Speaker 1: The Flex and Rooms Daily podcast, Hey little ones, as
Speaker 1: we talk. As I talk right now, I'm currently undressing
Speaker 1: Amandarin mandarins have been in season lately. I've been eating
Speaker 1: these ones called d lights. I haven't really been in
Speaker 1: my fruit era. I eat a banana for breakfast as
Speaker 1: part of my Wheatbix routine.
Speaker 2: But is that one of the good manda urins. I
Speaker 2: haven't had one this season. Then somebody recommended me to
Speaker 2: go get some, and I was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: The only one I had a couple of days ago
Speaker 2: was so dry, like desert dry, no liquid, just it
Speaker 2: was terrible.
Speaker 1: There's two types. There's one. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: brand is, but it's shit. And the other day I
Speaker 1: went to Woolwards and I asked the guy working, I'm like,
Speaker 1: which one is better? He's like, just just open two
Speaker 1: of them and have a taste my Woolwords fresh Food King.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, So I tried while and it tasted.
Speaker 1: All I can say is it tastes like an asshole seedless.
Speaker 1: It had seeds in it, and it tasted like yeah,
Speaker 1: and also like some mandarins. I have two associations with mandarins.
Speaker 1: The first one is when I was in primary school
Speaker 1: and mom would give me a little mandarin in the
Speaker 1: lunch box and it tasted like flowery, Yeah, terrible flowery.
Speaker 1: And it also smelt like artificial mandarin style, so it
Speaker 1: smelt really strong but tasted really crap. But this matter
Speaker 1: that I'm having now, I started getting into mandarins a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago when Louis McCurdy, one of the producers
Speaker 1: that cater brought a mandarin in.
Speaker 2: Not a producer, assistant content director.
Speaker 1: Oh to me, content and production is the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's not anyway, Louis knows.
Speaker 2: My assistant host.
Speaker 1: Nah, well, I don't believe in titles. So anyway, he
Speaker 1: brought in a mandarin and it was so young, and
Speaker 1: he gave me a little segment, so do you like?
Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress. What we're talking about today is
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 2: FLEXI? So basically for me was noticing how often I
Speaker 2: talk about the apocalypse. But like many people think, it's
Speaker 2: I don't don't throw up bab and you pecked it
Speaker 2: at me too, Why don't you peel off the white
Speaker 2: bits before you handed it over?
Speaker 1: I like the extra fiber.
Speaker 2: Where's the showmanship? The decorum. Can I speak if we
Speaker 2: was talking about how I talk about the apocalypse a
Speaker 2: lot and assumed, like most people, that I was being
Speaker 2: facetious or that I will fear mongering, fear mongering or yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe trying to like fear monger in a in like
Speaker 2: an unfriendly way, And I'm like, no, no, no, I think
Speaker 2: that people are not prepared for a reality that real
Speaker 2: people are living right now, and that kind of ignorance
Speaker 2: is the most unsafe thing about it. Like, yes, we're
Speaker 2: all gonna die one day, but in the meantime, what
Speaker 2: would make life more enjoyable is not being in denial
Speaker 2: about what our future is going to be.
Speaker 1: Like really opened my eyes, I try. Anyway, before we
Speaker 1: start this popping in your mouth.
Speaker 2: The thing I do like about mandarins is the taste.
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of labor or what could be
Speaker 2: subpar se.
Speaker 1: No, I just read because it's like an orange, but
Speaker 1: you have to cut an orange.
Speaker 2: But you know what's so funny that I hate chewing sounds?
Speaker 2: But I know what I hate more than chewing sound?
Speaker 1: Can I guess?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mouth sounds? No farts?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? But okay, wait, is it give me a clue.
Speaker 2: It's about the mouth.
Speaker 1: Oh, spit in the corners of the mouth.
Speaker 2: That's gross, But not that.
Speaker 1: Give me another clue. No, come on, come on.
Speaker 2: I like games.
Speaker 1: It's about eating, oh, chewing with your mouth open, having
Speaker 1: stuff enough.
Speaker 2: But I just don't like messy eaters. If I see
Speaker 2: sauce on your face, if I see like the mouth,
Speaker 2: I think you can chew with your mouth open in
Speaker 2: a disgusting way.
Speaker 1: Disagree.
Speaker 2: And I think what made me really aware of it
Speaker 2: is my family choose food in a way that I
Speaker 2: don't understand as a picky eater, because they would eat
Speaker 2: things that I would eat and that was terrible. But
Speaker 2: the ware they chew it and like the mouth sounds
Speaker 2: like it looks so delective people who are ugly eaters.
Speaker 2: It's not for me.
Speaker 1: Far out you should do the badcast. Okay.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing. I have a question. And
Speaker 2: I only thought about it recently because somebody had told
Speaker 2: me that I'm quite generous with how I spend my money.
Speaker 1: I think it was me?
Speaker 2: Was it you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What was the context?
Speaker 1: It was more generous? Like, for example, we were at
Speaker 1: an event recently and you offered to drive everyone home.
Speaker 1: I thought that was generous, and given the petrol prices,
Speaker 1: particularly generous.
