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Speaker 1: Just before we head into today's episode, we'd like to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge and pay respect to Australia's Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Speaker 1: Islander peoples. They're the traditional custodians of the lands, the

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Speaker 1: for sharing and for caring for the land on which

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Speaker 1: we are able to learn. We pay respects to elders

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Speaker 1: past and present, and we share our friendship and our kindness.

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Speaker 2: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 3: for millennials who want financial freedom. Welcome back to our

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Speaker 3: International Women's Week celebration. We're spending our week talking to

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Speaker 3: women who have a wealth of insight and deep perspective

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Speaker 3: on this year's theme, which is breaking the Bias Jess.

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Speaker 1: We have been beyond excited to have these deeper conversations

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Speaker 1: instead of our regular scheduled episodes that really touch on

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Speaker 1: the values of our She's on the Money community, because

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Speaker 1: She's on the Money community isn't unique just because we

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Speaker 1: talk about money. It's really special because we openly share

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Speaker 1: our stories and our vulnerabilities, We share our hopes, we

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Speaker 1: share our dreams and we love that our community are

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Speaker 1: just as open as we are.

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Speaker 4: So from my perspective, I would say that we always

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Speaker 4: have each other's.

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Speaker 3: Backs, absolutely, and we're so thrilled to be joined today

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Speaker 3: by women who is absolutely acknowledging vulnerability, facing fears and

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Speaker 3: smashing it along the way. We have model and body

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Speaker 3: positive advocate Jess Quinn. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks for having me. What an honor.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I am genuinely so excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: We've obviously had a couple of chats historically and when

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Speaker 1: we were talking about or when we're going through the

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Speaker 1: brainstorming session of like who are we going to bring

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Speaker 1: to our community this week? You were friend of mine

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Speaker 1: for me and I was just sitting in the room

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Jess Quinn, we have to get

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Speaker 1: her on the show. I am obsessed. So welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. This is mainly for me.

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Speaker 5: I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 6: I'm very honored to be here, especially on International Woman's Week.

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Speaker 1: As you say, we're reshaping it. We've just decided to

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Speaker 1: do whatever we would like. Love that before we get

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Speaker 1: into our questions, I have a whole heap of questions

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Speaker 1: that we have written down that we would love to

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Speaker 1: ask you about your illness and your childhood, and then

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Speaker 1: about your mindset and determination. But before we get there,

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Speaker 1: you and I were having a conversation before we started

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Speaker 1: the podcast off air, and I asked, how comfortable are

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Speaker 1: you with the term differently abled, disabled or disabled? And

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Speaker 1: how should I be referring to that? And our producer

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Speaker 1: Anna Lisa, who is just hanging out off screen or

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Speaker 1: off air at the moment, said this would be a

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Speaker 1: really good conversation to be having on the show. So, Jess,

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Speaker 1: can you actually talk us through that conversation that we

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Speaker 1: just had, because it was genuinely enlightening for us to

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Speaker 1: I guess hear from you exactly how you like to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, And the first thing I would say

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Speaker 6: is thank you for asking. I think that's the best

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Speaker 6: I think that's the best thing we can do, is

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Speaker 6: just ask. And I think for a lot of people

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Speaker 6: I don't really know why, as we discussed off air,

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Speaker 5: So for me, I don't personally have a preference.

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Speaker 6: I often say differently able to myself, but that's just

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Speaker 6: because I'm in a I guess a bigger conversation around

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Speaker 5: Or what it's like to be hard of hearing.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's so many different layers of disabilities, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically like someone saying, Hey, yes, you're blonde,

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Speaker 4: It's so funny, isn't Jess.

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about it, what do you think is

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Speaker 6: The world has been built with them in mind, and

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Speaker 6: But I think the mission that I'm on is just

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Speaker 1: And Jess for those in the She's on the Money

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Speaker 1: community that are listening along and going, look this Jess

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Speaker 1: girl sounds incredible, But I haven't met her before.

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Speaker 4: Why is differently able to apply to you?

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Speaker 6: Osteosarcoma, and I went through about nine months of chemotherapy

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Speaker 7: I would recommend the listener's Google because it's really hard

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Speaker 1: You can absolutely go on Jess's Instagram as well. You

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Speaker 5: It's amazing. I often think, I'm like, I would love

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Speaker 6: The wall in the conversation when some doctors and surgeons

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Speaker 5: To give this a go, Like how does that even happen?

