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Speaker 1: Mayos Stewart is the Wallaroos all time leading tri scorer,

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Speaker 1: a special feat made all the more impressive considering she

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Speaker 1: only picked up her first rugby union ball at eighteen

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Speaker 1: years old. As a child, Mayo always had the need

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Speaker 1: for speed, so when the first season of the Superb

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Speaker 1: was shown on TV, they thought it was something she'd

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Speaker 1: give a crap. Little did she know she would become

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Speaker 1: a key member of the new South Wales Warrator's side,

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Speaker 1: he would go on to become the most successful team

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Speaker 1: in SUPERB history, and that she would have finish her

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season as Wallaroo's Player of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sophie the producer here at teepapp and this week

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Speaker 1: we welcome Wallaroo winger Mayo Stewart to the podcast. Just

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Speaker 1: a quick note, Ploe caught up with Mayo last week

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Speaker 1: before the Wallaro's first Test match of the year, but

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Speaker 1: in that match against Fiji, Mayo was injured. The well

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Speaker 1: she won't get to play this weekend against New Zealan.

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Speaker 1: We've got all our tea, fat fingers and toes crossed

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Speaker 1: for her return as soon as possible. In this chat,

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Speaker 1: chlohen Mayor chat all things rugby union and what it

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Speaker 1: means to have such a quick rise in the sport

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Speaker 1: after overcoming two ACL injuries along the way.

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Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this episode.

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Speaker 3: Less Stuart, Welcome to the Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't really know where we're going to go.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, we're going to go a bit rogue. Today.

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Speaker 2: Could be anything good.

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Speaker 3: Anything at all, but I'm excited. We'll chat about superw

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Speaker 3: and winning and all those things. But we're going to

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Speaker 3: go back. We always start going back to your childhood.

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Speaker 3: Can you describe yourself as a little kid.

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Speaker 2: God like a little pot belly running around, short, little

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Speaker 2: sort of pomboyish hair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of five kids, yes, Yeah, grew up playing heaps

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Speaker 2: of sport, which was really good. I think, very energetic

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Speaker 2: but grateful. Mum and dad would drive me literally anywhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and being one of five, you know that means dad's

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Speaker 2: going this way, explain that way. Yeah, but yeah, very

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Speaker 2: active active household. Yeah, grew up around sport.

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Speaker 3: All five kids played sport.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Older sister sort of started in sport and

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Speaker 2: then went down all the beauty route I see you later, okay.

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Speaker 2: But the rest of us yeah, very active, all touch footy, netball, nippers, athletics,

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Speaker 2: you name it, we did it. I think really good though,

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Speaker 2: like put us really good values and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: being siblings are highly competitive, so bragging rout dinner table.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what is their big gaps between you? All are close?

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Speaker 2: Pretty big gap with me and my older sister, she's

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Speaker 2: thirty five yr gap me twenty five, younger sister and

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Speaker 2: I sixteen months apart, so that was really cool though

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Speaker 2: playing sport, I played up a little bit with my

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Speaker 3: Five years are well with mum and mum.

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Speaker 2: And dad in our mixed touch team or the ladies

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Speaker 2: then younger sister and I sixteen months apart, so when

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Speaker 2: we would play touch footy it would be like every

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Speaker 2: second year we'd get to play together. Yeah cool, So

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Speaker 2: next year, yeah yeah, really cool. And then five year

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Speaker 2: gap again with my little brother only brother. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then youngest sister Luca, who's sixteen months apart with my brother.

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Speaker 2: So there's a few five year gaps in there.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, well, yeah, there's some consistent, weird, consistent.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on, but here we are.

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Speaker 3: It is actually quite criminal that you were born in

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Speaker 3: the year two thousand. I know.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like that. Yeah, I don't feel like

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Speaker 2: a two thousand baby. I think having an older sister, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I grew up listening to all of her music, doing

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Speaker 2: N twenty five this year, I actually was like, no,

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Speaker 2: this's no, don't say that. No, you can't say that.

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Speaker 2: I keep looking at as like, no to peak peaking.

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Speaker 3: Now, I actually reckon. I reckon mid to late twenties

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Speaker 2: Well, a bit of frontal low development. I actually feel

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Speaker 2: I just feel like a bit more maturity, a different Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that touch footy. Was that your main

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Speaker 2: I got older, it just got easier to sort of be.

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Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm you know, when things clush, yes, you're

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with touch footy or Nippers. I really

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Speaker 2: Well I did. I didn't do like little athletics growing

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Speaker 2: State athletics, I just found yourself found yeah, well on

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Speaker 2: but yes, I just remember Dad's sort of saying to me,

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Speaker 2: I just didn't really enjoy that as much. I probably

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Speaker 2: like I reckon, there's girls training for this, Like you

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Speaker 2: So I did and I did enjoy it, but ended

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Speaker 3: We met nationals?

