're the ones that have disarmed the alarm on
Speaker 1: the door, which they were able to do. There's no signs,
Speaker 1: you know, there was no ladder or anything. He somehow.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a ladder, he's put her in there,
Speaker 1: he's taking the ladder back with him. Yes, Okay, if
Speaker 1: this is the case, was she dead already when she
Speaker 1: was put in the water tank or not? Could he
Speaker 1: have held her down in the water and drowned her
Speaker 1: while she was in there, or could potentially was she
Speaker 1: already have been decked? Yes, maybe this is why her
Speaker 1: clothes were off. Now it's important to not hear that
Speaker 1: there were no signs of sexual assault, but it's also
Speaker 1: important to remember that by the time she was found,
Speaker 1: it had been three weeks and she was really badly
Speaker 1: deferent place. Well yeah, sure, so I think it would
Speaker 1: be near impossible, if not impossible, to find signs of
Speaker 1: sexual Yeah. Yeah, Now, one thing I will say, and
Speaker 1: this isn't advice to anyone, but it would be a
Speaker 1: good place to dispose of a body. Yeah, to take
Speaker 1: because it took three weeks for anyone to find her
Speaker 1: and decomposition.
Speaker 2: That's such a long time.
Speaker 1: For a long time. The only reason they even went
Speaker 1: looking there is because the hotel.
Speaker 2: Waters started to take complain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gross, gross, gross. But you know you're kind of thinking, well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to kill someone. That may be a
Speaker 1: good place to hide a body. Sure gets a rid
Speaker 1: of a lot of evidence with the decomposition. Everything I've
Speaker 1: written here, but I've already spoken about it. One thing
Speaker 1: is that the hatch was open. Surely if someone had
Speaker 1: killed her and put her in cloth, that would have
Speaker 1: closed it.
Speaker 2: Yesh.
Speaker 1: Yes, there was no ladder found ever, so she's only
Speaker 1: ever seen alone in the CCTV footage from the hotel.
Speaker 1: She's never ever ever seen with anyone else. The only
Speaker 1: time is on the morning of Feb one, which is
Speaker 1: the day that this weird ass footage was taken. In
Speaker 1: the fift that day, she arrived at the hotel with
Speaker 1: two men, So this is seen in cct footage. CCTV
Speaker 1: footage from out the front. She's seen arriving at the
Speaker 1: hotel with two men, one of whom hands her a
Speaker 1: box as they part ways. Now, these two men are
Speaker 1: never seen again. But who were they and what was
Speaker 1: in that box has never been answered.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: There are reports that she had blogged about a creeper
Speaker 1: at the hotel, but again it's the cecil. Yes. There
Speaker 1: are also conflicting reports that she wrote that post from
Speaker 1: San Diego, so she was scheduling posts. It came out
Speaker 1: when she was in la But then people said she
Speaker 1: might have written that when she was in San Diego,
Speaker 1: so it might have been referring to a different hotel.
Speaker 1: But this brought up another thing. She'd kind of said,
Speaker 1: there was a creeper in the hotel. Is there someone
Speaker 1: that's in the hotel that's done something to her?
Speaker 2: My god?
Speaker 1: Now, Elisa's official cause of death was not revealed for
Speaker 1: four months after her body was found. At first, the
Speaker 1: coroner's office had told the media that her cause of
Speaker 1: death was indeterminate. Then the autopsy itself wasn't revealed for
Speaker 1: four months, and when it was released, it had a
Speaker 1: heap of mistakes that have been crossed out and rewritten,
Speaker 1: which is just.
Speaker 2: It's very strange in itself.
Speaker 1: This autopsy found that she had died by quote accident
Speaker 1: too drowning.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: She had had a blood alcohol reading of zero point
Speaker 1: two percent, which sounds like there's a lot of alcohol
Speaker 1: in your system, but apparently that is normal for a
Speaker 1: decomposing body.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, right.
Speaker 1: She had no drugs in her system, illicit nor prescription.
Speaker 2: And you would think with the way she was behaving
Speaker 2: in the lift and staff was a drug relator, but
Speaker 2: there was.
Speaker 1: A lot of but there were no drugs in her
Speaker 1: system at all. There were no defensive wounds and no
Speaker 1: signs that she tried to get out of the tank. Now,
Speaker 1: the lateness of the autopsy and the weird like crossed
Speaker 1: out mistakes and rewritten things made a lot of people
Speaker 1: question if this was some kind of cover up.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll get back.
Speaker 1: To this a bit later as well.
