1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Houred by the iHeartRadio Waffle from ninety six AIRFM to 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: whereever you're listening today. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: This is Clezy and Lisa's podcast. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Coming up. On the podcast, you'll hear us of course 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: asking you about that minor inconvenience that immediately ticks you off. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: And we spoke to Katherine Eisman, who's the host of 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: the new paramount show Undressed and the wonderful Myth Warhurst 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: this morning. The question is what is a minor inconvenience 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: that instantly ticks you off? It goes without saying, not 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: getting a thank you wave. You know, it might seem 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: like a minor inconvenience. It is enough to set me 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: off into it, especially in a state where they've had 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: campaign personality of some sort. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: There's been a campaign in w Wade to give a 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: little friendly one. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: The fact that we need a campaign ticks me off. 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: But anyway, when I've let you. 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: In, yeah I can't handle it. 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: But another thing that is a minor inconvenience it seems 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: to stared me off, is when you turn on the 21 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: radio and your favorite song is just in that last 22 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: beat that's just. 23 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: Ending, especially if you really love the startup and. 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: You've been waiting to hear it all day. 25 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: That's annoying. 26 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: That's one. 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: What about I've got a couple of I've got one 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: that people will relate to. You know, when you're really 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: chomping down on a great meal or a piece of 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: fruit or whatever you're eating, and you will bite your 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: gum or your lip and for some reason you do 32 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: it over and over the next two days. Is swelling. 33 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure anything inside your mouth always feels ten 34 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: times you know what the size it really is, and 35 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: there's a whole, but. 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: It's always the most powerful chomp. When you happen to 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 1: do it, it's like. 38 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: Ah, and why how does it even happen? 39 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: And not constantly check for blood? Is it bleeding? 40 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: I've made mine bled? Yeah, that's that's a hard bite 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: when it bleeds. 42 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: That really ticks me off. 43 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 3: What about when you're in line and the people behind 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: just get that bit too close? 45 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Personal space? 46 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Personal space? 47 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, awareness about close talkers close talkers, same kind of thing, 48 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: isn't It's almost like a claustrophobic feeling. 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: All right? Linda and Edgewater? Hello, Linda, Hi, guys, how 50 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: you're going good? What's yours? 51 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: So both my husband and mine. You're walking through the 52 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 4: shopping center and when you could buy a full load 53 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: of shopping, you're coming towards people, and the other people 54 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: that are coming in the opposite way are on their 55 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: phone and they expect you to move. 56 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Happens a lot, Linda, Yep, a lot of unawareness. Well 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: on the phone definitely triggers a lot of us. 58 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: I think, what do you do? Snarl all the way home? Sorry, 59 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: you both snarl about it all the way home? 60 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: Yes, and the other one is and I mean, maybe 61 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: I'm getting too old or something. But when you're going 62 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 4: to the shopping center and you have camar wherever you go, 63 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter, and maybe have maybe one screaming child, 64 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: and then it sets another one off, and another one another. 65 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: One domin, very very sorry. 66 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: It's even worse on a plane. 67 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to me about that later on that phone thing. 68 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: I don't move around them, by the way, I will 69 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: just stop in front of them until they realize what 70 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: they're doing. 71 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Oh, we do. 72 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 4: And they are absolutely dejected. They are absolutely disgusted in you. 73 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 4: Oh well, so you put them out? 74 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 75 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, they include the what's going on in the discussion? Oh, sorry, 76 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: something I'm just having to work all my way around this. 77 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 5: Persona that is a beauty. A lot of things to 78 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 5: live with phones, a lot of things. I can see 79 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 5: people sometimes I'm going this person is going to walk 80 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 5: into this pool or something. 81 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: You have you tooted one when they're on the phone 82 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: in front shooting them, they jump about six feet in 83 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: the air. 84 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: It's hilarious. 85 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: Is about to step on the terrace or something? You? 86 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: Chris and Erskine, Hello. 87 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Morning, How are you good? 88 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: What is it for you? Chris? 89 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 6: Going to Bunnings and in the trolleys are dogs, But 90 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 6: I'm not buying anything, just walking around. Show and tell, 91 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 6: Show and tell. Look at me, look at me, and 92 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 6: there is nothing by I look. 93 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: I don't understand dogs in bunnies that. 94 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: I love my dog and she likes an outing, but 95 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: she doesn't want to go to Bunnings. 