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Speaker 3: In which event one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred meter, which was really we want gold? In the

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Speaker 2: four by one. There were some pretty classy names in

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Speaker 2: that Christy Edwards Okay, Riley Day wow.

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Speaker 2: So it was pretty cool. It was a very competitive

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Speaker 2: but I just don't think it wasn't for you.

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Speaker 3: Nah, when did rugby first come onto the radar.

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Speaker 2: I grew up around dad playing Obviously, I'm one of five,

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Speaker 2: Queensland like all schools almost yep, let's go with that

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Speaker 2: CCC playing for CCC.

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Speaker 3: Is that that what CCC? Is that the Catholic one?

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Speaker 2: like awesome. I've been picked up in this touch boody

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Speaker 2: player sort of faith Nathan, that sort of career og yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: of here, like one game. Yeah. I just came back

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Speaker 2: to touch foody and was like, all right, the knees

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Speaker 2: picked up the rugby union ball in twenty eighteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but at the same club as my dad and our family,

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Speaker 2: the sevens ago obviously after you guys in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I think that inspired more than a few. But he

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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you can play sevens, but you're absolutely

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Speaker 2: not gonna just play sevens. You'll be playing fifteens. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, like, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: this is right for me, Like why why do you

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Speaker 2: want me to play fifteen's type thing? But he was like,

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Speaker 2: more like He's like, just stick with it, give it

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Speaker 2: a go. You're doing both. Met Chee chee at the

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Speaker 2: War Tars in Newcastle and that was kind of it,

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Speaker 2: like you're in footy and then played on that aon

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Speaker 2: sort of tour and then got picked up by the

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Speaker 2: Tars and the rest is almost.

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Speaker 3: History and Cheach Barker for people who don't know, just

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Speaker 3: just retired after a very very impressive career at the

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Speaker 3: Tars played to Mazzie Seven's cheach yep, yeah, d when

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Speaker 3: was absolute legend of the game. When was your war

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Speaker 2: So I just remember being at the preseason like still

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Speaker 2: in the same mentality like not sure, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this is right for me. Coming back from training,

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Speaker 2: I drive the three hours from Nelson Bay two, which

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Speaker 2: is wild. So by once I had made that squad,

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Speaker 2: me and Chech was sort of doing that drive together.

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Speaker 2: and with like tag team, like all right, you're driving

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Speaker 2: things within your position, you sort of better everyone around you.

436
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 2: But I think I was just so young and probably

437
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: like this is what you know, it's like for everyone.

438
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's such a successful side and obviously we

439
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 2: would make up a big part of the Wallaroos squad.

440
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: But there's definitely like a mentality and like a warrtile

441
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 2: way that sort of doesn't really get spoken about. It's

442
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 2: just it's there and it's natural, which is really cool.

443
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: I think for like the younger girls coming in as well,

444
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 2: Like we've got some really young girls Wayadia Ellis, Kaylen Holmes,

445
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 2: Millie Parker, Ruby, Anderson Winker, Like we've got lots of

446
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: young girls coming through. River was kind of our head

447
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: coach was kind of like me, so you know, you'll

448
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: be mentoring a few girls, and I'm like, wait, what,

449
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: Like I started in that position, so it's really cool

450
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: to sort of stay within an organization and I guess

451
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 2: come through it and almost be on the other side

452
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 2: of it. Like I like that you're in a position

453
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: now to help someone who was once you, which is

454
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: really cool. So, yeah, what is.

455
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: Your approach when you're mentoring some of these young kids.

456
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty a pretty happy go lucky guy, Like

457
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm really relaxed, but I also like to have a joke.

458
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: So kaylen Holst loves hanging around me, but I have

459
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 2: to not allow her to be too silly at times, Okay,

460
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: But also like I want them to be able to

461
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: enjoy themselves there, like understanding like when it's time to

462
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: switch on a laugh and you know, like different parts

463
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 2: of I don't know, that's kind of part of it,

464
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 2: like knowing when you got to lock in and when

465
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: you're allowed to have a bit of a laugh and

466
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: have fun. You don't want to feel like it's that

467
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: high pressure environment.

468
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: All the time.

469
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted to feel comfortable in that space, be

470
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: able to be themselves. And I think like with the

471
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 2: girls that we have there, we're all getting a bit

472
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: a bit older. No, but like when I first came

473
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: in there was like Arabella McKenzie, myself, who else was there?

474
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: Briety Yeah, like a few girls who have almost seen

475
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: through that cycle, got Yeah, So mentoring them it's almost

476
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: like you think of yourself back then and things you

477
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: enjoyed and things you didn't enjoy, and how you can

478
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: make it as comfortable as it can be for those girls.