Speaker 2: The official Inje was just doing it's my favorite thing
Speaker 2: that he does when he does a big stretch, but
Speaker 2: his head goes right up like he's looking to the
Speaker 2: skies above. Yeah, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 1: The official investigation ruled that it was an accidental drowning
Speaker 1: with bipolar disorder as a significant factor. Okay, now that
Speaker 1: doesn't say suicide, but it says she had bipolar disorder
Speaker 1: and she accidentally drowned, So it's kind of without actually
Speaker 1: saying it, it is insinuated that it was either suicide
Speaker 1: or her bipolar disorder caused her to get herself in
Speaker 1: the water tank and then she has accidentally drowned.
Speaker 2: Bipolar disorder, like does that make you do that? Sort
Speaker 2: of stuff like that that's a.
Speaker 1: That may be hallucinations, maybe from her going off her meds.
Speaker 1: She was having hallucinations. Sure, she'd taken herself in there.
Speaker 1: It still doesn't to me explain how she got in there,
Speaker 1: not at all. Well, thanks, you have now drool all
Speaker 1: over your shirt. He did that right in your face.
Speaker 1: Do you bar? Don't let your dad. We're doing a
Speaker 1: podcast kiss right.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: The official investigation also records, oh, and this is really ucky.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this, but I'm just going to
Speaker 1: say it because it just kind of brings up some
Speaker 1: more questions. The autopsy revealed that subcutaneous pulling of blood
Speaker 1: was found in Elisa's anal area. What's that word subcutaneous?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like under the surface?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, which some doctors suggested was a sign of sexual abuse,
Speaker 1: but one pathologist in the coroner's inquest noted that this
Speaker 1: could have resulted from bloating in the course of the
Speaker 1: body's decons Okay. Her rectum was also prolapsed, which again
Speaker 1: could be a sign of sexual assault, or it could
Speaker 1: be a sign that that could have been something that
Speaker 1: happened in the decomposition process. Because of these things, the
Speaker 1: coroner's pathologists were ambivalent about their conclusion that her death
Speaker 1: was accidental, so they said, we just don't know. So
Speaker 1: the police authorities were concluded it was accidental, but the
Speaker 1: coroner and the coroner's pathologists said, we just don't know,
Speaker 1: if we can say that wholeheartedly. Yeah, sure, Now that's
Speaker 1: the end of the official what the authority said. But
Speaker 1: I'm just going to quickly before we finish, go into
Speaker 1: slightly more wo woo theories. Sure, remember I brought up
Speaker 1: paranormal like.
Speaker 2: You, yeah, you're not a woo woo gud?
Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 2: Do you?
Speaker 1: No? I don't not believe in them, but I don't
Speaker 1: believe in them, if that makes sense. Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: like they definitely don't exist, but I also like I
Speaker 1: believe in like signs and that things like things happen
Speaker 1: to a bit like well, that's definitely, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're Like like, if there are places that
Speaker 1: are haunted, I'm not scared by that. That's a real thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not scared about that. I'm kind of more like, well,
Speaker 1: if some you know, if there is a spirit of someone.
Speaker 2: Here, I believe in something else, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: believe in ghost.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to take you right down.
Speaker 2: Sure, go for it, just for a couple of things.
Speaker 1: And I mean this our podcast isn't a paranormal one.
Speaker 1: But there's just a couple of paragraphs here to finish
Speaker 1: it off, because this is something that is always spoken
Speaker 1: about in the Alissa lambcar Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The main Woo woo theory is one about a named man,
Speaker 1: A man named Alastair Crowley, who a lot of you
Speaker 1: will have heard of. He was an English oculist, a
Speaker 1: ceremonial magician, a poet, a novelist, a mountaineer, and a painter.
Speaker 1: In the late nineteenth century to early twentieth he founded
Speaker 1: the religion of the Lima and identified himself as the
Speaker 1: prophet entrusted with guiding humanity in the eon of Horus
Speaker 1: in the early twentieth century. I can see eyes glazing.
Speaker 2: Over already we find stuff now.
Speaker 1: Crowley is actually documented as staying at the Cecil Hotel. However,
Speaker 1: he stayed at the Cecil Hotel in London. However, theories
Speaker 1: have swirled that either he could have stayed in the
Speaker 1: in the Cecil Hotel in las as well, because he'd
Speaker 1: stayed the one in London that was documented, but also
Speaker 1: there have been long term theoriest well before Alyssa Lamb's death,
Speaker 1: that Crowley and other members of his trial or crew
Speaker 1: cohort of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn sure
Speaker 1: opened a portal at the Cecil Hotel back in nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if you remember there, says, although
Speaker 1: delon La was built in nineteen twenty four, okay, but
Speaker 1: perhaps at the site now. Crowley famously drew a picture
Speaker 1: of alien life form. This is like one of the
Speaker 1: things he's known for that he claimed to have interacted
Speaker 1: with personally, and according to him, again many many men.
