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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Joe. How are things in Catherine at the moment in

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Speaker 2: The flood warning that was in place yesterday, The river

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Speaker 2: We do not need to have been through two floods.

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Speaker 1: So, yep, you're spot on now, Joe. We'll keen to

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Speaker 1: That is good to hear now, Minister. We have been

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Speaker 1: The supportable the government was trying to hide that.

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Speaker 2: I one hundred percent think they were trying to hide it.

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Speaker 2: I will be making sure that we are. You know,

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Speaker 2: most people that know me, I'm not backward in coming forward,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we need to just make sure that

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Speaker 2: getting them educated and getting the family support that they

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Speaker 2: Here in Catherine we have Kafleck, which is flexible learning.

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Speaker 2: There's in other areas there's schools that do flexible learning

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Speaker 2: as well, and these children need to be slowly integrated

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Speaker 2: not been to school for two years. That's unbelosually unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: It is, it's totally unacceptable, and it's unbelievable that it's

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Speaker 1: been able to continue to happen. So there certainly does

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Speaker 1: need to be some change in this space. Joe, we

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Speaker 1: are going to have to leave it there. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so very much

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: No worries, Katie, Thanks and thanks listeners. Have a great day.

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