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Speaker 2: It's a festive season when you turn on the telling

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Speaker 2: that in a podcast. Welcome aboard, and we are starting

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Speaker 2: with Peter Bowl, Georgie. Where else are we going to

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Speaker 2: start but Peter Bowl. Let's find out what the legend

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Speaker 1: You've gone through some dark times.

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Speaker 4: Talk about what that was like for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very tough times and thankfully we got through it.

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Speaker 1: If there was a resilience ometer that existed and that

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Speaker 2: I genuinely have goosebumps because if it's possible to have

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Speaker 1: And there is big promise, yes, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Then, firstly, the context of this is that that was

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Speaker 3: He is back to being the Golden Boy.

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Speaker 2: And we touched on the story George to the fact

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Speaker 1: Wild for an athlete of his caliber to be labeled

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Speaker 1: Oh tell me, I remember when we were doing this

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Speaker 2: But no, Meg Lanning sending some of you bears, We're

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Speaker 2: She's given us everything for the better part of thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of concerned Netball Australia, it is going from bad

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Speaker 1: The house is on fire, the driveway is on fire.

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Speaker 1: It's blown up. It has blown up because net for Australia.

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Speaker 2: To this point, there is still no agreement, still no agreement,

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Speaker 2: And Georgie, you do what makes that even more uncomfortable?

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Speaker 2: An awards night where everyone is to gather and celebrate.

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Speaker 4: About a dozen super NETBWK players boycotted Netble Australia's annual

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Speaker 4: of the ceremony with Courtney Bruce winning the Liz Ellis

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Speaker 1: A legal letter to get you off the couch and

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Speaker 1: get you to that awards night. How fun, What a

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Speaker 3: My sources tell me.

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Speaker 2: And I love people that start sentences that way. So

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Speaker 3: Because Corney Bruce deserves to be celebrated.

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Speaker 2: But if netball Australia is in crisis, it is May

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Speaker 2: The flags out, the white flag, surrender start again.

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Speaker 1: So, dear listener, where we left our deep dive on

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Speaker 2: And Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan had said, I'm not quitting,

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Speaker 2: that's right. I'm showing my children that I don't quit.

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Speaker 3: But we're calling and saying you owas.

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Speaker 1: A million dollars.

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Speaker 2: A nine hundred thousand is the gap between what we

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Speaker 3: We're in a little bit of strife. So if you

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Speaker 1: If you can just hurry up. Yep, thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: We would love rugby in Australia to do well. God,

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Speaker 1: Out come on, because you just think when you think that,

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Speaker 2: And when you think that there's not more headlines to come,

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Speaker 3: Oh Swimming Australia. Did we get expelled? Did we not?

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Speaker 2: We've got the follow up and Lewis Ruby as so

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Speaker 3: Georgie.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that we are almost at the end

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Speaker 1: I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 3: It's outrageous.

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Speaker 1: It feels both the longest year of my life and

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Speaker 2: So next year would be twenty twenty four, which I mean,

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Speaker 1: Definitely egg on their face.

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Speaker 2: Because the Andrews government now led by Victorian Premier de

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Speaker 1: Yes, the lemon, that's right, that's what you called it.

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Speaker 2: Lemon of six maybe seven billion dollars. We thought, well,

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Speaker 1: Costing is costing Because we didn't have all of the

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Speaker 1: according to the then premiere, Daniel Andrews. But tell me

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Speaker 2: Well, we know there was the bill that we owed

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Speaker 2: the police seven million dollars.

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Speaker 2: According to a twenty twenty six Cornwealth Games Organizing Committees

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Speaker 1: What that looks like. So a report that was released

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Speaker 1: a year to decipher how they were going to make

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Speaker 2: So Shadow Sports Minister Sam Groth i e the giant

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Speaker 3: If you're wondering where that name is coming from.

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Speaker 3: Six hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not seven billion.

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Speaker 2: At least would have had something, George, We would have

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Speaker 1: It and met Tom tap meyor Tom Tay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mayor has no power.

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Speaker 2: That's Sue is saying absolutely not on our own persus

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Speaker 3: Gena Reinhart, yes, this is this.

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Speaker 1: Is this is fresh fresh information. Is that Gena Reinhart

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Speaker 1: Have I completely made that up?

