Speaker 1: Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
Speaker 1: were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders
Speaker 1: past and present.
Speaker 2: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was
Speaker 2: recorded on Drug Wallamata Land.
Speaker 1: Hi, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 1: I'm Brittany and I'm Laura. Hi everyone, it's been a
Speaker 1: silly morning.
Speaker 3: I can't All I want to talk about is your teeth.
Speaker 3: That's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: No, it's because I'm still working out how to speak,
Speaker 1: because I've got a wire.
Speaker 3: You're in my mouth from my visa line.
Speaker 1: So I over articulate sometimes and sometimes I don't know,
Speaker 1: over articulate and I get lazy.
Speaker 3: And it's a whole battle in my mouth right now.
Speaker 2: For somebody who talks for a living. It's something that
Speaker 2: you've been finding very hard, and I'm really I'm not
Speaker 2: enjoying it.
Speaker 3: I hope that you get better. I hope you overcome
Speaker 3: this sea.
Speaker 2: You're not enjoying what I'm not enjoying, that you are
Speaker 2: finding it difficult to I.
Speaker 3: Thought you were like, you're not enjoying in my mouth.
Speaker 2: No, I love her mouth I love everything about your mouth,
Speaker 2: love being in your.
Speaker 3: Presence, but being inside my mouth. Be inside my mouth.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, this is Tuesday, Happy Tuesday, Welcome.
Speaker 2: I have a very unexciting life update. But I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you guys anyway, So Mollie more exciting than well,
Speaker 2: it's a parenting update. Okay, So Mally she goes to
Speaker 2: sleep now, she's four and a half, and she sleeps
Speaker 2: in our bed every single night. We don't intentionally co
Speaker 2: sleep with our child. She just gets up and gets
Speaker 2: into bed.
Speaker 1: She comes in and you're too lazy slash tired to
Speaker 1: get up and put it back.
Speaker 3: So you're like, oh, I just.
Speaker 2: Go to bed and every night, I reckon. We probably
Speaker 2: get about six hours sleep now because like she like
Speaker 2: I've said this before, but she'll have her foot in
Speaker 2: my tit a foot and in my spleen. I sometimes
Speaker 2: wake up and I've got her face on top of
Speaker 2: my face.
Speaker 3: Sounds great, And so.
Speaker 2: We play musical beds all night, Like I'll get out
Speaker 2: of my bed and I'll go and sleep in her bed. Anyway,
Speaker 2: she does this thing where she sleeps and she sucks
Speaker 2: her thumb and simultaneously puts a finger up her nose.
Speaker 2: So she puts her point to finger straight up her
Speaker 2: nose while sucking her thumb. That's so weird, Like.
Speaker 3: She creates an L and she just while she picks
Speaker 3: a nose. She's asleep. How far up can the finger
Speaker 3: go up a nose?
Speaker 2: She just think about an L shape with your finger.
Speaker 2: Make everybody wherever you are make an L shape. Put
Speaker 2: your thumb in your mouth, and stick your pointed finger
Speaker 2: into your nose. She's tickling her brain.
Speaker 4: Hop can it go?
Speaker 2: So the issue is is that she has been giving
Speaker 2: herself these like hectic nosebleeds every night because she's got
Speaker 2: her finger so far up into her slide. This is
Speaker 2: so this is a real problem because her bed has
Speaker 2: the plastic mattress protector on it. Slip on plastic, Well,
Speaker 2: it's kind of it's not plastic plastic, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like a great big shower cap. But for the mattresses
Speaker 2: that glad rappid arc No. I was thinking more like luggage,
Speaker 2: you know, how like you cover it. No, you know,
Speaker 2: think about like going to a very old Italian nunna's
Speaker 2: house and the couch is covered in a plastic to
Speaker 2: protect it, like sign Seinfelder nanny. It was the nanny
Speaker 2: the moment parents. Okay, so it's kind of like that
Speaker 2: sort of vibe, but in her mattress.
Speaker 3: Anyway. We don't have one on our mattress because.
Speaker 2: Surprisingly neither matt or myself piss ourselves whilst we sleep,
Speaker 2: so we don't need one. But we do have like
Speaker 2: a we have a material mattress protector. Anyway, the problem
Speaker 2: is that she doesn't sleep in her own bed. She
Speaker 2: only sleeps in our bed. So three consecutive nights last
Speaker 2: week she had her finger up and her sinus is
Speaker 2: so bad that she had a full on nose bleed
Speaker 2: and she wakes up and it is like shark week,
Speaker 2: Like the kid is covered in blood down her shirt,
Speaker 2: all over the mattress, in her hair, like it's disgusting.
Speaker 2: The last time she did it, the nosebleed was so
Speaker 2: bad it went through the mattress protector. It's literally just
Speaker 2: this massive mark on the mattress. And so we've got
Speaker 2: like a nice mattress. We bought it when Lula was born,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: The fucking mattress.
Speaker 2: Ah, So I call up a company sor it's bleeding
Speaker 2: in your bed. Now, the blood's in your bed. The
Speaker 2: blood is in my bed. Shark week happened in my bed.
Speaker 2: The co sleeping thing is the reason why. So we
Speaker 2: called up a professional steam cleaner and I was like,
Speaker 2: I need someone to come and get this out. Like
Speaker 2: it is soaked into the Is it called memory foam? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's deep in the memory foam. It's deep in the memes.
Speaker 2: It's deep in the memes. Yeah, I'm not getting that
Speaker 2: out with some spray and white. So I call up
Speaker 2: and I said to the guy on the phone, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm so sorry. My daughter's had a nosebleed.
Speaker 2: I need someone to come out and clean the mattress,
Speaker 2: like kind of urgently because I don't want it to dry.
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, no worries, it's fine. He
Speaker 2: was like how much? And I was like, look, there's
Speaker 2: a reasonable amount of blood he's bled through the mattress
Speaker 2: protector onto the mattress. And he was like, no worries,
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and eighty bucks. I can be out
Speaker 2: there by two o'clock.
Speaker 3: Cool, wow cleaner. I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know job. So he comes in and
Speaker 2: it's not the guy that I spoke to on the phone.
Speaker 2: But as he walked in the door, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: just letting you know, like you know, my daughter had
Speaker 2: a nose bleed. And he walks in and like, you
Speaker 2: know how kids never sleep Like, okay, you don't know this,
Speaker 2: but parents will. Kids don't sleep with their head on
Speaker 2: a pillow. They motor around the fucking bed like. They
Speaker 2: motor around like they'll sleep with their their head and
Speaker 2: your crutch. They'll sleep with their head downe at your feet,
Speaker 2: like their heads everywhere. So the nosebleed is like towards
Speaker 2: the enter of the bed, right, So the guy walks in,
Speaker 2: the mattress is stripped and he says, oh, oh oh,
Speaker 2: And I was like sorry, like because of the reaction,
Speaker 2: like they're a problem. Like he looked shocked and a
Speaker 2: bit repulsed. And then it dawned on me he didn't
Speaker 2: believe me. He doesn't think it's a nosebleed. He thinks
Speaker 2: it's period blood. And the guy is freaked the fuck
Speaker 2: out by a bit of period blood. Also, grow up,
Speaker 2: go touch some grass, Grow the fuck up. Anyway, he
Speaker 2: was freaked out by period blood. And then he said
Speaker 2: to me he goes, oh, that's not a nose bleed,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well it is, and he goes,
Speaker 2: it's not a nose bleed, and I was like, the
Speaker 2: nosebleas out my vaginant.
Speaker 3: My vaginant has a nosebleed.