Speaker 2: This is in particular to money. I think the context
Speaker 2: was somebody asking about splitting bills and whether or not
Speaker 2: it should be itemized or should one person just cover it,
Speaker 2: or like how free are you with it? And I
Speaker 2: always think, if you've got it, you should share it,
Speaker 2: And I don't think in the context of friendships, I
Speaker 2: think it's very clear to know who has and who
Speaker 2: doesn't have it, Like, I don't think we need to
Speaker 2: split everything three ways. If someone out earns you triple
Speaker 2: like relax, you can copy it for the team only
Speaker 2: if you want to. Though, when it comes to my
Speaker 2: good friend money lender, if I want to have an
Speaker 2: experience that you don't have the coins for at the time,
Speaker 2: I'll pay for it. I don't even think I have
Speaker 2: the expectation of seeing that money back because I know
Speaker 2: how people are. It's like, if you didn't have it
Speaker 2: to begin with, where are you getting it to pay
Speaker 2: me back in the next six months? You just don't
Speaker 2: have the money, So for me, it's like parting with
Speaker 2: it earnestly and saying like I am honoring in my
Speaker 2: head that I'm giving it to you for the benefit
Speaker 2: of the experience we're about to have. And if that's
Speaker 2: the cost to have this experience, then I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I like, I'm expecting it back. But what about you?
Speaker 2: What is your perspective on lending money to friends? Have
Speaker 2: you ever had somebody ask you in particular or would
Speaker 2: you offer up money to a friend for an experience,
Speaker 2: a lunch, a dinner without the expectation of having it back.
Speaker 1: I would like to start actually by asking you, when
Speaker 1: did you decide that you have enough money to be
Speaker 1: shouting other people? When did the penny drop.
Speaker 2: From the jump? I have a very generous family, Like
Speaker 2: we're working class, but I saw raised in the church obviously,
Speaker 2: and a big part of that is being generous and
Speaker 2: like giving you know what you have, or making sure
Speaker 2: that you know while you're eating good, the person next
Speaker 2: to you isn't going hungry. So I remember, like every Sunday,
Speaker 2: my mum would make a bunch of food, like I'm
Speaker 2: talking six different stews or whatever to take it to
Speaker 2: church and just like feed people and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: take some dinner home or whatever. It's just something that
Speaker 2: she did, and I didn't think of it as being generous,
Speaker 2: but it definitely created an environment where the expectation was like,
Speaker 2: don't be stingy. The phrasing was don't give with a
Speaker 2: closed fist as well, like if you're going to give
Speaker 2: someone something, whether it's like a favor, access to something, whatever,
Speaker 2: just do it and let it go.
Speaker 1: The thing that I always think about this is again
Speaker 1: like it sounds like that was an environment that fostered it.
Speaker 1: You become more stingy the more stingy people that you're around.
Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than being on the receiving end when
Speaker 1: you agree to pay for something and then it just
Speaker 1: furstens you the whole time, and it's never a place
Speaker 1: like it makes you more of a stingy person to others.
Speaker 1: It's like the smile thing. The more you smile, the
Speaker 1: more smiles your back singy aire the more it becomes.
Speaker 1: And then like, for example, I've always been in like
Speaker 1: friendship grew so growing up, I was in friendship groups
Speaker 1: that were stingy with each other, and then now as
Speaker 1: an adult, for example, I had all my girlfriends over
Speaker 1: for dinner last night. Everyone's bringing wine and chocolates and
Speaker 1: saying starters, can I bring hot chips? Like everyone's pitching
Speaker 1: in and it makes you want to go and buy
Speaker 1: the best ingredient to get a beautiful natural wine, and
Speaker 1: it creates such a more beautiful experience. But it's definitely
Speaker 1: a very special thing. And I don't think many people
Speaker 1: get that often. I will say on your thing about
Speaker 1: like people earning three times more than others, the fact
Speaker 1: that you know the idea that they should get the bill.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that one what.
Speaker 2: Make should get the bill? But I think be reasonable
Speaker 2: about like the experiences you want to have access to,
Speaker 2: Number one. I think that to me, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is the function of money for myself? Right? Like what
Speaker 2: do I make money for?
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you make money for to live.
Speaker 2: A nice, easy, pleasurable, generous life but not alone? Like
Speaker 2: what is what is the benefit of going to the
Speaker 2: nicest restaurant if your friends can't come with you? That
Speaker 2: is so lame? What is the benefit having perks of
Speaker 2: stuff if you can't do it people you'd like? I
Speaker 2: hate that, So I don't think it's like an expectation
Speaker 2: that you should. But for me, I want to enjoy
Speaker 2: with everyone, and so like the value of the shared
Speaker 2: experience means more to me than the small expense. I
Speaker 2: know I can make back in a second, Like it's
Speaker 2: chill for me this memory. We might not get another opportunity, Babe.
Speaker 2: There might not be a Coachella to go to. You know,
Speaker 2: there might not be a Garner to go to. Now
Speaker 2: there's coins to take us there, we must go.
Speaker 1: That's very nice. I'm not sure if I'm the same.
