Speaker 1: Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 2: I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and Happy Tuesday. Life is.
Speaker 2: It is a good week to be alive.
Speaker 1: It is a good week. Do you know what a
Speaker 1: lot is happening? Melbourne? You're about to join us in
Speaker 1: freedom And I honestly cannot tell you how friggin' happy
Speaker 1: I am that New South Wales is out of lockdown.
Speaker 1: That's Melbourne's about to be out of lockdown and join us.
Speaker 1: I know that there were so many people on social
Speaker 1: media this week who've just been celebrating that's happening on Thursday.
Speaker 1: We have the Bachelorette starting on Wednesday, which also means, guys,
Speaker 1: we may or may not, but I think it's more
Speaker 1: may undecided. No, no, no, we've decided made Jay is
Speaker 1: making a comeback and we will be doing some bachelorette. Ah.
Speaker 2: Okay, how long has Matt been standing at the door
Speaker 2: waiting for that moment?
Speaker 1: You just scared the absolute shoot out of me just then.
Speaker 2: I haven't brushed my teeth, so very conking me.
Speaker 1: This is real close. We're sharing a microphone.
Speaker 2: Matt lucky that none of the listeners can actually smell
Speaker 2: your breath. But thanks for letting Australia know that you
Speaker 2: haven't brush your teeth. Well, I'm more so worried about
Speaker 2: Laura because we're sharing the one mike here. But yeah,
Speaker 2: very excited to come back.
Speaker 3: Can't wait.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. How long were you waiting at
Speaker 2: the door for us to mention that so you could
Speaker 2: burst in and have your moment. I've been there for
Speaker 2: an hour and a half. My legs are cramping. I
Speaker 2: had to go to the bathroom, but it was worth it.
Speaker 2: I had to wet my pants.
Speaker 1: There's a puddle on the floor outside. Okay, so look
Speaker 1: that is happening. That Chohan cut is coming on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Brit is out of quarantine and very soon we'll be
Speaker 1: reunited in real life. It's just a good week, guys.
Speaker 2: It's like we're so close, but we're so fast. I
Speaker 2: came out of quarantine last week. As you know, I
Speaker 2: quarantined in Adelaide. Well actually maybe some of you don't know,
Speaker 2: but I quarantined in Adelaide and that was just because
Speaker 2: that was the only flight I could get back. The
Speaker 2: only place in Australia that would take me was Adelaide,
Speaker 2: So I was like, wherever, I will go anywhere. But
Speaker 2: what it means is because I was in Adelaide, which
Speaker 2: isn't classified as a hotspot, I was able to fly
Speaker 2: to Queensland and see my family. So if I went
Speaker 2: back to New South Wales to see you immediately, Laura,
Speaker 2: which I wanted to do, I wouldn't have been able
Speaker 2: to see the fam. So I just like, I just
Speaker 2: grabbed the opportunity why it was there, and I flew
Speaker 2: straight up to see my sister Sherry, my brother Mitch.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him in a year, so that was
Speaker 2: quite nice. And I'll be back in just a few
Speaker 2: days and then we'll be doing this face to face
Speaker 2: after what feels like forever.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could just sit in another room and we
Speaker 1: can still record over zoom. I've gotten so used to
Speaker 1: it now. Don't know what it's going to be like
Speaker 1: to see you in real life and touch you. I'll
Speaker 1: have like first date, Jitters.
Speaker 2: We probably won't be we probably won't be able to talk.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be like what do we do now? What
Speaker 2: do we do in real life?
Speaker 1: Well, also just on the whole, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything else feels like it's getting back to normal. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you. Yesterday, Matt and I we went for
Speaker 1: a walk down in Bondai and there were people outside
Speaker 1: doing salsa, dancing on the promenade. There were people with
Speaker 1: bongo drums. It was honestly just the happiest, the happiest
Speaker 1: I have ever seen Bonda. Everyone was celebrating. But we
Speaker 1: have still had to postpone the wedding because unfortunately with
Speaker 1: the Queensland and the borders being shut, Matt's family, Matt's mum,
Speaker 1: MAT's brothers and my dad, everybody is still in Queensland,
Speaker 1: so we didn't want to still have the wedding in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: When half your family can't come, the family can't be there.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I can't believe.
Speaker 2: You were supposed to be married in a few weeks.
Speaker 2: That is bonkers.
Speaker 1: So for all you life, that's gonna let you in
Speaker 1: on a little secret. We were supposed to be getting
Speaker 1: married on the eleventh of November. And it's crazy because
Speaker 1: now essentially we could get married, the wedding could go
Speaker 1: ahead in exactly the way that we wanted it to,
Speaker 1: except just our family wouldn't be there, so we've had
Speaker 1: to post.
Speaker 2: So not quite exactly the way you wanted to minor
Speaker 2: technicality with half of the family missing. It sucks from
Speaker 2: multiple reasons, like it sucks because you can't get married,
Speaker 2: but it sucks because it was a really good date.
Speaker 2: It was eleven eleven twenty one. Like Matt would never
Speaker 2: have forgotten that.
Speaker 1: He probably would still forget it. I mean, to be fair,
Speaker 1: neither of us are very good with dates. It's not
Speaker 1: a forte. I don't even know when our anniversary is.
Speaker 2: I mean you do, because it was on a national
Speaker 2: TV show and we still managed to forget.
Speaker 1: Well, now that we're talking about big news, there is
Speaker 1: also some other really positive and massive news that has
Speaker 1: happened in Australia, which Brittain I wanted to touch on today.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It's definitely more serious news, but it's something that I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys know if you've listened to the podcast for
Speaker 1: a while that speaking about domestic violence has been something
Speaker 1: that's been a reoccurring theme on the podcast. It's something
Speaker 1: that both Britta and I are really passionate about. We
Speaker 1: did a really important episode with Jess Hill recently. If
Speaker 1: you haven't listened to that, I'd recommend going back and
Speaker 1: listening to it. But Australia as of today has just
Speaker 1: brought out some huge changes, and that is that women
Speaker 1: who are fleeing domestic violence and who have been subjected
Speaker 1: to domestic violence in their household will be able and
Speaker 1: eligible to get a five thousand dollar payout from the
Speaker 1: government in order to help them to be able to
Speaker 1: leave and set up a new life.
Speaker 2: And we all know.
Speaker 1: That one of the biggest barriers for women leaving toxic
Speaker 1: and violent situations, especially in their family home, is that
Speaker 1: so many of them have been financially restricted and this
Speaker 1: will allow women to be able to make that next
Speaker 1: step and to be able to leave a perpetrator. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I read this in the news today and I just
Speaker 1: felt so happy that this has finally happened. I mean
Speaker 1: a long time coming, but I wanted to share that
Speaker 1: with you guys as well.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely huge and like you just said, Laura,
Speaker 2: we are so passionate about it, and I guess what
Speaker 2: is happening is is becoming more spoken about so people
Speaker 2: like podcasts like us Jess Hill, who is advocating for it.
Speaker 2: I feel like for a long time people didn't really
Speaker 2: know what understand what was happening in relationships with domestic vials,
Speaker 2: what women and children were going through. And I feel
Speaker 2: like the more we're speaking about it, the more we're
Speaker 2: making changes. Now this is a five thousand dollars one
Speaker 2: off payment and it is actually part of a one
Speaker 2: point one billion dollar women's safety package, so there's a
Speaker 2: lot more going on behind the scenes. Like I'm stoked
Speaker 2: for it, but I guess my little worry is that
Speaker 2: the five thousand dollars is broken into one thy five
Speaker 2: hundred in cash, and then the remainder of that money
Speaker 2: is things for food or payment for bonds and school fees,
Speaker 2: trying to help them get back on their feet with
Speaker 2: a house, like establish themselves, which is amazing, But my
Speaker 2: worry is when a woman leaves a situation in domestic violence,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the time they leave with nothing but
Speaker 2: the clothes on their back, a bag for their kids,
Speaker 2: and n is it like a small bag. They just
Speaker 2: leave they have nothing. So my worry is that as
Speaker 2: amazing as this is, fifteen hundred dollars of the cash,
Speaker 2: it's better than nothing, But we still have a long
Speaker 2: way to go in how we can support these women.
Speaker 2: So we're definitely moving in the right direction, but still
Speaker 2: some things that worry me.
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh, I absolutely agree. I don't think that
Speaker 1: this is this isn't a solution, and this isn't going
Speaker 1: to be here. Here's five thousand dollars. This will fix
Speaker 1: the problem by any means. But I think it's like
Speaker 1: having something, having some sort of security and financial security
Speaker 1: to know that if you do leave with just the
Speaker 1: clothes on your back, that there is some finances there
Speaker 1: that's going to get you through the first week or
Speaker 1: the second week. Just why you figure out your next move.
Speaker 2: Oh, this payment alone could be the difference with a
Speaker 2: woman feeling like she can leave and she can't leave,
Speaker 2: like this could be the decide.
Speaker 1: And I guess the other part of this is that
Speaker 1: it's so important to have services, it's so important to
Speaker 1: have support at the back end of domestic violence, But
Speaker 1: there also needs to be just as much money and
Speaker 1: just as much focus being put onto prevention and how
Speaker 1: do we educate young boys so that they're not continuing
Speaker 1: this same pattern behavior. The more that we have conversations
Speaker 1: about it, the more that people become aware of how
Speaker 1: prolific it is how many women will experience this in
Speaker 1: their lifetime, and so I mean, I guess it's just
Speaker 1: another step in the right direction. But Britt, you also
Speaker 1: have a recommendation for us for today's episode, and I
Speaker 1: know that this ties in quite nicely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually is, and this wasn't planned at all.
Speaker 2: I was always coming in with this recommendation. But speaking
Speaker 2: about how important it is for us to speak about
Speaker 2: these issues more often, I cannot recommend the Netflix series
Speaker 2: Made enough.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of you probably have watched
Speaker 2: it already. I binge watched it when I was in quarantine.
Speaker 2: I think maybe two days Max I watched it probably
Speaker 2: in the day. I put some stories up on my
Speaker 2: Instagram just saying how great the series was about halfway through,
Speaker 2: and I had a lot of people riding back saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: I've just started it. It's so amazing. I loved it,
Speaker 2: and I have since seen it trending. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of publications and a lot of people talking about it,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to add myself into that mix. I
Speaker 2: cannot recommend it enough. If you don't know what made
Speaker 2: it is about. It is based on a true story
Speaker 2: and it is just about this twenty three year old
Speaker 2: girl in America. Her name is Alex and the whole
Speaker 2: series is about her. She has a two year old
Speaker 2: daughter and she's trying to escape an abusive relationship. Now,
Speaker 2: the abusive relationship, it's emotional abuse and coercive control. There
Speaker 2: are aspects of violence within it, but it's more about
Speaker 2: him having really violent outbursts and punching holes in walls
Speaker 2: and pushing her a little bit like that. And it's
Speaker 2: about how the next step if she stayed in that
Speaker 2: relationship would be very, very serious physical domestic violence. Now,
Speaker 2: what it highlights is and the reason it is so
Speaker 2: powerful is it shows her struggle to escape and how
Speaker 2: fucking hard it is she leaves this relationship, and it
Speaker 2: is almost It highlights the poverty system in America and
Speaker 2: how hard it is for anybody to get back on
Speaker 2: their feet and live in a safe environment. It's about
Speaker 2: she goes around in circles trying to get payments for
Speaker 2: benefits to help, which is why it's so important we
Speaker 2: talk about this five thousand dollar payment. It's about her
Speaker 2: trying to get a job, but jobs won't employ her
Speaker 2: until she has a residential address. She's like, well, how
Speaker 2: do I get a residential address without a job. It's
Speaker 2: constantly highlighting. It has these little thing throughout it, where
Speaker 2: like every time she spends money, which is like two
Speaker 2: dollars on some petrol, she'll put like five dollars a
Speaker 2: petrol in a car and a little bank balance comes up,
Speaker 2: and it constantly shows how much money she has left,
Speaker 2: and every single day she gets down to like the
Speaker 2: twenty cents and she eventually gets a job as a
Speaker 2: cleaner and a maid. And it just shows the insidious
Speaker 2: nature of what happens in these relationships when you're trying
Speaker 2: to leave and how you try and get back on
Speaker 2: your feet, and nobody is speaking about it. No, there
Speaker 2: are no Netflix shows, no one has really coveted in
Speaker 2: this aspect before, and it's honestly mind boggling, and I
Speaker 2: do not understand how anyone in this situation is supposed
Speaker 2: to get back on their feet. And I honestly think everyone,
Speaker 2: every man, every woman, needs to watch this show. I
Speaker 2: think you can hear how passionate I am in my voice, Laura, like,
Speaker 2: please watch it. You will just be blown away.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, and it has come recommended,
Speaker 1: not just by you, but by every other media outlet
Speaker 1: recently that I've kind of tuned into. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that I saw, and Britt correct me if
Speaker 1: this is wrong, but kind of nothing big happens, as
Speaker 1: in like there's no prolific or cataclysmic storyline. It's just
Speaker 1: exploring the very normal. And when I say normal, I
Speaker 1: mean like the everyday struggles that someone who's trying to
Speaker 1: leave a coercive control relationship or a domestic violent situation.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when we think about domestic violent, we
Speaker 1: think it has to be violent, like actual physical violence.