Speaker 1: So he died in nineteen forty seven. Alisa Lamb died
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen. Crowley, in his living time before nineteen
Speaker 1: forty seven, said he had interacted with an alien that
Speaker 1: he had connected with through a portal, and that alien's
Speaker 1: name was Lamb. Okay yeps in Elisa's surname, Sure Lamb
Speaker 1: lam Yes. People obviously went mental with yeah yeah, yeah, yeap.
Speaker 1: The other connection from Crowley was that he wrote a
Speaker 1: poem in which the Judge of Israel sacrifices his daughter,
Speaker 1: whose name is Celia spelt with an S, which is
Speaker 1: an acronym of Elise. Sure, Okay, Now another anagram theory
Speaker 1: comes up, and this is the one that I mean,
Speaker 1: get our tinfoil hats on shore. But this is the
Speaker 1: one that's more like it's less paranormal.
Speaker 2: I think that I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: Let's say it and then see what you think. Around
Speaker 1: the time Alisa went missing, there was an outbreak of
Speaker 1: tuberculosis on skid row. Tuberculosis can be a kind of
Speaker 1: a inside effect. Probably isn't the right word, sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm getting that wrong. Of HIV, so HIV positive people
Speaker 1: can much more easily get TV. The test used to
Speaker 1: test for tuberculosis, especially in HIV positive patients, is called
Speaker 1: making this up. It's called TB LAMB hyphen Elisa literally
Speaker 1: spell lam hyphen e l I s A. Her name
Speaker 1: is Alisa Lamb spelt exactly like that. So the theory
Speaker 1: around this is that Elisa Lamb never actually existed.
Speaker 2: What do her parents think about that?
Speaker 1: The whole thing? This is the theory is that the
Speaker 1: whole thing was staged to cover up an illegal tuberculosis
Speaker 1: study amongst the homeless of La and skid row in particular,
Speaker 1: and that the body found in the water tank was
Speaker 1: actually someone who had died during their illegal testing. Yes,
Speaker 1: so when it was found and put on the meat
Speaker 1: on the news and in the media, they made up
Speaker 1: the name Elisa Lamb and made this whole story about it. Anyway.
Speaker 2: She mind, it's fucking weird that that we wed.
Speaker 1: It's weird. That's what the test is called. Anyway, Sammy, they.
Speaker 2: Are the theories, are they the only theories?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Fuck, They're not a hotel staff member. Yeah, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Everything I've spoken about in the whole episode other theories. Yes,
Speaker 1: a hotel staff member has killed her, taken her up
Speaker 1: and put her in there. She has gone and taken
Speaker 1: her own life and put herself in there. She has
Speaker 1: had a hallucinate. She's hallucinated and ended up in there
Speaker 1: and died and drowned. Yep, there's a portal that opened
Speaker 1: up by Alistair Crowley in nineteen twenty or something.
Speaker 2: Stayed the same hotel.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, there was a TB. Yes, American skid row
Speaker 1: conspiracyy in Foilhat thing. To this day, there has never
Speaker 1: single been a single explanation by police or authorities as
Speaker 1: to how Alisa Lamb managed to get into the tank,
Speaker 1: and to me, that is the biggest mystery. So they've
Speaker 1: ruled it accidental drowning with bipolar disorder as a main factor,
Speaker 1: which means they've kind of said it's either she's had
Speaker 1: an episode quote unquote and ended up in the water
Speaker 1: tank and she's drowned, or she's done that by choice.
Speaker 1: Neither of those things explained how the fuck she got
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Family said anything, Have they commented or have they No, not.
Speaker 1: That I've found through looking into the HOSS bizarre. So
Speaker 1: she the things with the mental health issues and the
Speaker 1: bipolar is that she had had like there had been
Speaker 1: periods of when she'd gone off her medication, she had
Speaker 1: had hallucinations. Yes, I kind of think when you look
Speaker 1: at the CCTV footage you're in the lift, it looks
Speaker 1: like someone that could be having an episode like a
Speaker 1: drug effected. Yes, and drug effect did can mean also
Speaker 1: coming down off drugs, whether they are illicit drugs or
Speaker 1: potentially you know, antipsychotic drugs. Yes, it looks like it
Speaker 1: could be a psychotic episode. Yeah, it also looks like
Speaker 1: it could be that she's scared of someone and hiding
Speaker 1: from someone. There are just so many like there's nothing
Speaker 1: about this is ant said to.