479
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 2: I guess I like that.

480
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk about your twenty twenty four

481
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: season with the Wallaros Our national team. You were named

482
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: Walaru's Player of the Year. You broke the record for

483
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: the most tries scored by a wallaruz player. You guys

484
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 3: won the WXV two competition, and you were named Wallaru's

485
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: Try of the Year for your epic try against way Alos.

486
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: But most notably, that try was shared by Sissa on

487
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: her stories.

488
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: That was literally such a pinch me like moment. I'm

489
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: sitting in the living room and my sister is my

490
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: younger sister, her Luca. I'm like, oh, like it can

491
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: be quite painful at times, you know, like sorry, Luca,

492
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: big child Sindrome, Like, oh gosh, I love her. But

493
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm twenty five and she's sixteen. That's where

494
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: we're at. Yeah, So she's calling me. I'm like, I'm

495
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: not answering this right now, sorry, Luca. And then I'm

496
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 2: on my phone and I'm flicking through stories. Obviously I

497
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: follow Sissar of course yes, and I'm like, wit what

498
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: And I swiped back and I was like, oh my god,

499
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: and I stood up off the lounge. My boyfriend and

500
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: his family are looking at me like, I'm like, what's happened,

501
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: Like who's died? Like something wrong? Like I was like,

502
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're looking at me, and I was like, well,

503
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: I was like what, like, just say what's happened. I

504
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: was like, she had me on the story. I was like,

505
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe this, Like genuinely, I'm standing there

506
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: like disbelieve I'm answering my sister's face time. Cool, She's

507
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: answered me, answer me. That is exactly what she wanted

508
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: to tell me. My phone's blowing up. Our Wartars group

509
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: chat is of course blowing up. I just kind of

510
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: sat there and was like what, Like this is so cool.

511
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: But I guess for like all the kids out there,

512
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: that's the reach that Rugby has, Like that global platform

513
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 2: is like I don't know, unreal, You're planning in a

514
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: test match against Wales in South Africa and somehow Sissar

515
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: who's in America has seen your posts, Like I just yeah, I.

516
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: Kind of like, does she write anything on the story?

517
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: Or she literally just reshared it. Do you have sure

518
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: you have? We need this?

519
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: My screaming record had to screen record it because I

520
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: was like, no one's gonna believe me. This is not

521
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: a story you can just you know, all off the tongue.

522
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: And because it was posted by Rugby Passed, there was

523
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: no like Scissa has reshared like your story type notification.

524
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 2: But if I had collaborated on that host, I think

525
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: I could have potentially slid into her DMS better. It

526
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to be a message.

527
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: Request, So did you try?

528
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Well? Embarrassingly enough, I had a previous.

529
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 3: Oh no about what? Yes. I think it might have

530
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: been my love this song of yours.

531
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it might have said something like that,

532
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: which is really embarrassing. But it might have been when

533
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: our album was coming out and I wanted to merch

534
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, please can you like release merch to

535
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Australia And then they.

536
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: Might be Okay, that's an invisible request. You're not like

537
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 3: asking for her to like get your backstage.

538
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: It might have been another one that was like I

539
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: love you like, but I was like then I responded

540
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: again and was like, please undergo in this story like

541
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: it was what.

542
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: Did you want from her?

543
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like, hey, talk to me lovely.

544
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah it's me, Yeah, like something like that. But it's

545
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: really cool, Like I don't know, I just can't believe.

546
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: I was sitting there on my lounge and that's what happened.

547
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: It was the night before our Force game, so we

548
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: were bumping scissor in the change room. The next day,

549
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: everyone was vibing out. Group chat was going off like

550
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: it was unreal.

551
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: I love that.

552
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

553
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: But on a serious note, your performance in the twenty

554
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: twenty four season, where did it come from?

555
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: I think it's a tough one. Like we spent so

556
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: much time not playing footy during that COVID period that

557
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: it sort of gives you that like drive and desire,

558
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: not that like you ever should have played, but it's

559
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 2: like it's a that missed opportunity like that would have

560
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: been like when I was twenty through to twenty two. Yeah,

561
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: did my ACL and then rolled into that World Cup.

562
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: So it hasn't been like the best of I don't know,

563
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: sort of a build up, I guess, yeah it was.

564
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: It's been a tricky sort of path for me. Weirdly enough,

565
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: you roll off like that then into a like season

566
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: ending injury, hoping that you're gonna get to the World Cup,

567
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think I was such a I was

568
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: in such a different mentality. Then you're like in that

569
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: rehab zone, like yeah, I don't know, you're you're selfish

570
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: because you're.