Speaker 2: Fourth signs.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he charged me, He charged me extra.
Speaker 2: He charged me two hundred and eighty dollars because he
Speaker 2: didn't believe me it was a nosebleed. And I put
Speaker 2: one hundred dollar period tax.
Speaker 3: He put a period tax on.
Speaker 2: He never said the word period that he said. He said, oh,
Speaker 2: that's not a nose bleed, and then just kept repeating
Speaker 2: that it's not a nose bleed. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I understand what you're insinuating, Like you don't know when
Speaker 2: you can. You can check my vagina if you want to.
Speaker 2: I'm not currently on my period, but that's fine anyway.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't argue with him. I end up paying
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty dollars to get my mattress cleaned.
Speaker 3: I hope he didn't actually say you can check my vagina.
Speaker 2: No I didn't, but please, if you'd like to do
Speaker 2: your diligious can you clean up there as well? So
Speaker 2: many questions. Also, I just want to let you all
Speaker 2: know it didn't fucking work. The mattress still has a
Speaker 2: massive nosebleed stain on it, not period blood. No, And
Speaker 2: now I'm like, do I need to get a new
Speaker 2: mattress because it looks like shark week in the middle
Speaker 2: of my bed. And if anyone ever comes and stays over,
Speaker 2: like sometimes I weren't the sheets on already.
Speaker 3: It's so embarrassing, humiliating, But mattresses are expensive and kids,
Speaker 3: she's gonna do it again?
Speaker 1: Nah, I just think you put a sheet on it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you easy to get rid of a
Speaker 1: new mattress because youve got a stain on it.
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 2: Some people will disagree with you. It is not a
Speaker 2: little stain. It looks like day two period.
Speaker 1: But if you yeah, he was onto something, if you
Speaker 1: put a sheet on it, you can't see it through
Speaker 1: the sheet.
Speaker 3: No, any guest overstays, just say.
Speaker 2: Just leave it, I'll strip the bit later. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. How wait? How embarrassing for them though,
Speaker 2: when the one time when they think they're doing me
Speaker 2: a favor and they strip the bed and then they
Speaker 2: see that someone was murdered there.
Speaker 3: How am I going to do with that? And if
Speaker 3: they report you, Look, that's what's been happening in my life.
Speaker 3: It's a real conundrum.
Speaker 1: Do you know what you say grow up to this guy?
Speaker 1: That was like, wh you say grow up? But in
Speaker 1: his head he's just walked in and having to clean
Speaker 1: some other random person's period blood for mattress, He's gonna
Speaker 1: have that reaction.
Speaker 2: What is different? Like, what is the difference between a
Speaker 2: nosebleed and a bit of period blood? It's just like
Speaker 2: a bit of blood. No, there's a different It's just no.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I agree with you on a lot, but this you
Speaker 2: cannot tell me. This is not a difference between a
Speaker 2: little nosebleed and shark week for a woman.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Look, we had a really good week last week, guys.
Speaker 2: It was our Melbourne Live show. Melbourne was amazing for
Speaker 2: many reasons. But I'm still at a high do you.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I didn't think Melbourne was going to
Speaker 1: be the big one.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I always thought maybe maybe because we're based in Sydney.
Speaker 3: I thought Sydney would be the big one.
Speaker 1: But Melbourne was insane, like the biggest show by far
Speaker 1: that we had the wildest, the most hectic.
Speaker 3: It was truly incredible.
Speaker 2: Do you know why.
Speaker 3: I mean I knew malbul was big in terms of capacity.
Speaker 2: I just thought people of Melbourne are cool, that you're
Speaker 2: gonna clap quietly, You're going to just be a cool audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're not. Because historically speaking.
Speaker 2: Cool, we're not cool. We are not cool, and we
Speaker 2: are cool with not being not cool. And Sydney is
Speaker 2: particularly uncool, and I feel like the regional towns like
Speaker 2: and that everyone's screaming and they're excited. Melbourne, you sent
Speaker 2: it. It was amazing. Also, we had a bit of a
Speaker 2: wild card with how Melbourn show, so you guys might
Speaker 2: have seen if you follow on Instagram. We were supposed
Speaker 2: to have Flex Mammy on stage with us, but unfortunately
Speaker 2: she had some personal stuff going on so she wasn't
Speaker 2: able to do the show.
Speaker 3: We were so sad.
Speaker 2: About that because we had a fucking amazing chat with
Speaker 2: her in Perth and we love Flex and we love
Speaker 2: Flex and we wanted to do it again in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: But it actually worked out completely fine in the end anyway,
Speaker 2: because we had Tones and I come and she was
Speaker 2: an unexpected addition to the show. What she shared in
Speaker 2: that interview, like her story, there was such an incredible
Speaker 2: vulnerability from her that was unexpected to even you and Ibriy,
Speaker 2: Like we were sitting there in that interview and we,
Speaker 2: I mean we thought we would have kind of a
Speaker 2: bit of a top line chat around her career and
Speaker 2: her successes for anyone who if you don't know who
Speaker 2: Tones and I is. She's the writer and singer and
Speaker 2: producer and everything behind the ridiculously successful song Dance Monkey.
Speaker 1: Would you know that's the third most downloaded song ever
Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, that song the third most downloaded
Speaker 1: song in the world.
Speaker 2: And she shared how much she now hates that song,
Speaker 2: and she also shared parts around how she became the
Speaker 2: superstar that she is, how she started off busking, how
Speaker 2: she went through a really, really fucking challenging relationship. It
Speaker 2: was an incredibly vulnerable chat that took both of us
Speaker 2: by surprise, and I think anyone who was in that
Speaker 2: Melbourne audience would have felt what we felt, and that
Speaker 2: it was such a privilege to be able to hear
Speaker 2: her story. And I mean, off the back of that,
Speaker 2: we're going to try and get her on the podcast
Speaker 2: to do a full interview with her, because it was
Speaker 2: just beautiful.
Speaker 3: It was a really really special moment.
Speaker 1: I've always loved Tones and I as an artist, because
Speaker 1: that's all I've ever known her as. I've never known
Speaker 1: her until now, So I loved her as the artist,
Speaker 1: but now I'm obsessed with her as a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's so private, and so I think that
Speaker 2: that's why most people only love her as an artist.
Speaker 3: She never shares this stuff. Yeah, But besides that, even
Speaker 3: if she does share, I still don't know.
Speaker 2: I sto didn't know.
Speaker 3: Uh, but she is a really private person.
Speaker 1: And one of the biggest compliments we could have received
Speaker 1: I think I could receive. I won't to speak for you, Laura,
Speaker 1: but it was something Tone said afterwards.
Speaker 3: You know, she's I've never shared ever the stuff that
Speaker 3: I have shared today.
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is you guys, and the
Speaker 1: audience out there and the community you've created. She said,
Speaker 1: I watched the she was, you know, side of stage,
Speaker 1: because the interviews are the second half, So she's like,
Speaker 1: I watched the audience out there and the way they
Speaker 1: were interacting with you guys, and you could just tell
Speaker 1: that this was a community that was such a safe place,
Speaker 1: and she's like, they are the reason I wanted to
Speaker 1: open up today, and I was like, that is the biggest,
Speaker 1: hands down compliment we could have, is that the people
Speaker 1: that are coming on this journey with us are all
Speaker 1: just so fucking incredible, Like each one of you, guys,
Speaker 1: that you have made someone like tones and I will
Speaker 1: come to home comfortable enough to share her story because
Speaker 1: she has never shared it before, and.