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Speaker 6: But yeah, so I'm an amputee and I've now been

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Speaker 5: A bit of both.

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Speaker 6: I definitely went through a huge phase of mourning and

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Speaker 5: Just in me. Whereas I'm not going to say I've

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Speaker 6: And that's kind of how I've looked at life, I guess,

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Speaker 3: Do, one hundred percent. And I feel like people like you,

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Speaker 3: I think there's so much power in publicly sharing that

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Speaker 4: At what point did you realize?

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Speaker 3: I guess that you had the power to make that

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Speaker 3: I have no doubt that there are many little girls

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Speaker 3: absolutely needs to continue to shift. Did you set out

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Speaker 6: But in saying that and without sounding to woo woo,

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Speaker 6: But definitely I didn't imagine ever becoming what it has become.

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Speaker 1: I guess, my friend at that does not sound woo

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Speaker 1: because that's where I get my joy from. How did

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Speaker 1: It's not something that you know a lot of people

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Speaker 6: I think because I fell into the space in a

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Speaker 9: I just have the confidence to kind of just yell

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Speaker 6: And I guess there is a whole other conversation we

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Speaker 5: And you know, as a kid.

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Speaker 6: Just look at this and really glorifying the space, which, yes,

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Speaker 5: Me will be like, no, you're not. But I don't

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Speaker 6: Things outside of my leg and those experiences. You know,

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Speaker 6: this today. It's it's also MySpace, and I get to

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Speaker 6: set those boundaries, which is really important, but when you

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Speaker 6: really want to keep advocating, it's really hard to stop.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I had a situation last night where

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Speaker 6: I spoke out about something that is really important to

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Speaker 6: me and ninety five percent of the people, actually ninety

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Speaker 6: nine percent of the people came back in a really

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Speaker 6: positive manner except for one. And that one caused me

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Speaker 6: so much anxiety and made me question everything that I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: Which is ridiculous because we all know not to worry

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Speaker 5: about the one. There's always one.

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Speaker 1: But so easy to tell a friend, right, Like if

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Speaker 1: you and I had this conversation, and I'm very very similar.

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Speaker 1: I struggle a lot with the burden that visibility gives us.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you've got it completely different to me,

458
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Speaker 1: but in this influencer space, like I never set out

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Speaker 1: to be an influencer, and it can be really heavy

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Speaker 1: when people trust you, and I get that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful to have that level of trust, especially with

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Speaker 1: my community, but that means they often open up in

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Speaker 1: a way that you wouldn't usually to someone online. And

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Speaker 1: you know, for me, especially on TikTok, where people are

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Speaker 1: so nasty, they are nasty pasties and it is not fun.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy to say to a friend, Oh, you

467
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Speaker 1: just don't care about the haters, But then lady, you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, are they right? Like they're crazy, but

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Speaker 1: are they right? And it's it's awful, Like it's an

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Speaker 1: awful feeling to have where one person, even though you're

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Speaker 1: saying ninety nine others, was so positive and so supportive.

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Speaker 1: It's funny how even one small comment can knock you

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Speaker 1: off your perch completely totally.

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Speaker 5: And I related that so much.

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Speaker 6: And if I relate to what you're saying about TikTok,

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Speaker 6: because I knew on that and I have never received

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Speaker 6: so many discusting comments in my life. And I think,

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Speaker 6: especially being someone in a different body, people just think

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Speaker 6: they can comment.

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Speaker 5: As much as they like on that.

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Speaker 6: But I also think with the social media conversation, and

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Speaker 6: it's something that I used to talk about in the

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Speaker 6: way to encourage others to not get.

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Speaker 5: Caught up in it.

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Speaker 6: But something I've realized that influences or my experience I

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Speaker 6: have gotten caught up in is the is the instant gratification.

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Speaker 6: Because you know, I'm telling my story and let's put

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Speaker 6: two posts next to each other, and.

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Speaker 8: One talking about my lifestyle and one talking about my leg.

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Speaker 8: The one about my leg does the times better? And

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Speaker 8: so therefore, how do I not attach my worth to

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Speaker 8: my story so deeply when I'm getting that validation. And

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Speaker 8: that's something that I'm working through on my own, because

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Speaker 8: you know, instant gratification.