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Speaker 2: Do we think Dan thought to call Gina and say, babe,

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Speaker 2: you've got six maybe seven billion dollars?

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Speaker 3: Potently he should have put in a phone call.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know when this is going to be resolved,

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Speaker 2: You know what, episode one of Two Good Sports. Next

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Speaker 2: But we need to get going because when you think

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Speaker 1: That's right. Wonderful news Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: We didn't get.

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Speaker 1: Expelled, Yes, we didn't get expelled from the world A

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Speaker 1: But I'm patting ourselves on the back here until we

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Speaker 1: the world chance. Pardon sorry, what and what would be

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Speaker 1: So close, And the reason that we were threatened with

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Speaker 1: They wanted a diversification of the board, they wanted a

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Speaker 2: And it felt like the swimmers were like, oh, thank god, yeah,

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Speaker 2: can someone please govern our governance because this is getting

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Speaker 3: It changed over.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so we do have more voices now on the board,

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Speaker 2: You can draw comparisons between what happened at Swimming Australia

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the that's the big difference with different carra

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. All on fire in the pool, all.

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Speaker 3: Good, also on fire, but on fire.

446
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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm an idiot. That was so right. On fire

447
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Speaker 1: in a good way, in.

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Speaker 3: A good way, on fire. The Matilda.

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Speaker 2: Matilda's you know what, I love that this is where

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Speaker 2: we've chosen to finish. Yeah, not that the headline says

451
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Speaker 2: the matildas it says Lewis Roubialees. But I'm going to

452
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Speaker 2: talk about the Matilda's and the fact that they are

453
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Speaker 2: for lygging and sold out eleven consecutive stadiums in Australia.

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Speaker 2: So where we last left you was after the World Cup,

455
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Speaker 2: where we were on the highest of highs.

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Speaker 3: They then had Olympic qualifiers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, one, all of those one all of those smashed.

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Speaker 2: Them in incredible fashion, one of those at a sold

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Speaker 2: out Perth stadium. Yes, in front of near on sixty

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Speaker 2: thousand people, and it just fills your heart with joy.

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Speaker 1: And it goes to show, once again, patting ourselves on

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Speaker 1: the back, that we were right responsible. We're responsible for

463
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Speaker 1: the Matildas, but we're also we were right in saying

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Speaker 1: that the Matilda's effect had completely changed sport in this

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Speaker 1: country forever. And we have started to see that because

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Speaker 1: there will not be your time when the Matilda's are playing,

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Speaker 1: that people won't know about it and people won't want

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Speaker 1: to be there because they will just continue selling out stadiums.

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Speaker 2: And Mary Fowler is dating Nathan Cleary, who broke your heart, which.

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Speaker 1: I still have not come to terms with this. My

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Speaker 1: Mary with Nathan Cleary who just ripped out my heart,

472
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Speaker 1: stomped on it, then put it through a shredder, and

473
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Speaker 1: then said, hey, you still work.

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Speaker 2: But we do need to talk about Lewis Rivialis because

475
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Speaker 2: he was one of our major deep diyes, because we

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Speaker 2: all remember the uncomfortable kiss with Jenny Emoso and just

477
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Speaker 2: going what's happening here? And we saw the Spanish football

478
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Speaker 2: federation completely implode upon itself.

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Speaker 1: Yes we did. We did, remember, dear listener, the scenes

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Speaker 1: of Spain winning the World Cup with that incredible team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was so unfortunate that so much of the commentary

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Speaker 1: was stolen by Lewis Rubalis and everything that happened with

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Speaker 1: him in the aftermath of that tournament, because when you

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Speaker 1: actually do just sit in isolation and look at that

485
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Speaker 1: team and what they did to England in that final, and.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they were all young, because so many

487
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Speaker 2: of the players had to revolt against the coach to

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Speaker 2: even be on that stage at a World Cup. If

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Speaker 2: it was a movie, remove the Lewis roubales and it

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Speaker 2: is worthy of that plotline.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but my god, did it just monster world football?

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Speaker 3: It did?

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Speaker 1: It did, and a lot and for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I remember we talked about it in the Deep Dive.