Speaker 1: Just say you're stingy and go babies, Okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll wear that because I am not going to pretend
Speaker 1: I want to get everyone's expectations to be low. It's
Speaker 1: like when you're in the lottery.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about friends like you still have it.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, she said, leave them who bite? All right, Pete, Well,
Speaker 2: the more you know, and I don't think that's a
Speaker 2: good or bad answer. Like you said, our younger experiences
Speaker 2: are dictating how comfortable we feel or don't feel, and
Speaker 2: also the environments that we are in the generous family
Speaker 2: and very generous friends and not just money. I'm talking
Speaker 2: like generous with love, abundant thinkers, and so this just
Speaker 2: feels like a self fulfilling prophecy where it's helping me
Speaker 2: do this easily. I don't know Stingybinches.
Speaker 1: It can go the other way. Like my head's very
Speaker 1: generous with money and with helping people, like he's one
Speaker 1: little stop on the side of the road to like
Speaker 1: help you help fix your car. He won't fix it, like,
Speaker 1: he'll make it worse, and he'll probably yell at you
Speaker 1: while he's doing it, but he'll be the one to stop,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But seeing our people will
Speaker 1: take advantage of his financial sharedness. That's why me and
Speaker 1: my sister is stingy because we've seen people take advantage
Speaker 1: of it and we like fudge that. So yeah, it
Speaker 1: goes both ways. Flex and Frooms. I often think about
Speaker 1: what I want my future to look like. And when
Speaker 1: I'm here in Kbu Flexi, you talk about the future
Speaker 1: a lot. I guess you would say you would consider
Speaker 1: yourself a futurist in some respont futurists reading a lot
Speaker 1: about the future about AI and you talk often about
Speaker 1: the apocalypse in our recordings together, though I go, damn,
Speaker 1: you talk about the apocalypse a lot. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it makes me depressed, but like I know
Speaker 1: people that I think would listen, Like sometimes I'll be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because everything's going to end anyway. And
Speaker 1: I get blowback from my friends saying, that's really depressing
Speaker 1: when you say that. You're not allowed to say that
Speaker 1: around me.
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, common boundaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I guess I wanted to know. You talk
Speaker 1: about the apocalypse, you talk about things ending and everything
Speaker 1: descending into chaos. If that does happen, like you're predicting,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna deal with that? What are you
Speaker 1: going to do in your life? I want to hear everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that I think we are in
Speaker 2: the apocalypse now. Broadly speaking, the apocalypse is when things
Speaker 2: the pendulum swings so far in the other direction that
Speaker 2: life is not what you know it as that's happened
Speaker 2: far too many times in our lifetime, such as COVID lockdown,
Speaker 2: climate change, Like all of these things are quite apocalyptic
Speaker 2: in nature, and I think because they're happening spread apart,
Speaker 2: we're not seeing how severe it is. But there's like
Speaker 2: locust plagues in East Africa and in Arizona a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago it was so hot that street signs
Speaker 2: were melting. That is apocalyptic to me. But I feel
Speaker 2: as though we're able to put on our peripherals and
Speaker 2: you know, block ourselves out from seeing it. Therefore we
Speaker 2: think it doesn't exist. So I think we're doing it now.
Speaker 2: I really feel like the apocalypse would just be taking
Speaker 2: phone calls and like having deadlines and thinking that there's
Speaker 2: like a bigger purpose to your labor in society. That
Speaker 2: would be it. If things descend into chaos like the
Speaker 2: movies would have, it seemed the ground opens up, the
Speaker 2: media is about to hit, or whatever. I'm going rogue babes.
Speaker 2: I'm a true neutral. We did our alignment test a
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago. It's like this personality test that dictates
Speaker 2: how you see the world and how you act, and
Speaker 2: I got true neutral. I'm self interested. I do what
Speaker 2: I want for me when I want, because I want.
Speaker 2: That is a lifestyle I'm cranking into. I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: looting if I can think of my life without responsibilities,
Speaker 2: free agent, doing road trips, looting, eating snacks, making friends, partying,
Speaker 2: having chit chats, learning how to barter, setting up like
Speaker 2: a secondary capitalistic society, like a life will be burning. Man,
Speaker 2: let's barter in trade. I'm really excited for that, though
Speaker 2: I do think, you know, the other way that I
Speaker 2: see is that you know, we don't get stripped of
Speaker 2: our life, but it's the little luxuries we get stripped of,
Speaker 2: you know. Like I think it's a luxury for us
Speaker 2: to be able to like have our identities and to
Speaker 2: claim our identities and to live lives as separate, hyper
Speaker 2: individual people. Because give it a couple of years, maybe
Speaker 2: a couple decades, and we'll we'll be wearing gray suits
Speaker 2: and will be numbers. And our only function is to
Speaker 2: keep the world going. Because if you think about it,
Speaker 2: this society that we've created only runs if enough people
Speaker 2: work to keep it going. Like the plumbing and the
Speaker 2: firefighters and the rubbish bin people and the delivery drivers
Speaker 2: and all of them. We don't have access to those
Speaker 2: things unless somebody does it. The farmers, the abattoir people.