Speaker 2: Me, No, not at all. What do you think, Well, I,
Speaker 2: you know, either the portal or I am Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think I.
Speaker 1: Feel confident about it is it's not the port I
Speaker 1: had to put that theory in there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it sounds more likely that
Speaker 2: it was someone that she was hiding from, yeah, in
Speaker 2: that hotel, because you know, it feels like there was
Speaker 2: lots of people that it could have been.
Speaker 1: I kind of just feel that too. Is that us
Speaker 1: being just like true crime junkies that we just kind
Speaker 1: of want, you know, we want it to be a
Speaker 1: like a crime, because yeah, a suicide or an accidental
Speaker 1: death is not a crime. Do we just want to
Speaker 1: be a crime.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that the accidental is so unlikely,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like that is how the.
Speaker 1: Hell did she get into the tank? How did she
Speaker 1: get there? How did she get in there?
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like that's possible.
Speaker 1: Nine feet up, eight feet up at the very least,
Speaker 1: How did she get up there? What open the hatch
Speaker 1: and get in and why?
Speaker 2: It just does not feel likely. And also like scaling
Speaker 2: the outside of the hotel, like that does not seem likely.
Speaker 2: And also no one saw her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if the alarms didn't go off for her
Speaker 1: going up to the roof through the inside of the hotel,
Speaker 1: she scaled out, it's like she's gone up the fire
Speaker 1: escapes on the outside. That's not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 1: Why in what state? And even if she was hallucinating,
Speaker 1: how and why has she scaled like gone up the
Speaker 1: fire escape on the outside of the building, got onto
Speaker 1: the roof, and then how the fuck is she scaled
Speaker 1: the side of a concrete water tank.
Speaker 2: It is nine feet off the ground with no like
Speaker 2: a ladder or anything.
Speaker 1: He ever there I mean, but then that's brought up.
Speaker 1: Maybe there were maintenance workers that went up there in
Speaker 1: that because it was three weeks until she was found.
Speaker 1: Maybe someone went, oh, why has the lad been left
Speaker 1: here and moved her and they just never reported that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But also like, if you find out that this has
Speaker 2: gone old anything, surely, Yeah, I feel like it has
Speaker 2: to be some sort of true crime thing. That's like
Speaker 2: there's someone in the hotel she didn't trust, she was
Speaker 2: scared of. But also having said that, then her leaving
Speaker 2: notes for the people that she was in the room
Speaker 2: with before.
Speaker 1: There's also a thing that I didn't write into here,
Speaker 1: but the night before, like the night I think it
Speaker 1: was the thirtieth of January, is the night before the
Speaker 1: last time she was seen, she'd gone to a taping,
Speaker 1: a live taping of Conan, right, and she'd actually been
Speaker 1: escorted out for odd behavior. And that's all I could
Speaker 1: find about it. Odd behavior. Okay, sure, so she'd be
Speaker 1: she's been behaving quota oldly erratically. Does that mean? Is
Speaker 1: that you know, a good defense for someone to have
Speaker 1: gone off and done something to her, to have killed her?
Speaker 1: Is that showing that she was spiraling and was not
Speaker 1: in a good place. Yeah, really frustrating. I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I hate the unsolved ones. But I feel like
Speaker 1: there's going to listen a lot of conversation because people
Speaker 1: have so many different ideas about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that, you know, lots of different people have so.
Speaker 1: Many conspiracy theorists by any means. But that TB thing
Speaker 1: seems really weird to me.
Speaker 2: That's weird. Yea, it is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the test is called TB LAMB Melissa, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That is very strange, but yeah, yeah, it is very weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's bizarre to me that that is a I love
Speaker 2: to know what the family.
Speaker 1: Also, this is a yucky detail that I didn't put
Speaker 1: into the script because it's yucky, but now it's probably
Speaker 1: relevant that she was so badly decomposed that she wasn't recognizable. Sure,
Speaker 1: so they had to do physical tests to discover who
Speaker 1: she was. So it's not like, you know, her parents
Speaker 1: have gone to identify and gone, yes, that's a Lisa.
Speaker 2: No, No, it could have been.