96 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: What do I want to take my dog to bunny. 97 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: Did you think he's an outing? Chris? That's it. 98 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 6: I think I've got issues. 99 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: It's strange. 100 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: Why that's the requirement. 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 6: I've got a dog. I'm going to back out. 102 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems fraught with fraughtness. Taking the whole 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: bunch of dogs to bunnies. I've not seen an incident 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: or anything, but then I've not seen too many dogs 105 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: and bunnings. 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 6: I actually I haven't seen looking dog. 107 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: Right really, and they're meant to be best on show. 108 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 6: It's a bit like a Walmart thing, isn't Yeah? 109 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: Why the dogs and bunnies? 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 7: Yeah? 111 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely don't want to see any dog poops 112 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: and bunnies. 113 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: Well that's it, isn't it. Yeah? Thanks Chris, Good on you, Chris. 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: This would be easy if you start putting your mind 115 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: to it. I just thought of one. When you're driving 116 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: down the street someone comes out of someone's in a 117 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: side street or coming out of their driveway and they're 118 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: going so fast you think they're not going to stop cheese. 119 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: That ticks me off, and so you hesitate or your 120 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: second guessing all the time. So many things we could say. 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: You don't stop is really well, it's worse. Yes, Galen Averley, Hello. 122 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 8: Good morning, How are you good? 123 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: What ticks you off? 124 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 8: What ticks me off is when you message someone on 125 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 8: messenger and you can see that they've seen your message 126 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 8: and they don't reply. 127 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I reckon, they've just gone. I'll get back to them later. 128 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but they've read it, and you're waiting and 129 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 8: it's something important and you just keep checking and they 130 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 8: just don't reply. 131 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: It's a problem because it says red. 132 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 5: Right. 133 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: And you know what's what also ticks me off about 134 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: myself when I open someone's message and I know now 135 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: that they. 136 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Know that I've read it, but. 137 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: I can't be bothered answering them. 138 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have opened it. Then I could plead I 139 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: haven't seen it, but read. 140 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: Actually, the fact that that is implemented, you know, that 141 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: comes into play, that they can see that. That ticks 142 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: me off. 143 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's too much ticking off. 144 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 8: Thank you, Gail, Thank you. 145 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: Answer Gail on the messenger people, Yeah, Terry. 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: And Slavia, Hello, good. What's a minor inconvenience? But as you. 147 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 7: Right, when you go to shopping, thinkers and they've got 148 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 7: base for small cars and big cars and system partner 149 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 7: in them, even though he's pretty car packing. 150 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: So they've just gone into any old bay that really 151 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: cared their way close or whatever. 152 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a reason that they've got them here. It's 153 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 7: normally a safety thing. Yes, so people can see cars 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 7: the distrey and crossings in the light. But then because 155 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 7: it's closer. 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: Some people don't want to work the extra seven. 157 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like five out of six cars 158 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: or four drives these days, and I always seem to 159 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: be parked between two of them when I'm trying to 160 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: get out of the carpet in terrible Yeah. So small 161 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: car bays are smaller car base, which means we can't 162 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: open our door. 163 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: When do you park next to us. 164 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: The only one you're pulling in at the time, Please 165 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: just think. Thanks Terry, Terry up to Brook. 166 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 3: Last call. Candice in ellen Brook, Hello, Hello, Hello, you good. 167 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: What is the minor inconvenience. 168 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: When you put leftovers in the streets and somebody eats? 169 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: Oh that's yeah, that's a fairly significantly. 170 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: Shared house or family or a bit of both. Candice family. 171 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 9: Yeah, you're going to work, come home, you think, oh, yes, 172 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 9: I've got. 173 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 10: This when I come home, and then you've. 174 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: Been looking forward to it since about three o'clock and 175 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: it's gone. 176 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah you being a brother with two sisters, I was 177 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: guilty of that a few times. 178 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Always thanks Candas, thank you. Do you know what 179 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: else I hate? I'm going quite the list, No bowls, 180 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: the fridge. 