Speaker 2: She absolutely she did also call you all a cult,
Speaker 2: but I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I think Life on Cut is actually
Speaker 3: a girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, some liminal messages in there. Welcome to the Church
Speaker 2: of Life on Cut everyone. No, but like you know,
Speaker 2: I know, I said it. Melbourne, you were such an
Speaker 2: unexpected show. It was just a ma We got to
Speaker 2: meet so many of you beforehand, and some of you
Speaker 2: shared your stories with us, some of you invited us
Speaker 2: to your weddings like it was a wild night and
Speaker 2: one other thing that I loved as well. And I
Speaker 2: guess that this is something I would love to kind
Speaker 2: of encourage for you guys for any of the future shows.
Speaker 2: We've got Gold Coast this week, then we have Canberra
Speaker 2: and then we have Brisbane. And then oh my god,
Speaker 2: the toy is over. There's any three more shows left.
Speaker 2: But in Melbourne and in Sydney, some of the people
Speaker 2: who were going solo to the shows organized like a
Speaker 2: Life on Cup meetup pre show, so they went out
Speaker 2: for dinner. So if you're coming to a show solo,
Speaker 2: chuck it in the Facebook group, create a little event
Speaker 2: prior and it means that instead of ending up there
Speaker 2: by yourself, you end up there with a whole group
Speaker 2: of friends. And I cannot tell you how many people
Speaker 2: are coming to these live shows by themselves.
Speaker 3: And it's really cool.
Speaker 2: Because it takes a bit of bravery to go and
Speaker 2: to you know, I mean, if you've ever been to
Speaker 2: the movies by yourself, if you've ever been to an
Speaker 2: event by yourself, it takes a bit of bravery to
Speaker 2: go and do that. And so for every single one
Speaker 2: of you who have come to these live shows completely
Speaker 2: solo because you love it and you didn't want to
Speaker 2: miss out and noney friends wanted to come, we just
Speaker 2: want to say, one, you're not alone, and I know
Speaker 2: you know that now, but two, we are so grateful
Speaker 2: for you doing that because we know that that's stepping
Speaker 2: outside your comfort zone.
Speaker 1: Oh. Two other things I wanted to talk about, not
Speaker 1: talk about, but I want to mention before we move on.
Speaker 1: One accidentally unfiltered from last week. The corn that got
Speaker 1: stuck in the fore skin. He was at the Melbourne show.
Speaker 1: We sort of revisited. We thought, you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: love this. This was one that came in from Melbourne.
Speaker 3: We told it on stage and he put his hand
Speaker 3: up and stood up.
Speaker 2: He goes it was me, and he absolutely owned it,
Speaker 2: and the whole audience completely loved him, like I just
Speaker 2: love that he.
Speaker 3: Put his hand off.
Speaker 2: He's like, ah've corn boy. It really redefined the whole
Speaker 2: corn boy meme, didn't it. I Mean, it's gone from
Speaker 2: being this lovely, adorable little black American boy singing it's
Speaker 2: corn to being a fantastic gay guy in Melbourne who
Speaker 2: is now the new corn boy.
Speaker 1: He's literally corn boy and everyone started going as cornboy,
Speaker 1: but they loved it.
Speaker 2: If you don't know the story, it was on last
Speaker 2: Tuesday's episode. Basically, his partner at the time found a
Speaker 2: colonel of corn in his foreskin, which came out of
Speaker 2: an orifice of his Anyway, go back and listen to
Speaker 2: the actually unfiltered that week because it's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1: And the second thing was Mitch Chrury, our beloved radio
Speaker 1: co host and the MC. He opens the show at
Speaker 1: every venue. He's taken dating to the next level. He
Speaker 1: was on a first date at the show while he
Speaker 1: was on the stage, so he's never met this guy
Speaker 1: in his first date and I don't know how this lands.
Speaker 1: His first date was to come, he said, come and
Speaker 1: watch me perform.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what happened was is he matched with
Speaker 2: him on a dating side or something. They were chatting
Speaker 2: and this guy was like, well, while you're hre, do
Speaker 2: you have time for a drink? And Mitch was like no.
Speaker 2: Because the Melbourne show was such a flyby. We flew in,
Speaker 2: we did the show, we flew out the next day
Speaker 2: and Mitch was like, no, but I can put you
Speaker 2: on the door at the live show that I'm He goes.
Speaker 3: I'm too busy, I'm performing.
Speaker 2: I'm performing at the today, So he flaxed.
Speaker 3: Anyway, this guy came.
Speaker 2: We then added him on stage and Mitch he played
Speaker 2: it up that he was awkward and embarrassed. If you
Speaker 2: were there at the live show, Mitch was like, stop
Speaker 2: at I'm so angry. He knew from top down that
Speaker 2: we were going to say that on stage, and he
Speaker 2: played it up for the audience, so I was I
Speaker 2: was like, why are you making this so awkward for everyone, Mitch?
Speaker 2: But anyway, he knew what he was doing. What did
Speaker 2: you do on a second date after that?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 3: If that's your first day, what do you do? I
Speaker 3: think you fly him to the Gold Coast and then
Speaker 3: you bring show.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, something that, Britt you have been trying
Speaker 2: to get me to watch, and I know so many
Speaker 2: of you guys who watched.
Speaker 3: You spoke about it a couple weeks ago. The David
Speaker 3: Beckham series.
Speaker 2: I finally watched the last episode last night, and do
Speaker 2: you love it? I do?
Speaker 3: But I'm also a cynic, so like I started because are.
Speaker 2: You sitting and everything? Just enjoy it for what it is.
Speaker 3: Because I was unpacking.
Speaker 2: I was unpicking the way in which it is put together,
Speaker 2: because obviously it's created so that you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: David Beckham was a lot and he is great. I
Speaker 2: love him. He's so hot. I remember, okay, I remember
Speaker 2: when he had a shaved head and I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: that man is so fucking sexy. I was probably twelve,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it doesn't matter. I do remember him being
Speaker 2: this like ridiculously godlike pin up. But I think it's
Speaker 2: so interesting how you watch this four series like biopic,
Speaker 2: and at every point in his life, when he's been
Speaker 2: shrouded in controversy i e. The affairs, which we'll get
Speaker 2: into very shortly, you managed to feel sorry for him.
Speaker 2: You managed to be like, oh, but he's still so lovable.
Speaker 2: So he's had these moments in life which could make
Speaker 2: him quite unlikable, but this memoir has allowed him to
Speaker 2: reframe those moments so that in everyone's mind he's actually
Speaker 2: just been the most incredible person from start to finish.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, we all love David Beckham. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: because you're.
Speaker 3: Not gonna like he produced it.
Speaker 1: His company put this out, like, of course, you're going
Speaker 1: to control the narrative and.
Speaker 3: Make yourself look a hundred times better.
Speaker 1: I loved the documentary, so Matt cried.
Speaker 2: I just loved.
Speaker 1: It so much because you do see a different side
Speaker 1: into the life of people that you feel like you
Speaker 1: know but you actually know nothing about. Because that's what
Speaker 1: famous quote unquote, that's what famous people athletes, Hollywood stars,
Speaker 1: a spice girl. You feel like you know them because
Speaker 1: they're so big in the public lirbe, but you don't
Speaker 1: know what goes on behind closed doors, and you don't
Speaker 1: know the mechanics, even the mechanics behind the football world,
Speaker 1: and what that was like seeing from his perspective, A
Speaker 1: lot of what it was like being hounded by the paparazzi,
Speaker 1: the streets, the fans, like not being able to do anything,
Speaker 1: the death threats. I was just on the edge of
Speaker 1: my seat the whole time. I genuinely loved it. Victoria
Speaker 1: Beckham is the MVP. She is a superstar man.