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Speaker 6: Is something that I try to speak about in a

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Speaker 6: way that we shouldn't get caught up in. But when

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Speaker 6: it's your job and you know your KPI, if you like,

498
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Speaker 6: is your story and it's something so raw about yourself,

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Speaker 6: how do you then detach yourself from that being the

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Speaker 6: only part of your identity. And that's something that I

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Speaker 6: think is also really important in the social media space.

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Speaker 1: And I find that so interesting more on a personal

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Speaker 1: level because I obviously have discovered you because of your advocacy,

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Speaker 1: but I now follow you because of your personality. Like

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Speaker 1: to me, we sat down as a team and we're

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Speaker 1: having this conversation about you know, diversity and bringing diverse

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Speaker 1: people to the table and people who are advocating, and

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Speaker 1: you came up, but you only came up after we

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Speaker 1: were talking about advocates. I'm like, oh, Jess as an advocate,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh my God, sh'd be perfect because.

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Speaker 4: It was isn't the first thing I thought of.

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Speaker 1: But I can see how if people aren't as involved

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Speaker 1: in your personal life and they're may be just really

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Speaker 1: pervy and don't understand being differently abled and don't understand

515
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Speaker 1: how that could work. How I guess the draw card

516
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Speaker 1: is very different to who you are as a person.

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Speaker 1: And to me, like the important part is who you

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Speaker 1: are as a person, but that's not always what people view.

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Speaker 5: Totally undred percent.

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Speaker 7: And I think especially when I'm trying to keep my

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Speaker 7: private life reasonably separate, you know, if I share everything

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Speaker 7: on social media, there'd be parts of my life that

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Speaker 7: other people link with, whether it's the effect that I

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Speaker 7: like skincare or whatever it might be, you know, Whereas

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Speaker 7: because I just share my advocacy, it's hard to not

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Speaker 7: let that become the whole part of my identity.

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Speaker 1: Jess, I am equally as obsessed with skincare, but it

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Speaker 1: turns out that's not what everybody wants to see on

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Speaker 1: social media. So let's go to a break, because we

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Speaker 1: have a number of questions for you about the beauty

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Speaker 1: industry and bias and unconscious bias and how that impacts you.

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Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. We will be right back.

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Speaker 3: And we're back and talking to Jess Quinn, who is

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Speaker 3: a model, an author, body positivity advocate, all around outstanding gal.

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Speaker 3: But we were chatting just before about how social media

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Speaker 3: people can be really mean and they forget that there's

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Speaker 3: a person sitting behind that screen reading their comments. And

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Speaker 3: I think as a woman, there are certain standards that

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Speaker 3: we are held to, particularly when it comes to beauty

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Speaker 3: or you know, what the ideal woman looks like, that

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Speaker 3: have existed for so long, and now we're in a

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Speaker 3: place where people like you are really working to break

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Speaker 3: that bias and show that beauty comes in all different

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Speaker 3: shapes and different sizes. But let's talk about difference and

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Speaker 3: otherness in this industry. Because you're saying you love skincare,

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Speaker 3: and you know the influencer the industry really leans into

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Speaker 3: that side of things. What has your experience been like

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Speaker 3: in that space? Have people and brands and businesses always

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Speaker 3: been really open and accepting to you? Is that something

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Speaker 3: that you really had to carve away at I've.

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Speaker 6: Been really lucky to be really ecc in this space,

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Speaker 6: and why that is, I'm not sure, but I'm very

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Speaker 6: grateful for that, I think. You know, I also live

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Speaker 6: in New Zealand, which is a lot smaller. Therefore, you know,

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Speaker 6: there is not as many people in this space. So

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Speaker 6: I think that has been, I guess, an advantage that

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Speaker 6: I can't ignore, but I think it's definitely.

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Speaker 5: Been a challenge.

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Speaker 7: You know, I have a modeling agency in America that

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Speaker 7: I clearly haven't worked with friend all years because you

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Speaker 7: know starting And I also have one in Australia, same reason,

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Speaker 7: haven't worked with them for a while. But it has

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Speaker 7: been interesting to navigate those different markets, and that's more

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Speaker 7: probably on a modeling scale rather than an influencer scale.