181 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: It's when someone gets something to eat, like it might 182 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: be a bottle of ice cream or something, and they're 183 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: coming back to coming back to the couch, but they've 184 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: got to stop and have a bout full on the ways. 185 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: Sit down. 186 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 3: You look like a nine year old. 187 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing. 188 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: That with you standing there with your mouth open. It 189 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: is like I can't stand it? 190 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Is it because they're sort of gazing at the TV 191 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: as well? 192 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: It's like they're in a trance. 193 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: I love eating in transit, No. 194 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: I hate it. I might have a prawn cracker. 195 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Well on the way out of the packer. 196 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, happy Dan, But yeah, no eating in transit holding 197 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: a bowl. 198 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: I can't stand. 199 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's most disturbing about our phone. Your whole 200 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: phone topic this morning. How many things you can think 201 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: of if you stop and really think about those. 202 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: Three weeks more Lisa more podcasts soon ninety six. Australian 203 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: TV host, journalist, radio broadcaster, an Australian National treasure Mif 204 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: Warhurst has written her autobiography Time of My Life. It's 205 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: out now and Miff is with us this morning. 206 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 10: Good morning, morning, Cleary and Lisa. 207 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 11: How you going good? 208 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: Look if I'm about three quarters of the way through 209 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: time of my life. I'm just loving it, not just 210 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: because I couldn't agree more that music and memories share 211 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: such a bond, but because I just love nostalgia. And 212 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: I grew up also in that era of countdown. Mission 213 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: Brown and Individual bagged after dinner mint. 214 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 10: So, oh my god, classy, did you. 215 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: Have the special little silver serving tray, the little rectangle 216 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: basket with the hat? 217 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: Oh very high brow? 218 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 10: Oh yes, you were very posh. If you had that 219 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 10: was that was next level. Like you probably had a 220 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 10: pool in your backyard, and. 221 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: We had that right side of the tracks. 222 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: We didn't have a second story though. 223 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 9: So funny, isn't it like all these things as soon 224 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 9: as you say them, and it is like music. And 225 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 9: that's I guess why I wrote them, because all my 226 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 9: memories sort of around particular songs and sounds like most people's. 227 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 9: It's like it's like taste and smell. Sometimes you can 228 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 9: just be transported back immediately. So it was a really 229 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 9: easy device for me to be able to then tell 230 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 9: my stories or at least even tap into the memory bank, 231 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 9: which I've got to say, Yeah, as I'm nearing fifty, 232 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 9: is not so not so. 233 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: Flashy struggled of it. You have to ask a few 234 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: questions around the place. 235 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 10: Yeah I did. 236 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 9: I had to ask a lot of friends to find out, Oh, 237 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 9: did what really happen? 238 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 10: And they're like, yes, it did. 239 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, It's so interesting to see your music, you know, 240 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: knowledge and love evolved throughout the book because you say 241 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: early on, people might think some of my early choices 242 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: are a bit daggy, and I mean they're not because 243 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: I slept in my Abba socks on my Abba pillow. 244 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 3: Case for a long time as well. And then they 245 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: just they they evolved. 246 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 10: And you mean my music tastes or everybody. 247 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: Yours particularly, Yeah, Well, look. 248 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 9: I think you can't choose the music that comes to 249 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 9: you when when you're little, and the stuff that's really formative. 250 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 9: But quite often that stuff that that cuts through is 251 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 9: really great. 252 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 10: And we look so lucky to have. 253 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 9: Incredible artists like Abba that wrote the most amazing pop 254 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 9: songs but also really kind of mournful at the same 255 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 9: time and really, you know, beautiful. 256 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 10: And we're also really lucky to have someone like the Beg's. 257 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 10: I think about that. I think the stuff that got. 258 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 9: Through in a very mainstream way because we didn't have 259 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 9: the internet when we were growing up. 260 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 10: I think was of an extraordinary quality. 261 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 9: But it was also sort of happening for the first time, 262 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 9: and so I think very lucky. But you know, for 263 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 9: a long time I was a bit embarrassed of my 264 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 9: love with Kenny Rodgers and Dolly Parton. 265 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: And now go warm to behind in the stream? 266 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: How you you can't do that? If I got this 267 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: belief that music gave if you're a real music fan, 268 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: you know you can have a klepkick taste and the 269 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: rest of it. The two last two gigs I went to, 270 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: one of them was with Lisa on Friday night, was 271 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish. The average age of the crowd was fourteen 272 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: fourteen year old girls. And the gig guy I saw 273 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: before that was Kiss three weeks ago. But I don't 274 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: really care, how all right am? I just love to 275 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: go to music. 