571
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: Like like your hard to feel like it's all you got, Yeah,

572
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: you have to be And then ended up going away

573
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: and debuting at that World Cup. But I guess it's

574
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 4: not like it's awesome that you get to tick that

575
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: off and achieve that, but it's you're not like expressing

576
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: yourself or playing the footy that you sort of want to.

577
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: It's like you're there and you've done it, but kind

578
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: of in your little your box. And I think I

579
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 4: was just a different athlete then. So having some time in.

580
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: The suit like in the Superworld and just being able

581
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: to get back to playing footy again sort of finding

582
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: i don't know, finding your feet again and sort of

583
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: nutting it out again, like it's almost like you start again. Yeah,

584
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: but coming off the back of a few good seasons.

585
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: There some wins obviously with the Tars that were special,

586
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: but the takeover and coaches too, it was just refreshing,

587
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: like a different perspective on the game, Like I said

588
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: to you before looking at the back of lineouts and analyzing,

589
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: probably watching a whole lot more tape and having more

590
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: respect for like that element of the game. I think

591
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: you sort of rely on a bit of your natural

592
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: ability foot work as an outside back that you don't

593
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: really understand the knowledge piece, So just trying to expose

594
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: myself to different aspects of the game and then playing

595
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: consistent footy, like being able to what did we play

596
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: last year, like ten test matches I think the most

597
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: than yeah, ever, the most ever, which was like I

598
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: think it showed in our performances as well. We sort

599
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: of struggle with that. You come together after a superseason

600
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: and you're trying to like work it out almost like

601
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: your DNA and who makes that ward and combinations things

602
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: like that. So just more time together, knowing the players

603
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: around you, understanding different aspects of the game sort of

604
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: like all contribute to that. But I would say as well,

605
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: probably respecting like that part of the game more, but

606
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: also recovery and things like that, Like it sounds so lame,

607
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: but just not everything's done on the training paddoic like

608
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: understanding going on and watching tapers is knowledge as well

609
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: or recovering or I don't know, even sort of mid

610
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: super season we nutted out some stuff. I sat in

611
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: the room at TARS with Freddy Bella myself, and it

612
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: was like you review a game, but being able to

613
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: go in there with a center and a fly half like, yeah,

614
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm not looking at things that they're looking at. Yeah,

615
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: of course, because they're not looking at things that I'm

616
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: looking at either. So it was nice to be able

617
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: to sort of look at things like that and be

618
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: like expose yourself to different parts of the game, like, Okay,

619
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: Bella's seeing this, but I'm seeing this, or Freddy's seeing this.

620
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: Have we thought about this, like sort of pulled that

621
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Western Force game apart and I don't know, like different perspective.

622
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: I think that was probably my massive learning for twenty

623
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty four. It's not all about you know, numbers and

624
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: Dana and that sort of that stuff takes care of itself,

625
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: like you work hard and that's there, but probably tapping

626
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: into other parts of the game that I haven't before.

627
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: I like that.

628
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a bit, more full time has allowed for that.

629
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: I'm not a childcare like I'm not doing stuff like that.

630
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: As the child or as the well.

631
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: As the educator. But that's the thing. You know, you

632
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: work a day and then you rock up at training

633
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: and you're sort of almost surviving. Like it's so different,

634
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: so different, like what you can do with your time,

635
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: like even using my time better, like sitting there with Will,

636
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: my boyfriend who's a front roller, and he's talking about

637
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: other aspects of the game too. Like I feel like

638
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: I just didn't have that. It was almost like go

639
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: go go.

640
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: You didn't actually have the capacity to be doing the

641
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: like optional extras in a way, and.

642
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: They shouldn't probably be optional. It should be something that

643
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: you know we're all doing. But like like I said,

644
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: work yeah, nine to five, Like it's just it's something

645
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: that probably is easy to push away because you're surviving.

646
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: So that was like I guess, eye opening in that sense,

647
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: like what it means to probably be a more semi

648
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: professional athlete, having that flexibility and tapping into areas that

649
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: I haven't been familiar with. Yeah, I think that contributed

650
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: a lot to my twenty twenty four. But I think

651
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: the team as well, with the continuity piece, like just

652
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: being together more, playing more footy. Obviously we got relegated

653
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: to WXB two, which I think as well was tough

654
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: for the group. Yeah, you just sort of pride yourself

655
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: on being in that top tier, but you know, it's

656
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: sort of allowed for us to learn how to win

657
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: some games, close out games as well.

658
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: Yes, which is a really important I reckon that's so undervalued.

659
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: Is one hundred percent? Agree with you? Yeah?

660
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, twenty twenty three. I know we just chanted

661
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, but I want to go back to

662
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. So after the FIFA Women's World Cup,

663
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: or during the FIFA Women's World Cup, as a playing group,

664
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: you shared a collective statement on your Instagram calling out

665
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: the treatment of you guys as women's players. How did

666
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: you come to a decision as a playing group to

667
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: do that and what were the results off the back

668
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: of it?