Speaker 1: But from the conversations we had with Jess Hill, from
Speaker 1: the conversations that we've had with doctor Angela Ja, that's
Speaker 1: not where it starts. It's this small it's verbal abuse,
Speaker 1: it's the small put downs, It's the toxicity, and that's
Speaker 1: how it grows. And I think that the fact that
Speaker 1: this TV show has been created around the start of
Speaker 1: what that can look like and not necessarily on the
Speaker 1: big cataclysmic events that kind of can evolve from a
Speaker 1: toxic relationship adds a lot of power and adds a
Speaker 1: lot of weight for women who are in situations where
Speaker 1: they sit there and they go I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is considered domestic violence. I don't know if what
Speaker 1: I'm being subjected to or what I'm experiencing is actually DV,
Speaker 1: or whether I can make an excuse for it, or
Speaker 1: whether he's just very hyper emotional or he sometimes has
Speaker 1: outbursts but he's never actually hit me. I think there's
Speaker 1: a real gray area there for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and seeing it reflected back on a Netflix series makes
Speaker 1: that gray area and that ambiguity a lot less and
Speaker 1: a lot more black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what it does is and this is why
Speaker 2: it's so powerful. Like you just said, you're right, nothing
Speaker 2: big happens in terms of there's nothing explosive in every episode.
Speaker 2: It really is just a looking to somebody's reality, the
Speaker 2: day to day struggles. And even though I'm saying nothing
Speaker 2: big is happening, you're still hooked. It's still very gripping,
Speaker 2: it's still very raw. But what I loved the most is,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to talk about it. This isn't a spoiler,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to talk about some things. But what
Speaker 2: I love the most is it really highlights what goes
Speaker 2: on in these relationships in terms of women. Going back
Speaker 2: to domestic violence, relationships because we all know it takes
Speaker 2: well maybe we don't all know, but it does take
Speaker 2: women up to seven times to leave a relationship for
Speaker 2: good an abusive relationship. That's how many times that they
Speaker 2: will go back, five to seven times, which is huge.
Speaker 2: So it highlights that and it highlights how the justice
Speaker 2: system still is still a little bit more skewed to
Speaker 2: the men, and how hard it is to prove your
Speaker 2: domestic violence. So she didn't know that she had to
Speaker 2: go straight and file a police report. She thought she
Speaker 2: could leave straight away and get to safety. But ultimately
Speaker 2: they were saying, well, you know, did anyone see this happen?
Speaker 2: And she was like, well, no, it was at home.
Speaker 2: Did you file a police report? Well no, because I
Speaker 2: run straight to a shelter. I didn't. I was scared.
Speaker 2: And because of that, the law leant more towards the
Speaker 2: male in this situation. And these are things that I mean,
Speaker 2: we're up in arms about it, but this is happening
Speaker 2: to women every single day, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of the world doesn't know what women are facing every
Speaker 2: single day when they try and leave these situations.
Speaker 1: Platforming is on a world wide streamer also helps to
Speaker 1: debunk the stigma and the unnecessary rhetoric around like why
Speaker 1: didn't you she just leave? You know? And I think
Speaker 1: that that's what we know is that that's a constant
Speaker 1: conversation and a constant question that gets asked is like, well,
Speaker 1: if it was so bad, why didn't you just leave?
Speaker 1: And there's so many reasons as to why someone doesn't leave.
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen the series yet, Britt, thanks
Speaker 1: for bringing You're gonna go watch it now, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go watch it. Thank you for bringing the recommendation. Also, guys,
Speaker 1: if you've been watching it, slide into our DMS if
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts feelings towards it as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love some people to start chatting about it
Speaker 2: on the discussion group too, because I've been talking about
Speaker 2: it with people in my DMS singly, but I'd love
Speaker 2: to see a thread of it, so maybe we can
Speaker 2: start something in the discussion group. Okay, well, there were
Speaker 2: some big issues that we got out of the way early.
Speaker 2: But let's tell you about what today's episode actually is about. Now,
Speaker 2: today's episode, we are speaking to a woman named Samantha X.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys have heard the name of Samantha X.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know who she is, maybe you don't. Samantha
Speaker 2: X is one of Australia's well actually, she is Australia's
Speaker 2: top paid and most well known escort. She came out
Speaker 2: publicly as an escort probably ten years ago, now quite
Speaker 2: a long time ago. She was a journalist. She's a
Speaker 2: very intelligent woman. She's written two best selling books. She
Speaker 2: was incredible to talk about. We had a lot of
Speaker 2: requests to actually get her on, or someone in this
Speaker 2: sex working space on now. It is a space that
Speaker 2: Laura and I we don't know a lot about. We've
Speaker 2: obviously never worked in the industry. I've never known anyone
Speaker 2: to work in the industry, but it is a very
Speaker 2: very popular industry and we were really in about it.
Speaker 2: So we thought what better way to learn about it
Speaker 2: than to get somebody on that has lived it for
Speaker 2: a very long time.
Speaker 1: So Samantha X being Australia's most high paid escort. I
Speaker 1: think the thing I loved about this conversation is the
Speaker 1: fact that we all, and I think all of us,
Speaker 1: regardless of whether we're conscious of it or not, we
Speaker 1: all have a perception around what sex work is. We all,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's very stigmatized. I think that
Speaker 1: we can have some very negative thoughts around why people
Speaker 1: get into working in the industry, what the industry actually is,
Speaker 1: and speaking to her, I even found that some of
Speaker 1: my beliefs, some of the things that I thought about it,
Speaker 1: which had been formed without any real information or knowledge,
Speaker 1: were being challenged. One of those beliefs is that, you know, Samantha,
Speaker 1: this is an occupation that she has chosen wholeheartedly, and
Speaker 1: she also fucking loves it. There's no ambiguity around how
Speaker 1: she feels about working in the sex industry. She loves
Speaker 1: being an escort. And I guess one of the parts
Speaker 1: of this is that she talks about how there is
Speaker 1: this preconceived idea that everybody who works in the sex
Speaker 1: industry works in the sex industry because they are dependent
Speaker 1: on drugs or they need money, they're in a dire
Speaker 1: place of destitute in their lives, Whereas Samantha X comes
Speaker 1: into this conversation saying that there is a dark side.
Speaker 1: There absolutely is a dark side to the sex industry,
Speaker 1: but there also is a side where so many women,
Speaker 1: especially in today's society, are choosing to get into sex
Speaker 1: work because it's empowering for them, it's liberating for them,
Speaker 1: and it makes them a hell of a lot of money. Now,
Speaker 1: this conversation in no way is us advocating for you
Speaker 1: guys to go and get into sex work. This is
Speaker 1: more so just a really honest and interesting conversation with
Speaker 1: someone who works in the industry that majority of us
Speaker 1: don't know anything about. And I think if we're going
Speaker 1: to make our minds up about something, and we're going
Speaker 1: to have ideas about our beliefs around something, it's really
Speaker 1: important to be educated on those ideas and beliefs as
Speaker 1: well and speak to someone who maybe sits outside of
Speaker 1: your normal contacts of conversation that you would normally have.
Speaker 1: And I know, for me, I've never spoken to somebody
Speaker 1: who is a sex worker and who also speaks about
Speaker 1: it in a way that they absolutely love it. So
Speaker 1: I found this a really eye opening and also a
Speaker 1: very fun conversation. Sex work is still such a stigmatized conversation,
Speaker 1: and I think for so many people who work in
Speaker 1: the industry there is still feelings of like, oh, why
Speaker 1: why would you want to do that? Why would you
Speaker 1: choose that for a living? But I do also see
Speaker 1: that your sexuality is having a real moment in the
Speaker 1: media at the moment, especially female sexuality and female empowerment
Speaker 1: and also conversations around only fans and so many women
Speaker 1: are choosing to move into this industry from their own volition.
Speaker 1: So I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. And before
Speaker 1: we get into the chat with Samanth X, we have
Speaker 1: our favorite part of every episode and that is accidentally
Speaker 1: I'm filtered and awesome.
Speaker 2: We really need to plan that more accidentally unfiltered in
Speaker 2: the new Confessionals. We love this, We absolutely love you
Speaker 2: guys have been writing in the funniest shit, but Laura
Speaker 2: is gonna kick it off this week with an accidentally
Speaker 2: I'm filtered.
Speaker 1: I am just so happy that two years on, we
Speaker 1: are still getting so many cooked things that happen, and
Speaker 1: that as they happen to you, you think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write that end to the life on cut Girls, if
Speaker 1: you have had an embarrassing thing happen to you and
Speaker 1: you've been holding onto it for the past like year
Speaker 1: or however long you've been listening to the podcast thinking
Speaker 1: one day I'm going to write it in. Let this
Speaker 1: be your calling card. Today is that day? Please write
Speaker 1: in your accidentally unfiltered But anyway.
Speaker 2: We actually have so many people recently that have written
Speaker 2: in saying like, Okay, I've been sitting on this for
Speaker 2: two years, and my sister's been trying to make me
Speaker 2: tell you every week for two years. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Okay, I literally have that one screenshot and save, the
Speaker 1: one that you're talking about right now. I have that
Speaker 1: screenshot and save.
Speaker 2: But that's gonna be people that are like, I'm on
Speaker 2: the side of the road doing the Pooh now. But
Speaker 2: I felt like I should tell you immediately in the moment.
Speaker 1: I just wish that lesson than we're about poohs. But
Speaker 1: fucking hell, there's so many poohs.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the.
Speaker 1: Funniest one, all right, this is definitely non Pooh related.
Speaker 1: When I was twenty one, I worked at a pub
Speaker 1: in my hometown in Melbourne. I had had a massive
Speaker 1: night at and I was so so hungover for the
Speaker 1: lunch shift. I walked into the kitchen and they said, hey,
Speaker 1: take these to whatever table number it was. So I
Speaker 1: walked over and there it is. I see Peter Hellier's
Speaker 1: family and himself sitting there at the table. My brain
Speaker 1: is so foggy at this point, and I go to
Speaker 1: call out the meals. So I walk up to the table,
Speaker 1: but instead of saying, Hi, here's your chicken, Parmesana, I say, Hey,
Speaker 1: here's your chicken, Peter Hellier What I don't even realize
Speaker 1: I've said it as I look around for someone to
Speaker 1: clean the meal. Then all of a sudden, my stomach
Speaker 1: drops as I realize what I've said. His whole family
Speaker 1: is sitting there staring at me. He is looking at
Speaker 1: me dead pan, while one other person is sitting there laughing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I hid for the rest of the ship. I just
Speaker 1: fucking love this. Hi, here's your Peter Hellie your chicken.