276 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 9: You must be the same, absolutely, And I think that's 277 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 9: the one thing that we can continue to do until 278 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 9: we drop off the perch, and that is enjoy watching 279 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,359 Speaker 9: other people's performances. 280 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 10: We're human beings. 281 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 9: We love to commune, we love we love to see 282 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 9: other people enjoying themselves. But we also love to go 283 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 9: with the shared purpose and I think music's always played 284 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 9: that role for me. I get to I get to 285 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 9: be with my p people, and yeah, I think you 286 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,479 Speaker 9: never lose that, hopefully. 287 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 10: Yeah, you say. 288 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: In the book something that I really liked. 289 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: There is no such thing when it comes to music 290 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: as guilty pleasures. There is just pleasures, just pleasures, like 291 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: what you like, and it doesn't matter, you know. 292 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 9: And that's what I really learned, because you know, I 293 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 9: worked in a lot of radio and print media, and 294 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 9: it was a time when people were very serious about 295 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 9: their music, all the facts, all the figures, all the 296 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 9: you know, if you like this, that's terrible. 297 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 10: And I like this, and that's the best in the world. 298 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 10: And I think as I've gotten old. 299 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 9: I realized I don't need to identify myself by the 300 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 9: type of music that I like anymore, because that's what 301 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 9: happens when you get older. 302 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 10: You don't need it to. 303 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 9: Sort of communicate who you are. So you can like 304 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 9: whatever you like, you know, and if. 305 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 10: It gives you pleasure, then that is absolutely fine. 306 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 9: And it might not be someone else's taste, but you know, 307 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 9: Kenny and Dolly may not be someone else's taste, but 308 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 9: it's mine and I'm happy for it. 309 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you've got to love it. Hope. If we 310 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: were and asked Lisa and I who were the grumpiest interviews, 311 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: I want to know who you've met, but the grumpy 312 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: interviews you must have had a few, and you're a 313 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: very lovable person. But there are some where you just go, 314 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: this person's really hard work. 315 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, Well, there were a couple speaking of you know, 316 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 9: sort of older folk who kind of would would say 317 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 9: that this is what we're intrue and nothing else. 318 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 10: Matters kind of thing. I think that I can't mention 319 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 10: a name. 320 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: Because but I had a I had a rock. 321 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 9: And roller who's it was very much responsible for starting 322 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 9: punk rock and roll here in Australia who came on 323 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 9: Bispects and he. 324 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 10: Was divine off camera. 325 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 9: Like just gorgeous, really nice having you know, we had 326 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 9: a great chat and then the cameras came on and 327 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 9: then it nothing gave me the whole show and. 328 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 10: I was just like God. 329 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: Rolled into a false sense of security just by your 330 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: punk clue. 331 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: I had a similar problem. I wonder if it's the 332 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: same person. 333 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: I wonder if it is the same problem doing more 334 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: at the other end of the scale, he. 335 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 9: Had to keep his act up as well. 336 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 10: So all power to him. 337 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the stick. 338 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: At the other end of the scale, something that Clercy 339 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: and I talk about often and we all share in common, is, 340 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: you know, how if we could have told our teenage 341 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: selves about some of our music idols that one day 342 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: we'd get to meet an interview because of our job, 343 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: our teenage minds would have, you know, just lost their 344 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: We would have lost our tidy minds. 345 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 3: What is top? I know you've got a lot of 346 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: those stories too. 347 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: What's the top of the list of those experiences for you? 348 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 10: Oh? My goodness. 349 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 12: I think look sitting in a hotel room with ac 350 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 12: DC and like growing up listening to having older brothers 351 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 12: and listening to Back in Black when that record came out, 352 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 12: and then being so excited to think that I'd be 353 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 12: in New York City interviewing ac DC at. 354 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 9: The top of the Sony Building and you know that 355 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 9: was that was a pretty oh my god moment. 356 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 7: Yeah. 357 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 10: So the other a couple of months ago. 358 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 9: This is funny because I opened the book talking about 359 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 9: how when I was really little, I kissed the television 360 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 9: when Darryl Braithwait was on with. 361 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 13: And that was obviously one of my formative musical Loves. 