669
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: It was pretty tricky, like it was. The results of

670
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: the back were that we ended up in the position

671
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: that we are now, which should have happened a lot earlier.

672
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: But it was a really hard thing to do because

673
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: you know, you dedicate your time to rugby and it

674
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: feels so like almost f as like you're cheating on them. Yeah,

675
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: like you're like, like I love this, but this isn't

676
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: good enough. And the playing group almost sort of came

677
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: to that, like by the end of that and we

678
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: looked at it and it was like, Okay, if we

679
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: do this, we're all in, Like everybody has to want

680
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: to do this, and that's the route that we took.

681
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: But it was brave and it sounds so weird, but

682
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: like it was a lot of it was just done

683
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: massive group calls like it was really it felt like

684
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: it had been brewing for some time, but when it

685
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: all came together, it was just it had gotten to

686
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: that point where it just had to happen. But there

687
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: was a few of us who were like quite passionate

688
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: about it. Obviously, like I said before, people are at

689
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: work and people have things to do, so it was

690
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: kind of cool, like we nutted out like who would

691
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: be best at putting this together within our space. We

692
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: had lawyers, we had girls who work in I don't know, finance,

693
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: Like everyone sort of brought what they had to the

694
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: table and it was like, how can we put this

695
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: together in the right way and do this and you know,

696
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: still stay on track and get what we want out

697
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: of it. But it was. It was so brave and

698
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: I'm so glad we did that. It did not feel

699
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: right at the time though, it felt really wrong, and

700
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: we sort of didn't know the consequences either. But I

701
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: think we almost forced their hand, Like the things that

702
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: we were saying were bare minimum things, and yeah, they

703
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: just they needed to be done and it had to happen.

704
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: But I look at where we are now and I

705
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: don't think any of us regret that at all. Like

706
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: it is weird to reflect on though, because it was

707
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: so touch and go. It was like it had been

708
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: brewing for some time, but when we put in a

709
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: little bit of thought to it, it was like, nah, we're

710
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: doing this, like it's happening. I still remember my mum

711
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: and dad like calling me, being like, what's going on?

712
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: But they were so happy, like we knew we had

713
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: support in our corner as well. Yeah, and I think,

714
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: like you said, off the back of the matildas, it

715
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: was just so fitting, like how can we use this

716
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: not to over advantage? But that's where women's sports at now,

717
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: Like we needed change and we needed something to happen,

718
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: and it needed to happen fast.

719
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, bes, And I always like to say a

720
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: rising tide, lifts or boats. I've actually got it on

721
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 3: the back of this T shirt and I think that's

722
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: kind of I look at that example where there was

723
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: so much momentum around the World Cup for the Matildas.

724
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: I think the timing of it, like it was received

725
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: so well by the public, which is quite a powerful

726
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: thing when I imagine, because I know that feeling as an

727
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: athlete when you're speaking out about something. There's so much

728
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: fear that comes with that.

729
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It was like seeing what they had

730
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: done and how Australia just got on board with them,

731
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: and like I was talking about this with my boyfriend,

732
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: It's not like it wasn't a results base we support

733
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: this team because they win. It was we support this

734
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: team because we love them, We've made connections with them,

735
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: we love what they're doing. Like it was so fitting

736
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: off the back of that because we probably weren't an

737
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: overly successful team, but in order to sort of break

738
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: that barrier and push into that space, something had to

739
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: be done. Yeah, So seeing how well that was received

740
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: by the Australian public and then I don't know, it

741
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: was pretty weird, like turning on the news and seeing

742
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: that stuff on there. It was like this is like happening,

743
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: Like yeah, sort of just sat there in your little

744
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: bubble like wow. But we had a few like player

745
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: meetings and we sort of put together a list of

746
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: things that we wanted to get out of it and

747
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: presented that and came away with some pretty important things.

748
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we're just jumping around chronologically,

749
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: not in chronological order at all. But I'm just gonna

750
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: roll with it because I'm just like going with what

751
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: we're talking about. So if we talk about the Matilda's

752
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: in that home World Cup, you guys will have a

753
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: home World Cup in twenty twenty nine, which is huge

754
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: for women's rugby here in Australia. What do you think

755
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: needs to be done to ensure that you guys can

756
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 3: have a similar experience to the Matildas.

757
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: I think, like I wouldn't even say I'm a massive

758
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: soccer fan. I just love the Matildas and what they're

759
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: doing and the way that they're sort of promoting themselves.

760
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: Watching them. I ended up watching that documentary on them

761
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: that was on Disney Disney and I speaking about it

762
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: again with my boyfriend. He's a journalist, So we get

763
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: through a favorite.