Speaker 2: What she put up with, that woman is either a
Speaker 2: saint or she's been brainwashed, because like, I do not
Speaker 2: know many women who would put up with the relationship
Speaker 2: that she has put up with. Like in terms of
Speaker 2: like his selfishness with moving away the affairs, there's so
Speaker 2: much to unpick from that. But like at the end
Speaker 2: of it, I was kind of like, unpack or unpick,
Speaker 2: unpick and unpack. I'm gonna unpick it all and then
Speaker 2: a week and unpack it. But I think, yeah, think
Speaker 2: for me, I was like, wow, she must be so
Speaker 2: patient and so in love with him, because she certainly
Speaker 2: isn't the damsel in distress, right, Like, I don't watch
Speaker 2: that and think, oh my god, you've been so manipulated
Speaker 2: to stay. Obviously, she is incredibly powerful, she's incredibly successful,
Speaker 2: she loved him, she loved him, and she's made her
Speaker 2: own choices. So I don't think it frames her as
Speaker 2: though she was in any way in a relationship where
Speaker 2: she didn't have equal power. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: she experienced a lot of things at the hands of
Speaker 2: his selfishness, which makes you go, why would you stay?
Speaker 3: There was actually one.
Speaker 1: Part where and I was like, Wow, what a thick
Speaker 1: skin you actually do have, because I don't think i'd
Speaker 1: be able to be as strong as you were in
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 3: It's not even the affair.
Speaker 1: It was just that one moment when the world turned
Speaker 1: against David Beckham and they were in this huge stadium.
Speaker 1: Victoria was there and they were all hating on David.
Speaker 1: They were booing him and stuff, and the whole stadium
Speaker 1: of like eighty thousand people started to chant, posh takes
Speaker 1: it up the US, Posh takes it up with us,
Speaker 1: like over and over the entire stadium and she was there,
Speaker 1: and she was just.
Speaker 3: Powering on, like pretending like it didn't touch the size.
Speaker 1: Obviously, she has explained how hurt she was in that moment,
Speaker 1: but imagine how much you've been through in life to
Speaker 1: get to a point where that cannot make you get up,
Speaker 1: run away and cry and hide like you just put
Speaker 1: on your ray face, you support your husband. And that
Speaker 1: was a moment where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: how much of your life is like this now? Because
Speaker 1: they were getting the death threats, they were getting completely hounded,
Speaker 1: they were getting horrific trolling, There was kidnapping threats on
Speaker 1: their kids.
Speaker 3: It was insanity.
Speaker 2: I guess it also comes down to this almost like
Speaker 2: exposure therapy. Like not to say that they were ever
Speaker 2: used to it. I don't think you can ever get
Speaker 2: used to that kind of abuse, but you do build
Speaker 2: up a tolerance for it, especially when you've experienced it
Speaker 2: for so long. And she came off the back of
Speaker 2: being a spice girl, so it's not as though she's
Speaker 2: not ever experienced or being used to having trolling or
Speaker 2: vitriol or anger from.
Speaker 3: Being at the base of that. Do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the thing that we wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about more so was the affair. And I guess recently
Speaker 2: the reason why, I mean, the documentary has been up
Speaker 2: for alleged. We don't want to get too it's an affair.
Speaker 3: It's no alleged.
Speaker 2: You can legend. I'll say, come and see me, okay.
Speaker 2: Obviously the docu series has been out for a little
Speaker 2: while now. If you've seen it, it's four episodes. I'm
Speaker 2: sure a lot of people have seen it to the end.
Speaker 2: That's not what's news. But the reason why we're talking
Speaker 2: about it is because Rebecca loose So she was David
Speaker 2: Beckham's assistant. She was only twenty six years old at
Speaker 2: the time this. Now this has gone back twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: so long ago. She is the one who shared their affair.
Speaker 2: She shared the scandal around the fact that he was
Speaker 2: having an extramarital affair when he was playing for Real Madrid.
Speaker 2: He was in Spain and Posh Spice at the time
Speaker 2: was still calling it so Victoria at the time was
Speaker 2: living in England. The thing that's so interesting about this
Speaker 2: and the reason why I wanted to talk about it,
Speaker 2: brit And you kind of mentioned it just before you
Speaker 2: sort of said like it gives us an insight into
Speaker 2: these people. We see a different part of their lives,
Speaker 2: and we have more access to them. I guess that
Speaker 2: that's the thing about a memoir, right, You don't actually
Speaker 2: get more access to them. You don't actually understand more
Speaker 2: about their lives. You understand the version of their life
Speaker 2: in which they want you to understand. They're showing you
Speaker 2: their story, they're showing you it's still their highlight reel totally.
Speaker 2: And it's also this concept around like David Beckham is
Speaker 2: sharing his truth, but just because it's his truth doesn't
Speaker 2: make it the truth. So Rebecca Loose came out and
Speaker 2: she was like, we had an affair. She copped so
Speaker 2: much backlash and I think a disproportionate and unfair amount.
Speaker 2: She definitely sold her story, she definitely profited off it,
Speaker 2: But at the time, she wasn't the one who had
Speaker 2: any sort of power. She wasn't a public figure, she
Speaker 2: didn't have the platform in which David Beckham had. But
Speaker 2: and she was also his employee and a lot younger
Speaker 2: than him as well.
Speaker 1: But I'm also completely on her side for coming out
Speaker 1: and selling her story. The reason she sold her story
Speaker 1: she didn't have an affair with him, run off and
Speaker 1: sells story. It was all a big secret. She would
Speaker 1: from all accounts, she would have taken that to the grave.
Speaker 1: The story was coming out, and she knew that. They
Speaker 1: told her story's breaking. Do you have a comment, So
Speaker 1: she thought, well, fuck, Alicia, can come from me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to control if it's coming out anyway, A going
Speaker 1: to control it.
Speaker 3: B as I.
Speaker 1: If you have two options, you're going to put your
Speaker 1: comment out there for free, or you put your comment
Speaker 1: out there for money.
Speaker 2: You're putting it out there for money, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I would have done exactly the same thing if
Speaker 1: someone has come to me and said this is coming
Speaker 1: out regardless, you're going to control it.
Speaker 2: In any way that you post, like if I'm going
Speaker 2: down with his sinking shit, your fucking pain for a HUNDI.
Speaker 1: But I feel for her in that sense because people
Speaker 1: don't care about the reason. They say, oh, she sold
Speaker 1: a story. Of course she did, but it was coming
Speaker 1: out regardless. It's not like she wasn't the vixen that
Speaker 1: seduced David Beckham allegedly and then ran away and tried
Speaker 1: to profit off.
Speaker 3: That wasn't it at all.
Speaker 1: It actually sounds like and when she speaks about it,
Speaker 1: actually sounds like she cared a lot about him, because
Speaker 1: they had this work relationship first, and then they became
Speaker 1: very close as friends, and then the affair apparently lasted
Speaker 1: sporadically for about four months.
Speaker 3: So I think she genuinely had feelings for him, Oh,
Speaker 3: no doubt.
Speaker 1: She speaks about this one other time where they were
Speaker 1: at this big party and Victoria couldn't get a hold
Speaker 1: of David.