362 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 13: I'm not, I think, because Darryl looked amazing, but also 363 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 13: he I thought he was singing about cricket, and I had. 364 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 10: All the brothers. Of course, it was my two loves 365 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 10: at the time. 366 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 9: Anyway, he actually contributed to a podcast talking about the 367 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 9: success of Horses, the song that is now Australia's unofficial 368 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 9: anthem that he sings, and he actually called me. 369 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 10: On the phone and that's when my little thirteen year 370 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 10: old self was absolutely friend. He went, yeah, hello, if 371 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 10: it's Darryl braithwait. 372 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: Just straight back in front of that telly with him 373 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: singing how's that? 374 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: In his point. 375 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: And the book at the time of my life you 376 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: should have been subtitled no One puts me f in 377 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: the corner? I reckon? Are you a tragic for dirty dancing? 378 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Being honest? Yeah, tragy, dirty dancing tragic? 379 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 10: Oh my god, of course I am again. Another formative film. 380 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 9: And the soundtrack to that movie was amazing too, because 381 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 9: I hadn't heard a lot of that sort of fifties 382 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 9: rock and roll, and that showcased it. And because you know, 383 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 9: of course, like again we didn't have the Internet, that 384 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 9: really opened up a couple a whole lot of doors 385 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 9: for me musically too, which I think most people don't credit. 386 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 10: That movie with. They think it's just. 387 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 9: Like a rom com or not even a rock comments 388 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 9: it's just not more like a teen sort of romance movie, 389 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 9: But in actual fact it was. 390 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 10: It was a great introduction, just oneerful songs. So yeah, huge, 391 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 10: and you've done. 392 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 2: You've done the lift, You've done. 393 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 9: Alan and I did the lift when we did our 394 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 9: first inspects to it, and he broke my rib. 395 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: Oh God, we must all this this talk of dancing. 396 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: We have to tell us about Keep on Dancing, the 397 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: two part documentary that starts tonight on the ABC, which 398 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: you hope it is amazing. 399 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 9: I was so lucky to do this week experiment with 400 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 9: a bunch of bolder folk looking at how to reduce 401 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 9: the effects of aging over over sixty five and they 402 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 9: did a dance routine and learned it from go to 403 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 9: WO with no experience at all. 404 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 10: And I'm not sure if you remember Kelly Abby, the choreographer. 405 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 10: She used to be in E Street, but I do 406 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 10: woman and she trained these these people. They're beautiful people. 407 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 10: I had the best time. It's one of the most 408 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 10: special things I've ever been involved in. So all right, Yeah, 409 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 10: I'm just really pleased about that. Well that I learned 410 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 10: a lot as well. Dancing's good for us. 411 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: It's good for us, kept you young. 412 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: And that starts tonight and the autobiography Time in My 413 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: Life is out now. 414 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: It's just fabulous, myth Thank you for joining us. 415 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 10: Thanks pleasingly, so lovely to talk to you too. 416 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: She is. That's good, isn't it? 417 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: Forgetting? 418 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: She's getting her She doesn't have a bathroom at the moment. 419 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: You getting some work out of her place. She's hoping 420 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 2: she could have a shower before the book. 421 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Watch Scotty Campa whistle and stools down, plumbers in the background. 422 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 14: No more Lisa, More podcasts soon ninety six. 423 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: There's a new show starting on Thursday, Lisa, we speak 424 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: about Paramount plus it it's called Undressed. 425 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 3: Catherine Heisman is the host. She is joining us now, 426 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: Hello Catherine, Hi. 427 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 11: And I'm dressed for this segment, I promise. 428 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Oh well, yes, I was looking for the show yesterday 429 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 2: on Paramount, but unfortunately it doesn't start until Thursday. So 430 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 2: tell us about the concept of the show. 431 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, Well, it's basically the idea that we reveal 432 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 14: the biggest, deepest parts of ourselves through the clothes that 433 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 14: we wear. And no one really looks at fashion through 434 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 14: that lens. And so it's this amazing group of people 435 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 14: that are strangers that I've never met before, and they're 436 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 14: invited into a circle. It's this social experiment and I 437 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 14: invite each of them into the center of the circle 438 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 14: and I asked, would you like to have a reading? 439 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 14: And I tell them who I see when I look 440 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 14: at their clothes, the deepest parts of them, the you know, 441 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 14: the best qualities, the past, as everything about them, and 442 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 14: then we they feel seen for the very first time. 443 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 14: It's this very emotional experience and I think everyone watching 444 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 14: this couldn't see yourselves in these different individuals. And then 445 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 14: we set on what it's not a makeover at all 446 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 14: and not interested in makeover because you just makeover as 447 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 14: a superficial You just put clothes on them, they can 448 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 14: take them off. It's a transformation where we ask the question, 449 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 14: if you change your clothes, can you change your life? 450 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 14: And we follow them on this journey and it is 451 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 14: absolutely breathtaking to see what happens. 