Speaker 1: And also, like you would just kind of be offended
Speaker 1: a bit. I think I.
Speaker 2: Think would be funny if someone count to me and said, Hey,
Speaker 2: here's your chicken, Brittany Hockley, I think I would think
Speaker 2: it was hilarious. Like, I can't believe anyone would be
Speaker 2: that situation and not find that funny.
Speaker 1: I once did the most embarrassing thing when it comes
Speaker 1: to celebrities, and I think sometimes you can see a
Speaker 1: celebrity in real life and not clock who they are,
Speaker 1: because especially with social media these days, you kind of
Speaker 1: feel like you're closer to them than what you really are.
Speaker 1: You know, for example, we share so much about and
Speaker 1: this is not me saying we're celebrities. We're definitely not
Speaker 1: like the fucking d grade celebrities of the world, but
Speaker 1: we share so much of our personal lives on the
Speaker 1: podcast and on social media. And so when I run
Speaker 1: into some of you who are listeners on the street,
Speaker 1: so many of you were like, oh my god, and
Speaker 1: then this happened, and this happened, And it can sometimes
Speaker 1: be a bit disjointed because you know so much about
Speaker 1: our lives and we don't know anything about your life,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of feel like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: catch up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I once was walking through Paddington and I saw this
Speaker 1: girl who I was like, oh, I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: went to school with her. And she was looking at me,
Speaker 1: and I was looking at her and I was like, oh, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: how are you going? And then I realized she was
Speaker 1: Natalie and Broullia.
Speaker 2: How was she like? Could baby?
Speaker 1: She literally just looked at me like, why the fuck
Speaker 1: are you talking to me? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so rude. And then dawned on me and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know you. You are so famous, and I
Speaker 1: just thought, oh, yeah, we went to school whatever. Good
Speaker 1: to see the loser.
Speaker 2: I don't. Everything sort of happened to me, but not
Speaker 2: sort of, I mean, like not the same. I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you it was not that long ago. Just
Speaker 2: before I left for overseas, I was in the supermarketing
Speaker 2: bond die. Now this happens to mill of time, right,
Speaker 2: I would have seen a guy and I'll be like,
Speaker 2: have I gone on a date with you? Or have
Speaker 2: I just have you been inside? Have I just seen
Speaker 2: you on? Not so much inside me because I don't
Speaker 2: have that many one night stands, but like, have I
Speaker 2: do I A how do I know you? Have I
Speaker 2: met you somewhere in real life? Have we been on
Speaker 2: a date, or have I just talked to you on
Speaker 2: Instagram somewhere? Or have I just seen you on Tinder?
Speaker 2: Like I always get them mixed up at just like
Speaker 2: what level I've known them? So I was in the
Speaker 2: supermarket and I saw this guy putting some stuff in
Speaker 2: his groceries. I was like, fuck. We made eye contact,
Speaker 2: we looked at each other, and I was like shit,
Speaker 2: I know I know you, and I was like clocking
Speaker 2: where from. So I just gave him like a little smile.
Speaker 2: I was like a half flirty smile, just in case.
Speaker 2: I was like, just in case we have hooked up,
Speaker 2: in case you like each other, It's okay, We're like
Speaker 2: a half flirty smile. Went to the next aisle just
Speaker 2: like walked past, and then I was racking my brain
Speaker 2: saw him getting the next aisle smile again, and then
Speaker 2: it hit me. It was Sam Worthington, and I was like,
Speaker 2: definitely have not matched you on Tinder. Definitely have not
Speaker 2: hooked up with you. I think so many.
Speaker 1: People would relate not the Sam Worthington put, but I
Speaker 1: think so many people would relate to seeing a guy
Speaker 1: or a girl in public and being like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I know you, or oh that's the person
Speaker 1: who i'd matched with on a dating app. And what
Speaker 1: do you do if you've matched with someone on a
Speaker 1: dating app and then you see them in real life?
Speaker 1: Do you go and say hello?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. And it has happened to me
Speaker 2: before where someone came up to me in another barn
Speaker 2: BONDI and they're like, hey, we matched and I was
Speaker 2: like hey, and he's like, then you go see me
Speaker 2: And I was like cute.
Speaker 1: You're like, then you don't come and say hello.
Speaker 2: I was like, why did you do that? Then? Now
Speaker 2: this is so awkward? And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: probably I think I was seeing someone or I don't know, Like,
Speaker 2: just don't do it. I think that like you can
Speaker 2: have a smile at someone, but it is very awkward.
Speaker 2: It's different. It depends if you've actually matched and met
Speaker 2: up with them or spoke to them, or if you
Speaker 2: just matched and never had that conversation online. Because I
Speaker 2: think if you've never had a conversation, you can pretend
Speaker 2: like you don't know each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you both know that you do know each other.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You can feel it. You're like I
Speaker 1: know that you know that we matched, and you know
Speaker 1: that I know that we matched, but now we're not
Speaker 1: acknowledging it, and it's weird and we're both sitting in
Speaker 1: this cafe. Anyway, that's a thing to unpack on a
Speaker 1: whole other episode. Bring me your confessionals for today.
Speaker 2: I do just want to add that Sam Worthington he
Speaker 2: had like grown a big beard, like there was a
Speaker 2: really he had a hat on and he had a beard,
Speaker 2: so there's like a reason I didn't quite recognize him.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I didn't know. I definitely didn't match for him,
Speaker 2: and he has never been inside me. I just want
Speaker 2: to put that disclaimer out to the media, like Daily Mail.
Speaker 2: On that note, I've got a couple of heck confessions
Speaker 2: for you. I'm gonna start with something cute. Okay, guys,
Speaker 2: I called the NRMA because my car wouldn't start after
Speaker 2: the poor guy came on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: We tried everything. We discovered that the only reason it
Speaker 2: didn't start because we didn't have it in park loll whoops.
Speaker 2: Now the best part is my dad insisted to replace
Speaker 2: the battery because he was worried there was something wrong.
Speaker 2: I couldn't bring myself to tell the truth, so my
Speaker 2: car got a brand new battery that my dad paid
Speaker 2: for for no reason.
Speaker 4: Oh bless, I think it's I would have just told
Speaker 4: my fucking dad, you just made your dad spend like
Speaker 4: seven hundred dollars on a new car battery because you
Speaker 4: didn't put your car in parks.
Speaker 1: I feel like that is very innocent. Also, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I called NRMA once and then realized
Speaker 1: I just had no petrol. So fine, We've all been there.
Speaker 2: Happens the best of us. Okay, confessional. I went on
Speaker 2: a first day to a boy's house. It was going
Speaker 2: really well, and he was cooking us dinner. Then my
Speaker 2: worst nightmare started. I started to need the loop. I
Speaker 2: made an excuse that my contact lens was rubbing so
Speaker 2: I could quickly go and do my pooh before dinner.
Speaker 2: So I've done the pooh and I realized the toilet
Speaker 2: was blocked with tissue. Oh my god, I wanted to cry.
Speaker 2: So two glasses of wine down. I panicked. I picked
Speaker 2: up the number two. I threw it out the two
Speaker 2: story window. Next day, because I stayed over, my date
Speaker 2: took his dog to the vet because he was so
Speaker 2: worried at what his very small dog had done in
Speaker 2: the garden. So he thought that his dog, his small dog,
Speaker 2: had done a human size shit in the yard, so
Speaker 2: we took him to the vet.
Speaker 1: What I like about this, though, is not the fact
Speaker 1: that it was a human sized poo. It would have
Speaker 1: been absolutely decimated by being thrown out of two story windows.
Speaker 1: He just thought that dog, Oh man, that's awful, and
Speaker 1: you also can never admit to that. I know that
Speaker 1: there's always a Pooh story that gets told, but you
Speaker 1: can never admit to being who throws the pool out
Speaker 1: a two story window.
Speaker 2: Who can never admit that you put your bare hand
Speaker 2: in the toilet and pulled out your log and through
Speaker 2: out the window at your boyfriend's house. Never you take
Speaker 2: that to the grave or to life on cart.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, though, the amount of people who
Speaker 1: have actually messaged us to tell us that they fish
Speaker 1: their own pool out of a toilet bowl is wild.
Speaker 1: And I know that some of you, like we've gotten feedback.
Speaker 1: Some of you are like enough with the Pooh stories.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: We would also like it to be enough with the
Speaker 1: Pooh stories, but they keep on coming in every week.
Speaker 1: That's what we received when it comes to it, accidentally,
Speaker 1: unfiltered or a confessional.
Speaker 2: But I can't tell you ninety five percent of you
Speaker 2: our stories from you guys, I poop stories. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have one more confessional that I'm gonna throw in
Speaker 1: here because I just think it's so well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not that innocent, but it's really funny. I lied
Speaker 1: to my parents about my atar, and I photoshopped my certificate.
Speaker 1: They then framed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did, girl, you live your best life.
Speaker 1: I think that there's there's like a whole other layer
Speaker 1: to this because your atar gets published in the newspaper.
Speaker 1: So what happens when your correct atar gets published?
Speaker 2: Do you double down on the line?
Speaker 1: Do you say, no, they accidentally misprinted my atar results
Speaker 1: in the newspaper. I gave you my certificate.
Speaker 2: Obviously they just didn't look at that, nah, which is
Speaker 2: fair like everyone might not if you just say, mom,
Speaker 2: this is what I got, here's my certificate, Like, they're
Speaker 2: not going to go search in the newspaper.
Speaker 1: If you have the type of parents who were framing
Speaker 1: your atar and putting it on the wall, I can
Speaker 1: guarantee you that they are looking for that name in
Speaker 1: a newspaper anyway. Guys, that is it from accidentally unfiltered
Speaker 1: and confessionals. Let's get into the chat with Samantha X.
Speaker 1: We hope you guys enjoy it as much as we
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing the interview.
Speaker 2: Samantha X is Australia's highest paid and most well known escort.
Speaker 2: She's an ex journalist turned author. She's got a few
Speaker 2: best selling books, Hooked and Back on Track. Both books
Speaker 2: are like a fly on the wall experience, revealing what
Speaker 2: it's actually like to work in the sex industry. She
Speaker 2: speaks very very openly about what working in this industry involves,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking the good, the bad, the hard, end
Speaker 2: of the funny. And Samantha is now a sex coach
Speaker 2: and owner of Samantha X after Dark. She's a very
Speaker 2: very interesting woman and I am very intrigued about this life.
Speaker 2: So Samantha, Welcome to Life on Kut. Thanks for coming today.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I always hear people saying that they're intrigued
Speaker 3: by my story, and I always I always smile because
Speaker 3: I think, no matter what, no matter how old my
Speaker 3: story gets, people are so intrigued by the sex industry
Speaker 3: and by the secrets that I have. And I because
Speaker 3: I've been in it for a while now, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, it's so kitchen table for me now, so
Speaker 3: I forget that people are still so interested in So
Speaker 3: thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: Well, I think for so many people, like I mean,
Speaker 1: the majority of us, there is so much taboo and mystery.
Speaker 1: And before we unpack your life and how you got
Speaker 1: into the industry, we ask everybody who comes on this
Speaker 1: podcast one very the same question. It is accidentally unfiltered,
Speaker 1: and that is you sharing with us your most embarrassing story. Now,
Speaker 1: I know that you got prepped on this a little
Speaker 1: bit late, but Samantha, do you have an embarrassing story
Speaker 1: to share with us?
Speaker 3: I've got so many embarrassing stories. The one that I
Speaker 3: thought about that came to my mind first was when
Speaker 3: I was quite new starting out of Samantha and the
Speaker 3: client requested a really romantic night. We had dinner, champagne.