Speaker 3: So Victoria calls Rebecca and says, go and find him
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 1: He's answering his phone and she's like, Okay, I'll find
Speaker 1: him and tell him to call you, and she goes, no,
Speaker 1: I'll stay on the phone. And so Rebecca had to
Speaker 1: go through this huge party. She finally saw David's security
Speaker 1: guards outside a bedroom door and she had with Victoria
Speaker 1: on the phone and she's mouthing.
Speaker 3: To the security it's Victoria.
Speaker 1: And they went in and got him, and when the
Speaker 1: door was open, there was like some beautiful model in
Speaker 1: there with him.
Speaker 3: She didn't see them doing anything, but they were on
Speaker 3: a bed.
Speaker 1: And she says that moment even hurt her, like her
Speaker 1: she was the mistress and it hurt her so that
Speaker 1: was you know, who knows allegedly how many times? Allegedly
Speaker 1: who knows allegedly how many times it happened. But the
Speaker 1: reason Laura and I are having this discussion and the
Speaker 1: whole world is, I guess, is because in the documentary,
Speaker 1: David doesn't lie, but he tells a story that is
Speaker 1: so ambiguous about how it came out in the news
Speaker 1: and how it affected him and it hurt him so
Speaker 1: much to see Victoria hurting, which is all true, but
Speaker 1: he makes it sound like the media telling tall tales
Speaker 1: and it never happened. He makes it sound like Rebecca's
Speaker 1: line without saying to me this, mind you, it was
Speaker 1: so carefully crafted by pr that delivery of those few
Speaker 1: sentences that there's nothing you can take from it at all.
Speaker 3: It was such a pile of horseshit.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to say, I mean it was the
Speaker 2: part of the docu series that I was like, you
Speaker 2: have lost me. Now the reason for that is he
Speaker 2: still won me, and that's why they're so good. But
Speaker 2: he lost me because this is what I meant by
Speaker 2: the earlier when I said I was so critical and
Speaker 2: analyzing it, So I mean, I don't have any affinity
Speaker 2: for football. I obviously enjoyed them within like the pop
Speaker 2: culture space when I was young, because they were just
Speaker 2: this aspirational, incredible couple. I remember when the affairs broke
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking, oh wow, they're going to get divorced,
Speaker 2: like that's their relationship over. And I think it came
Speaker 2: as a surprise to everyone that that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: The thing I took I guess a bit of issue
Speaker 2: with and the reason why. I think it's completely fair
Speaker 2: that Rebecca Loose twenty years later has come back out
Speaker 2: and said is because of the way he's framed it
Speaker 2: within the series, which is to take zero accountability and
Speaker 2: to make everyone feel sorry for him. This is what
Speaker 2: Rebecca had to say.
Speaker 4: He is making himself a victim, and he's making me
Speaker 4: look like the liar. He's making me look like I've made.
Speaker 2: Up these horrible stories.
Speaker 4: I'm the one that's made Victoria's suffer. Poor him, He's
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with this, and it was so awful.
Speaker 4: I think it's one thing if you don't want to
Speaker 4: take responsibility for things at home because of your family
Speaker 4: and your children, that's absolutely fine. And if he hadn't
Speaker 4: even mentioned any of that and just said it was
Speaker 4: a tough time for us and moved on. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be here today. The stories were horrible, true, And he's
Speaker 4: the one who's responsible for all of this, is the
Speaker 4: one who's responsible for.
Speaker 2: His wife suffering.
Speaker 3: He's the one that decides to lie to her to say.
Speaker 1: We don't have to tell my wife. He's made all
Speaker 1: those choices.
Speaker 2: The whole conversation around it. It went for a very
Speaker 2: short period of time. It was like maybe five minutes
Speaker 2: or ten minutes of that entire episode. Even though they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: episode four is the great affair episode, it was really
Speaker 2: the redemption It wasn't. It was a tiny blip of
Speaker 2: the redemption arc that is making everyone fall in love
Speaker 2: with David Beckham. If you watched it, you may have
Speaker 2: noticed this. At no point did he deny having an affair.
Speaker 2: At no point did he say I didn't have an affair.
Speaker 2: All he said was that it was very very hard
Speaker 2: for him and for Victoria when the publication started writing
Speaker 2: the things that they were writing, and it was an
Speaker 2: incredibly challenging time and he hated watching Victorias suffered and
Speaker 2: he suffered, but they made it through it he doesn't
Speaker 2: know how he shed a tear. And then he said,
Speaker 2: because we're both fighters, that's how we made our way
Speaker 2: through it. So I would go as far as saying
Speaker 2: that he admits fault without admitting fault, Yes, because he knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much proof out there that he
Speaker 2: did have affairs. There's so many women who claimed that
Speaker 2: they had affairs with him, and also obviously Rebecca Luce
Speaker 2: who has come forward and said that she has all
Speaker 2: the text messages, she has all of the proof. But
Speaker 2: he danced around it in such a careful way. And
Speaker 2: I guess my only part of this where I was like, look,
Speaker 2: it's his memoir. He's allowed to say and do whatever
Speaker 2: he wants to, and the whole purpose of this is
Speaker 2: to frame him in a certain way. But I think,
Speaker 2: all these years later, this woman, who still has no
Speaker 2: public profile, she is now living a relatively normal life
Speaker 2: with her husband and her children, to be dragged back
Speaker 2: into the media sphere. Even though he didn't directly name her,
Speaker 2: she still indirectly gets dragged back into it, and I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of almost unfair how it blows her
Speaker 2: life back into a time and a situation twenty years later,
Speaker 2: and the only motive of that is to make him
Speaker 2: look like he's fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she said, so many people had forgotten about
Speaker 1: all of this. So many people put all this behind them,
Speaker 1: the whole affair, the scandal and everything, and he has
Speaker 1: dragged it back up again in a way that is
Speaker 1: affecting my reputation. I think if he was going to
Speaker 1: touch on this time and how difficult it was, it
Speaker 1: would have been really nice for him to have said
Speaker 1: it was not my proudest moment, which absolutely agree with.
Speaker 1: It's completely not fair on her because this is now
Speaker 1: the most watched thing on Netflix.
Speaker 3: He has eighty five million followers.
Speaker 1: Even if she does respond properly, it doesn't it's it's
Speaker 1: the power and balance. She doesn't have the right of
Speaker 1: reply that he does. It's really unfair to bring this
Speaker 1: back up into her life. And she said she she
Speaker 1: literally moved away from any city she moved to, like
Speaker 1: Norway or something in the mountains.
Speaker 3: She lives in a mountain. She's a yoga teacher.
Speaker 1: She removed herself from that life and now she's been
Speaker 1: thrown back into it. Which is fine if he's going
Speaker 1: to tell the whole story An example of what he
Speaker 1: could have done and owned it, and this person still
Speaker 1: came out on top is Arnold Schwarzenegger. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watched the documentary I recommended Laura like it
Speaker 1: was one of my vibes, like a month or two ago.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone else watched it.
Speaker 1: But he completely owned his affair in his documentary. He
Speaker 1: owned it to the point of like, yes, I did this.
Speaker 1: It was horrific. Baby, No, I know, but he didn't
Speaker 1: have to talk about it. The evidence is walking around,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. Everyone knows David Beckham did right,
Speaker 1: like allegedly, but it's the same thing right.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to.
Speaker 1: He could have said one thing on Swarzenegger. He could
Speaker 1: have said, like, you know, I made a mistake and
Speaker 1: then moved on, But he didn't. He actually spoke about it,
Speaker 1: how much he hurt his family, how it was the
Speaker 1: worst thing he would have ever done. It changed his
Speaker 1: whole life for the worst. I just loved that he
Speaker 1: owned it. He still came out on top because people
Speaker 1: love somebody owning up to a mistake. Try and understand
Speaker 1: why we're all human, Because we are human, right, everybody
Speaker 1: does make mistakes, but it's the way you handle it
Speaker 1: after and I think that was where David went wrong.