Speaker 2: So if everybody stops, there is no even bare minimum
Speaker 2: for anyone. So I think what will end up happening
Speaker 2: is it will become these just like workhorses, no name,
Speaker 2: just number grade clothes. Clock in, do your job, go home,
Speaker 2: wake up, clock in, But not do your job so
Speaker 2: you can make money for your own personal life. It's
Speaker 2: just do your job to do the job. Do the
Speaker 2: job so the world keeps running.
Speaker 1: That could be nice, not for me. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: going on an island for someone else.
Speaker 2: I still need my snacks, so.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just stock up on chocolate and I'll be chill. Literally,
Speaker 1: I will admit when we talk about it, flex it
Speaker 1: worries me. I'm glad that I've heard your perspective on
Speaker 1: it because it makes me feel more hopeful, because I
Speaker 1: have this dissonance where I'm like, you talk about all
Speaker 1: these things, but you like the luxuries that capitalism affords
Speaker 1: us and the way that we're living right now. So
Speaker 1: and I know that you're very hypothetical, but I wonder
Speaker 1: what you would actually be like in that scenario. You
Speaker 1: think you could survive.
Speaker 2: It, well, it survive it like I survive capitalism now,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not into Nile about what's required to live
Speaker 2: well in the society we're living in now. And I
Speaker 2: think that's why I'm the way I am. Like if
Speaker 2: I like when I was younger, everyone's like, did you
Speaker 2: always have an entrepreneurial spirit? No, I wanted an iPhone.
Speaker 2: I couldn't afford it. So I've got a job and
Speaker 2: I got two jobs and then three jobs. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, my aspiration in life is not
Speaker 2: to work or be good at a job. I just
Speaker 2: want things. And this is just what was required to
Speaker 2: get said things. And now you know, you build a
Speaker 2: personal brand, you keep doing the thing to make more
Speaker 2: things right. But I also am acutely aware of that
Speaker 2: when we talk about the apocalypse hypothetically, I think it's
Speaker 2: hard for people in the West, especially to be like
Speaker 2: it could never get that bad. I'm like, babes, have
Speaker 2: you heard about North Korea? Like it's currently terrible? Do
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like if you heard about
Speaker 2: like communist regimes, not even that, but like there are
Speaker 2: worse places to live than Australia. And so when everyone's
Speaker 2: like we gonna the public could never happen, it's like
Speaker 2: people live below the poverty line now, people aren't eating now,
Speaker 2: people don't have electricity and clean water now, and so
Speaker 2: for us to get there, we're just going to wear
Speaker 2: real life humans currently about the day to day interesting,
Speaker 2: which is scary. It's like you think about like let's
Speaker 2: say ghana, for instance, their biggest export. It's like cocoa cool,
Speaker 2: Like everyone has nice chocolate because you know Garna provides coca.
Speaker 1: So do you think chocolate's better in Ghana.
Speaker 2: I'm not big on chocolate anyway, so I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm a good You.
Speaker 1: Need to bring smuggle some back for me.
Speaker 2: Can we bring chocolate back? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I brought some back from Central America. Wouldn't say it's
Speaker 1: my favorite. I like preservatives and milk, yeah, and a
Speaker 1: natural milk.
Speaker 2: And then what is like Australia's biggest exporter.
Speaker 1: Like wool, maybe all iron or crude crude oil? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: But then also I'm thinking like and then you see
Speaker 2: like North Korea the biggest export is like weapons. Like
Speaker 2: the world is already scary now we just are afforded
Speaker 2: a lifestyle where we were. When we think about the apocalypse,
Speaker 2: it's a foreign concept, but it's apocalyptic now in the
Speaker 2: worst way right now. Interesting like remember when I was
Speaker 2: Hurricane Katrina and how long it took for those displaced
Speaker 2: people to find homes a decade? Like not having clean
Speaker 2: water in Flint in the middle of America? Like right now,
Speaker 2: can you imagine having to shower with bottled water for
Speaker 2: years because your government won't supply water to you, these
Speaker 2: are not like, right now, the world sucks. So when
Speaker 2: I say the apocalypse is nigh. When I think about
Speaker 2: the apocalypse, I'm like, I think about how would we
Speaker 2: function if we had to do anything terrible for longer
Speaker 2: than just a fraction of time, Like lockdown would have
Speaker 2: been the worst thing for some Australians ever. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so you just got to stay in your amazing house,
Speaker 2: eating food and working from home. It's like you don't
Speaker 2: want to be a person's like be grateful you even
Speaker 2: have a house. But it's those same people who are
Speaker 2: kind of like the apocalypse is such a foreign concept,
Speaker 2: could never happen. It's like, yeah, because you think life
Speaker 2: is your little bubble m. I like it.
Speaker 1: I've gained more understanding of what you actually mean by
Speaker 1: apocalypse because to me it was not Again, I'm someone
Speaker 1: that wouldn't even think of it, Like, to me, it's
Speaker 1: baseless and doing it for gags and it scares people.
Speaker 1: Of course, it should scare people because we're not.
Speaker 2: Used to that, not prepared at all.