Speaker 3: I had a beautiful hotel room full of candles, and
Speaker 3: then you know, he was gorgeous, and I was really nervous,
Speaker 3: and we sort of moved from the kitchen to the
Speaker 3: living room to the bedroom and I could smell smoke,
Speaker 3: and I hadn't realized that the sheets were on fire
Speaker 3: because the sheets had caught fire from the candle. So
Speaker 3: it was I was trying to be really professional and sexy.
Speaker 3: That was a learning lesson for me. Big time. Big
Speaker 3: Time put out a fire lost me a fortune because
Speaker 3: there was smoke all the way up the wall. You
Speaker 3: know how that smoke all the way up the walls,
Speaker 3: You know, I had to obviously really apologize for him
Speaker 3: burning his face and dick off. It was just it
Speaker 3: was just a lesson. Another one I just want to say,
Speaker 3: which I think a lot of women will wore cringe at.
Speaker 3: Is this. A young man looked me once and then
Speaker 3: when he turned up he looked at me. He went, oh, no,
Speaker 3: you're too old.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he did not. But the thing about being.
Speaker 3: An escort or in the industry is that you learned
Speaker 3: to toughen up pretty quickly. And you know, it's not personal,
Speaker 3: you know what, you know, someone may find me attractive
Speaker 3: and another man may not. It's really you learn you
Speaker 3: learned to tough en up pretty quick.
Speaker 1: How do you cope with that? Like, I mean, the
Speaker 1: very first time that sort of happens and you are
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's kind of like you're on
Speaker 1: this continual first date where you have to show up
Speaker 1: and be like, Hi, I'm Samantha, Nice to meet you. Like,
Speaker 1: how do you I don't know, how does your ego
Speaker 1: and your self esteem reckon with that?
Speaker 3: It can be incredibly hard. I mean I've tried dating
Speaker 3: in the real world too, and I find that harder.
Speaker 3: So with Samantha, I mean, obviously my real name is
Speaker 3: not Samantha, but with this character I've created, it's showtime.
Speaker 3: I have got that barrier up. So whatever they say
Speaker 3: to me Samantha doesn't really affect me as Amanda. So
Speaker 3: it's different. If it was real life. I caught it
Speaker 3: real life, then I would find it really hard. But
Speaker 3: you know, it's a job, and what happens with a
Speaker 3: client or what a client says to me, I don't
Speaker 3: bring home. I may write about it, but I don't
Speaker 3: bring out.
Speaker 2: So I want to get into that in a second.
Speaker 2: About the Amanda verse Samantha in these I guess these
Speaker 2: two lives you almost live. But I want to ask
Speaker 2: you something quickly that you just touched on. You just
Speaker 2: mentioned that this guy rocked up to the hotel one
Speaker 2: day and said, oh no, you're too old. Do they
Speaker 2: know who you are and what you look like when
Speaker 2: they book you? Like, why was he so surprised? I
Speaker 2: thought he would book you knowing who and what you are.
Speaker 3: That was a long time Yeah, that's a really good question.
Speaker 3: That was a long time ago. That was before I
Speaker 3: came out to Samantha. So my face wasn't shown, my
Speaker 3: pictures weren't really identifiable. At all. Now it's a very
Speaker 3: very different story when I first started out and the
Speaker 3: person I am now completely different. And it doesn't even
Speaker 3: get to that stage because clients men who know who
Speaker 3: I am and they know what I look like. So
Speaker 3: the two samanthas I was very green then.
Speaker 2: So tell us a little bit about what life was like,
Speaker 2: just a background on you. Where did you grow up,
Speaker 2: how did you get to the point that you're at
Speaker 2: right now, and when did Amanda turn into Samantha?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I grew up in Wimbledon in London. You know,
Speaker 3: I had a very privileged upbringing, went to a private school,
Speaker 3: all girls' school. Normal dysfunctional family. I mean, I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: There it was a you know, it was privileged. But
Speaker 3: I mean I know what families, all families are like,
Speaker 3: because I hear enough about all families. But I moved.
Speaker 3: I was a journalist. I always wants to be a journalist.
Speaker 3: And then when I moved to Australia in my mid twenties,
Speaker 3: I did so for many reasons, to escape really, and
Speaker 3: so I was a journalist in Australia for many years,
Speaker 3: and then I always knew I wanted to be Samantha.
Speaker 3: It just was in me, and I think a lot
Speaker 3: of women in this industry also say the same thing.
Speaker 3: They just know. So after separating from my ex with
Speaker 3: two young children, I decided it was time to be Samantha.
Speaker 3: And I had no idea what to do. I had
Speaker 3: no one I knew in my world was in the
Speaker 3: adult industry. But I did my research like a good
Speaker 3: journalist and picked up the phone and worked for an establishment.
Speaker 3: And at the minute I started, I was hooked. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't mean to say hooked her hearts name my book,
Speaker 3: but I was. I was hooked. And it's an addictive industry.
Speaker 3: It's very addictive. And I say to young girls only,
Speaker 3: especially young girls that come to me saying I want
Speaker 3: to be ill, but you want to be an escort,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's so glamorous. And I always warned them,
Speaker 3: and I say no, because once you're in this industry,
Speaker 3: it is impossible to leave, go and have your career,
Speaker 3: go and have kids, if you want to have kids,
Speaker 3: go and get married or whatever you want to do.
Speaker 3: And then obviously everyone story is different. For me, at
Speaker 3: my age forty seven, what I do suits me in
Speaker 3: my lifestyle now, but was I ready for it earlier?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: What was the catalyst that happened or what was it
Speaker 1: that made you want to shift from working in journalism
Speaker 1: to working as an escort? And you know, you said
Speaker 1: that it was something that you always felt like you
Speaker 1: wanted to do. But what was the big thing or
Speaker 1: was there a big thing that made you go, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give this a try.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, I was dating and that's enough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the catalysty.
Speaker 3: I was in my mid thirties, you know, and I
Speaker 3: have this thing where I say I'm sick of men
Speaker 3: wasting my time. They can pay for it. And money
Speaker 3: is also a factor that. I mean, it'd be naive
Speaker 3: and irresponsible for me to say that money isn't great.
Speaker 3: It comes and it goes very easily. I was working
Speaker 3: full time as a journalist and I was a single mother,
Speaker 3: and I didn't take very kindly to some editor saying
Speaker 3: you can't see your children this weekend, you have to work.
Speaker 3: So I didn't see my children fifty to fifty anyway,
Speaker 3: I only saw them. So I just thought, fuck this,
Speaker 3: I'm going to create that. I always wanted to create it,
Speaker 3: And looking back, I think I can't believe how brave
Speaker 3: I was. Now I wouldn't looking back, I think I
Speaker 3: can't believe half the stuff I've done. But at the
Speaker 3: time it felt really right, and I really feel I
Speaker 3: was meant to live that life. Yeah, just an escalation
Speaker 3: of a few bad dates. It wasn't one digital event,
Speaker 3: it was just the general Okay, I'm really sick of
Speaker 3: dating now.
Speaker 2: When you say that you knew that it was always
Speaker 2: in you and you knew it was always something that
Speaker 2: you wanted to do, What do you mean by that.
Speaker 2: Do you mean that like you just love sex so much,
Speaker 2: or do you mean that you knew that one person
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily for you when you liked that lifestyle, Like,
Speaker 2: what was it that was burning inside of you? That
Speaker 2: was like, because I feel like it's a very specific
Speaker 2: industry to jump from journalism to that and to say
Speaker 2: I knew that this industry was always in me, especially
Speaker 2: when you joined Like now we're doing podcasts like this,
Speaker 2: we're talking openly about it. It's so much more accepted.
Speaker 2: There was definitely a stigma in a taboo probably when
Speaker 2: you joined the industry massively.
Speaker 3: Now now sex workers have pot and I'm not the
Speaker 3: first one to write a book, and I won't be
Speaker 3: the last. I guess it was a power thing and
Speaker 3: it still is. You know, when I date someone in
Speaker 3: my real life, I sort of feel the scales are
Speaker 3: a bit out of whack. But when I'm Samantha, I
Speaker 3: have the power, and I think that's a very hard
Speaker 3: thing to lose. Once you've got that, it's almost like
Speaker 3: a mask I can hide behind because the real me
Speaker 3: is very different to Samantha. Couldn't be more different, and
Speaker 3: I think people always quite surprised when they meet the
Speaker 3: real MEAE because I'm actually quite an introvert. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's not about sex. Sex is sex, you know. I've
Speaker 3: always said that. I always say to women, don't do
Speaker 3: this job for the sex. It's more the power. I
Speaker 3: think that's what That's what drew me there and that's
Speaker 3: what keeps me there, and of course the men. I
Speaker 3: really really love the clients I see.
Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about how and why
Speaker 1: when you started, or what it was that made you
Speaker 1: go okay. I want to keep Amanda separate. I want
Speaker 1: Amanda to be me, and I want to have more
Speaker 1: of a stage name when it comes to my work
Speaker 1: and working in that on industry.
Speaker 3: I didn't actively plan to do that. It just evolved naturally.
Speaker 3: I created Samantha, and I didn't sit there and think, Okay,
Speaker 3: I want Samantha to be blonde. I wanted to have
Speaker 3: big boobs. And I didn't plan all of that. I
Speaker 3: evolved over the past ten years. But I knew that
Speaker 3: if I was at home, housework, being a very normal,
Speaker 3: typical woman at home, if I was being booked a Samantha,
Speaker 3: I could leave that behind and step into this world.
Speaker 3: And I became addicted to that. Stepping into that world,
Speaker 3: walking through the hotel, five star, hotel, knocking on the door.
Speaker 3: You know, it's escapism, and I'm being treated like a queen, princess, whatever,
Speaker 3: and I'm with the client for one two hours and
Speaker 3: then i come home to my real life. And that's
Speaker 3: what I find really hearty. Let go of. Is that escapism?
Speaker 3: That's thrill. I mean, it's intriguing for me. You know,
Speaker 3: as a journalist, I'm intrigued by who I meet behind
Speaker 3: the hotel door. I'm always engaged by my client.
Speaker 2: Do you, And I'm sure it's very different from when
Speaker 2: you entered the industry until now. Obviously you run your
Speaker 2: own companies and you're very in control and you're very
Speaker 2: very well known and respected. Did you ever and can
Speaker 2: you now do you see the clients that book you before?
Speaker 2: Like can you choose the client? Because what happens if
Speaker 2: like and let's be real, you still want to have
Speaker 2: an attraction. You don't want to go and have sex
Speaker 2: with someone. I'm sure that you're repulse by for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: Is there a time that you've ever turned up and
Speaker 2: you've just gone like holy shit, like how do I
Speaker 2: get out of this? Or I don't want to do it?
Speaker 2: Or is it different for you? And you just love
Speaker 2: the whole experience so much that it doesn't matter who's
Speaker 2: on the other side.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter when a woman is working, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what they look like. It really doesn't.
Speaker 3: Have I ever felt holy shit, Yes I have. I'd
Speaker 3: be lying if I said no. But they're usually the
Speaker 3: most beautiful clients. I mean one of my clients that
Speaker 3: I miss daily was an eighty five year old man.
Speaker 3: Obviously there was no intimacy as in sex, but his
Speaker 3: care would bring him into the hotel at eleven o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, be in a wheelchair, he would come upstairs,
Speaker 3: I'd give him a shower. I would sit on the
Speaker 3: bed in a dressing gown and drink a whiskey. I
Speaker 3: don't drink, so he drank a whiskey and that was all.
Speaker 3: And it was really nice to see him. Over the
Speaker 3: past six months I saw him, you know, he'd become
Speaker 3: a bit more confident after shaven, wouldn't need his care
Speaker 3: or he wouldn't. He would get out of the wheelchair,
Speaker 3: start walking.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just really beautiful to see him change a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then when he died, his family rang me and
Speaker 3: invite him to the funeral, which was really lovely. So
Speaker 3: I really missed him. Actually, we used to have such
Speaker 3: beautiful chats. So yeah, look, I mean, could I rip
Speaker 3: his clothes and have sex with him? That would be
Speaker 3: a real struggle, but I didn't. We didn't. So there
Speaker 3: have been clients where I think, well, not many actually,
Speaker 3: because I'm so experienced now, I can tell if they're
Speaker 3: going to be a dickhead just by the way they
Speaker 3: send me a m I don't see those clients.