Speaker 2: And I agree, and I think in that moment, and
Speaker 2: I might be the minority in this for anyone who's
Speaker 2: seen the series, it made me like him less because
Speaker 2: there was zero accountability that was taken, and if anything,
Speaker 2: there was so much work and so much dialogue that
Speaker 2: was put into framing him as the victim in terms
Speaker 2: of saying things like when I was in England, I
Speaker 2: came home to my family, I came home to my stability.
Speaker 2: But when I was playing for Real Madrid, they weren't
Speaker 2: there and I didn't come home to anyone, and so
Speaker 2: it was so hard for me. There was zero accountability taken,
Speaker 2: even though it was implied that the cheating happened. And
Speaker 2: twenty years on from that, I just think, if you're
Speaker 2: going to talk about it, you have to have the
Speaker 2: maturity to accept it and not to try and in
Speaker 2: those moments completely frame yourself as a victim when clearly
Speaker 2: your actions hurt so many other people. And at the moment,
Speaker 2: there is still this woman, Rebecca Loose, who's going to
Speaker 2: be brought back into it, even though she wasn't directly
Speaker 2: named her name and her story. We was so front
Speaker 2: and center of the media attention at that point in
Speaker 2: time that there is no way she wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be dragged back up. In this instance, this conversation around
Speaker 2: David Beckham kind of led us into another topic, which
Speaker 2: was the Britney Spears book that's coming out very soon.
Speaker 3: Everyone's right, in a memoir you also haven't noticed.
Speaker 1: Yet, But I wore double Denham today because I knew
Speaker 1: we were speaking about Britney Spears and justin Timberlake in an
Speaker 1: ode to their relationship.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much. I'm sorry that I didn't,
Speaker 2: otherwise we could have been all right. Well, look the
Speaker 2: reason I say this whole conversation around like memoirs, who
Speaker 2: owns the story, the redemption arc, the reframing of the
Speaker 2: history in terms of the way media sees you. But
Speaker 2: what happened here and what you might have seen is
Speaker 2: over the last couple of days a part of Britney
Speaker 2: Spears upcoming memoir has been released, and that is the
Speaker 2: story that she had an abortion. The father of that
Speaker 2: child was justin Timberlake. Now, the little bits and pieces
Speaker 2: in the information that we've been given in terms of
Speaker 2: what's been leaked by I'm guessing the publishing company, is
Speaker 2: that Brittany didn't want to have an abortion. She wanted
Speaker 2: to keep the baby, but the people in her sphere
Speaker 2: wanted her to have an abortion. Also, you've got to
Speaker 2: remember that her brand at the time was based off
Speaker 2: being virginal. She was basically the pin up girl of
Speaker 2: being a Christian icon. And it's come out that Justin Timblake,
Speaker 2: who was also super young at the time, he didn't
Speaker 2: want to be a father yet because he felt as
Speaker 2: though he was too young. So that is kind of
Speaker 2: all the information that's come out on it. But there
Speaker 2: has been a lot of conversation across media, and that
Speaker 2: conversation has been is it her story to tell? Because
Speaker 2: Justin hasn't shared that he was part of this, He
Speaker 2: hasn't shared that he was the father, and is it
Speaker 2: completely just her story to talk about this and to
Speaker 2: share that part of the information about him without his consent,
Speaker 2: especially without the context of the book, so that people
Speaker 2: can't you know, we've got this little bit of information,
Speaker 2: but you can't go and read the book and actually
Speaker 2: get the full story yet, so it leaves people to
Speaker 2: make up their own opinions and minds before the point
Speaker 2: is that they can actually get all the information.
Speaker 1: Well, you can actually read it today. It is out
Speaker 1: today October twenty one. Dum Unlike Data Pinkett Smith, she
Speaker 1: has just given a few little tidbits, like she's just
Speaker 1: released a little bit, Whereas I feel like for Jada,
Speaker 1: she's really so much that you don't need to probably
Speaker 1: buy it anymore.
Speaker 2: I feel like you've read the book totally.
Speaker 1: She's done so many interviews, but Brittany has just put
Speaker 1: enough out that people are like, fuck, I want to
Speaker 1: know more before we unpack this a little bit more.
Speaker 1: What Brittany wrote is it was a surprise, But for me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a tragedy. I loved Justin so much. I
Speaker 1: always expected us to have a family together one day.
Speaker 1: This would just be much earlier than I'd anticipated. But
Speaker 1: Justin definitely wasn't happy about the pregnancy. He said we
Speaker 1: weren't ready to have a baby in our lives, that
Speaker 1: we were way too young. If it had been left
Speaker 1: up to me alone, I would never have done it.
Speaker 1: And yet Justin was just so sure that he didn't
Speaker 1: want to be a father. To this day, it is
Speaker 1: one of the most agonizing things I have ever experienced
Speaker 1: in my life. Now, they started dating at seventeen and eighteen,
Speaker 1: and they only dated for three to four years, so
Speaker 1: it had to have been in that time, like very
Speaker 1: very early twenties. Yeah, And the way she's framed it
Speaker 1: is she did it for him, but this was his
Speaker 1: doing and his ideas. So she's made it sound like
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it and he made me
Speaker 1: feel like I had to do it, which is a
Speaker 1: pretty big call to put out to the world when
Speaker 1: you're going to be probably one of the most followed
Speaker 1: people in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're also I mean, there is actually more
Speaker 2: of this conversation that's been released, So there was conversation
Speaker 2: around the fact that she used the abortion pill because
Speaker 2: she couldn't go and see or be recognized, so she
Speaker 2: couldn't go to a hospital, she couldn't go to a
Speaker 2: doctor's It had to be done with such secrecy. She
Speaker 2: actually didn't tell her family, so I think it was
Speaker 2: in terms of what's actually been released so far, the
Speaker 2: only people that he knew was justin So they did
Speaker 2: it together. And I guess my question is, and I
Speaker 2: guess this specifically comes down to this event is who
Speaker 2: owns the story? Because a memoir allows you to tell
Speaker 2: your story. It allows you, like I said, to tell
Speaker 2: your truth. Whether it is the truth or not, it
Speaker 2: is your truth, and it allows you to frame your
Speaker 2: opinion about whoever it is that's on the receiving end
Speaker 2: of that or whoever else, What are the other characters
Speaker 2: play a role in your story? And so this is
Speaker 2: obviously Britney's experience, it's what she lived through. I think
Speaker 2: it's important to talk about an abortion. I think it's
Speaker 2: important to talk about women's choices. It's important to talk
Speaker 2: about what we go through. I don't condemn that by
Speaker 2: any means, but what is your opinion, brit In terms
Speaker 2: of talking about abortion when the other person hasn't consented
Speaker 2: to their name being thrown in the mix. I think
Speaker 2: it's a.
Speaker 3: Really tricky one.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is Britney's Bee's story
Speaker 1: isn't a normal story. She's not a normal person. She
Speaker 1: wasn't in a normal relationship to start with. She has
Speaker 1: been in a conservativeship for thirteen years. She is one
Speaker 1: of the most famous people in the World's had her
Speaker 1: voice silenced for a long time. And nobody will ever
Speaker 1: be able to relate to that. She's been free now,
Speaker 1: quote unquote free for two years, and she wants to speak,
Speaker 1: and she is entitled to speak. It is her body,
Speaker 1: it is her story, it is her choice. She can
Speaker 1: do whatever she wants with that. I absolutely agree on that.