452 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so it can be a change of mindset more important, 453 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: than anything. 454 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 14: Yeah, once you idea, once you see yourself through that 455 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 14: lens of like and you have someone who you've never 456 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 14: met before actually identify these qualities that you think are hidden, 457 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 14: and then it unlocks you and then you are able 458 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 14: to choose the clothing that expresses that unlocked version of yourself. 459 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 14: So that you know, in life, so much of communications 460 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 14: non verbal unless you're on radio, and you can use 461 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 14: fashion as a tool that says so much for you, 462 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 14: and it can attract the opportunities, the people and make 463 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 14: you feel most importantly the version of yourself that you want, 464 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 14: and it changes the course of someone's life. So it's 465 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 14: a deep transformation that it just happens to use fashion 466 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 14: as the mechanism to get there. 467 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: All right, how did you get into this line of work? 468 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 11: I know, Well, it's a good question. 469 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 14: I as a young girl, I realized I had this 470 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 14: kind of really unique ability where I could look at 471 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 14: someone's clothes and see them. And when I was younger, 472 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 14: I wrote my first book, How to Tell a Man 473 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 14: by His Shoes, really as a guide to help. 474 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 11: Me at the time I was single. 475 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 3: I was like, there's got to be an easier way. 476 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 14: And that ended up being international, their seller and kind 477 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 14: of and then I wrote my second book, How to 478 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 14: Tell a Woman by Her Handbag, And of course once 479 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 14: you've written those books, everywhere you go people say, oh, 480 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 14: what are my shoes? 481 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 11: What are my bag? What am i cloth? 482 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: Say? 483 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 14: And I just did it all around the world if 484 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 14: it was based in the US for a very long time, 485 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 14: and I thought, this needs to be a show. 486 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 11: People need to see fashion through this. 487 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 14: Len and and it can help them with their life 488 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 14: and also entertain them. And so that's how it came about. 489 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 3: Sometimes you've got to be careful what you ask for. 490 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: Have people asked you tell me, tell me, read me, 491 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 3: read me. 492 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: And then that you've said something and they've said, I 493 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: beg your. 494 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 14: I'm sorry, I didn't choose this outfit. 495 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: My wife did judging us, Oh what's. 496 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: Wrong with my outfit? You get a bit of that. 497 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 14: Well, you know, I don't because I don't judge. Somewhere 498 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 14: everyone thinks they're going to be judged, and it's not that. 499 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 14: It's actually seeing someone and so you do see that, 500 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 14: you see them in the complexity of them, and they 501 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 14: actually it's actually a really beautiful experience. I've never had 502 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 14: someone until today I've never had someone not appreciate it 503 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 14: and feel that intimacy and feel seen. And because I'm 504 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 14: not judging them, there's not I'm not saying, oh, everyone 505 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 14: should be wearing this. 506 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 11: I'm the I really hate that actually. 507 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 14: And then but then I can point out, like, Okay, 508 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 14: I can see things that have happened to you in 509 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 14: the past, and you're dressing this way, You're reaffirming that 510 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 14: negative self image or that bad habit, and are you 511 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 14: getting the results you want? And the answer is no. 512 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 14: And then it's like, well, what maybe we need to 513 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 14: get changed? 514 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: Literally, did you just slip in until today? Have you 515 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: said someone's a ocation? 516 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 7: No? 517 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 11: But it's coming up, right, guys? 518 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: OK, what about the cost of everything? As we know, 519 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: we get sick of talking about the cost of everything 520 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: is going up? But does this affect what you're doing 521 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: and how people can dress? I'm clothing is going up too? 522 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 7: Yeah? 523 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 14: Absolutely, Look I am I'm like, even though I love fashion, 524 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 14: I'm as happy to wear something from Kmart as I 525 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 14: am a designer piece and it really and one of 526 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 14: the great things. Even though costs of living is going 527 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 14: up in some ways, and this is a controversial thing 528 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 14: as well, like The cost of clothing is also slightly 529 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 14: going down depending on where you shot because of different 530 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 14: manufacturing things. So I really believe that it doesn't depend 531 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 14: on how much money you make. It's really about you 532 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 14: can go into any store and pick clothing that makes 533 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 14: you feel good, or you can make buy a clothing 534 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 14: that makes you feel bad, no matter what your price points. 