Speaker 2: Can you teach us that? How do we learn that
Speaker 2: as the general public? How do we learn straight away
Speaker 2: that sone's a dickhead.
Speaker 3: Well, my biggest number one advice to women is if
Speaker 3: you think he's a dickhetat, he's a dicket. You know,
Speaker 3: if something doesn't feel right, it's not right.
Speaker 1: If he looks and smells like a dickhead, is Samantha
Speaker 1: you mentioned before. You don't know who the person's going
Speaker 1: to be, or what type that they're going to look like,
Speaker 1: anything about them, But what is the type of man
Speaker 1: or what is the type of client that you normally see.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us would have it in
Speaker 1: our heads that there might be a type of guy
Speaker 1: who would call for an escort service. Is that the
Speaker 1: case or is it really just open to kind of anyone.
Speaker 3: It's open to anyone. It's no type. It's just a
Speaker 3: man basically, not just a man, it's women as well.
Speaker 3: But it's yeah, it's there's no type. There's no It's
Speaker 3: not like the dodgy dirty mac brigade that hang around
Speaker 3: train stations. It's people from Pollywood celebrities to tradees to anybody.
Speaker 3: But I would say they all have one thing in
Speaker 3: common and that's what they're looking for, and they're looking
Speaker 3: for connecting.
Speaker 2: And is it always like I know that you just
Speaker 2: talked about this eighty five year old man that you
Speaker 2: obviously there was no sex involved. But anyone else that's
Speaker 2: younger than that there's obviously able to have sex. Is
Speaker 2: there anyone that would employ you to just be company
Speaker 2: and just have intimacy or to go on a trip
Speaker 2: with you, like what's the extent of what you are
Speaker 2: hired for?
Speaker 3: Yes, there are clients like that. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to give the allusion to women though that this is
Speaker 3: just accompanying men to dinner and they put you in
Speaker 3: a limousine and you go home. I have an houri fee.
Speaker 3: What what we do in that is up to me. Really,
Speaker 3: it's not up to them. It's up to me. But
Speaker 3: people are paying for my time. They're not paying for
Speaker 3: Oh well, we're not going to have sex, so you know,
Speaker 3: what can you discount? They're paying for my time. So
Speaker 3: there are men that think they want sex, but really
Speaker 3: they don't. They just want company. Majority of men want company.
Speaker 3: Sex is largely always involved, but it's very very vanilla
Speaker 3: and very quick. Really, sorry all my clients.
Speaker 2: That's so funny because you feel like you feel like
Speaker 2: the people that want to come to you for a
Speaker 2: night I like, want to go crazy.
Speaker 3: Always makes me laugh because I've lost count of the
Speaker 3: number of women that come to me and say, Samath's
Speaker 3: I want to be an escort. I'm addicted to sex,
Speaker 3: And I just laugh and I say, don't do this
Speaker 3: for the sex. Be on Tinder for sex. Don't be
Speaker 3: an escort for sex.
Speaker 2: Tinder won't pay you, though it.
Speaker 3: Costs you, costs you time. That's what I worked out,
Speaker 3: Especially during lockdown. I had clients that would ring me,
Speaker 3: and it's nothing that they didn't want phone sex. They
Speaker 3: just wanted to talk to someone, you know. I had
Speaker 3: one client who was suicidal because he's in Melbourne. Obviously
Speaker 3: I had a charge him for that. But they are
Speaker 3: searching for so much more than penis and vagina.
Speaker 1: Samantha, you mentioned how important connection is, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like that's probably the bee thing that
Speaker 1: is overlooked in all this. I think when we think
Speaker 1: of the sex industry and when we think of escort services.
Speaker 1: I know, I certainly the very first thing that my
Speaker 1: mind went to was the sex work. But one of
Speaker 1: the things, and we heard you speak on another podcast,
Speaker 1: it was one of the parts of this that we
Speaker 1: found so interesting was your conversation around connection and conversation?
Speaker 1: Can you explain to me a little bit about how
Speaker 1: and why you find this to be such an important
Speaker 1: part of the services that you provide.
Speaker 3: Connection is probably the number one reason why men book me.
Speaker 3: I can't speak for every other escort out there, but
Speaker 3: I know for me, and that really surprised me because
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be about sex sect
Speaker 3: X because I feel these days men, well, not necessarily
Speaker 3: these days men. In my experience, men I see they
Speaker 3: don't feel they can be themselves anywhere, and particularly if
Speaker 3: they're busy at work or they've got families or whatever
Speaker 3: their situation is. I see them struggle with their emotions,
Speaker 3: and I see them struggle with being able to talk
Speaker 3: and speak freely without being judged. So I call myself
Speaker 3: an overpaid psychologist.
Speaker 2: You probably charge more is mentally training.
Speaker 3: It can be mentally draining, not physically draining. So a
Speaker 3: lot of men I feel as staffed of that connection,
Speaker 3: whereas women are so good at connecting with each other,
Speaker 3: and I feel men men aren't so good at that,
Speaker 3: or they see it. There's a sign of weakness. But
Speaker 3: it's funny with an escort they will feel comfortable to
Speaker 3: do that. So back to women who think because they
Speaker 3: love sex, they'll be a good escort, it's not really
Speaker 3: a massive part of the job, to be honest.
Speaker 2: And the men that come to you, I know you
Speaker 2: just mentioned that there are all different walks of life
Speaker 2: and all different kinds of men. Do you see and
Speaker 2: this is just out of curiosity, but do you see
Speaker 2: a lot of married men, Like, are there a lot
Speaker 2: of family men that are coming to you for whatever reason?
Speaker 2: I would just love to know a if you do
Speaker 2: see married family men and be what's the main reason
Speaker 2: they're coming to you?
Speaker 3: Okay, So yes, I do see married men. There are
Speaker 3: a certain percentage of men that not all, but some.
Speaker 3: The number one reason they're coming to me is their
Speaker 3: marriages have become all their wives and them have just
Speaker 3: become strangers in the night. They have separate bedrooms, separate lives. Rightly,
Speaker 3: they stay because of the children. They don't want to
Speaker 3: leave because they don't lose their money and they don't
Speaker 3: want to lose the kids. And there's a feeling of
Speaker 3: being trapped. I'm sure their wives feel trapped as well.
Speaker 3: So you know, divorce is to boo in a lot
Speaker 3: of cultures as well. Look, I've been in that situation.
Speaker 3: I know what it's like to be an unhappy relationship,
Speaker 3: and as an escort and a professional, it's not my
Speaker 3: job to judge their marriage. And you know, there's always
Speaker 3: two sides to us.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it's not your responsibility, as in like it's not
Speaker 1: your responsibility to be vetoing your customers who come in
Speaker 1: and making a moral judgment for them saying you know, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't see you because you're married. And like you said,
Speaker 1: everyone has different circumstances, but I'm sure or maybe not.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know your opinion this. Do you receive
Speaker 1: backlash from people who when if you do speak about
Speaker 1: seeing married men, or if you do speak about having
Speaker 1: someone come to you who maybe is in a traditional
Speaker 1: family sense, do you couple at a criticism for that personally?
Speaker 3: No. I've had wives contact me, yeah, when they found out,
Speaker 3: but I end up having an honest conversation with the wife.
Speaker 3: I remember one and I wrote about it. One woman
Speaker 3: rang me and said, oh, you've seen my husband, And
Speaker 3: I said, I'm okay, here's your husband and she told
Speaker 3: and I didn't know who he was. I couldn't remember,
Speaker 3: and she said, we're trying for a baby. He promised
Speaker 3: me he wouldn't see escorts anymore, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: get private investigator, Da da dada. And she goes, what
Speaker 3: do you think I should do? And I said, well,
Speaker 3: do you really want to be having a baby with
Speaker 3: someone you don't trust? You know? So she says, do
Speaker 3: you think he'll change? And I said no, I don't
Speaker 3: think he'll change, you know, And I'm not going to
Speaker 3: lie to her. We ended up having a real honest conversation,
Speaker 3: and you know, she wasn't saying you, you slut. You know,
Speaker 3: she was just saying, I'm so unhappy I'm with someone
Speaker 3: that does this. What do you think I should do?
Speaker 3: And I said, well, if you've got to stage, well,
Speaker 3: you're ringing a stranger ask and asking what you think
Speaker 3: you should do. I don't think you should be having
Speaker 3: a baby with.
Speaker 2: This man, especially she's coming to you for like It's
Speaker 2: almost like, Okay, you've done your therapy session with him,
Speaker 2: and now you're doing it with her as well. It's like,
Speaker 2: but that is so true. If you are having to
Speaker 2: ask someone you I don't know that has swept with
Speaker 2: your husband if you should stay together. I mean, like
Speaker 2: they're your answers, right there isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I felt for her, But I mean equally,
Speaker 3: I have women that come to me who want to
Speaker 3: be escorts that are marriage and they want to do
Speaker 3: this on the side. So I think I'm more intimidating
Speaker 3: for the husbands of my friends than I am for
Speaker 3: the wife. I remember one man said to me, don't
Speaker 3: let my wife come and work for you. For God's sake, Samantha,
Speaker 3: So when I know my real life, she ended up
Speaker 3: working for me actually, and now she's an escort. But
Speaker 3: funny enough, it's the men that have a problem with
Speaker 3: what I do, not the women. But they just split up.
Speaker 3: And he said, if she contacts you, don't let her
Speaker 3: work for you. I mean, I'm not. She's a grown woman,
Speaker 3: you know, she's in her forties.
Speaker 2: She can do what she wants.
Speaker 3: So she ended up contacting me, and you know, now
Speaker 3: she's an escort, and I think he's furious at me.
Speaker 3: So it's funny. While people may think it's the wives
Speaker 3: that judge me, it's actually the men that are terrified
Speaker 3: that their wives are going to see this free lifestyle
Speaker 3: that I have, and they're stuck in these marriages, and
Speaker 3: they might think, oh, you know, she's going to want
Speaker 3: to be free like Samantha. She's going to want to
Speaker 3: be an escort like Samantha. That's where the judgment comes from,
Speaker 3: usually not not the why the wives get it. You know,
Speaker 3: women understand why I do what I do nine times
Speaker 3: out of tennally understand.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask this, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask it anyway. I mean, one of
Speaker 1: the big things must be financially and that it's a
Speaker 1: lucrative business to be working in. I feel like that
Speaker 1: must be something that's a calling card. How financially viable
Speaker 1: are we talking? Like what what do we charge a
Speaker 1: client for an evening or for a few hours if
Speaker 1: you were to have someone spend two hours with you,
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking, you know, if your girlfriends and people
Speaker 1: that you're in close contact with, maybe not just seeing
Speaker 1: the jobs that you're doing, but also seeing like the
Speaker 1: lifestyle and what you're able to provide for yourself, that
Speaker 1: can also be a really attractive part of this.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, and I think for single moms as well.
Speaker 3: I charge twelve hundred dollars an hour, so I usually
Speaker 3: see clients for a few hours, a couple of thousand
Speaker 3: dollars here, you know, and I don't I charlge obviously
Speaker 3: a lot more for that for and overnight, which I
Speaker 3: don't really do that. We're all going overseas. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you can make great money, and you know, I put
Speaker 3: it in the bank and I pay my tax.
Speaker 2: Disclaimer, don't come at me ATO.
Speaker 3: The ATO did bring me once. It was a woman
Speaker 3: or if you work for me, and she was working
Speaker 3: for the ATO.
Speaker 2: She saw how much money you were making, She's like,
Speaker 2: I need in on that.
Speaker 3: I asked her if she was going to pay tax
Speaker 3: on the money she hadn't it, and of course not.