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Speaker 7: But you know, in terms of social media and brand

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Speaker 7: deals and that kind of stuff, I have been really

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Speaker 7: lucky in that space. But I have to acknowledge that

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Speaker 7: I have come in at a time where brands are

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Speaker 7: forcing themselves to be diverse. Therefore it is easier to

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Speaker 7: get work when they need that representation. I guess, so

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Speaker 7: that has been great. But at the same time, I

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Speaker 7: am very good at seeing the difference between brands who

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Speaker 7: are doing it to tick a box and brands who

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Speaker 7: are doing it because they genuinely intend to make a

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Speaker 7: change and to help and to represent. And tokenism is

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Speaker 7: something that I have experienced.

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask that I was about to

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Speaker 1: be like, Okay, so totally and that's such a great thing,

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Speaker 1: and I adore seeing so much diversity, but a mile off,

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Speaker 1: just as a consumer, I can see it as being

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Speaker 1: tokenistics sometimes as the model, like how are you dealing

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Speaker 1: with that? How are you taking that on board? Because

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Speaker 1: I would be genuinely offended if someone was like, we

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Speaker 1: just needed.

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Speaker 4: A financial advisor, Like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Like, I can't imagine if it was something even more

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Speaker 1: personal about me.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you turn up to a photo shot

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Speaker 10: or I've done a few runway shows and you know,

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Speaker 10: there is a very thin, white blonde model lineup and

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Speaker 10: then you who is.

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Speaker 5: An amputee and you're like, okay, you know.

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Speaker 7: I'm clearly standing out here, which you know, and people

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Speaker 7: think I would be really offended. And I've had this

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Speaker 7: conversation around tokenism a bit, and to be honest, I

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Speaker 7: think a step forward is a step forward, regardless of

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Speaker 7: how far forward. And I think, you know, I could

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Speaker 7: do that runway show and there is someone in the audience.

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Speaker 7: There could be one person or one young person watching

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Speaker 7: that who sees me and feels better about themselves.

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Speaker 6: So, yes, it would be better if there was fifty

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Speaker 6: percent or sixty percent of.

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Speaker 5: Models who were diverse in some kind of way.

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Speaker 6: But at least there's one, you know, And so I

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Speaker 6: think we have to as much as yes, there are

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Speaker 6: brands out there doing it a lot better, we have

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Speaker 6: to also recognize the brands that are trying. And even

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Speaker 6: if it's a tich box, which I don't agree with that,

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Speaker 6: even if there's a tech box, we have to see

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Speaker 6: it from the young person looking at that, going oh wow,

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Speaker 6: there's different bodies out there, even if they're only seeing

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Speaker 6: one different body.

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Speaker 5: And that's something that I think is really important.

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Speaker 10: I know.

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Speaker 7: I spoke up recently Victoria's Secret Models Victoria Secrets who

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Speaker 7: as a brand, I have spoken very politiciar.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not afraid to no, keep that up, my friend.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, I don't agree with pretty much everything that

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Speaker 7: they do, but they are trying to rebrand and they've

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Speaker 7: recently just announced a model with down syndrome, and I

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Speaker 7: spoke up and shared it saying this is a really

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Speaker 7: great step forward. This is awesome, and I had a

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Speaker 7: lot of comments saying this just doesn't seem right, this

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Speaker 7: seems tokenistic, This seems you know, they've already done their harm,

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Speaker 7: they can't.

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Speaker 5: Move forward, blah blah blah blah. And I agree with that.

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Speaker 6: But at the same time, there is young people with

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Speaker 6: Down syndrome out there who will look at this young

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Speaker 6: woman in a position that wouldn't have been painted in

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Speaker 6: that like many years ago, and to me, that's a

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Speaker 6: big achievement. And we have to create space for these

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Speaker 6: brands to take that step forward instead of shutting them down.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you're not deaverse enough. Oh now you're not doing

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Speaker 5: this enough. Now you're not doing that, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think we need to create the space for it

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Speaker 6: to actually just be okay, to take even half a

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Speaker 6: step forward, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and small steps, they're still steps, right, And it's

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Speaker 1: such a beautiful mindset that you have that you're like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to push their tokenism to

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Speaker 1: the side because I'm still having an impact, even if

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Speaker 1: it's just one person that sees a photo a year later, like,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have been impacted by the work that

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. And I just think that not many people