535 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 11: So and you can go vint each o. 536 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 14: You can even shop your A lot of the stuff 537 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 14: on this show is about just curating your own wardrobe. 538 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 14: You don't even have to buy a single thing. Like 539 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 14: maybe it's about wearing the thing that you bought in 540 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 14: a moment of hopefulness but you haven't had the confidence 541 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 14: to step into or getting rid of the clothes that 542 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 14: reaffirm those negative you know, experiences. So maybe you don't 543 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 14: have to spend any money. 544 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 11: Maybe you can sell some stuff and make money. 545 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: Maybe. 546 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: Okay, well you've seen what we're wearing today, so can 547 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: you see us? 548 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 11: I can see? 549 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 14: Okay, so I'm seeing, like, is it the black blazer 550 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 14: with the black pants? 551 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 11: Is that? Is that the outfit on which one of 552 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 11: us on, Oh on you? Is that? 553 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: Yes? 554 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 11: Are you? Why don't you just is that your outfit? 555 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 11: Just describe your outfit. 556 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 3: To me, we said, we said some photos through. 557 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 14: Oh okay, is it a black dress? Yes, okay, beautiful, Okay, great, 558 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 14: you look amazing. I can't believe that was okay. So 559 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 14: you're wearing a black square neck dress with a wrap, 560 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 14: some rouching, some black tights, and some black boots, just 561 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 14: to describe it for everyone, and then a single necklace 562 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 14: which probably has maybe sentimental value on it in it, 563 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 14: I'm not sure. Okay, So what I would like to 564 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 14: you're someone probably. 565 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: I'm not a really big jewelry person, so yeah, yeah, 566 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: small as in an accessorizing jewelry person, that jewelry person. 567 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 14: Yeah, less is more for you, and I can see 568 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 14: that as a holistically for you. You do like to 569 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 14: keep things quite simple, quite hard back. You kind of 570 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 14: you kind it's interesting because you work in media, but 571 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 14: there's a little part of you that likes to kind 572 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 14: of safely hide as well and not feel completely exposed 573 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 14: or seen. There's that contradiction between the two of you. 574 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 14: You've got the brightly red lips, so there's a boldness 575 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 14: to you, there's a there's a strength to you. 576 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 11: At the same time, you don't like to be. 577 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 14: Uh, like to be recognized for what you have to say, 578 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 14: not for the clothes that you choose to wear, which 579 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 14: is really speaks to your value system. 580 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 11: Open your spot. 581 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: You've nailed it. 582 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: You have nailed it. 583 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we really have. 584 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: Okay you feel feeling No, I'm feeling weird. No, that's 585 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: that's okay, that's that's cool. 586 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: What about clear out of time. 587 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 11: Exactly? 588 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 14: I mean what's interesting is your outfit is not dissimilar, 589 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 14: but a male version. You've got a black or so 590 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 14: V neck T shirt, black pants, and a black kind 591 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 14: of more dress shoe. 592 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 11: Though, so you're someone who is. 593 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 14: Actually quite meticulous in a way, like actually quite driven. 594 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 14: Quite on top of things, you've got a lace up shoe. 595 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 14: So it's actually a little bit more like uh. 596 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 11: You're like Laura Biding, you know what I mean, like 597 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 11: your Yeah, there's a part of you that is. 598 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 14: You know, quite classically. Your value system is more traditional 599 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 14: than you might let on. Yet you've got the black 600 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 14: V neck T shirt, which is like the renegade. 601 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 11: T shirt as well. 602 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 14: So you're this interesting hybrid of being traditional and then 603 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 14: also being like just when everyone thinks they've got you pegged, 604 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 14: you're like, ah, I'm completely, like you throw people completely 605 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 14: because you have this renegade spirit to you where you 606 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 14: kind of make up the rules as you go. Very 607 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 14: interesting combination of the two qualities makes it a very 608 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 14: good person because you're dependable and reliable, but at the 609 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 14: same time you're fun and free, and not everyone has 610 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 14: those two hybrid qualities, so I like it. 611 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: Wow, interesting the rebels streaking the conservative Ok, yeah, that's interesting. 612 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: The control for it. 613 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you. 614 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 11: There's lace up shoes, they're polished. 615 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 14: I mean what I'm looking at someone who's yeah, like 616 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 14: you're not leaving anything to chance, and yet the years. 617 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 11: In military training. 