Speaker 3: It is a true story, by the way. You know,
Speaker 3: it's great for making money, but also you don't have superannoation,
Speaker 3: you don't have sick pay. You don't you know, I
Speaker 3: might be really busy one month and dead the next,
Speaker 3: but I'm making more money now than I was a journalist.
Speaker 3: I guarantee that.
Speaker 2: So they got an average week, how many clients would
Speaker 2: you see or how many nights would you work?
Speaker 3: Or look now these days barely any because I'm really
Speaker 3: winding it down. But you know, you can make a
Speaker 3: lot of money. I mean, I know girls that bought
Speaker 3: properties and you know millions.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned just then that you're making more now
Speaker 1: than what you did as a journalist, something that I
Speaker 1: wanted to go back to. In regards to your journalist's career,
Speaker 1: you've been quoted saying that you entered the adult industry
Speaker 1: because it was more ethical than the media industry.
Speaker 3: Tell me about this, especially these days, I stand by that,
Speaker 3: Especially in London, I was a journalist for the tabloids
Speaker 3: and I was told to make things up and I
Speaker 3: did some things I wasn't proud of, you know. I
Speaker 3: had to go to families when let's say, I remember
Speaker 3: one incident. The man had just died in a fire
Speaker 3: and he was racing his sports scar and he died,
Speaker 3: and I turned up at the family's house that day,
Speaker 3: knocked on the door, turned up with a photographer trying
Speaker 3: to get a photo of him, you know, just behoging
Speaker 3: it on people's lives. In Australia it's a bit more gentle.
Speaker 3: The media here is more gentle. But again, a journalist
Speaker 3: is a journalist at the end of the day. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, oh, you know, being an escort is
Speaker 3: certain I'm like a saint now, but I actually find
Speaker 3: them a wholesome industry, you know, dealing with people on
Speaker 3: a very raw emotional level, a very human level. And
Speaker 3: I've certainly learned the art of compassion as an escort.
Speaker 3: As a journalist, yes, I was interviewing people about their
Speaker 3: murdered husbands or whatever, and you do have a level
Speaker 3: of compassion. But as a journalist you've always got to
Speaker 3: think at the headline and you know the angle. Whereas
Speaker 3: an escort, apart from the money and the transactional side
Speaker 3: of it, it's another human to another human.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like I mean, Laura and I, even
Speaker 2: just at our little level, have been on the receiving
Speaker 2: end of journalism that's completely fabricated, and it's all the
Speaker 2: headings are clickbait, and if you get to the very
Speaker 2: end of the article, there's one line that is actually truth,
Speaker 2: and that's actually been pulled from what happened to what
Speaker 2: was said. So like we see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're right. Having been a journalist
Speaker 3: and having been someone the journalists right about, I just
Speaker 3: I can see through it.
Speaker 1: Now, how do you find that the media has treated
Speaker 1: you since you've come out very publicly as Samantha X.
Speaker 1: And since you've written your books Hooked being like a
Speaker 1: real expose on the life and what goes on as
Speaker 1: the life of an escort. How do you find the
Speaker 1: media has treated you since then? Because I do remember,
Speaker 1: and I even think back a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: when your book first came out, I was singing Samantha
Speaker 1: X in Daily Mail almost daily for a little while there,
Speaker 1: and I know that it can be really hard being
Speaker 1: sort of front facing of public scrutiny. What was your
Speaker 1: experience with the media like it came in twos?
Speaker 3: Really, it wasn't Daily Mail. The stories weren't bad. It
Speaker 3: was the comments from people. Look, it was horrible, but
Speaker 3: it was also excited. It was horrible to be on
Speaker 3: that side of the of the media, but it also
Speaker 3: became quite addictive, and I can see why you get
Speaker 3: addicted to that. Am I in the press? I'm in
Speaker 3: the press. I'm in the press. And now that's sort
Speaker 3: of petered out. I'm actually really relieved and I don't
Speaker 3: chase the publicisy. I don't want to be in the
Speaker 3: Daily Mail anymore. When I first came out of Samantha,
Speaker 3: it was a bit of a whirlwind. It was quite
Speaker 3: a not dark time for me, but it was I
Speaker 3: was sort of disconnected from what was actually going on.
Speaker 3: And now I've sort of, you know, I've just become
Speaker 3: a bit more chill and I'm happy to take a
Speaker 3: step back.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a juicy question. It was
Speaker 2: something like when I was doing my due diligence and
Speaker 2: doing all my research on you. It's just something that
Speaker 2: I read and I thought so many women would want
Speaker 2: to know about this. It's just about like a confidence thing.
Speaker 2: And I guess in the bedroom there are so many women,
Speaker 2: even with their partners, that are self conscious about their body,
Speaker 2: is conscious about sex. They don't know how to do anything.
Speaker 2: They think that the men are thinking things that they're not.
Speaker 2: And I read a comment that you said about in
Speaker 2: my experience, men's favorite position is the woman on top
Speaker 2: because they're visual. I just want to know, like, what
Speaker 2: is your experience in that, and what can you say
Speaker 2: to people that are self conscious about that in the
Speaker 2: bedroom and what men are actually thinking, because I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure men are not looking at that tiny little role
Speaker 2: on your belly saying, oh my god, there's a role
Speaker 2: I don't want to have sex with it.
Speaker 3: That's such a good question, Rennie, because I am also
Speaker 3: very self conscious, and you know, I don't have a
Speaker 3: perfect body and I'm forty seven. It always makes me smile,
Speaker 3: and I wish women knew that that when they're on
Speaker 3: top with their partners, the men aren't going, oh my god,
Speaker 3: look at a double chin, Oh my god, look at
Speaker 3: a veiny tits, or they're not even thinking. They can't
Speaker 3: even see that, you know, they're just thinking about a
Speaker 3: woman on top of them. Pat They're just grateful to
Speaker 3: have sex, to be honest, and you know, the things
Speaker 3: I don't like about my body a man has never
Speaker 3: commented on, ever, ever, ever commented on. So I think
Speaker 3: the pressure to be per effect doesn't come from men.
Speaker 3: It comes to myself. The sexiest thing about women, I've
Speaker 3: always said is confidence. And they say use is wasted
Speaker 3: on the young. I really get that now the older,
Speaker 3: I get more confident I am. And it's not because
Speaker 3: my body's got better. It's because I've accepted my body,
Speaker 3: you know. And I've had surgery. I mean, I've had boobs,
Speaker 3: job a job, and I've had tweaks here and there.
Speaker 3: But the most sexiest thing a woman can do to
Speaker 3: her body is love her body. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to sound like a Hallmark card, but it's very true.
Speaker 3: And I've learned that not sady because I want validation
Speaker 3: for men, but it's just good for women to know
Speaker 3: that when you're happy and confident within your body automatically
Speaker 3: becomes sexyer.
Speaker 2: What is it that the men are asking for? Like,
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people think that when
Speaker 2: a man wants to hire an escort, there are whips,
Speaker 2: there are handcuffs, there are sex wings, like you're hanging
Speaker 2: from the bed. It's like George of the Jungle. People
Speaker 2: think that it's just like wild laid eggs, you got
Speaker 2: the balls in the mouth. But what is that men
Speaker 2: are actually wanting in the bedroom in terms of is
Speaker 2: it freaky? The positions vanilla and plane and missionary even
Speaker 2: though that's not vanilla, that's actually one of the best
Speaker 2: positions man in my experience, But like, how freaky is
Speaker 2: it or how not freaky is it?
Speaker 3: Okay? So there's a market for all of that bulls
Speaker 3: in the mouth and chains and stuff. I've never been
Speaker 3: exposed to it. It's things like looking in your eyes
Speaker 3: and looking at each other and cuddling basically very normal.
Speaker 3: It's timid, if you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 3: very normal, innocent sex and.
Speaker 2: What would be the most common position requested just out
Speaker 2: of curiosity? This is just like some research on my
Speaker 2: own missionary missionary?
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that? It just goes to show like how
Speaker 1: little awareness I mean me personally, I would have thought
Speaker 1: that it is a whole lot kinkier than this, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes it's the kinky, salacious stories that
Speaker 1: get the attention, and maybe that's why we have this
Speaker 1: perception about this industry that it is a little bit
Speaker 1: more sordid and a little bit more risque. It's so
Speaker 1: interesting to speak to you and also understand that women
Speaker 1: who work in this industry have agency and they can
Speaker 1: choose the type of work that they want to be
Speaker 1: doing as well. What do you think some of the
Speaker 1: biggest stigmas or some of the biggest myths around this
Speaker 1: industry that you would just love love people to know
Speaker 1: that it's not true or to try and rework people's
Speaker 1: frameworks about how they think about the sex industry.
Speaker 3: So I think the number one biggest myth about women
Speaker 3: in this industry is that we're forced to do it
Speaker 3: or doing it against our will, whereas in actual fact,
Speaker 3: there are plenty of women like me who are in
Speaker 3: professional careers, who have left professional careers, are still working
Speaker 3: in them and make an educated decision to be an
Speaker 3: escort as well. And they're not doing it because on
Speaker 3: the breadline or because they've got a drug habit to
Speaker 3: feed or whatever. They're doing it because they enjoy men,
Speaker 3: enjoy the company of men, they have compassion, and they
Speaker 3: want the lifestyle. There's plenty of women I know that
Speaker 3: do that. There are women that you would never even
Speaker 3: guess that are escorts, you know, and it's not the
Speaker 3: ones that look like escorts are either it's the very
Speaker 3: conservative looking school mums or I had a doctor that
Speaker 3: moon lighted as an escort as well. It's all sorts
Speaker 3: of women. That's the number one thing. Number two thing
Speaker 3: I get is that it's a legitimate business. It's a
Speaker 3: legal industry, and it is recognized by the law. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's the oldest profession in the world. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: It's decriminalized. And I hope by the more women and
Speaker 3: men there's men in the industries that the more when
Speaker 3: men and women that speak out about their jobs, the
Speaker 3: less to do it becomes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's important to highlight too that
Speaker 2: there definitely are women out there that are probably not
Speaker 2: doing it by choice and they don't have the opportunity,
Speaker 2: and it is they're in a situation that it is
Speaker 2: unfortunately forced and they feel like they have no other option.
Speaker 2: But it is so nice to also hear that there
Speaker 2: are so many women like you in other professions that
Speaker 2: are like literally putting their hand up to you, saying
Speaker 2: like like, let me do this. I want to get
Speaker 2: amongst this. But I have a question regarding dating life
Speaker 2: out of curiosity, how has been an escort, especially one
Speaker 2: that's been so public because you do have a public profile,
Speaker 2: How has it affected your dating life? Do you think
Speaker 2: it is harder to date and actually have relationships? And
Speaker 2: when you get into a relationship if you do, do
Speaker 2: you stop escorting over that time?
Speaker 3: Yes? And I get poor, so.
Speaker 2: So I'm not in a relationship.
Speaker 3: Ever, they're not paying my bills, which is the common
Speaker 3: problem with women in my industry. We meet someone, they
Speaker 3: say they don't care about the job. You know, they're
Speaker 3: attracted to that exciting side of you. And then when
Speaker 3: things get serious, they want you to stop working. You
Speaker 3: stop working, you get poor, they're not paying your bills,
Speaker 3: and then they turn out to be a bit of
Speaker 3: a dick anyway, so you just get poor and heartbroken.
Speaker 3: That's big, sweeping umbrella's statement, but that's what it's been
Speaker 3: like in my case. I've always struggled with dating and relationships,
Speaker 3: to be honest, which is why I'm a great escort,
Speaker 3: because it's the intimacy. I can handle a couple of
Speaker 3: hours here and there. At night, I'm done, and I
Speaker 3: think at my age as well, my late forties, I
Speaker 3: like my own time, so it really suits my lifestyle
Speaker 3: at the moment. I'm not ruling out a relationship, but
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give up my job again for
Speaker 3: a man. I've made that mistake and it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3: And a lot of women in my position have done
Speaker 3: the same. It doesn't work, you give it up, you
Speaker 3: get resentful, and you're always I love going back. You
Speaker 3: know when I'm ready to stop working, and that that's
Speaker 3: going to be happening soon. I think when I'm ready
Speaker 3: to stop working, then I would be opened to meeting someone.