764
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 3: Of stuff there, but you guys talk a lot of

765
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: it's like a healthy relationship.

766
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: Yes and no. We were chatting about that and I

767
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: think where Rugby probably doesn't showcase the individual enough. We

768
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: showcase the team and the banner, but we need to

769
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: showcase personality and develop connections, you know, with fans and players.

770
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: I think watching that documentary on Disney Plast was really

771
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: cool because it was like, I know, I feel like

772
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: I know this person, this player personally, Like you delve

773
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: into people's lives and their stories, like everyone has a

774
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: story to tell. They showcase personality, you've seen behind the

775
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: scenes stuff like it was a great role into that.

776
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: So it was like, I don't know, you got to

777
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: see the player, the personality, and they made themselves more available.

778
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: I guess like that fan connection they appealed so much,

779
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 2: and like I said before, it wasn't about the winning

780
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: or the losing. It was like, hey, I support soccer

781
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: and I support Australia like I support this team. I

782
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: think we sort of need to push for that a

783
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: bit more, less showcasing of the banner and more showcasing

784
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: of the individual, which is really weird for rugby, I

785
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: think because I think Rugby League do it great. I

786
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: think the NFL do it great. The NBA like understanding

787
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: the person, developing connection and like having little girls be like, hey,

788
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: I want to be like da da da da da

789
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: yea and they like this and I like this too,

790
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: like yeah, totally developing that connection. Because we see the

791
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: player on the field, but we don't often see the

792
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: person off it. I think there's a really unique opportunity

793
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: for us there as well as walleries. We have so

794
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: many different stories. Like seriously, there's mums, there's girls that

795
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: are engineers, lawyers, like people work in childcare. There's everyone

796
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: does something different and everyone is a little bit different.

797
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: Their journey is different, you know, their journey to that

798
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: wallaroo side is different as well. Like I think I

799
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: sort of sitting on like a sleeping sleeping giant.

800
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: I agree. I really want to make the doco happen

801
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: about the Wallaroo.

802
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: It'd be really cool trying to work.

803
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 3: In the background to make it happy.

804
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: You guys, actually I remember watching it obviously very inspired

805
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: by the twenty sixteen Ozzie sevenths Olympic team. You guys

806
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: had the Road to Rio.

807
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I forgot about that well.

808
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: I watched that Coloe. That's what I mean, though, like

809
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: you sort of like someone I don't know making it

810
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: to a World Cup. We are people coming back from ACL's.

811
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: We've got people who are just you know, mums and

812
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: hoping to get there. I don't know, There's there's something

813
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: to be said, and everyone's story is different, it's sort

814
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: of how you tell it. But I think there is

815
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: a great opportunity there for us to sort of follow

816
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: suit and you know, have a similar sort of experience.

817
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, twenty twenty five this year, you

818
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: guys are preparing for a World Cup over in the

819
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: UK and it's going to be huge. We've already seen

820
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: I think ticket sales are two hundred and seventy five

821
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: thousand plus already.

822
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: I think England have nearly sold out every WOW game

823
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: that they are playing in.

824
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: It is huge real It's been quite amazing to see

825
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: the way the games explode over in the UK. We've

826
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: seen Alonamar and what she's done. In the US, we've

827
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 3: seen the I guess the development of these domestic leagues

828
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: continue to grow off the back of these international rugby competitions,

829
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: and I think twenty twenty five is going to be

830
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: a huge opportunity. What does the road look like for

831
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: you guys leading up to the twenty twenty five World Cup.

832
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: I guess we roll into Camp Post super, we bring

833
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: everyone together again. Like I spoke on that continuity piece,

834
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: we've got a fair few games test matches that will

835
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 2: be played here in Australia, which.

836
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: Is exciting, amazing.

837
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: It's over many last year that were obviously overseas and

838
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: you love the travel, but there's something to be said

839
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: about playing at home. And yes there's a test match

840
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: over in Newcastle. Yeah, so I went to school in

841
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: Newcastle close to I grew up in Nelson Bay when

842
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: I was actually a full circle story here, but back

843
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen when I was in the wider squad,

844
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: we were at the girls played a test match at

845
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: number two against Japan. You might have been there actually at.

846
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: Which where was it?

847
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: Number two in Newcastle Wanderer's homeground.

848
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: Oh maybe I would.

849
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: You might, I reckon you were there, But BES was

850
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: definitely there. Horsey was playing. I was on the sidelines.

851
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have been.

852
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he would have been. I was on

853
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: the sidelines and I just remember watching it being like

854
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: this is unreal, like this is what I want to do.