Speaker 1: I remember when COVID first started, I was talking to
Speaker 1: my mum about it and she was saying, how rickety
Speaker 1: supply chains actually are in a way that we don't realize,
Speaker 1: Like if one little root cuts off, it's a domino
Speaker 1: effect in a way that we have not considered, and
Speaker 1: we're not prepared for it. And it's scary how unprepared
Speaker 1: we are for it. Actually came out of COVID so well,
Speaker 1: all things considered.
Speaker 2: Reminds me when somebody was asking me, you know, why
Speaker 2: is the fruit and veg so expensive? And I'm like,
Speaker 2: but don't you understand, supermarket models, it's not the fresh
Speaker 2: ingredient that's making the money. It's all those unnecessary things
Speaker 2: like lollies and chips and expensive luxuries that are and
Speaker 2: the markup on those things that are making these supermarket
Speaker 2: chains money. So when the it gets really expensive to
Speaker 2: bring in fruits and veg, they're not gonna like subsize
Speaker 2: that cost for you because I already don't make money
Speaker 2: in that area, not enough. It's like if I can
Speaker 2: buy an orange for a dollar, how much did the
Speaker 2: grocery store buy it from the farmer fla how many
Speaker 2: years did it take him or her or them to
Speaker 2: soil and toil to make that orange? So I can
Speaker 2: buy it for a dollar.
Speaker 1: Soil and toil. Yeah, I mean the thing that I
Speaker 1: think about with the apocalypse and particularly the pretty command
Speaker 1: in Australia. Myself particularly, I hate the idea of getting
Speaker 1: really rich and then losing it all. So we are
Speaker 1: leaving a rich, abundant lifestyle. It's going to hit one
Speaker 1: hundred times worse emotionally an ego wise. When it all
Speaker 1: falls down. I'm going to have to have some serious recalibrations.
Speaker 1: They're going to hurt my soul. I'm not prepared personally
Speaker 1: and internally.
Speaker 2: We'll suffer together.
Speaker 1: They look forward to it. NAT. This is flex and
Speaker 1: Frooms on Keda.
Speaker 2: The other day, I was doing my daily scroll on
Speaker 2: the internet. Came across the news that I thought was fake.
Speaker 2: It is very much real. It's the fact that when
Speaker 2: Germans leave their rental property they take the kitchen with them.
Speaker 2: What this is what I said. And at first I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm not falling for this trap. Okay,
Speaker 2: I have internet literacy. I'm not going to fall for
Speaker 2: everything I read. But I did Google. It took me
Speaker 2: to the website called Korra, where it's a place where
Speaker 2: you can ask questions and people answer them.
Speaker 1: Again, I'm gonna say it's for thirteen year olds asking
Speaker 1: how to kiss a boy.
Speaker 2: No way, The question is when moving. Germans also take
Speaker 2: kitchen cabinets and parquet floors when selling the apartment as well.
Speaker 2: Why on earth, after all those cabinets do not fit
Speaker 2: in your apartments? Are there such special practices in other countries?
Speaker 2: Someone else said, we don't take the floors, but we
Speaker 2: do take the kitchen. The reasons why is because we
Speaker 2: installed it and it costs a lot of money, like
Speaker 2: ten to twenty thousand dollars. The kitchens typically come from
Speaker 2: a big manufacturer and consist of standard parts. They can
Speaker 2: work in many different apartments, and when we leave them,
Speaker 2: the next renter is generally not willing to pay more
Speaker 2: than a quarter or a fifth of what we paid
Speaker 2: for it, and they're betting on being too lazy to
Speaker 2: take it with us. So, you know, making a point
Speaker 2: sticking it to the man, being like, it's mine, I
Speaker 2: paid for it, I'm taking it with me.
Speaker 1: This is very mey behavior. I wially admit that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I more prefer people to take their own bathroom, Like
Speaker 1: when I move into my next house, if I have
Speaker 1: some sort of ownership over it, I will be getting
Speaker 1: a new toilet. That's number one thing I'm doing.
Speaker 2: See, I felt that when I bought my house. I'm like,
Speaker 2: the bathroom is the only good place in here. It's
Speaker 2: not changing, not one thing, not.
Speaker 1: Even the toilet. It's a great toilet, the toilet seat.
Speaker 2: I changed a toilet seat in my last apartment, made
Speaker 2: it pink litter. But I will say in maybe two
Speaker 2: serious yeah, yeah, and two homes ago I made. I
Speaker 2: moved into this really lovely apartment, beautiful wooden floors, beautiful
Speaker 2: like ceiling cornices, really like nice art deco, but no storage.
Speaker 2: So I got someone to come in and build a
Speaker 2: built in. And when I talked to my realtor about it,
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I want to get this built in,
Speaker 2: but you know I want it. It's mine, so I
Speaker 2: want to take it when I go. He was like, well,
Speaker 2: we're not gonna let you do that, and I was
Speaker 2: like why. He was like, well, if you're gonna add
Speaker 2: value to the place, it's ours. As I came, ignoring
Speaker 2: you anyway, So I built the built in cost like
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred dollars or something ridiculous, but it really high ceilings.
Speaker 2: Built it. Then when it was time to leave. I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm not moving into a place with
Speaker 2: high ceilings, so hiring someone to take this down, put
Speaker 2: it in a moving truck, take to the new apartment.