Speaker 1: Maybe it could have been some you know, a homeless
Speaker 1: person they were doing tests on and when someone called
Speaker 1: a Lisa Lamb had gone missing, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll say it too. Or the whole thing about the
Speaker 1: story about the parents was that our daughter from Canada
Speaker 1: has gone missing? Is just made up? Is the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory that no one actually ever there were no parents,
Speaker 1: There were no one, there were no parents in Canada
Speaker 1: saying our daughter's gone missing.
Speaker 2: But they would be able to check that, look that up.
Speaker 2: I can imagine. It's not like this was like in
Speaker 2: the medieval ages. I don't know, I don't know what happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's that's frustrating in that there's no ant.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm fascinated because I remember watching that documentary
Speaker 2: a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even in the answer that there is, the official
Speaker 1: ruling is that is accidental drowning with bipolar disorder as
Speaker 1: a factor. That doesn't actually say anything, not at all.
Speaker 1: Why did she accidentally drown? How did she get in
Speaker 1: there for that to happen?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You ask me those questions, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm asking you answer me.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to hear your theory. I just love
Speaker 1: those stories that I feel I can just talk about
Speaker 1: because more and more people can come up with more
Speaker 1: of the idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Now, g love. I know that
Speaker 2: you have to go soon, so we're going to go
Speaker 2: through the goddamn mail bank.
Speaker 1: Why do you always blame me for having to go?
Speaker 1: You've got other things to do as.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't. I just have to edit this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what you got to do.
Speaker 2: Ah, I see hey.
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Speaker 1: you've cooked up, and she made us cookies that were
Speaker 1: wrapped in an orange ribbon because orange is the.
Speaker 2: You're the best. Yes, thank you so much, so much.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the best, yest, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: doing that. And the cookies. I can't wait to try
Speaker 2: these goddamn cookies. Are you already? Have you heard younowledge?
Speaker 2: You're sitting on the fridge right there, you've already had them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have them right now, Jess, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: We've got some Spotify comments first, Megan, who commented this
Speaker 2: has been the absolute best episode to listen to the
Speaker 2: Can and Barbie Killers. I feel like I'm in the
Speaker 2: room with friends and the chaos that ensues after a
Speaker 2: few drinks. Thank you. Oh no, sorry, that was not
Speaker 2: on that. That was on the No, that was on
Speaker 2: the fifth, the fifty second episode. Then we've got another
Speaker 2: one on that same episode. Sorry. That says from Jem
Speaker 2: what is it with dads and myth? In twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: I took my parents to see Spix and Specs at
Speaker 2: the Newcastle Entertainment Center. After the amazing performance of Single
Speaker 2: Ladies opening, Miss started Beard spotting in the audience. Somehow
Speaker 2: she ended up spotting Dad and running down into the
Speaker 2: audience and giving him a hug. It is still one
Speaker 2: of the proudest.
Speaker 1: Tales to tell God Dad's love me.
Speaker 2: So they don't they just this comes from Emma. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: my name is Emma Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: We have so many Emmas.
Speaker 2: So many ms from Melbourne, not the famous one in
Speaker 2: la And when I was little, I had a babysitter
Speaker 2: asked if I if it was my mum whose baby
Speaker 2: got taken by a dingo.
Speaker 1: The babysitter us, yeah, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: My mom's name is Leoni Leoni, so she must have
Speaker 2: thought that the names were close enough and must be
Speaker 2: the same. I think I was four at the time,
Speaker 2: so I had no clue what she was talking about.
Speaker 2: But you can imagine my mom when she got home
Speaker 2: and I asked if her baby was taken by a dingo.
Speaker 2: I think it's also important to note that my mum
Speaker 2: was only twelve when the incident happened, so I'm not
Speaker 2: too sure about the babysitter's math skills. I know we
Speaker 2: all struggle with those, so no judgment. XX. One other note,
Speaker 2: I have just spent the past week driving from Melbourne
Speaker 2: to Byron and back again, and I have listened to
Speaker 2: at least two of your crime podcasts a day. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, and wow, you guys are amazing. I love
Speaker 2: that I can listen to you guys and still feel
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to have nightmares. I can't wait
Speaker 2: to keep listening to you guys this year, and thank
Speaker 2: you for keeping me company on my road trip. Love Emma.
Speaker 2: I love that qushing your babysit bizarre biz.
Speaker 1: Babysitter, not asking the adult who is hired, I know, the.
Speaker 2: Four year four year old. It's very weird and also like,
Speaker 2: this is another example of how many Emma's we have listening.
Speaker 2: This is coming. Emma is left a voice note.
Speaker 5: Hi guys, my name's Emma, not all the other Emms
Speaker 5: that I've already left.
Speaker 1: As we'll join in.