618 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: I'm so not a shoe person. I mean, my mom's like, 619 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: you know, a meld of Marcos, but I've ever been 620 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: much of a shoe person myself. 621 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 11: So you've got a slightly thicker sole on it. You're 622 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 11: like someone who needs to get things. 623 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: Like a comfortable show. 624 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, Like you're a doer and I'm person. Yeah, and 625 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 11: that makes you. 626 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 14: Feel a bit protected that We see that in the 627 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 14: show as well, like people, you know, when you have 628 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 14: a slightly thicker soul or something like that, it's someone 629 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 14: who is protecting a more sensitive soul, like it's different 630 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 14: spelling and kind of marching through life, like you need 631 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 14: to protect yourself in order to get what you want done, 632 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 14: and that's a way of doing it. Like get You're like, 633 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 14: if someone gives you a job, you are going to 634 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 14: get it done, especially if you give yourself that job. Yeah, 635 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 14: but there's a certain kind of. 636 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 637 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 14: It's like, don't mess with me because there is that 638 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 14: kind of more sensitive side to you as well. 639 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: And do you think that we should change change it 640 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: up at all? 641 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 11: I mean the fact that you're both like head to 642 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 11: toe black and it's kind of like, I don't know. 643 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 11: I was like, is this the fire? It took me 644 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 11: a second to realize. 645 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: That I do wear a lot of black. 646 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, and black is sometimes the uniform of someone. 647 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 14: I mean that, Look, I spent years living in New 648 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 14: York and so my outfit my progressively blacker. And I 649 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 14: was like, I could never find the right black bear 650 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 14: of pants because it's like a black hole in my wardrobe. 651 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 11: So I totally get it. 652 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 14: And it allows you to be like an urban trooper 653 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 14: in some ways as well, Like you know, as I say, 654 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 14: the focus isn't on what you're wearing. You can feel 655 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 14: invisible but still get stuff done. However, when there's an 656 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 14: element where you're hiding parts of yourself or you just 657 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 14: don't want to be seen, you have to look at that, like, 658 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 14: what is that like the oversized. 659 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 11: Black T shirt? 660 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 14: Neither of yours is oversized, I will say, but yours 661 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 14: does have rousing and yours is a little bit looser 662 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 14: is someone It's like the invisibility wardrobe. And sometimes there's 663 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 14: issues with like self image and kind of coming to 664 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 14: love that and not wanting to hide it or make 665 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 14: it look smaller, but to take up more space in 666 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 14: your life would be something that I would suggest. 667 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: Well, this is fascinating. 668 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the show when it starts 669 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: on Thursday on Paramount Plus. 670 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 3: Catherine eismand thank you for seeing. 671 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 14: Us, Thank you for letting. 672 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: Me see Gothic wedding. 673 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: Bye, thank you bye. That was a bit speaking. 674 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: It was start a spot on a different I was expecting, honest, 675 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: all right? 676 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 11: Sure Report On ninety six. 677 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: Air FM, Robbie Williams promises his upcoming Netflix documentary will 678 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: be packed with sex, drugs and mental illness, insisting there's 679 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: no limits when it comes to filming. Robbie has editorial 680 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: control over the content. He says, it'll be warts and all, 681 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: no rules. William says, I'm more likely than most people 682 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: to leave everything in very rarely, if ever, have said 683 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: that's too much, take it off. It's been revealed the 684 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 2: FBI had eyes on Aretha Franklin, Rolling Stones reporting the 685 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: FBI were keeping eyes on the Queen of Soul for 686 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: more than forty years. Franklin's two hundred and seventy page 687 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: FBI file had words and phrases like black extremists, pro communists, 688 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: radical and militant black power inside. 689 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: Franklin's son says. 690 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if my mother was aware that she 691 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: was being targeted and followed, but I do know that 692 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: she had absolutely nothing to hide. A fifth film in 693 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: the American Pie franchise is in the works at Universal Studios. 694 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 2: According to the Hollywood Reporter, work on A Long Room 695 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: at fifth film is now in progress, with the script 696 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: being written by filmmaker Sujata Day and Kim Kardashian's had 697 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: a run in with the US government yesterday. She was 698 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: charged with promoting the cryptocurrency Ethereum max on Instagram without 699 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: disclosing the company was paying her. She's been slugged in 700 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: almost two million dollar fine and was banned from promoting 701 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: any crypto assets for three years. 702 00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 7: There you go. 703 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Ninety six AFM Crazie and Lisa