855
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: Essentially played Japan, but now coming back that would have

856
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: been seven years ago maybe or I think seven years ago. Yeah,

857
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: so coming back now we're at McDonald jones Stadium, so

858
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: completely different. That was a park footy ground. The girls

859
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: were at McDonald Jones, which is really really cool. Yeah,

860
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: like that's the Night's home ground. Yeah, you know, I

861
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: think the opportunity to play there and having all the

862
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: people that you sort of move away from home as well,

863
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: like friends, family and then Pope, uncles, the works, cousins,

864
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 2: school friends and as well, like going back to sort

865
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: of where I started that like that week in Newcastle

866
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: will be so special, like opportunity you know, go out

867
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: and do clinics with girls who were playing rugby things

868
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: like that. Lane will be there as well. There's a

869
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: fair few home games so it'd be really cool. Think

870
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: there's one in Canberra, one in Newcastle. I'm in Brisbane

871
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: maybe yeah, I think so this would be the most

872
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: home tests I think that we've ever had. Huge, so

873
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: super important. Obviously rolling into a World Cup year and

874
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: building on that twenty nine home World Cup. That's what

875
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: you need.

876
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: Matches at home absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, how good. Oh. I

877
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: wanted to ask about your injuries. We're watching the gron

878
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: front of the other day and unfortunately had a bit

879
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: of a head knock y. You've had a few concussions, obviously,

880
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: had a couple of acls and some hammy injuries. That

881
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: have been a rough run. And I feel you out

882
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 3: when we talk the injuries, I feel you pain. Yeah,

883
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: how have you kind of managed? Probably also the mental

884
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: side of it rather than the physical side.

885
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: I think doing an aco really young, Like I've spoken before,

886
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: I think I was sixteen when I did my first

887
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: knee You sort of it's just a kid, and you

888
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: get through it and you're like all right, like I'm

889
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: out of that, but you have a bit more of

890
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: sort of an understanding of your body and what it's

891
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: capable of and what it takes to get back to

892
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: where you were at a young age. I think having

893
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: done one of those early sort of helped me because

894
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: you spend some time out of the game, which as

895
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: it like growing up, you're just itching for what's next,

896
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: so sort of understanding that, I guess too. Doing that

897
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: one before the World Cup made it so special to

898
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: be back like I didn't really care if I was

899
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: back playing international footy or whatever. I just wanted to

900
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: be back playing footy with my mates. But understanding that,

901
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: like it's a process and respecting your body and sort

902
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 2: of putting it like a you have to be so selfish,

903
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: but putting yourself first, and then in saying that, also

904
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: being able to take time away for yourself to enjoy

905
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: other parts of your life, Like you can't just hone

906
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: in on that and be like this is it, Like

907
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: this is all I'm doing as much as it feels

908
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 2: like that. But frustrating last year to sort of have

909
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: that hemmy as well, coming off the back of super

910
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: that was tricky, but it was a process that I wasn't,

911
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: you know, not familiar with, Like yeah, yeah, like you

912
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: sort of just go back to that and you're like, well,

913
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: it's not a knee, it's not too serious. Yeah, it's

914
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: a hemmy. You know, I'll get back. But I think

915
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: you're also like when you are back, you really enjoy

916
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: it a whole lot more. My mum likes to say

917
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: it's character building, and I said, mel I have enough character.

918
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: I don't need self alignings and resilience and character.

919
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Seriously, I have more than enough, seriously more than enough.

920
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's really good in that sense.

921
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: And then when someone else is injured to within the space,

922
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: you can really like, I don't know, give them a

923
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: show to lean on and you understand. But you never

924
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: feel like you're not going to come back. But it

925
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: can be tricky at times, I think just not diving

926
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 2: too deep into it. You gotta have like balance within

927
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: your space still. But when you are back, its bloody

928
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: unreal coming back from like that knee to the World

929
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: Cup that was so special.

930
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: Especially that World Cup, Yeah it was. It was huge

931
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: over in New Zealand.

932
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most tickets have a soul in that

933
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: that opening game actually, and then they blitzed it again

934
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: with that final. I was twenty fourth man in that

935
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: opening game, so that was like a really bizarre experience.

936
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: You warm up and you're like.

937
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: All right, I'll be here.

938
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: But it was really good prep obviously for the next week,

939
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: which was my debut against Scotland, so it was cool.

940
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: But sitting in the stands for that game, I just like,

941
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: I'm still like that was a women's rugby game, Like

942
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: this is unreal, And for any Walleries fans, we were

943
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: up at half time. I'm sitting there like, oh, what's happening.

944
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: I remember I was behind the gold person. My boyfriend

945
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: and his mum and dad were opposite. It was literally

946
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: a seed of black and I could see these three

947
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: gold jerseys. And they said it was so silent. You've

948
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: never heard a crowd. Wow, so silent because we were

949
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: up at the heart and they're sitting there like, yeah,

950
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: they said it was bloody unreal. Like I just remember

951
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: looking down at them being like, what's going on.