Speaker 3: But I'm not gonna make the mistake I have in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 2: I think that's important in any industry as well. Like
Speaker 2: I remember I've given like personally, I've given up things
Speaker 2: in the past for a man, and things that I
Speaker 2: had really really wanted to do, I put them on
Speaker 2: hold because I thought it was love and that's what
Speaker 2: you do. And I remember just saying, I will never
Speaker 2: fucking do that again. What a waste of my two
Speaker 2: years of my life.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to You don't have to be an
Speaker 3: escort to do that. I think, you know, you shouldn't
Speaker 3: have to give up anything to be with someone. They
Speaker 3: meet you as you are. You know, obviously there's you evolve,
Speaker 3: But and I completely understand why a man would want
Speaker 3: me to stop working, But it's unrealistic for me to
Speaker 3: give up work on a whim because I've met someone
Speaker 3: and I still the bills haven't changed, my mortgage repayments
Speaker 3: haven't changed, and you know, I would never ask anyone
Speaker 3: else to pay my mortgage for me. So yeah, it's
Speaker 3: really tricky. I think we do it once, then we
Speaker 3: don't do it again.
Speaker 1: We have spoken to quite a bit on this podcast
Speaker 1: in regards to like how when you have sexual relationships
Speaker 1: with someone. That's when like you can kind of start
Speaker 1: there and then feelings can develop. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: in a situation when you have been working as Samantha
Speaker 1: and then you've caught the feels for someone who originally
Speaker 1: started out as a client.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have met someone and I we fell in love.
Speaker 3: And my second book was called Back on Top and
Speaker 3: it describes our relationship. Yeah, we were crazy about each other.
Speaker 3: He was a businessman in Melbourne. But again it didn't
Speaker 3: work because he wanted me to stop working. I didn't
Speaker 3: trust him and it just didn't work. So that it
Speaker 3: very rarely works when that happens. It's not like the
Speaker 3: pretty woman scenario where Richard Gear comes in and sweeps
Speaker 3: you off your feet. It's more complex than that. It
Speaker 3: didn't end too well. But yeah, it was a very
Speaker 3: passionate relationship. But it's a lot of women do fall
Speaker 3: in love with clients and vice versa. The clients fall
Speaker 3: in love with who they think you are.
Speaker 2: We're all for one night stands, We're all for whatever
Speaker 2: you want to do. But for women, I feel like
Speaker 2: it's different. For men, when you start to have sexual relationships,
Speaker 2: you actually almost can't help but to feel something and
Speaker 2: develop something. There's a dopamine here, there's endorphins, and whether
Speaker 2: or not you want to say it like this is
Speaker 2: no strings attached. I feel like after a few times
Speaker 2: subconsciously it starts to develop. So I think that that's
Speaker 2: absolutely normal.
Speaker 1: But I think it also goes to show that, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with your work, like there would I mean,
Speaker 1: you would have such a higher level of being able
Speaker 1: to separate these things out. I think when you say that,
Speaker 1: brit you're talking about for like us in our very
Speaker 1: normal relationships, whereas this isn't a normal relationship. It's a
Speaker 1: work relationship. And I know that it can be kind
Speaker 1: of hard for people. I mean I even sometimes find
Speaker 1: it out a bit difficult to get my head around.
Speaker 1: And it's because it's a world that I've never been
Speaker 1: exposed to. But you must be able to walk into
Speaker 1: these experiences and see some of them quite transactionally. Do
Speaker 1: you ever find it hard to separate your personal world
Speaker 1: from the Samantha world or is it something that you've
Speaker 1: just been doing so long now that you kind of
Speaker 1: go cool, they are so separate to each other.
Speaker 3: I've been doing it so long now, I find very
Speaker 3: easy to disconnect from it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing I find hard now is to reconnect when
Speaker 3: I'm with normal people. Yeah. I mean I can see
Speaker 3: a client and then he said, oh, do you remember
Speaker 3: we saw each other, you know, ten years and I
Speaker 3: just won't remember.
Speaker 1: I do know. There's some guys who I dated it
Speaker 1: and they'll say, hey, we dated ten years ago. If
Speaker 1: I can remember who you are.
Speaker 2: Legitimately. That happens to me too. Or like I'll walk
Speaker 2: around Sydney or a Bondai or something and I'll see
Speaker 2: someone I was like, did we go on a date
Speaker 2: or did I just stalk you on Instagram? Or did
Speaker 2: I see you on Tinder? I don't remember which one.
Speaker 1: Samantha, I have a question, which is around only fans.
Speaker 1: I mean we've spoken about only Fans on the podcast before.
Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, it is gaining a lot
Speaker 1: of momentum. Have you found that only Fans has affected
Speaker 1: or changed your industry at all? And if so, in
Speaker 1: what ways?
Speaker 3: Look I don't really, I mean I have an only
Speaker 3: Fans account. It's very tame, But no, it hasn't because
Speaker 3: the men, in my experience, the men that see me
Speaker 3: aren't looking for an online connection. They want a physical
Speaker 3: connection and a human connection. But only fans is going gangbusters.
Speaker 3: You know, I know women that make a lot of
Speaker 3: money from it, but it's not really a world I
Speaker 3: know too much about. And we have it for our angels.
Speaker 3: We have Samantha X after Dark OnlyFans, but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a world I don't know too much about because of
Speaker 3: my age as well, I'm not comfortable with online stuff
Speaker 3: and I trust it, but I'm more a human person.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about Samantha X angels and what that
Speaker 1: comprises and Samantha X after Dark.
Speaker 3: So smanth Rex after Dark is our business. We have
Speaker 3: an advertising platform for male escorts, for female escorts. We
Speaker 3: sell lingerie and sex toys, and we have the agency,
Speaker 3: so we have women that work for us as escorts. Obviously,
Speaker 3: during lockdown, it was all we had to shut. So
Speaker 3: the thing that did really well was the online sales,
Speaker 3: so lingerie and sex toys went through the roof during COVID.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we have women that work for us, and
Speaker 3: you know, we train them.
Speaker 1: How do you make sure that you guys prioritize safety.
Speaker 1: I guess that this is probably one of the things
Speaker 1: that would be a big fear when you go in.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a big fear with online dating. It's
Speaker 1: a big fear when you meet people in a private
Speaker 1: situation where you've you know, you don't know them apart
Speaker 1: from an online connection. How do you prioritize your own
Speaker 1: safety but also people safety who work for you under
Speaker 1: Samantha X after Dark, Well.
Speaker 3: It's probably safer than online dating. You know, we check
Speaker 3: their phone number against an app. We check their phone
Speaker 3: numbers with other women if we need to other girls
Speaker 3: in the industry. We get a real idea of who
Speaker 3: they are we are. Sometimes we ask them to pay
Speaker 3: deposits so we have their bank details. We don't get
Speaker 3: all that on Tinder. And also I take the bookings
Speaker 3: for the Angels, myself and my business partner Vanessa, and
Speaker 3: we know exactly what we're looking for, and we know
Speaker 3: exactly kind of client we want, and we say no
Speaker 3: to a lot of clients. So we do our due diligence.
Speaker 3: And I would never send a girl to see a
Speaker 3: client that I wouldn't see myself. So we have never
Speaker 3: touched word had an issue. I always say to the women,
Speaker 3: the men and more terrified, and they are the absolutely
Speaker 3: terrified when you turn up.
Speaker 1: I guess another question that I have which I'm curious
Speaker 1: about is safety around STIs what do you do with
Speaker 1: your clients or how do you manage your own sexual
Speaker 1: health when it comes to having several different clients or
Speaker 1: you know, making sure that that's something that's a priority.
Speaker 3: I guess, well, I get tested every three months, and
Speaker 3: I know the girls do too. I've never caught coal
Speaker 3: off a client. Obviously, condoms we use, and so it
Speaker 3: will probably safer than the average women who if you
Speaker 3: meet at a bar and you have unprotected sex, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. I don't know. I don't do that, but
Speaker 3: the clients obviously are very particular as well. They don't
Speaker 3: want to catch anything or get anyone pregnant. I've never
Speaker 3: had to be in a situation really where I've said
Speaker 3: to a client, what's that thing on your day? And
Speaker 3: I know there are girls that have been and they
Speaker 3: just don't see the client. You know, It's amazing though.
Speaker 3: Men don't care. They actually don't care. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, if they had something on their dick, they don't care.
Speaker 2: They still just try and wam bam, thank you ma'am.
Speaker 3: Some will try and oh do we have to use
Speaker 3: a condom. I'm like, don't you I might have something.
Speaker 3: I don't care, I might get pregnant. They just don't care. Yeah. No,
Speaker 3: I mean it's a very safe industry in that way.
Speaker 3: Sex work is probably the safest women you could have
Speaker 3: sex with because they get tested all the time.
Speaker 2: In terms of you saying that you train your angels
Speaker 2: and obviously, I mean, I guess it's like any job
Speaker 2: that you want to train people on the job and
Speaker 2: you want them to understand your business and your industry.
Speaker 2: What does training look like for you guys in the industry.
Speaker 2: Is it more I mean, are you actually saying what
Speaker 2: to do in the bedroom? Or is it more how
Speaker 2: to manage the men and speak to them, or or
Speaker 2: what talk me through that?
Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't discuss sex at all really
Speaker 3: with the girls. You know, what goes on in the
Speaker 3: bedroom is their business. There's nothing to do with me.
Speaker 3: I have never once, I don't think I've ever talked
Speaker 3: about low jobs or anything. For the girls. It's more
Speaker 3: to do with how to dress. You know, the logistics
Speaker 3: of how to get the client to the hotel room.
Speaker 3: The money's that, you know, if he based by credit
Speaker 3: card or logistics of that, or how to greet him
Speaker 3: in public. I also speak to him about if something
Speaker 3: doesn't feel right when you walk into the room walk out,
Speaker 3: you know, we always have your back. You will never
Speaker 3: have to justify to us. We're always on her side, always, always,
Speaker 3: always never. You know, we're always going to take old
Speaker 3: women's side, and these aren't. I'm not talking about eighteen
Speaker 3: yeard girls. We're talking about thirty five, forty five, fifty
Speaker 3: year old women. Yeah, you know they've there. We don't
Speaker 3: even to well young girls etiquettes what to wear, what
Speaker 3: not to wear, and what to wear is usually corporate.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. And do you think that older women or
Speaker 2: more mature women more requested and in demand than younger women.
Speaker 3: The biggest request we have is for women over forty.
Speaker 3: What the men tell me is they want someone they
Speaker 3: can talk to you. They want someone with life experience,
Speaker 3: you know, which goes to my point that it's not
Speaker 3: about having the perfect body and not about you know,
Speaker 3: being sexual. It's about life experience, about warmth, it's about compassion.
Speaker 3: These are things that of women as we age, or
Speaker 3: ep human as we age, we get more of being
Speaker 3: around the block. A few times to know how to
Speaker 3: make someone feel comfortable. And for women that age, it's
Speaker 3: not one bank get out so I can go with
Speaker 3: my mates. It's like, you know, the women are enjoying
Speaker 3: it too. You can bring water the table, I think,
Speaker 3: and I think men feel more comfortable.
Speaker 2: Are there a lot of public profiles in Australia? Athletes
Speaker 2: or people we would know that use your services.
