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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Edge of Change, presented by Nike, a

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Speaker 1: series of conversations with athletes, innovators, and designers who are

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Speaker 1: pushing boundaries, creating ideas, and advancing change for women in sport.

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Speaker 1: Since joining Nike in twenty twenty, Kaylen Kiss has focused

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Speaker 1: on women's apparel, initially working on sports bras and then

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Speaker 1: expanding her scope to include all performance apparel. She leads

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Speaker 1: a team of experts that are combining athlete insights, style,

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Speaker 1: forward designs, and innovative materials to create products that help

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Speaker 1: more people get moving. Kaitln has more than eighteen years

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Speaker 1: of experience in merchandising, innovation, and apparel creation. Whether working

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Speaker 1: on intimates or outerwear, her career has centered on serving

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Speaker 1: women consumers. Originally from Calgary, Alberta, Caitln spends her time

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Speaker 1: outside of Nike practicing hot yoga, cheering on her two

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Speaker 1: children at swim club, and trying to teach her aired

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Speaker 1: al terrier puppy some manners. Haitlan, Welcome to the Female

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to having a chat today. Traditionally

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Speaker 1: we speak to female athletes and kind of hear a

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Speaker 1: little bit about a little bit about their stories. But

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Speaker 1: I think this is an incredible opportunity for people to

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Speaker 1: learn more about a role like yours. And I think

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Speaker 1: looking at women in business in such a high profile

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Speaker 1: role is going to be a really exciting chat. To

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Speaker 1: kick us off, can you tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about how you got to where you are today?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: I am Canadian.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Canada and I have always been

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Speaker 3: interested in apparel. So the creation of apparel and I

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Speaker 3: was able to get my foot in the door at

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Speaker 3: some really interesting Canadian companies. As they went through university,

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Speaker 3: I thought I wanted to be a lawyer. I then

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Speaker 3: changed paths and now here I am. But what has

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Speaker 3: been really interesting is I really honed in on solving

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Speaker 3: problems for athletes and solving problems for movement, and that

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Speaker 3: has taken me to some really interesting places.

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Speaker 1: Can you elaborate a little bit more on that, solving

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Speaker 1: problems for athletes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I think one of the things that's exciting

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Speaker 3: about what I do is we look at people who

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Speaker 3: are moving and things that may be making that more difficult,

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Speaker 3: making that more uncomfortable, making that more hot, making that

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Speaker 2: How we can solve them.

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Speaker 3: I have throughout my career focused predominantly on women's apparel,

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Speaker 3: but have also worked on men's apparel, underwear, bras and

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Speaker 3: solutions for girls as well. And I think, really, if

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Speaker 3: we can remove some of those distractions, it changes how

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Speaker 3: you feel when you're moving.

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Speaker 1: What are the specific areas that you look at when

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Speaker 3: Specific areas look at So number one is bra. So

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Speaker 3: at Nike we like to say no bra, no sport,

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Speaker 3: and are really working on the bra as a piece

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Speaker 3: of equipment. I think for a long time it's been

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Speaker 3: viewed as a piece of apparel and they need that

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Speaker 3: in order to perform their best or feel their best.

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Speaker 3: And so we look at things like sweat management, We

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Speaker 3: look at things like chafing is a really big thing.

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Speaker 2: We look at things like.

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Speaker 3: Acceleration of breast tissue and how do you either decrease

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Speaker 3: that or change how it feels. And then just generally,

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Speaker 3: how do you look, how do you feel, what does

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Speaker 3: it make your body feel like? So that we do

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Speaker 3: a ton of work at Nike and investing in research

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Speaker 1: Specifically, We've seen some pretty interesting research coming out about

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Speaker 1: the number of times that a woman's breasts will bounce

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Speaker 1: during exercise and while running. Do you think across the

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Speaker 1: board that people aren't as educated as they could be

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Speaker 1: it as a piece of equipment rather just apparel.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think that in so many ways, we've just

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Speaker 3: grown to accept what we know, or what we've always felt,

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Speaker 3: breast moved, but how your breast tissue changes throughout your cycle.