Speaker 2: It wasn't going to happen, so I get it by
Speaker 2: principle and practicality. Too expensive.
Speaker 1: Good to know. I'm very surprised you did that. That's cool.
Speaker 1: The only things that I've done to my old rentals
Speaker 1: is nail holes into the walls, so I'm glad you did.
Speaker 2: I don't even do that. I use my command trips,
Speaker 2: but if it's a mirror, I'll definitely drill into the brick.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on kit FLEXI. I think
Speaker 1: it was a few weeks ago. Now. I was telling
Speaker 1: you about a method that I have when crossing the road.
Speaker 1: It's a method that I conceived of when I was
Speaker 1: studying at r MIT in Melbourne about five years ago.
Speaker 1: I would keep my head held high as a method
Speaker 1: to continue going in the one direction and not having
Speaker 1: to falter and go either side of people coming towards me.
Speaker 1: I've added an extra layer of protection when it comes
Speaker 1: to me being a pedestrian outside. This is something that
Speaker 1: I conceived of. Yeah, about a year ago now, so
Speaker 1: I've been having it on rotation for at least four seasons,
Speaker 1: and that is when I approach a zebra crossing. Now,
Speaker 1: just for some context, I have lived around in zebra
Speaker 1: crossings for again the past five years. There's something that
Speaker 1: I do is I get very pissed off if people
Speaker 1: don't respect the zebra crossing. If I'm approaching a zebra
Speaker 1: crossing and you're also approaching the zebra crossing, you stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going to try and whizz through because I'm
Speaker 1: one meter away from starting.
Speaker 2: And if the rest of the world had gotten their
Speaker 2: l's two years ago like me, they would know that, yes.
Speaker 1: But they haven't. They haven't, and where I live, they're
Speaker 1: seemingly savages trying to get out of the place. But
Speaker 1: what happens is if I'm walking up to the zebra crossing,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to stop. I would sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: not going to.
Speaker 2: Put it out there. It don't even slow down. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give way for you.
Speaker 1: No way I'm going. It's a pedestrian crossing. They have
Speaker 1: to be careful around it. I am approaching a zebra crossing.
Speaker 2: I trust you. Having strangers on the road I have
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Of brain tests, Blanche generally don't I it's innocence. I
Speaker 1: approach the crossing and I start crossing over. I always look,
Speaker 1: and I give a look. I give a smile. If
Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little bit down on the day, like
Speaker 1: I'm wearing something that's a bit gross, I usually keep
Speaker 1: to myself. I like make myself smaller. But if I'm
Speaker 1: feeling slag, I'm walking across, I'm doing a little wave.
Speaker 1: I'm giving a little smile. However, if I'm going across
Speaker 1: and they're not smiling back at me, I do something
Speaker 1: very very simple. You move, and when you move, your
Speaker 1: arms move. I cock a finger out the middle finger
Speaker 1: as I'm walking, very subtle. I wish you could say,
Speaker 1: right now, my hands are down by my side. It's
Speaker 1: definitely a demonstration, and I'm leaving them and there's just
Speaker 1: one finger cocked towards the direction of the person in
Speaker 1: the car.
Speaker 2: This is insane behavior.
Speaker 1: Because I don't like that I have gone to the
Speaker 1: trouble of giving you a smile and you just look
Speaker 1: at me like an idiot, and so I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you a little finger up. I don't know, is
Speaker 1: that a bit Karen esque.
Speaker 2: I always say to myself, I feel like for Me
Speaker 2: was written by a team of sitcom riders. People don't
Speaker 2: do this stuff, and it's so intentional and so like
Speaker 2: methodical and calculated that like, I'm like, how does a
Speaker 2: real person think of this? Number one, I'm so surprised
Speaker 2: that someone not smiling back at you, a random person
Speaker 2: on the street is what's getting you so fired up.
Speaker 1: No, I will, I will add a caveat. It's not
Speaker 1: that they're not smiling. It's that I'm giving them a warm,
Speaker 1: genuine smile and they're like giving me.
Speaker 2: A stink high. Warm is genuine?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, when I smile at people, I mean it.
Speaker 1: I'm a smiley person. My nickname in primary school from
Speaker 1: the teachers was Smiley because I love to smile. So
Speaker 1: when I'm smiling someone, and it's especially the people that
Speaker 1: have like zoomed up and then I've asserted my dominance
Speaker 1: by continuing to walk and then they give me a greasy.
Speaker 2: But if it's smiling with expectation, then it's manipulative.
Speaker 1: Well no, because no, I want to clarify again, it's
Speaker 1: because they have physically been giving me the snarley vibe
Speaker 1: you give.
Speaker 2: Me, give me a facial smiling life. But they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard to do. It's just it's making
Speaker 1: me feel like an idiot, like an idiot sandwich, and
Speaker 1: I just figure my one tip for life is smile.
Speaker 2: The one tip, the one tip for me has is smile.
Speaker 1: You're listening to flex and Froomska.