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Speaker 1: There was this perception that ultimately the kiss was a

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Speaker 1: good thing because it had people talking about a in

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Speaker 1: world football. It shone the light on the marchoism that

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Speaker 1: exists in Spanish football in particular, and it said, hang

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Speaker 1: on a second, we're not okay with that. This isn't good.

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Speaker 1: And to see that team and what it represents in

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Speaker 1: that nation and how it made a social movement happen

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Speaker 1: as well and made that possible was really quite crazy

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Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 2: Do what I wish that we checked before this so

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Speaker 2: that we could follow up. How's Luis Rubialez's mum going?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? Her son has since been banned from

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Speaker 2: football related activities for three years. So basically Spanish football

508
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Speaker 2: refused to stand the man down. Yeah, and Louis Roubalez

509
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Speaker 2: has gone, well, FIFA have said you need to get

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Speaker 2: in the corner for three years.

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Speaker 3: Is she still in the church?

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Speaker 1: Is she still?

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Speaker 3: Is she?

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Speaker 2: Is she still proclaiming her son's innocence?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And on that hunger strike, remember that, like, honestly, the

517
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Speaker 1: story was wild wild. She was upset that her son

518
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Speaker 1: had been being called out for being slightly sex system

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Speaker 1: misogynistic and for his assault that happened in front of

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Speaker 1: the entire world and was like, oh, hang on, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going to go on a hunger strike because it's

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Speaker 1: really just too much for me.

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Speaker 3: So to recap.

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Speaker 2: Jenny Himoso was able to get a restraining order, Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was in September, for the fact that Rubiales cannot

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Speaker 2: come within two hundred meters of her.

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Speaker 3: The World Football.

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Speaker 2: Society wrapped their arms around her. Yes, and Rubiales is

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Speaker 2: banned for three years. I would think given the band

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Speaker 2: from FIFA, he is untouchable after that time, and do

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Speaker 2: as in I think he will not come back into football.

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Speaker 1: I disagree completely. I think that this three years is

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Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist. I think he would walk

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Speaker 1: back into certain football teams, maybe even the Spanish football team.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it as being a lashing impact. I

536
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Speaker 1: don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I don't see the world of cancel culture.

538
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Cancel culture is so fickle. No, I do not think so.

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00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: He has such gravitas in the game that I hope,

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Speaker 1: I hope that he doesn't just get a chance to

541
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Speaker 1: walk back in. But I can see him walking back

542
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Speaker 1: in in a very high paid job behind the scenes,

543
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: not necessarily a front forward, public facing role so much

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Speaker 1: as he was. But I can totally see him back

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Speaker 1: in that administration.

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Speaker 2: I hear how you might see that now, But think

547
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: about the progress we've seen women's sport in three years,

548
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Imagine the progress in another three I.

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Speaker 1: Can only hope that that happens. Right now, I'm a pessimist.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned for the follow up in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, though, what was your favorite moment of the

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00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: entire year? Do you think your favorite sporting moment? I mean, okay, look,

553
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: let's be honest, dear listener, We're both going to say

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: the Matilda's They were our favorite. We love them so much.

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Speaker 1: Just what they have done for sport in general, male

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00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: female sport has been exceptional. But apart from them, what

557
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Speaker 1: have you loved?

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Speaker 3: Listening to Peter Bowl just now made me happy?

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00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: If we're talking about topics that we've covered, I think

560
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: seeing someone that was innocent exonerated and then to see

561
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Speaker 2: the power of that person to go this has given

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Speaker 2: me mental strengths I didn't have before. I'm ready. I

563
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: just think there's so much to be said there for

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Speaker 2: role models. Yeah, I think it's an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: You Broncos, my Broncos. Even though we lost, broke you.

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Speaker 1: They did. They did break me in that NRL Grand

567
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: Final where you know, there literally had to be a

568
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: historic comeback, the biggest comeback in Grand Final history to

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Speaker 1: beat us, and they managed it, the Panthers. But the

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Speaker 1: excitement that they gave me throughout the year, the love

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Speaker 1: that they re installed in me for rugby league and

572
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that team, and just the anticipation that I now have

573
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Speaker 1: for next season as well to see how they do.

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Speaker 1: It's been my favorite moment, hands down.