Speaker 1: But where it gets tricky for me is I genuinely
Speaker 1: believe it's also his story just because it doesn't physically
Speaker 1: happen to him. I know, with an abortion, it's the
Speaker 1: woman that goes through so much and it's her body
Speaker 1: that changes, and it's the mental load that she carries.
Speaker 1: But I think would be wrong of us to say
Speaker 1: that it is not also the man's story. Obviously he
Speaker 1: has no control over that. His body isn't traumatized, his
Speaker 1: body isn't going through the same thing, he's not having
Speaker 1: the hormones. But mentally, it's still his child and he's
Speaker 1: still contributed, so it's his story as well. And this
Speaker 1: is where I find it difficult. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with Brittany telling her story because I think it's
Speaker 1: an important part of who she is and what happened
Speaker 1: to her. I do wonder if there was any conversation
Speaker 1: privately between Brittany and Justin or their teams, their managements, whoever.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there was any discussion as a heads
Speaker 1: up that it's coming out. I can only imagine, and
Speaker 1: again we don't fucking know, like we're not there, we
Speaker 1: don't know their stories. But I can only imagine it's
Speaker 1: still bringing something up for him in some capacity. But
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone that can sit there, Well,
Speaker 1: there will be, but I don't think people can sit
Speaker 1: there and say she should.
Speaker 3: Never have said that, that wasn't hers to share.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I asked the question, because it has
Speaker 2: been super divisive. I don't think it's intentionally trying to
Speaker 2: frame him as a bad person or as a villain
Speaker 2: in the narrative. But obviously, you know, if she's telling
Speaker 2: her memoir and she's saying what happened to her in
Speaker 2: that period of life, then even if she doesn't name
Speaker 2: Justin Timberlake, it's pretty obvious who is going to be
Speaker 2: the father, Unless if she doesn't name him and she
Speaker 2: says she had an abortion and she says she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to say who it was, either people are going
Speaker 2: to read between the lines or they're going to think
Speaker 2: that she cheated, right, so it kind of is part
Speaker 2: and parcel of her telling her story. That brings me
Speaker 2: back to this whole conversation of like who owns a memoir?
Speaker 2: Because so many other people's stories are entwined in your
Speaker 2: life story, right, like the things that happened to us
Speaker 2: individually with there are so many other characters and players
Speaker 2: in this. I guess the reason why I feel very
Speaker 2: differently about Britney Spears sharing her abortion story and I
Speaker 2: don't have this like overwhelming sympathy for Justin Timberlake. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: yes it happened, she's telling her version of it, and
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that you didn't want that to come to
Speaker 2: public light, but it has. And that's part and parcel
Speaker 2: of the fact that you're both public figures. You both
Speaker 2: have incredibly powerful platforms to communicate your stories on. I
Speaker 2: guess I come from it from a very different perspective
Speaker 2: in that I think it is so important to talk
Speaker 2: about abortion because I think for so long men have
Speaker 2: been able to benefit from the anonymity of it and
Speaker 2: women experience it. And then we saw everything that happened
Speaker 2: with bro v Wade, where there are so many females
Speaker 2: who are campaigning against it, and women are being villainized
Speaker 2: for doing it. But the reality is so many men,
Speaker 2: so many powerful men, so many successful men, so many
Speaker 2: not powerful men and not successful men have benefited from
Speaker 2: women having abortions. And so I guess for me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I think that the story lays more heavily with her
Speaker 2: because it did happen to her body, because it was
Speaker 2: something that she experienced, and by all sounds of it,
Speaker 2: it wasn't what she wanted, but she felt like she
Speaker 2: had to do it because she didn't have the support
Speaker 2: structures around her to allow her for any other option.
Speaker 1: But then, how do we feel if we flip that
Speaker 1: narrative on its head?
Speaker 3: How do we feel if we never heard.
Speaker 1: From Britney and Justin Timberlake came out and said we
Speaker 1: had an abortion when we were nineteen Britney Speers had
Speaker 1: an abortion, if he had told that story, how.
Speaker 2: Do we feel? I feel differently because I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to abortion, I think the majority of the
Speaker 2: story lays with the female. I maybe the minority in
Speaker 2: thinking that, you know, that might be controversial. People out
Speaker 2: there who have experienced one might think that it is
Speaker 2: a shared experience. But I would say that if it's
Speaker 2: happening to your body, it is major oratively your experience.
Speaker 2: Even if it emotionally affects the other person, it physically
Speaker 2: and emotionally affects you. And so therefore I think if
Speaker 2: you want to talk about it, you can talk about it.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's where I have trouble, because I still
Speaker 1: think it's the man's story as well. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of men that have gone through that that has
Speaker 1: really affected them, and are we to say that just
Speaker 1: because it wasn't in their body, that it's not their story.
Speaker 1: That's where I find it really like a thin line,
Speaker 1: like a thin tight rope to walk on.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 1: If he told the story and Brittany didn't, it would
Speaker 1: be a completely different story from the public's perspective.
Speaker 2: And I guess it also depends on the person's experience
Speaker 2: as to whether they feel like that person is entitled
Speaker 2: to the secrecy or not. There's going to be an
Speaker 2: instance where some people are going to have an abortion
Speaker 2: and they felt completely supported by their partners and it
Speaker 2: was a mutual decision that was gone into with mutual
Speaker 2: respect and validation towards each other. There are going to
Speaker 2: be women who had abortions and they didn't feel like
Speaker 2: they had that support or that mutual respect and validation.
Speaker 2: In which case is that person who who is the
Speaker 2: participant in that pregnancy? Are they entitled to the anonymity?
Speaker 2: And I guess that that's probably the big conversation that
Speaker 2: this comes down to, is that she didn't feel supported,
Speaker 2: she didn't feel like she got to make the decision
Speaker 2: that she wanted to make, and therefore she wants to
Speaker 2: talk about it. And for me, when it comes to abortion,
Speaker 2: I think the pendulum needs to swing. People need to
Speaker 2: be speaking about it because the only reason why we
Speaker 2: don't is because it is shrouded in shame. It's shrouded
Speaker 2: in this moral dilemma, and so by speaking about it
Speaker 2: it kind of starts to remove that and break that down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the difference is, and I said it before,
Speaker 1: is that it's because Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake are
Speaker 1: a different kettle of fish. It's different to a normal
Speaker 1: everyday woman that works in nine to five that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a public profile. It's different to her going to
Speaker 1: her friends on the Saturday night and saying, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I had an abortion.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Do you have to go and get the consent from
Speaker 1: your partner or your ex or whoever? It was No,
Speaker 1: because it's a really trusted, tight knit community with Britney
Speaker 1: Spears and Justin Timberlay. There is not going to be
Speaker 1: one media outlet in the world that is not talking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: So it does hit on a different level.