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Speaker 2: As well as throughout your workout, throughout.

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Speaker 3: Motion, we know that we can really change that experience

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Speaker 3: doing work on in terms of both the creation of

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Speaker 3: the bra, but also to your point education, how do

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Speaker 3: we communicate that there are other options out there for

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Speaker 1: Can you provide a bit more what you just touched

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the things that we know.

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Speaker 3: So at Nike, we have the Nike Sport Research Lab,

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Speaker 3: There's a huge variety, and we know that throughout people's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite incredible research and I think really cool

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's really exciting, and I think it

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Speaker 3: journeys for people going through pregnancy, going through surgeries, masectomies.

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Speaker 1: We've started to see a lot more coming out, probably

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Speaker 1: and periods. We had a post on our Instagram page

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Speaker 1: But there's such a huge discussion now around apparel and

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely so. We recently launched our leak Protect short,

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Speaker 3: And we really looked at that type of solution as

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Speaker 2: From her mind. I loved the post.

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Speaker 2: It's really a question of how can we.

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Speaker 3: Make remove the barriers to sport that are happening for girls, women,

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Speaker 1: What impact do you think that has on maybe an

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Speaker 3: So I have two girls who are preteen girls, and

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Speaker 3: for that reason. But also having you know, done sports

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Speaker 2: What if I get my period? What if I leak

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Speaker 3: I think there's an element of shame and embarrassment that

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're looking to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that, and it was interesting after It's

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Speaker 3: I was laughing because I'm wearing white jeans today and

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Speaker 3: And even though I'm not on my period, every time

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Speaker 2: It would not be a thing.

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Speaker 3: It would people talk about periods here all the time.

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Speaker 3: We talk about these products all the time. But still

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Speaker 3: So I think just removing that for people and there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool, and I think it's it's getting

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Speaker 1: that balance between providing the apparel and the products that

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Speaker 1: can make people feel like they don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about it, but then also having these conversations simultaneously that

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Speaker 1: if you did like, if it did show it's okay,

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Speaker 1: it's natural. It's a powerful thing for people to see exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I think the thing that Nike's doing around that,

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Speaker 3: around talking about cycle, thinking about even just saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: possibility for you to have in your wardrobe for movement,

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Speaker 3: but not making it wrong, normalizing the conversation. That's something

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Speaker 3: I do at home a lot, because I don't feel

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Speaker 3: period products, and now I think just getting it out

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed with your daughter's any education around that

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Speaker 1: that's not coming from you. Do you think it's improved

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Speaker 3: I think where I see it improving is honestly, there's

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Speaker 3: those are things that we're working to solve, and then

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Speaker 3: the rest of the industry also needs to solve for

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Speaker 3: creating the forum for that movement to happen and making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. To finish us off, I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to touch on I'm so excited being in Australian

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Speaker 3: I think the more coverage that we get in women's sport,

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Speaker 2: I think that, you know, it's a question of representation.

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Speaker 3: Seeing themselves out there doing sport. You know, these are things,

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Speaker 3: These are sports that they're often playing at, you know,

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Speaker 3: the little league level, and being able to see it

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Speaker 3: on the world stage with all those fans is really powerful.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm excited about the momentum and I think

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Speaker 3: I think projects like yours are really a part of that.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's awesome, great, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've really really loved having a chat with you today.

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Speaker 1: I think it's there's some really powerful themes in there

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Speaker 1: and some very timely themes. These these conversations are really

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Speaker 1: starting to come to the forefront about people needing to

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Speaker 1: feel safe and comfortable while they exercise and while they move,

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Speaker 1: and it's such a huge barrier for so many people.

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Speaker 1: So I think the more work that can be done,

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Speaker 1: and obviously the research that you guys are doing is

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Speaker 1: really powerful to help remove some of those barriers. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time today. I really

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: You're so welcome, Chloe. It's so nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: You're doing amazing things.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Thanks so

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