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Speaker 1: would see things the way that you do. They might

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Speaker 1: be offended that they're the token I guess ring in,

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Speaker 1: but that's not how you're seeing it at all, And

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Speaker 1: I just have so much respect for that, especially in

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Speaker 1: a world where you know, we're seeing so many different

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Speaker 1: brands being thrown under the bus on a weekly basis

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Speaker 1: for not being diverse, because you know that if they

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Speaker 1: then start to be diverse and start to take those

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Speaker 1: small steps and start to include more diverse models in

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Speaker 1: their marketing, or you know, expand their size range or

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Speaker 1: do something that is good for the greater good, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be slammed as tokenistic anyway, because the first

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Speaker 1: step is always the step that is.

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Speaker 4: Most harshly criticized.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I really really respect the way that you're

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Speaker 1: viewing that, because you know it could go one of

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Speaker 1: two ways, right.

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Speaker 5: Oh for sure, for sure, Yeah, I fully agree.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Victoria's Secret is also a really great

664
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Speaker 3: example of a brand that did absolutely the bare minimum, right, Like,

665
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Speaker 3: they built up this fantasy woman who, as you said,

666
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: they all looked the same, they were all tall, they

667
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Speaker 3: were all really skinny, they were all this quote unquote

668
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: idealistic woman. And the reason that brand really toppled over

669
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Speaker 3: was because at some point everyone just turned around and went, actually,

670
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Speaker 3: that's not good enough, And I want to talk about

671
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Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, you really spearheaded a movement that demanded

672
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Speaker 3: that magazines disclose retouching, right, because that really contributed to

673
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Speaker 3: that idealistic person where women were aspiring to look like

674
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Speaker 3: someone who didn't even look like that themselves.

675
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Speaker 4: They don't even exist.

676
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, it's so unattainable and it's just setting us

677
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: up to fail, which is really really horrific. I wanted

678
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Speaker 3: to talk about what the response was like when you

679
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: first started opening up that discussion and how far along

680
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Speaker 3: that kind of got.

681
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's still something I'm really deep in and really

682
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 6: passionate about and share all the time because I keep thinking, Okay,

683
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 6: I'm going to stop talking about this because I feel

684
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 6: like we've made our change, and I see things and

685
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, we are no.

686
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: Way, never even close.

687
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Speaker 5: And you know, I at.

688
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Speaker 6: The beginning I had I'm sorry, I still have a

689
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 6: really great response. It has been, for the most part,

690
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 6: and I have to look at the most part, a

691
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: really great response, but it definitely bought up some really

692
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 6: interesting conversations, especially when I first started speaking really publicly

693
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: about it, and I did a lot of media and

694
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 6: the hit back I got and not bad hit back,

695
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 6: but just you know, I'd be on a presentation, a

696
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 6: kind of TV news show, and you know, you'd have

697
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 6: the middle aged man presented being like, how is it

698
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 6: any different from the makeup you have on your face

699
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: right now? And I'm like, Okay, this is like a

700
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: really deep conversation that we.

701
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Speaker 4: Had to get eat.

702
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And there are so many layers to all of this,

703
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 6: and it's definitely been challenging. I'm working on a project

704
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: at the moment that will hopefully educate because then we

705
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 6: can create the change, because I think that's the issue

706
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 6: is we actually don't know the depth of what is

707
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Speaker 6: being caused and how it's impacting us and young people,

708
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Speaker 6: and I just I just don't think it's right that

709
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Speaker 6: we especially in photoships. You know, you see these really

710
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 6: diverse photowships get there a photoshops, so it's kind of

711
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: like you can be curvy, but wait, that curves a

712
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 6: bit much, and this curves a bit much. Or you know,

713
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Speaker 6: when I got photoshopped, it was they removed half of

714
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Speaker 6: my moles. I had quite a few moles, and it

715
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Speaker 6: was like you can have some of your moles, but

716
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Speaker 6: actually the amount that you have was just like a

717
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 6: bit too much relp.

718
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Speaker 1: Just like for the audacity to take that initiative to

719
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Speaker 1: do that, like, I feel awkward. I was out the

720
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Speaker 1: other night for a drink with one of our team

721
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Speaker 1: members on a Friday night. We had a really good

722
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Speaker 1: week at work, Malay, let's go get a drink, and

723
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Speaker 1: I wanted to change the lighting on the picture.