Speaker 2: I have strong opinions about a lot of things. Yes,
Speaker 2: contrary to popular belief, I don't care about a lot
Speaker 2: of things. In my herd of horts, I just like talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very something that you have to get acclimatized too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not tied to it. It's just vibes. But the
Speaker 2: one thing I do have a really strong opinion about
Speaker 2: is that I don't want to have to live full
Speaker 2: time with my partner. Not just because of the superficial
Speaker 2: things like I don't want to merge our esthetics or whatever. No,
Speaker 2: it's because I recognize that every time I've been in
Speaker 2: a stage of a relationship where it's like everyday sleepovers
Speaker 2: and we basically live together, I can't sleep. And I'm
Speaker 2: not a light sleeper. I'm a very easy sleeper and
Speaker 2: a long sleeper. I'm knocked out. The issue is I'm
Speaker 2: sleeping next to big hunks of like warm so like
Speaker 2: you're messing with my body temperature, the space for the blanket.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to share a blanket with
Speaker 2: a six foot five man. You're taking too much of it.
Speaker 2: I don't have multiple blankets. Some are decorative, okay, and
Speaker 2: number three snores and like heavy breathers. All of these
Speaker 2: things are really annoying to me because I'm sensitive, sensitive hearing,
Speaker 2: sensitive smell, sensitive taste. I don't like it. And obviously,
Speaker 2: if I can accurately measure my discomfort from somebody else's comfort,
Speaker 2: I'm pissed off. If you wake up sleeping well and
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep because you slept well, I've got a
Speaker 2: problem with you. So I'm not I don't want to sleep.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to I don't
Speaker 2: want to go habitat. But I was doing some googling
Speaker 2: to see if there's any data to support my preference,
Speaker 2: because it's always nice to be like I don't like it,
Speaker 2: and the facts say it's not good either. So I
Speaker 2: came across this article that said how sleeping with your
Speaker 2: partner could be ruining your relationship, not affecting it slightly,
Speaker 2: but ruining it. You're rubbining it, you're ribbon in it.
Speaker 2: As There's this thing called the Scandinavian sleep method, which
Speaker 2: is where you sleep with your partner on one mattress
Speaker 2: but use two duvets, and that is the best combination
Speaker 2: for happy sleeping if you must sleep with your partner.
Speaker 2: Are you any preferences on that sleep with partner? You're
Speaker 2: fully comfortable, you sleep well, you like, you dream well.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're the irritant.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm the irritant. I don't, it's not but
Speaker 1: I get up about ten times a night to pee.
Speaker 2: That's not good, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Turning around like I'm lying on my start and then
Speaker 1: I need to have a pillow between my legs. I'm
Speaker 1: a nightmare. But the massive reason I want to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship is to sleep in the same bed
Speaker 1: as someone I love. It. Really, it's like a thing
Speaker 1: of mine. Yeah, massive reason it is. It is it's
Speaker 1: a weird thing that I like.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for a full time best friend that I
Speaker 2: can and you just want to sleep in the same
Speaker 2: bed with them.
Speaker 1: Literally last week I slept over at my friend's house
Speaker 1: because I just like to do with someone.
Speaker 2: You do, okay, listen to this. According to this guy
Speaker 2: called Neil Stanley, he's an independent sleep expert and he
Speaker 2: also wrote a book called How to Sleep Well. He
Speaker 2: said that sharing a bed was linked to wealth or
Speaker 2: lack thereof. He said that sleeping together is actually a
Speaker 2: very modern phenomenon and it's actually not natural to sleep together.
Speaker 2: You hear that? Not natural?
Speaker 1: Laugh, I'm happy to be the exception to the rule.
Speaker 2: He said this. It's only poor people who slept together historically,
Speaker 2: because if you were rich, you had enough space not
Speaker 2: to Yet this has become so uncommon that sleeping separately
Speaker 2: in itself is a trend often called a sleep divorce.
Speaker 2: And so there's this other person called Sherry Jacobson who's
Speaker 2: a retired psychotherapist who says that the way we sleep
Speaker 2: affects how relate to people so much that we shouldn't
Speaker 2: be willy nilly with it. Like if you actually have preferences,
Speaker 2: you need to honor them, because not only does it
Speaker 2: affect your mood and well being, but it affects how
Speaker 2: and when you can relate to someone. In short, if
Speaker 2: you don't sleep well, you're a shittier person.
Speaker 1: As in generally or when you're in the bed with when.
Speaker 2: You're in the bed with someone, but also generally it's
Speaker 2: like it goes hand in hand, like if you generally
Speaker 2: don't sleep well, you become an irritable person. But if
Speaker 2: you if the cause of you're not sleeping well is
Speaker 2: directly tied to a person, you become more irritable.
Speaker 1: To brawling, throwing hands exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So if you're someone who, like through me, really really
Speaker 2: wants to maintain sleeping together, they said, try the one
Speaker 2: mattress to dovey, because you get the closeness of being
Speaker 2: near someone. But if you're able to maintain your own
Speaker 2: cocoon of comfort, then perhaps it's not going to be
Speaker 2: as irritating.