Speaker 3: While I can never give names, obviously we have. We
Speaker 3: have a Hollywood celebrity, huge, huge Bollywood celempty that comes
Speaker 3: when it comes to town. He books my girls and
Speaker 3: I can't say too much about him except that he
Speaker 3: was heating McDonald's up in the microwave. Why well, because
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how much money someone can have. The
Speaker 3: best hotel in Australia probably were the best access to
Speaker 3: the best food and wine. They had to bring with
Speaker 3: a microwave to his suite so he could heat up
Speaker 3: his big mac.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is amazing. I wish we could
Speaker 1: know names. We want to move on to sobriety. Now
Speaker 1: you are sober. You're having sober for a little while.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure how long, So tell us about that.
Speaker 1: When did you decide to go sober, and why.
Speaker 3: Because I was getting past the stage where it was
Speaker 3: just a few drinks. You know. I wasn't drinking in
Speaker 3: the morning or anything like that, but it was becoming
Speaker 3: a problem for me in the way that my life
Speaker 3: is unraveling a little bit. And I wasn't really control
Speaker 3: of myself when I was drinking, and it was very
Speaker 3: much to champagne lifestyle. It wasn't going to end up well.
Speaker 3: So I was very lucky to nip it in the bud.
Speaker 3: And I'm part of a twelve step program and it's
Speaker 3: the best thing I ever did. Getting sober was the
Speaker 3: best and the hardest thing I've ever done. Writing a
Speaker 3: book about being an escort and coming out to Australia,
Speaker 3: it was nothing compared to getting sober. So Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: been sober for more or less on and off a
Speaker 3: few years now. It's the best thing I overdid. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you find that you had to drink or you
Speaker 2: felt like you needed to drink before you went to
Speaker 2: see a client? Was that part of it?
Speaker 3: No? No, I didn't need to drink before a job.
Speaker 3: But I would always drink on the job and have
Speaker 3: a glass of wine. But the thing is a glass
Speaker 3: of wine turns into a bottle of wine. Do that
Speaker 3: five times a week? You know, it's a lot of alcohol.
Speaker 3: And I can't handle my alcohol. I could never handle
Speaker 3: it the best of times. And then I would hold
Speaker 3: it together for the client and then come home and
Speaker 3: drink or just use alcohol in a way that wasn't healthy.
Speaker 1: Did you find it all that when you were drinking
Speaker 1: it impacted your ability to make good decisions when you
Speaker 1: were in that environment. So when you were escorting, did
Speaker 1: you find that you would wake up the next day
Speaker 1: and be like, fuck, I really wish I didn't do that,
Speaker 1: or I didn't say that, or you know, because I
Speaker 1: know that, like for myself when I was drinking my
Speaker 1: twenty is the biggest part of it for me was
Speaker 1: waking up with alcohol guilt and feeling like the things
Speaker 1: I'd done the night before I was. I felt shameful
Speaker 1: for her, I was embarrassed about. Was that something that
Speaker 1: you were dealing with as well?
Speaker 3: Enormously? Yeah, and I was. It wasn't so much what
Speaker 3: I was doing, It was a feeling, you know, feeling disgusting,
Speaker 3: feeling worthless, feeling shameful in my real life as well.
Speaker 3: So I really struggled with that and took me to
Speaker 3: some dark places, some very dark places. Making the decision
Speaker 3: to go sober. I wasn't really all my decision. My
Speaker 3: friends were really worried about me. And you know, if
Speaker 3: I say, if you don't think you have a problem
Speaker 3: with alcohol, tried giving up. And since I've given up,
Speaker 3: my life has completely changed inside out. Even though I
Speaker 3: look has changed my skin, I'm definitely more grounded now.
Speaker 3: I shudder at some of the things I said or
Speaker 3: I did. It's more than a cringe. It's a mortification
Speaker 3: that I've said some of those things.
Speaker 1: But we do live in such a culture and such
Speaker 1: a society that we're heroes, so drinking it makes it
Speaker 1: so hard, even just going out with friends. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the time it's unintentional peer pressure
Speaker 1: as well, where people like, oh, just have one drink
Speaker 1: because nobody wants to be the one drinking on their own,
Speaker 1: so you always want your friend to have a glass
Speaker 1: of wine with you, and that can be the thing
Speaker 1: that adds to people's pressure around moderation. I think like
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, moderation doesn't exist. When you
Speaker 1: say it was harder, it was harder to go sober
Speaker 1: than what it was, to come out as an escort,
Speaker 1: publicly come out as an escort. Why what was it
Speaker 1: that made it so hard to give up?
Speaker 3: Well, when you stop drinking, you have to deal with
Speaker 3: the problems that cause you to drink in the first place.
Speaker 3: Will you rip the band aid off? And you think, well,
Speaker 3: I can either work through this or I can carry
Speaker 3: on masking it. And when you work through the pain
Speaker 3: that you felt or feel, that masks the reasons why
Speaker 3: you drank that that's really challenging. And the easiest thing
Speaker 3: to do would be to start drinking again. And alcohol
Speaker 3: is everywhere everywhere, so saying no to that takes a
Speaker 3: lot of strength. But to me, I just play it forward.
Speaker 3: If I say yes to that drink, two weeks later,
Speaker 3: I'll be back to where I was, and I just
Speaker 3: don't want to be in that sad place. It wasn't
Speaker 3: going to end up well, it was not going to
Speaker 3: end up well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on today, Samantha. I
Speaker 2: could literally speak to you for hours.
Speaker 3: Really, maybe you should book me for a few hours.
Speaker 2: And there's that savvy business woman. I love it, Samantha.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming for being a part
Speaker 1: of Lafeon Cartes, for sharing your story, and it's just
Speaker 1: been a pleasure interviewing you. It. There's so much about
Speaker 1: the world that you work in that for Britta and I,
Speaker 1: we both it's so foreign to us, and you've definitely
Speaker 1: destigmatized a lot of things for us today as well,
Speaker 1: so we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks Dora. If you're looking for a career change, let
Speaker 3: me know.
Speaker 1: Matt, we're going to make a thousand, three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a night, let's go.
Speaker 3: I al really appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Thanks Samantha.
Speaker 1: It is time for our second favorite part. Actually it's
Speaker 1: like a third favorite. Everything's our favorite part of this
Speaker 1: episode where we talk about our suck and our sweet.
Speaker 1: Now suck and our sweet is just a high light
Speaker 1: and our low light of each and every week. And
Speaker 1: if you guys aren't doing this with your friends or
Speaker 1: your family, we highly recommend. It's such a nice way
Speaker 1: of unpacking the week that's just been and figuring out
Speaker 1: what's something that you're super grateful for and something that
Speaker 1: you wish fucking didn't happen.
Speaker 2: I actually did this with my nephew this week. He's
Speaker 2: too and he said that his favorite part of his
Speaker 2: sweet of the week was that he played in the
Speaker 2: sandbox with his friend. It's preschool. I love it. I'm
Speaker 2: absolutely here for it, but I'll kickstart it. My suck
Speaker 2: of the week was that I have come up to
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast and I'm just here for a few days,
Speaker 2: and I was catching up with my best friend. And
Speaker 2: I have my best friend since we were five years old,
Speaker 2: so we have been best friends for a very long time.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen her for a very long time, so
Speaker 2: we booked a dinner, me, Sherry, and her. We got
Speaker 2: to the dinner. I was so excited. We'd ordered one drink.
Speaker 2: We were just about to order the food when she
Speaker 2: gets a phone call that one of her little baby
Speaker 2: She's got two little kids, one of them was so
Speaker 2: sick that she had to go home. So our catch
Speaker 2: up lasted for I mean, the drink only just came.
Speaker 2: She scolded the drink, and then she had to leave.
Speaker 2: So that was definitely my suck was that, you know,
Speaker 2: we were after years of not catching up, we finally
Speaker 2: got the chance, but her little one got sick. So
Speaker 2: definitely my suck. I mean, that's life, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh Man? I feel sorry for hers. First thing, going
Speaker 1: to say this, I hate that every time you say
Speaker 1: anything negative about motherhood as a mum, you always feel
Speaker 1: like you need to preface it with like, oh, motherhood
Speaker 1: has so many great things, but it's also has these
Speaker 1: really trying and challenging times. Of course, as mums were
Speaker 1: grateful for all the great things, but there are definitely
Speaker 1: times where you just think, God, man, I wish that
Speaker 1: life was a little bit less complicated and I got
Speaker 1: to just be selfish for a day and I got
Speaker 1: to just take care of me. You know, I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for her.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I felt way more sorry for her than me.
Speaker 2: Like she ended up in the hospital all night, her
Speaker 2: little kid had she had to go on a nebulize
Speaker 2: her and it was really bad. But yeah, like the
Speaker 2: suck wasn't really for me. The suck was like obviously
Speaker 2: I couldn't see her, but yeah, that night for her
Speaker 2: was disaster, Like I got to go home alone and
Speaker 2: she had to go spend it in a hospital.
Speaker 1: So man, really pulled out the suck there, Brittany, how's
Speaker 1: your sweet Well, Like, usually I don't have sucks. Usually
Speaker 1: they're so stupid, Like I stopped my toe but this
Speaker 1: was a big one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: My sweet is also the fact, the same thing, basically
Speaker 2: in reverse, that I am up here. I did get
Speaker 2: to see Sherry, I got to see my brother who
Speaker 2: I haven't seen in over a year. My nephew who's
Speaker 2: only so small he barely recognizes me because I haven't
Speaker 2: seen him in over a year. So just the fact
Speaker 2: that I got to reconnect, which was really nice.
Speaker 1: I think that that is going to be the sweet
Speaker 1: for so many people this week, the next, like, for
Speaker 1: like the next month. Just feeling like all of these things,
Speaker 1: all of these connections that have had to happen over
Speaker 1: zoom for the past four months, all the past two years,
Speaker 1: just being able to see people and touch people in
Speaker 1: real life is so fulfilling and amazing. My suck for
Speaker 1: the week, I've had the fucking best week, and I'm
Speaker 1: like not even afraid to shout it out. Okay, my
Speaker 1: suck for the week was sobernign, so nothing. I bought
Speaker 1: a coffee from the coffee shop that I love and
Speaker 1: they didn't put the lid on it properly and it's
Speaker 1: spilt all through my car and all down my clothes.
Speaker 1: The other day, very entertaining.
Speaker 2: It's a huge suck. That is huge.
Speaker 1: I'm like the one person I guess so excited about
Speaker 1: my morning coffee. It's like my one little treat, and
Speaker 1: it was like it did me dirty. Okay, but my
Speaker 1: sweet I have so many of them. Last week was
Speaker 1: a huge week for Tony May. We launched a new
Speaker 1: collection and nothing like Goot said on fire or broke
Speaker 1: down or everything just.
Speaker 2: Went went well.
Speaker 1: Love that well, yeah, sometimes it can be so anti
Speaker 1: climatic because you can put so much time and energy
Speaker 1: and effort into something and then it doesn't turn out
Speaker 1: how you expect. But it was really fulfilling to be
Speaker 1: able to kind of get that out into the world.
Speaker 1: Then my other huge sweet, which is like by far
Speaker 1: the biggest one, was that I got to see my
Speaker 1: mom and my stepdad on the weekend. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: them for months and months and months. They haven't seen
Speaker 1: Lola since she was two months old and she's now
Speaker 1: eight months, so it was huge for us. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was just so nice being able to be together
Speaker 1: as a family. It meant the absolute world to me.
Speaker 1: So that is my suck and my sweet. The suck
Speaker 1: is pretty trivial, but the sweet were really big highs
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you just said, those suites is going
Speaker 2: to be everyone. Everyone is going to start to feel
Speaker 2: that the coming weeks and the coming months, and I'm
Speaker 2: so excited for everyone to have that.
Speaker 1: We're so happy for you guys, like honestly, for every
Speaker 1: single person who's been struggling through this lockdown. I just,
Speaker 1: I honestly can't be more happy for all of you,
Speaker 1: for us as well, but like for all of you,
Speaker 1: I know how many people are in our Life on
Speaker 1: Cut community have been doing it tough and have been
Speaker 1: really missing seeing their friends and families. So I'm so
Speaker 1: stoked for you guys as well.
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