724
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Speaker 4: And I held my phone in front of her and

725
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Speaker 4: I was.

726
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Speaker 1: Like, all right, Rache, is that alright if I just

727
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: changed the lighting? And she's like, yeah, that's fine. I

728
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: was like, I felt so uncomfortable. But the fact that

729
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: an entire agency just was like, do you know what,

730
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Speaker 1: We're just going to erase these parts of Jess that

731
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Speaker 1: make jest Yess. That to me, that's audacious and incredibly rude.

732
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Speaker 1: But the fact they didn't even ask for permission, what

733
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Speaker 1: I know.

734
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Speaker 7: I've spoken to other models about it before as well,

735
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Speaker 7: especially you know, because photoshop photoshop is it as a

736
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Speaker 7: brown but image retouching happens post off, but it actually

737
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Speaker 7: also happens during the ship.

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Speaker 5: You know, they're wearing maybe.

739
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Speaker 6: A size large T shirt when they maybe fit as

740
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Speaker 6: small and then they pull it in in different ways

741
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Speaker 6: to get the fit right. So often wear buying clothes

742
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Speaker 6: that actually don't fit like how it fits on the model.

743
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I read the.

744
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Speaker 6: Thing once about Victoria Secret and they would put push

745
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 6: up bras on the models underneath the bikinis and then

746
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 6: remove the push up bra in photoshop so that it

747
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 6: looks like they have these really kerky boobs like Graveny

748
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Speaker 6: does not trink My birds.

749
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Speaker 4: Like that neither.

750
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Speaker 3: How are they so big but still so perky?

751
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Speaker 4: Literally totally, I don't.

752
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Speaker 5: Know what they figured out that we don't know, but it's.

753
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Speaker 1: It's invisible bras.

754
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: Totally. It just goes really deep, I guess.

755
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Speaker 7: And so my conversation that I am still having is

756
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 7: a around education and be around disclosure. You know, do

757
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 7: what you want to your image as a brand, as

758
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 7: an influencer, whatever you want, but please disclose it, you know,

759
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 7: because there is young women out there who are comparing

760
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 7: themselves to that image and wondering why they're not good enough,

761
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 7: comparing themselves to a body that actually.

762
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Speaker 5: Doesn't exist, which is just so detrimental.

763
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Speaker 6: And I don't know if people understand the direct correlation

764
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Speaker 6: that it's having with mental health issues and so many

765
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Speaker 6: things that young people are going through at the moment,

766
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Speaker 6: and I just don't know it's something that we can stop,

767
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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's loop this conversation background to the purpose

769
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Speaker 1: we've asked you to be here today for, and that's

770
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Speaker 1: International Women's Day and celebrating that, celebrating you and celebrating

771
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Speaker 1: the impact that people are having in their space, and

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Speaker 1: you know, even just how far women have come, like

773
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Speaker 1: it blows my mind even talking to people like my

774
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: mum who weren't afforded the same opportunities that I am today,

775
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Speaker 1: and you know the fact that she says things like oh,

776
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: I would have embraced that with open arms, like oh,

777
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: if that opportunity had existed for me, I would have

778
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: smashed it out of the park. And it just breaks

779
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Speaker 1: my heart that she wasn't afforded these things, and in

780
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, we are that we've still got so

781
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Speaker 1: far to go. So I would love to know from

782
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Speaker 1: your perspective, what does equality look like.

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Speaker 6: This is such a big question because it is such

784
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 6: an important question, and I do think.

785
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 7: Equality is allowing opportunity for people to live their truth

786
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Speaker 7: and to live their truth without judgment, and to live

787
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Speaker 7: their truth in a world where it is safe for

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Speaker 7: them to do so.

789
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Speaker 6: And I think for many of us who and I'm

790
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Speaker 6: going to include myself in this, who have lived a

791
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 6: really privileged life, don't actually know the depth of what

792
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: that means, because there are so many people out there

793
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Speaker 6: who experienced things, and many women in different cultures that

794
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Speaker 6: experience things that we will never even understand.

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Speaker 5: And so I think we often think we've got into

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Speaker 5: a place where.