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Speaker 2: One more the story arc of the Australian cricket team

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Speaker 2: getting that One day World Cup win, in the fact

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Speaker 2: that everyone was throwing rock saying we haven't prepared properly,

578
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: they've played too much cricket, we're going nowhere. Glenn Maxwell

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Speaker 2: going full Salmon and giving us one of the greatest

580
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Speaker 2: innings that we will ever see.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest innings that.

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Speaker 2: He was paralyzed and yet didn't have to run because

583
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: he seemed to just find the rope a double ton.

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Speaker 3: It's obscene.

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Speaker 1: You're right to be India, oh God, in India. That

586
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: was very special. The year of the World Cups is

587
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: coming to a close. So many, so many, but don't worry.

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00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four is pretty chill. On the other Olympics.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: Tell me. Yeah, it's time for another Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking hello. It is she, It is she. It's

592
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: a good thing.

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00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: This is coming to an end because you're not getting

594
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: crazier as it goes on.

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00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: We need to regroup. But how are you calling about

596
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Speaker 3: a fun fat? I am calling.

597
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: About a fun fat and I have some details if

598
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: you've got some time, if you'd like to listen.

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Speaker 3: To the always dull hash.

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Speaker 1: We are finishing the year of two good sports with

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Speaker 1: a fun fact which really does actually tie in nicely

602
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Speaker 1: to how this year started from a sporting sense, because

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Speaker 1: Novak Djokovic won the Australian Open if you go all

604
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Speaker 1: those months back to January this year, but the Joker

605
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: has won a record seventh ATP Finals title as of

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Speaker 1: last week, meaning that once again fun fact, he is

607
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: ahead of Roger Federer, which just I mean, stabbed me

608
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: in the eye makes me sad.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that Djokovic is victim of the Nadal

610
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Speaker 2: Federer attacks? Yes, as in you cannot be viewed in

611
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: the hero light because that spot.

612
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Is taken one hundred percent. He's a victim of that.

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Speaker 1: He's also a victim of his own personality.

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00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: Valid both, But I also just think like Djokovic beating

615
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Federer feels like when Bambi mum got shot.

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00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Honestly, again and again.

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Speaker 3: It keeps happening.

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00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: You go, I know that this is the circle of life.

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Speaker 2: I know that things will be fine. Records are there

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Speaker 2: to be broken, but leave them alone.

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Speaker 1: But give us the record for a hot second, just

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Speaker 1: a hot second.

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Speaker 3: I mean feder is off being serenaded by Boticelli.

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're right, he's still well, this little little

625
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: RF little logo.

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh and sponsoring pasta, which makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: That makes absolutely no sense. Your Swiss babe, you're swist,

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00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: but it's the.

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Speaker 2: Chocolate rog But we are excited about the fact that

630
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Speaker 2: Jokovic is going to be back in Australia. We're excited

631
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: for the summer of tennis. But he is arguably the

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00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: greatest of all time. He now has to say that

633
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: he's the greatest.

634
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: Ninety eight singles titles overall on that men's.

635
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: And he's not slowing down.

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00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: No, no, he has spent four hundred weeks as world

637
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: number one over the course of his career. That's ninety

638
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: weeks more than Federer, which again, why is dead?

639
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: You don't need to qualify who beat? We get it.

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00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's already dead.

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00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 3: We get it.

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00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: We get a Novak.

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Speaker 3: You're good.

644
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: You're good?

645
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: Are we good?

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00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well we're really good. We two good sports.

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's it for us for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: We have genuinely loved this. It's been the highlight of

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Speaker 2: our week.

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really has.

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Speaker 3: Sorry for me. We'd love your feedback. Yeah.

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00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Please, if you're listening on Apple podcasts, leave us a

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00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: review if it's a positive one. If you have some

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00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: constructive criticism, slide into our dms, don't leave it in

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00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: a review, chop tip fun fact or.

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Speaker 3: Just write it on a piece of paper and then

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Speaker 3: in the pin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah actually right, that's better. All negative reviews CC to

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Speaker 1: a rubbish bin near you.

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Speaker 3: We've genuinely had a great time. We do want your feedback.

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Speaker 2: And as always, have an amazing safe holiday period. Big

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Speaker 2: good sport be good sport, become