Speaker 5: I bloody love your goddamn horrendus podcast and all the
Speaker 5: amazing banter, love the respectful way you treat the people
Speaker 5: involved in the stories. I was recommended your podcast by
Speaker 5: my sister Kat, who's also left some spig pipes, and
Speaker 5: originally I didn't think I was gonna like the banter,
Speaker 5: but she was like, no, stick with it, and it's
Speaker 5: become one of my favorite parts of the whole podcast.
Speaker 5: I love their episodes, particularly the longer ones. And I've
Speaker 5: found it interesting that from the whole year of podcasts
Speaker 5: and all these horrible, horrendous crimes, the one that's really
Speaker 5: stuck in my mind is the Scott Williams button man
Speaker 5: and the idea that someone took a photo while he
Speaker 5: was sleeping. Yes, has really stuck in my head. But anyway,
Speaker 5: keep it up. Love your work.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Emma.
Speaker 1: We've had lots of comments about the button Matt.
Speaker 2: Absolutely it is so terrifying creepy. And also thank you
Speaker 2: to another Emma.
Speaker 1: You're an Emma out there who's listening and hasn't done
Speaker 1: a speak pipe yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd love to know how many.
Speaker 1: I've known my EMMA members personally.
Speaker 2: No, I don't personally know member. Okay, we have. On
Speaker 2: a comment on the Dean Chral episode, Hey guys love,
Speaker 2: Hey guys, love the part of this episode with such
Speaker 2: a hard listen. You both mentioned some other interesting podcasts
Speaker 2: you like, and I was wondering if you would mind
Speaker 2: listing them in the notes for us. Would love to try.
Speaker 2: Thank you so the ones that we have kind of
Speaker 2: mentioned recently have been Wise Crack, That's Dead, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: anything else, ge Unicorn Girl.
Speaker 1: Which is by the same people as Scamander, which is
Speaker 1: another podcast. It's been great. Actually, I want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to one that I haven't shouted out yet,
Speaker 1: but I want to reach out to the journalists who
Speaker 1: did this podcast. It's called Death on the Door or
Speaker 1: Death Alva Beach a l v A Death at the
Speaker 1: Door Alva Beach, Death at the Door is what it's called.
Speaker 1: A journalist from sixty Minutes Australia has done this podcast
Speaker 1: and it's fascinating. It's one of those almost a little
Speaker 1: bit like Today's story. Well it's not, but it's one
Speaker 1: that it's like it's apparently, by the letter of the law, itselved,
Speaker 1: but everyone's like that's not so that's not what really happened.
Speaker 1: Which I want to reach out to him and see
Speaker 1: if we can get him on.
Speaker 2: That's Absolu'd be great.
Speaker 1: That's a recommendation for Youstic Beach Death at the Door.
Speaker 1: Listen to that and then we'll have a talk about
Speaker 1: it on another episode.
Speaker 2: Great have this one come from Meg. Happy Birthday, I
Speaker 2: have a shop in Port Douglas and my favorite customer.
Speaker 2: My favorite customer conversation topics include my two favorite podcasts,
Speaker 2: Not Another Crime Podcast and Everyone Has an X, and
Speaker 2: my two cats.
Speaker 1: Oh You're one of mine.
Speaker 2: My other interests include discussing Grandma's spelling and punctual ways.
Speaker 1: Thank God, you're one of mine.
Speaker 2: Clearly I've found my home. Thank you, keep please keep going.
Speaker 2: We all love you God.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's the best. This is the thing, right,
Speaker 1: I'm a I think I've always thought I'm a unique,
Speaker 1: annoying human. I know I am still annoying, But what
Speaker 1: I'm learning is I'm not that unique. There are so
Speaker 1: many more people finding you this way.
Speaker 2: This comes from SERI I believe ce r I Kerry
Speaker 2: Kerry Kerry. Oh. I was honestly not expecting this. This
Speaker 2: comes from the Will Patterson episode, the original Will Perce
Speaker 2: It's so completely different to anything I've ever heard before.
Speaker 2: What an incredibly heartfelt telling of when a good person
Speaker 2: makes a bad decision. I'm so glad that we got
Speaker 2: to hear about his life after prison and all the
Speaker 2: wonderful things he had to say about his partner. It
Speaker 2: was a lovely ending to a harrowing the bad kind
Speaker 2: not the good kind story love heart. Yeah, I absolutely yeah,
Speaker 2: that's yeah. And Will Patterson, as we now know is
Speaker 2: Scott Williams. Yeah, I love that episode. That was such
Speaker 2: a good episode.