952
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: Who has had the biggest impact on you as a person.

953
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: Oh on, I've had a few.

954
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a constantly changing thing for me.

956
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: But obviously mum and dad, you like come through your

957
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: pathways and grow up playing in junior sport, and yeah,

958
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: sort of as you become an adult, understand how much

959
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: they do for you and for your siblings as well,

960
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: and the time sacrifice and the money and whatever, and

961
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: you sort of develop a bit more like I don't know,

962
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: I guess like wow, when you're there and you're just

963
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: doing it, you're like, oh whatever, like yeah, this is

964
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: the normal. This is what we always do. But as

965
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: you grew up and understand how much is sacrifice for that,

966
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: especially being one of five. Like you're like, thank you,

967
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: like for sort of giving me this opportunity. But that's

968
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: ever changing for me. I think my boyfriend Will.

969
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: Just is that your boyfriend's ever I haven't heard any

970
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: game yet.

971
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: Today Will Will has been really it's been interesting that

972
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: we got together. We met at Ramwick. But here's a

973
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: friend rower. I'm a winger up bizarre combination, but he

974
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: just like he's from an all boy family, so one

975
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 2: of three boys, and they probably didn't have a lot

976
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: to do with any female sport, but getting together with

977
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: him and they just love it now like any female

978
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: sport is on the television, there are all my games,

979
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: Like they just have such a different perspective on it now,

980
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: and I think like understanding that. I guess you can

981
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: have that sort of influence on people, Like he sees

982
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: like my week or my day to day stuff and

983
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: he just gets it. Like yeah, it's really cool though,

984
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: being able to sit down and chat footy with a family.

985
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: And it's weird because it's three boys and I'm the

986
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: ring in I live with them, but it's unreal, like

987
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: it's almost like a home away from home, like it's

988
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: really cool.

989
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, moving from Nelson Wale. Yeah, they welcomed me in.

990
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: But it's been so special, Like they were over at

991
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: that World Cup for my debut. They've been to a

992
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: few tests now they're every Wartars game.

993
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 3: It's really cool.

994
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: It's bloody unreal. They're a Newington family and a Ramwik family,

995
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: so to be able to convert them over to support

996
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: the women's game has been bloody unreal.

997
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: Yes, I like that. I ask everyone on the podcast,

998
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 3: what is your favorite failure?

999
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Oh god, in sport anywhere anywhere, guys, this is so embarrassing.

1000
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: When I first started playing rugby, we played this game.

1001
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: I can't even remember where it was. It was out

1002
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: west somewhere. It was like the country Champs or something.

1003
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: I kid you, not like I have played so much

1004
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: like touch footy, played enough rugby. At that point, I

1005
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: scored a try on the five five No, no, yeah

1006
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: it was, and it was it was streamed, so.

1007
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: Can I find the footing?

1008
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: No? No?

1009
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: But I was like, mayor what the hell did you

1010
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 3: put it down?

1011
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: Or die? I died.

1012
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: So much, I don't want to say. It's worse so much,

1013
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: so bad, like and then what happened was someone close

1014
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: to you.

1015
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Well sort of like I tried to like it. I

1016
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: had to like play it off in like a long

1017
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: place and I was like, no, that's just no, that's happened.

1018
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that has happened.

1019
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: I like that so embarrassing. I actually fully can remember

1020
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: it and I can see it on that stream. I

1021
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: was like, may I never again. You know how there's

1022
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: like the the corner posts, yeah, and they're like at

1023
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: the five. Well yeah, and they're at the dead ball.

1024
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: Wait no, they tried dead ball? Are they sometimes at

1025
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: the five?

1026
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1027
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 3: Because it's twenty two and five try dead ball?

1028
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: Yes, So it was just like peak embarrassment.

1029
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: Maybe too many corner posts.

1030
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, leave them in the important spot far out like that. Anyway,

1031
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: that was like peak embarrassment. But she's a winger. It's

1032
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 2: like your one job, just score the try. Let's score

1033
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: it on the five. No. Actually, I'm so embarrassed saying that,

1034
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: But that did happen.

1035
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: I know that you shared the story. Thank you so much.

1036
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: It's a latent failure, Like it's a like, yeah, it's

1037
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: a good story.

1038
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: It makes a good story though.

1039
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I like my lesson.

1040
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 3: You've never done it again? Yeah, I don't plan. Yeah,

1041
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 3: that's it.

1042
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: That's it.

1043
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: How good. Thank you so much for your time today.

1044
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: It's being very fun to have a chat. Thanks so

1045
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,360
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1046
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