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Speaker 6: And yes, I agree, we've made so many steps forward,

798
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Speaker 6: but I think we think we're maybe further along than

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Speaker 6: we are because of our own personal experiences and the

800
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Speaker 6: reason I mean, I'm considered a minority because I live

801
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Speaker 6: in a differently able or disabled body. But my disabled

802
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: body has pretty much never stopped me getting any form

803
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 6: of opportunity. It's never really hugely impacted my friendship groups,

804
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 6: it's never hugely impacted my career or my dating life

805
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 6: or anything like that. And there are so many people

806
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 6: out there who don't have that experience, And until all

807
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 6: of those people feel like their opportunities are the same,

808
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 6: then I don't think we've reached that sense of equality.

809
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 6: And I think it's really hard because I do think

810
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 6: it looks really different for a lot of people. Therefore,

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Speaker 6: I don't believe there's one one easy answer, one easy outcome.

812
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 6: But I think we have come such a long way

813
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 6: and as you say, actually such a short space of time,

814
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Speaker 6: which gives me so much hope that we can continue

815
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 6: to create those opportunities as long as we keep speaking

816
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 6: and having these really open conversations about people or two

817
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 6: people with different loved experience from.

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Speaker 4: Us, Jess, I couldn't agree more.

819
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Speaker 1: And to link this to somebody else who works in

820
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: the same advocacy space as you do by not saying

821
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: you would be friends just because you're in the same

822
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: advocacy space, although he does sound like a pretty sick

823
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: human that I would like to know even better. But

824
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: in his incredible speech after being named Australian of the Year,

825
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: Dylan Orcott actually spoke about the die statistics of underemployment

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Speaker 1: of people with different abilities and the ingrained ableism in

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Speaker 1: the workforce. Do you have a view on that and

828
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Speaker 1: what can be done by businesses to be even more inclusive?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I agree. I would love to be best

830
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Speaker 5: friends with Dylan.

831
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Speaker 7: We have made a few conversations I love everything that

832
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Speaker 7: he advocates for and stands for.

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 5: I think it's a really important conversation.

834
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Speaker 6: And again, it's something that I haven't experienced too much

835
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Speaker 6: in my life because.

836
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Speaker 5: I really haven't been overly huld back by my disability.

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Speaker 7: And that's something that I am really in a minority

838
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 7: for because a lot of people living in disabled bodies

839
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 7: or differently abled bodies.

840
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Speaker 5: Do experience it a lot. And I think the best

841
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Speaker 5: thing we.

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Speaker 6: Can do, and it probably wraps in with what you

843
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 6: were saying at the start around the open dialogue we

844
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 6: had around language is to be really inclusive in that

845
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Speaker 6: and something I speak a lot about is diversity and inclusion,

846
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 6: but in the sense that you can't have one without

847
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Speaker 6: the other. You know, we can be as diverse as possible.

848
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Speaker 6: We can hire people of the different ethnicities, of different abilities,

849
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Speaker 6: whatever it might be. We can hire people different from us.

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Speaker 6: But if we aren't including them in a way that

851
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Speaker 6: we're actually giving them equal amounts of opportunities, that we're

852
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 6: actually giving them a voice at the table, then are

853
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 6: we really being diverse or are we just checking a box?

854
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: And that's something I feel really passionately about.

855
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 6: Because I would argue that many businesses and many people

856
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 6: these days are just checking the box because they aren't

857
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Speaker 6: actually being inclusive. And I honestly think inclusivity can look

858
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 6: small as having a conversation with someone who is different

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00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 6: from you and going out for lunch with them and

860
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Speaker 6: you in your lunch break at work. You know, it

861
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 6: doesn't have to be these huge, big players, but it's

862
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 6: it's seeing each other as humans, regardless of the way

863
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 6: we differ. And I think that that is really important

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Speaker 6: because there are workplaces out there who I just don't

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Speaker 6: think are making it as welcoming as it should be

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00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 6: and making it as accommodating as it should be. You know,

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Speaker 6: there's there's different cultures who might have different dress codes,

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00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 6: and they need to create that really safe space for

869
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 6: people to be able to show up as they are.

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Speaker 6: Because when you can show up exactly as you are,

871
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 6: you can put your best foot forward, you can put

872
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 6: your best work forward, you can create your best relationships,

873
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 6: Whereas if you're being held back or not feeling like

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00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 6: you can truly show up as you, then you don't

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Speaker 6: have those opportunities to do that. And yeah, that's something

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Speaker 6: I strongly believe. I work for myself, so I haven't

877
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 6: experienced it hugely. My boss being myself, is really great

878
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 6: and very accommodating.