Speaker 1: I am going to be buying on one of those
Speaker 1: beds that has two sides and you can choose the firmness,
Speaker 1: and then also putting a douvet and then another little
Speaker 1: blanket the side of my bed that I can I
Speaker 1: like to wrap myself up. You know that meme which
Speaker 1: is like people lie on the bed and the blankets
Speaker 1: just over them, and then you kick it so you
Speaker 1: can put the blanket under your feet. Yes, I like that,
Speaker 1: that's my vibe. I like that, but that's obviously hard
Speaker 1: to sleep with with somebody else. Yeah, I just need
Speaker 1: to get past that time with someone where you feel
Speaker 1: like you can't fart in the bed. Get past that
Speaker 1: and then we can be vibing flex and frooms here
Speaker 1: on the show Reflex and Fromes. We have a few
Speaker 1: favorite websites or social media apps that we love to
Speaker 1: go on. We really do repeat offenders. TikTok, Instagram, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Reddit and Cora. Yeah, Cora, I'm Cora, Jason, I'm
Speaker 1: over Reddit girl. Reddit is a class. Cora is b
Speaker 1: class for different certain things. Anyway, I was on Reddit
Speaker 1: and I typed in life hacks. So they've got all
Speaker 1: different threads if you don't use Reddit, and one of
Speaker 1: them is life hacks. And these life hacks aren't things
Speaker 1: you've seen on BuzzFeed or Facebook that have been reshared
Speaker 1: by your auntie. These are things that are genuine life hacks.
Speaker 1: And one that I found that I thought you would
Speaker 1: like is it was under the thing. What is a
Speaker 1: life hack that would make your life seriously substantially better.
Speaker 1: So this is a big call, and I quote, if
Speaker 1: you have trouble choosing flip a coin, why are you
Speaker 1: While you're waiting to get the result, your mind automatically
Speaker 1: starts to wish for what it wants, and then you
Speaker 1: can choose easily.
Speaker 2: So you just explained to me what a coin flip is.
Speaker 1: No, there's an added layer there when you flip a coin. Yes,
Speaker 1: your mind is going to automatically subconsciously actually want oh see,
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, because you often do know what you want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just hard to admit it, maybe because the
Speaker 1: road there is going to be hard, or because it
Speaker 1: contradicts your values. But if you flip a coin in
Speaker 1: that little split second where it's airborne, you sit and
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, I really want heads.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do like that. I don't know what I
Speaker 2: could coin flip because I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: the decisions I have difficulty making are complex, like they
Speaker 2: don't often just affect me. It's the knock on effect
Speaker 2: of like, I know what I would choose for myself,
Speaker 2: but in choosing what I want for myself, I know
Speaker 2: it's going to negatively impact this person, this person, this person,
Speaker 2: this person, this person, And that's why it's difficult.
Speaker 1: Would you do it anyway? Do what do the thing
Speaker 1: that would affect the people?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I always choose myself. But it's like, there
Speaker 2: needs to be an appropriate process to do so in
Speaker 2: which you're not just like shitting on everyone for your
Speaker 2: own game. You're shitting on everyone in a thoughtful way
Speaker 2: for your own game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you considered how badly this is going to affect their.
Speaker 2: Life, and you've thought about it, and they know you've
Speaker 2: thought about it, and you're like, I've had to choose
Speaker 2: me though, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I just love when things that people do thoughtlessly, like
Speaker 1: flipping a coin, you can actually add more psychological analysis
Speaker 1: on top of it. And this one is a great one.
Speaker 1: It's very simple.
Speaker 2: So I love that one. You have me for a second.
Speaker 1: I know this is why you don't trust me. We
Speaker 1: need to gain some trust in my intellectual abilities because
Speaker 1: they're being undermined. But yeah, flip a coin and we'll
Speaker 1: decide who is going to do the outro of this.
Speaker 2: Ready, Do we have coins?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a coin on on Like, do you
Speaker 1: know what?
Speaker 2: I have this distinct memory while frim is getting a
Speaker 2: coin of knowing exactly who was walking in my house
Speaker 2: at any given time because of the way their keys
Speaker 2: with jangle, so my mum had extra jangly keys. My
Speaker 2: brother would like often clear his throat. My other brother
Speaker 2: would speak as he entered a room.
Speaker 1: Now our producer Brookwood fart or Burt Leafbrooklow, I've been ducks.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I'd ever become like a jangly key person.
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you need more than one
Speaker 2: key for?
Speaker 1: I wish you could say flex's keys right now, they're
Speaker 1: literally bigger than her head.
Speaker 2: Literally do you have a like a.
Speaker 1: Thing that tells you if they're away from you?
Speaker 2: No, I should get an air tag because when I
Speaker 2: have my key, now quick caviar. I've got my office
Speaker 2: swipe card. I have my safety what do you call it?
Speaker 2: Like a safety key chain, so like if I open it,
Speaker 2: it makes this really loud beeping noise when he creep
Speaker 2: will stay away from me. It's always also got a
Speaker 2: light on it. Then I have keys for my office,
Speaker 2: so like there's a swipe card and then a key.
Speaker 2: Then I have like the house keys, the garage keys,
Speaker 2: the car keys, my bike keys, my bnner room keys,
Speaker 2: the other office key, gym's wipe it's too much and
Speaker 2: then attached to it I have my cardholder because to me,
Speaker 2: I want all the important things in one place.
Speaker 1: That's very risky behavior.
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