Speaker 1: If Justin had no warning that that was even coming,
Speaker 1: who knows how that could affect him because it's not
Speaker 1: coming from one person. It's not coming from a friend
Speaker 1: that's like, hey, Britney said you had an abortion. This
Speaker 1: is going to be such a hugely publicized event, a
Speaker 1: media storm, and there will be a pylon. It's going
Speaker 1: to have backlash. So all I think when I look
Speaker 1: at this situation is sure she could tell it, but
Speaker 1: I would hope maybe there was just a heads up
Speaker 1: from the team, Like it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: written permission, but like I feel like, and we don't
Speaker 1: know because we don't know the situation, but I feel
Speaker 1: like maybe a courtesy thing of it is happening just
Speaker 1: so you know, like this is coming out, just so
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I guess like she's such a unique case, and like,
Speaker 2: there's definitely two ways you can talk about this. You
Speaker 2: can talk about it how we feel about it in
Speaker 2: general as a conversation, or you can talk about it
Speaker 2: specifically with Britney Spears. The only thing that I want
Speaker 2: to say and add to this in terms of her
Speaker 2: specific story is she was demonized by Justin Timberlake when
Speaker 2: he wrote the song crime a River and his film
Speaker 2: clip had an actress in it that was meant to
Speaker 2: look like Britney Spears. It was meant to be a
Speaker 2: representation of her, and he made her be the villain.
Speaker 2: He destroyed her good girl persona by being very public
Speaker 2: about the fact that she had cheated on him, she'd
Speaker 2: kissed someone else. In this book, she's come out to
Speaker 2: say that, you know, he also cheated on her, And
Speaker 2: so I guess this is her way of explaining what
Speaker 2: she experienced in that period of her life to also
Speaker 2: try and reframe the fact that she wasn't the villain
Speaker 2: and the fact that she was a nineteen year old
Speaker 2: girl who went through so much and yet at the
Speaker 2: end of it was made to look like she was
Speaker 2: such an awful, horrible person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of the day, there were kids.
Speaker 1: I did see a PR expert come out just these
Speaker 1: last couple of days since this excert has dropped, saying,
Speaker 1: basically saying, from her expert opinion, she's a Hollywood PR expert,
Speaker 1: Justin has to respond. She's like, there is no way
Speaker 1: out of this. Silent doesn't exist. He's going to have
Speaker 1: to make a statement, and she says, I think he
Speaker 1: needs to make it before the release. But the release
Speaker 1: is today, so we haven't seen any We recorded this
Speaker 1: yesterday or Monday. This is Tuesday, so unless it comes
Speaker 1: out tonight, maybe his team are waiting to read the
Speaker 1: whole thing, the whole chapter before they make your response.
Speaker 3: But I think we're going to hear from him.
Speaker 1: I don't think in this situation you can cruise through
Speaker 1: on silent mode.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I would love to know people's opinions
Speaker 2: on this, because I do think that an abortion story
Speaker 2: lays more predominantly with the female who experiences it than
Speaker 2: the man. I'm not saying that his feelings are invalid,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying that as a female, I think that
Speaker 2: Brittany has every right to speak about it, and unfortunately
Speaker 2: Justin has to weather the storm of that in some way.
Speaker 2: And he is not a victim in that he has
Speaker 2: a huge profile, a huge media profile, and he has
Speaker 2: the right of reply. I guess that that's how I
Speaker 2: feel about it, and I would love to know if
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 3: That that is not correct. Anyway, let's get into accident unfiltered.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is an absolute cracker. I cannot believe I'm
Speaker 1: telling somebody this story, let alone the whole nation. So
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen, I had my first boyfriend and
Speaker 1: he told me he loved blowjobs. So I was like, oh, easy,
Speaker 1: I can do that. We're in his bedroom, things were
Speaker 1: getting hot and heavy. I saw my opportunity. It was
Speaker 1: my moment to shine. So I went down and I
Speaker 1: blew on his dick. Yep, you read it right. I
Speaker 1: blew on his dick and I came back up to
Speaker 1: see his reaction, and.
Speaker 2: I thinking I nailed that blow. It was a solid blow.
Speaker 3: He looked at me like, oh, sweetheart, that's not it.
Speaker 2: And I literally never saw him again. What do you
Speaker 2: mean you never saw him again?
Speaker 3: He goes to d I'm now twenty two. I'm still
Speaker 3: horrified by this story. Every single time I have sex
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: About it also, that's and yes, so you know I
Speaker 1: do know how to give a blowjob.
Speaker 2: Now stop it.
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 2: I broke up with my first boyfriend when I was
Speaker 2: fifteen because you wouldn't let me give him a blowjob?
Speaker 2: Why why not? I don't fucking know. But I tried
Speaker 2: like three times and he wouldn't let me. And we
Speaker 2: dated for a year and a half and we'd never
Speaker 2: gotten past just like the heavy petting stage, through close
Speaker 2: through complete clothes. But I was young and I wanted
Speaker 2: to take things further. I was like fifteen heading into sixteen,
Speaker 2: and we've been dating for a year and a half
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't let me. And at the time I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it now obviously, guys, but I was young
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm ready to take my experimenting
Speaker 2: one step further and he was not, And I.
Speaker 3: Was like, Okay, I guess he's fuck you.
Speaker 2: Oh come elsewhere? I yeah, Well then it was dumbly,
Speaker 2: like dumbley, that's not even a word, stupidly. I didn't
Speaker 2: remember having sex for like two years. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's what happened. Do you know what you need to
Speaker 2: go and get tickets if you're on Gold Coast.
Speaker 3: And come to the Gold Coast Show, which is on tomorrow, Wednesday, tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this is Tuesday and you're listening to it,
Speaker 2: or if this is not Tuesday and you're listening to
Speaker 2: it late, you might have missed it. But anyway, we've
Speaker 2: still got Amber in Brisbane to come tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Guys, we are dropping an absolutely incredible episode with the
Speaker 1: one and only Trinny Woodhall aka Trinny London.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: We interviewed her last week and she's just a fucking dream.
Speaker 1: She ain't so amazing in person, and the second she
Speaker 1: walked in the door, she walked in with her entourage
Speaker 1: and she was just like the sun. I saw her
Speaker 1: at the rest of the receptionist. The sun was behind
Speaker 1: her like an angel, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're amazing. She's one of those people that walks into
Speaker 1: a room and without even trying commands attention.
Speaker 3: Do you know those people?
Speaker 2: The sun wasn't behind her, it was shining out of her.
Speaker 2: She literally is the sun and we are actually all
Speaker 2: just orbiting around Trinny Woodow. We didn't realize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the interview is tomorrow and we talk about
Speaker 1: so much. She has such an incredibly interesting life that
Speaker 1: I had no idea about. She's gone through so many chapters,
Speaker 1: and she refers to her life a lot in decades.
Speaker 3: So when she reflects back, she talks.
Speaker 1: About decades, the hardest decade, the best decade, the most
Speaker 1: successful decade, the lowest lows, and addictions that she went
Speaker 1: through too.
Speaker 3: She went to rehab, which a.
Speaker 1: Lot of people probably don't know, to her highly successful career,
Speaker 1: to her journey to motherhood, like we really really cover
Speaker 1: it all, and she's truly such an inspiration. Well.
Speaker 2: She also talks about how this period of her life
Speaker 2: is her most happiest and how she you know, I
Speaker 2: think this idea that and we've seen it a lot
Speaker 2: play out over social media. There's we've been many conversations
Speaker 2: around how our currency as a woman, like the things
Speaker 2: that we can bring, whether it be to our work
Speaker 2: or whether it be within the media, that we as
Speaker 2: we age, our value decreases. And Triny is the absolute
Speaker 2: antithesis of that. And she says it for herself, and
Speaker 2: maybe it's the privilege of working for herself, but she
Speaker 2: says that she's never seen age as a limiting factor
Speaker 2: in what she's been able to achieve in her life,
Speaker 2: and she has only become more successful as she has
Speaker 2: gotten older. And I love the way that she speaks
Speaker 2: about aging, the way that she speaks about her own successes,
Speaker 2: and all about is on tomorrow's episode.
Speaker 3: And that's it from us, guys.
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