Speaker 1: So that, Yeah, go back and look for that if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard it, guys, Yes, it's called It's.
Speaker 2: This comes from Gemma, just to put the matter to bed.
Speaker 2: So this was the bonus the Kim Kardashian Paris heist,
Speaker 2: just to put the matter to bear, because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want us all to be left bereft of an outcome.
Speaker 2: Jat's often described as the thinnest, pyallest, and hardest, most
Speaker 2: brittle of the common savory crackers rits. These are slightly
Speaker 2: thicker and when they have been subject to recent reports
Speaker 2: of shrinkification, making them thinner than in the past. They
Speaker 2: are typically characterized as having a softer, more buttery and
Speaker 2: crumbly texture compared to chats can.
Speaker 1: I also say, we've got a lot of gems that listen.
Speaker 1: We do speak.
Speaker 2: Parts of we love you, Eliza, Happy birthday, guys, love
Speaker 2: from down here in Tazzy might not be able to
Speaker 2: sleep tonight after hearing about the button man's moves down
Speaker 2: here truly horrendous.
Speaker 1: Is that why I'm going there twice in the next two.
Speaker 2: Weeks to find the button.
Speaker 1: Man, Eliza, come and help me find the button?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, And let's do one more from Grace. Hi,
Speaker 2: Sammy and Georgia love Love, Love your podcast, Love the
Speaker 2: Azaria story. But did you know that there was a
Speaker 2: movie made in nineteen eighty eight that had none other
Speaker 2: than Meryl Streep played Lindsay and Sam Neila's Michael. So, Lindy,
Speaker 2: I think you mean Meryl Streep. Yeah, played Lindy and
Speaker 2: sam Neila's Michael. It is called Evil Angels. It's not
Speaker 2: that good, even though it was at the time the
Speaker 2: most expensive movie shot in Australian history. But it has
Speaker 2: a very interesting twist spoiler alert. It has two storylines.
Speaker 2: One that the Dingo's got my baby and I sacrificed
Speaker 2: her as her name suggests. Yes, you read that right.
Speaker 2: I remember watching this on TV when I was much younger,
Speaker 2: but I distinctly remember the two storylines. Continue the great work,
Speaker 2: and I do love the longer stories. It is that
Speaker 2: interesting thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like that. That is before the case was entirely.
Speaker 2: Closed, after they kind of Yeah, the movie.
Speaker 1: Evil Angels that the appearance had something to do with that, yes.
Speaker 2: But also Meryl Streep and Sam Neil. That is such
Speaker 2: a weird mixer hear. Yeah, yeah, we have to watch that.
Speaker 2: We have to watch that Evil Angel. But I didn't
Speaker 2: know that that was a did you know that Marle's.
Speaker 1: No or I would have put it in the in the.
Speaker 2: Episode, yeah, how Bazaar and I wonder you know if
Speaker 2: it was a you know, the most expensive movie shots
Speaker 2: in Australia, Wonderful was actually Australian production to get Meryl
Speaker 2: straight out here, like that's quite that's quite nuts.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of work, there's a lot more research
Speaker 1: to be done here into that story. That episode was
Speaker 1: already like two and a half. That was long.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's a hard one to.
Speaker 1: Do, sorry, Lindy Javelin to bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well thank you as always everybody.
Speaker 2: If you want to write in Sammy it just another
Speaker 2: company dot com dot are you.
Speaker 1: I'd really love to hear people's theories about Elisa Lamb.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Missed anything like I know that I have, right, this
Speaker 1: is the thing. There are so many online theories. I
Speaker 1: kind of picked out the like, especially with the paranormal stuff.
Speaker 1: That two that are the most commonly spoken about because
Speaker 1: there are so many theories of what happened. Course, of course,
Speaker 1: I've just kind of gone through first of all the
Speaker 1: facts of what happened, and then what that could allude to,
Speaker 1: and then just a couple of Yeah, I really am
Speaker 1: interested in hearing people's theories.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, I love to hear. It kind of reminded
Speaker 2: me a little bit of the Phoebe hands Jack episode,
Speaker 2: where it just kind of feels like there's no how
Speaker 2: did you like that was the case.
Speaker 1: With Phoebe hands Juck? Is there was one suspect in that?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, I know in this one there's.
Speaker 1: None, Like who would have done that?
Speaker 2: Why? It's fascinating love to know about that. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: guys that handed her the box, that is so fascinating.
Speaker 2: What's my poor peave is when you go to a
Speaker 2: cafe or a restaurant and they give you the really
Speaker 2: short small glasses that you can't put much water in
Speaker 2: it all, or the.