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Speaker 1: What's the dress code at your workplace, Laud?

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Speaker 4: Currently I have in track fans and a hoodies, so

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Speaker 4: very nice. That's usually in my dress code.

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Speaker 5: Many brothers around here.

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Speaker 1: No, since COVID, I don't even know what that word

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Speaker 1: is anymore, Jess. I feel like this has been such

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Speaker 1: a beautiful chat that a lot of our community are

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Speaker 1: going to get a lot out of. So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. But before we go, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned before that right now is a little bit tough

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Speaker 1: on social media for you. You're you know, feeling it

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Speaker 1: a little bit harder, a little bit heavier than you

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Speaker 1: have historically. And I think a really nice place to

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Speaker 1: leave it would be a question, and that question is

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Speaker 1: what would you say to people who are going through

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Speaker 1: a similar period, whether that is work or life for

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Speaker 1: their relationship, where they've just got it a little bit

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Speaker 1: rough and they just feel like they aren't as bright

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Speaker 1: as they usually are.

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Speaker 5: I'd say, take time for you.

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Speaker 6: I think the best thing we can do is actually

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Speaker 6: just slow down, you know, I delete social media. I

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Speaker 6: sit on the couch sometimes like we live in a

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Speaker 6: world where it's hustle, hustle, hustle, but it's also okay

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Speaker 6: to not do that all the time. And yes, most

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Speaker 6: of us have to show up to ninety five. I

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Speaker 6: respect that, But trying to do those small things for

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Speaker 6: you that make you feel like you again, I think

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Speaker 6: are really important and not feeling like you have to

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Speaker 6: be a voice and advocate for everything, because there is

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Speaker 6: a lot going on in the world at the moment

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Speaker 6: and it can be really hard to handle that when

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Speaker 6: we haven't actually fully wrapped our head around around what's

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Speaker 6: going on. So definitely taking that time and showing up

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Speaker 6: for yourself is I think the most important thing we

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Speaker 6: can do. And knowing that it will get better, because

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Speaker 6: you know, I have been in places in my life

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Speaker 6: where I couldn't see a light at the end of

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Speaker 6: the tunnel. In fact, I didn't actually want to be

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Speaker 6: in that tunnel anymore, but I knew that I could

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Speaker 6: hold on because I knew there was a life out

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Speaker 6: there for me that was just amazing. And I think,

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Speaker 6: no matter what place you're in right now, just holding

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Speaker 6: on to the hope that things will get better because

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Speaker 6: they always do it, or at the very least you

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Speaker 6: get stronger.

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Speaker 1: I love that so much, and thank you for sharing

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Speaker 1: that with our community, because not everyone is on the

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Speaker 1: same journey at the same time. But to wrap this

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Speaker 1: up completely, yes, coming back round to why you're here,

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Speaker 1: it's International Women's Day, or according to She's on the Money,

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Speaker 1: it's International Women's Week.

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Speaker 4: How are you celebrating?

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Speaker 7: I love, I love the International Woman's Week, and that's

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Speaker 7: one of the things I'm going to do to celebrate.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to celebrate it for a.

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Speaker 7: Whole week, but I'm going to connect with other people

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Speaker 7: who have stories that are different from mine and different

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Speaker 7: lived experiences, and use this week as a time to

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Speaker 7: remind myself of all of the different humans that create

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Speaker 7: our world, because I think that's one of the most

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Speaker 7: important things we can do to remind each other that

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Speaker 7: we're all.

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Speaker 3: Human thousand percent. And if people want to learn more

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Speaker 3: about your journey and about your story, they can find

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Speaker 3: you on Instagram, on TikTok. We'll link it all down below.

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Speaker 3: You also have your book Still Standing What I've Learned

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Speaker 3: from A Life Lived Differently, which is such a great read.

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Speaker 3: I personally have read it and I so thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: I recommend it to everybody listening. Definitely check that out,

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Speaker 3: be kind online, lift up those voices, I think, and

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Speaker 3: just really encourage that conversation around beauty, around visits, ability,

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Speaker 3: around accessibility, all of those things.

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