Speaker 1: Really really half Oh I hate why do you hate them?
Speaker 1: I do them because they know people don't really drink
Speaker 1: a full glass of water at a caf.
Speaker 2: They're terrible because they keep coming back to film mine.
Speaker 2: But it's like you have to kind of go.
Speaker 1: You're a real thirsty guard.
Speaker 2: Come, what's yours today?
Speaker 1: Today? You remember the friend a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: When motorbikes speed up to make that stupid loud noise.
Speaker 2: Yes, that doesn't make you whole. It's a single lady
Speaker 2: the exact. Oh okay.
Speaker 1: That I just hate when it, especially sitting at like
Speaker 1: a restaurant recovery of something sitting outside, and a motorbike
Speaker 1: rides past. Like I know, motorbikes allowed by their nature.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 1: I have no issue with people riding a motorbike if
Speaker 1: they choose to. Not sure, if you want to be
Speaker 1: more susceptible to death in an accident, that's on you.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I shouldn't put it like that, yep, But
Speaker 2: why the.
Speaker 1: Fuck you need to rev and speed up and do
Speaker 1: this stupid over the top loud noises past people standing
Speaker 1: or sitting on the street.
Speaker 2: I hate boys will be born.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's a fucking poor dry peeve as well
Speaker 1: as that's stupid our sentence. No boys, there's not an excuse.
Speaker 1: The softest, most beautiful man, I'm really taking out of
Speaker 1: my mail.
Speaker 2: If you want to watch my comedy special, it's a
Speaker 2: good plug, good joke. It all for a plug. If
Speaker 2: you'll watch my comedy special tomorrow, God she can, and
Speaker 2: I got to love that if you did.
Speaker 1: Actually, can I say for the record, Sammy is not
Speaker 1: someone who actually uses the two boys will be boys
Speaker 1: as an excuse. He's the last person in the world
Speaker 1: even to do that. Just realize or rage then I
Speaker 1: saw it absolutely read when you said that sentence. But
Speaker 1: you are saying to be funny, please, Sammy's Comedy Special
Speaker 1: is just the best hour of comedy like that. It
Speaker 1: makes you fall in love with him so purely and
Speaker 1: so deeply, and it's so funny and it is so
Speaker 1: pure and it is so wonderful and just I implore you.
Speaker 1: Her magis straight. Watch this. You're so lucky that you
Speaker 1: get to see for free that it's on.
Speaker 2: Thank you g on YouTube. I absolutely love doing it.
Speaker 2: It was just filmed in one take. Quite a nerve
Speaker 2: wracking experience to go and do that, But I absolutely
Speaker 2: love the night that it was on and I went
Speaker 2: into it kind of going, this is just the night
Speaker 2: that I do it. And I had a great time
Speaker 2: doing it. It was so much fun at Comedy of Public.
Speaker 2: So it'll be in the Comedy Public YouTube channel. You
Speaker 2: can follow me personally and sending Peter's an unofficial but
Speaker 2: we'll also put it on the Instagram of Not Another
Speaker 2: Crime Ver We will ow Yeah, as always, thank you
Speaker 2: Oliver Clark for doing the theme music. Thank you to
Speaker 2: Tams and Hayes for doing the artwork. Thank you again
Speaker 2: to Mith Warhurst and Oliver Clark for coming on our
Speaker 2: absolutely one year anniversary. It was so much fun. It
Speaker 2: was so much fun.
Speaker 1: We asked them both to come here and then we
Speaker 1: just kind of spoke at them for an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to do much and just a great mix
Speaker 2: of guests. It was just so funny to have those
Speaker 2: two here.
Speaker 1: And the number of people say, I've got to say
Speaker 1: that you commented in seeing the YouTube vision or seeing
Speaker 1: the photos of Oliver Clark wearing his full three piece.
Speaker 1: A number of people that have commented, he's dressed perfectly
Speaker 1: for the airport children.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have seen that. So funny. Yeah for you,
Speaker 2: your pet pave, he is dressed perfectly for the airport,
Speaker 2: but not for a goddamn motorbike. Thank you Ja this
Speaker 2: week for telling that case.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I know it's really like like unfulfilling
Speaker 1: because there's no real answer to us.
Speaker 2: Cases always are.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having discussions with you guys about
Speaker 1: what you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, we will see you this coming Thursday as
Speaker 2: well with a very special guest. That's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: I have been practicing this. Oh my goodness, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Have a great week everybody. Bye.